posted October 20, 2009 06:19 AM            

My Atlantis itself is at

13 Taurus

Sphinx is at 13 Cancer
Stargazer at 13 Cancer
Aphrodite at 13 Cancer
Conjunct the Star System Sirius at 14 Cancer
Anubis 14 Cap
Angel 11 Virgo
Valentine 12 Virgo
NN at 16 Virgo
Circe 12 Cap
Osiris 12 Pisces
Aten is 14 Pisces
Astronomia 12 Sag

Curiously next to biblical times, the most significant era for the "life readings" was a pre-dynastic Egyptian civilization consisting of Atlantean refugees. Cayce purported to have been an otherwise unknown pharoah named "Ra Ta" who built a spiritually-based healing center (the "Temple of Sacrifice") and educational institution (the "Temple Beautiful"). His diagnostic readings and narratives about the past and future were supposed to be a continuation of his ancient work. This civilization also built monuments on the Giza plateau, including the Great Pyramid, and left records of Atlantis in a "hall of records" located somewhere beneath the Sphinx. These readings bear a close resemblance to books by AMORC founder H. Spencer Lewis.

Sabian for 13 Taurus:
On The Beach, Children Play While Shellfish Grope At The Edge Of The Water

Curious enough I just checked my transits:

My natal Sphinx conjunctions at 13 Cancer are being tranisited by Atlantis and Sphinx at 9 and 11 degrees Cancer right now and this is being trined by Karma as it moves into place at 10 Scorpio. and none these energies are full on yet..

posted October 20, 2009 06:41 AM            

In my own case:
ATLANTIS conj SEKHMET conj PALLAS conj FORTUNA conj ABUNDANTIA conj PSYCHE in a 5 degree stellium, with 4 objects within 1 degree. Approx 8 Virgo.

Sabian of 8-9 Virgo: "An expressionist painter making a futuristic drawing"

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posted October 20, 2009 07:27 AM            

Thats curious IQ, I knew my Ascendant was at 8 Virgo, but you know my Aura/Sekhmet oppose that.

This explains alot of about your energy Tameem. Sekhmet was a Solar Diety as well and an aspect of Bast and Hathor, but consider more powerful because Lower Egypt was conquered by Upper Egypt. And we know who worshipped Bast.

The Pallas shows the brilliance of your mind in seeing patterns and re-Membering your Atlantis lifeline...this access comes naturally, Psyche shows you have always had some form of recollection...interesting thoughts having had to grow up in family and traditions that you were in.....but Foturna and Abudantia certainly show the good aspects you will and always have reaped by overcoming the guilt associated with it and exploring these lifelines.

There is a certain assertiveness and independence in your Aura, especially when dealing with matters of the Divine Feminine. I bet it comes from your connection to this Goddess, or at least the qualities were learned through an association with Warrioress Archetype she represents.

posted October 20, 2009 09:01 AM              

well as me and John had one or more pastlifelines in Egypth,i though it might b interesting to look at Atlantis.

so we were astronomers at that time,with the possibility of having studied also the Tantra...yup.

let+s see what comes up with Atlantis,joined with the Egypthian theme:

Atlantis is at 26 Leo (cj ALphard Star)

"DAYBREAK - THE LUMINESCENCE OF DAWN IN THE EASTERN SKY"

conjuncts Venus
Squares Moon
Trine Neptune and Tutenkhamon
sextile my NN and ISIS
sextile my DNA and AKHASHI
sextile Spinkx/Amenhotep
SQAURE Alma
Kikx my Nepthrys

jOHN

ATLANTIS AT 6 Cancer (cj MIRZAN Star)

"TWO FAIRIES (NATURE SPIRITS) DANCING ON A MOONLIT NIGHT"

conjuncts his NN
squares his Sun
sextiles his KARMA/ANGEL/DNA! and Athen
wide trine his Aura and AKHASHI(6º)
Opose his Iris/Osiris and aigypthios
Square his Anubis and Kleopatra
Kikx Amenhotep

MY DRACONIC ATLANTIS 5 GEM

"WORKMEN DRILLING FOR OIL"

J´S DRACONIC ATLANTIS 26 PISCES

"A NEW MOON REVEALS THAT IT'S TIME FOR PEOPLE TO GO AHEAD WITH THEIR DIFFERENT PROJECTS"

posted October 20, 2009 09:24 AM            

in my case, yes, I feel there is a link to Sumerian times. Of course that is only based on my feelings.

IQ,

"You could have been a Spiritual Being"
But aren`t we all spiritual beings?

"You may have taken part in the breeding/hybridization program as well."
What astrological sign / aspect / placement indicates this?

"I find that ex-Atlanteans may also have very potent and meaningful Asteroid Stelliums around Asteroid Atlantis."
Let`s see, I actually have an asteroid stellium around Atlantis consisting of:
Angel
Lust
Wisdom
Polyhymnia
Beatles
Ireland
Poseidon

Do you think my Atlantean life had something to do with music?

PA,

interesting about Vesta.
My Vesta is conjunct Stonehenge and Chaldaea.

posted October 20, 2009 10:27 AM            

thank you for that wealth of information you posted."

DD,

You're welcome

I think that it helps to get both sides of the belief of Atlantis - the mystical,nonlinear view and the critical,linear view. That's me with my Saturn oppose/contraparallel Neptune)

There is a possibility of translation errors that led to the current beliefs of Atlantis.

I was wondering if you could give me some insight about my Atlantean aspects

in my chart:

Atlantis in 12'18 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Astraea (the 5th asteroid discovered,named after the Greek Goddess of Justice) in 12'10 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Mesopotamia in 11'34 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct DNA in 11'10 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Aesculapia (named after the Greek God of Medicine,son of Apollo) in 12'30 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Apollo (named after the God of Light,Healing,Prophecy,Archery) in 12'47 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Nereus (Greek predecessor of Poseidon as supreme deity of the waters,father of Nereids)in 13'33 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Geocentric South Uranus Node in 12'04 Sagittarius in 4th
oppose/conjunct Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius
trine Eris (diversity,equality) in 12'15 Aries R in 8th
trine Isis in 13'08 Aries R in 8th
trine Chiron (healer,teacher) in 10'32 Aries R in 8th
trine Thetis (a Nereid,mother of Achilles) in 12'18 Leo in 12th
trine Ceres in 13'57 Leo in 12th
trine/sextile Heliocentric Neptune Nodes in 11'28 Leo/Aquarius in 12th and 6th (collective karma involving idealism,inspiration)
square Haumea in 11'17 Virgo in 1st
square Vibhuti in 11'16 Virgo in 1st
square
square Hippokrates (named after the physician) in 13'11 Pisces in 7th
square Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces
sextile Astronomia in 11'01 Libra in 2nd
sextile Poseidon (named after Greek supreme deity of the waters) in 12'42 Aquarius in 6th
sextile/trine Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius in 6th and 12th

so Atlantean pastlives as a health practitioner that cares for and nurture others(Apollo,Aesculapia,Hippokrates,Chiron,Ceres) and astronomer/astrologer (Astronomia,Vibhuti) that dealt significantly with the justice system (Astraea) engaged with diversity,equality matters(Eris). I might have been strongly involved with the occult,magick (Vibhuti,Isis). My Atlantean pastlife probably had strong connections with Mesopotamia.

I am not sure about the Atlantis conjunction to Nereus in 4th,trine to Thetis in 12th,and sextile Poseidon in 6th. Could that be being involved in being a sailor. Could I actually drowned during the sinking of Atlantis?
I was in the navy in my present life too,and so worked and lived on the waters.

I am not sure about the Atlantean square to Haumea which is exactly conjunct my Vibhuti and almost exactly square my Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis. Haumea is a transneptunian dwarf planet named after Hawaiian goddess, and so maybe connections to Hawaiians.

It has the following keywords which might give clues to my pastlives.

Positive: Soulful confidence, an unshakeable personal inner knowing, creative, regenerative. Able to reconstruct, redefine, transform, especially regarding consciousness, willfulness and restoring rock solid integrity. Supportive. Fostering. Fertile. Creative.

Negative : Insecure and attention demanding. Dramatic. Egocentric. A bully disposition. Forces head-on collisions. Claims martyrdom and sacrifice to secure attention. Willing to attach to someone else’s momentum or allowing dependent sorts to attach to one’s efforts for self benefit (using non-paid volunteers, fans, devotees).

Mundane: Self awareness programs. Portraits and or caricatures. “Spin” as in political or media framing of events. Affinity or family bonds with those similar in nature. The Hula. The big island of Hawaii. Storm warnings to sailors in form or rainbow. Lava cooling in the sea to make land. Creation, fertility, childbirth and sisterhood. Verbal affirmations. Body sacrifice. Entourages. Groupies.

especially the aspects to the Midheaven/Imum Coeli makes it very personal

aspects to nodes very karmic:
lunar nodes (past/present emotional connections)
heliocentric Neptune Nodes (collective past/present mystical,idealistic connections)
geocentric South Uranus Node (collective past independent,innovative connections)

information on Vibhuti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibhuti

Vibhuti can refer to glorious attributes of the divine, and in this context is translated as 'all pervading', 'superhuman power', 'wealth' and so on.

Vibhuti (powers) can refer to paranormal powers that some believe can be developed by yoga practices.
Vibhuti Pada

Patanjali in the Vibhuti Pada of the Yoga Sutras, mentions many different vibhutis:

* Knowledge of the past and future
* Understanding the sounds (language) of all beings
* Knowledge of previous existences
* Knowing the minds of others
* Invisibility
* Suspending the ability of the body to be heard, touched, tasted, or smelled
* Foreknowledge of the time of death
* Strength of any attitude (such as friendliness)
* Super strength (such as the strength of an elephant)
* Knowledge of subtle, hidden, remote things
* Knowledge of worlds, realms, universes, etc.
* Knowledge of the arrangement of stars, planets, etc.
* Knowledge of the movement of stars, planets, etc.
* Knowledge of the arrangement of systems in the body
* Freedom from hunger and thirst
* Attainment of steadiness or immobility
* Visions of Siddhas (perfected beings)
* Knowledge of anything and everything
* Knowledge of the mind
* Knowledge of pure consciousness (purusha)
* Psychic hearing, touch, vision, taste, and smell
* Entering and controlling the bodies of others
* Ability to float or walk on water, swamps, thorns, and other such objects
* Ability to glow or radiate light around the body
* Super hearing (hearing at vast distances)
* Ability to fly
* Mastery over the elements (earth, water, fire, air, space)
* Making the body atomically small, indestructible, perfect
* Perfection of the body in beauty, strength, grace, and brilliance
* Mastery over the senses
* Quickness of the mind, perception with the senses
* Supremacy over all states of existence, omnipotence
* Higher knowledge
* Discriminating knowledge
* Absolute freedom (kaivalyam)

Would Isis-Eris in Aries in 8th,Thetis-Ceres in Leo in 12th,Atlantis in Sagittarius in 4th Fire Grand Trine suggest independent female pastlives in Atlantis, especially with their connection to my Midheaven/Imum Coeli and Lunar Nodes?

conjunct
Beta Draco,Rastaban (Alwaid) in 11'33 Sagittarius
(Impulsive, honourable, good for astrology, government, writing, sports, finance, the arts, accidents, wounds, blindness, criminality)
Unfortunate Saturn/ Mars/ Jupiter

Influences: According to Ptolemy the bright stars are like Saturn and Mars. Draco gives an artistic and emotional but somber nature, a penetrating and analytical mind, much travel and many friends but danger of robbery and of accidental poisoning. It was said by the Ancients that when a comet was here poison was scattered over the world. By the Kabalists it is associated with the Hebrew letter Mem and the 13th Tarot Trump "Death." [Robson*, p.43.]

so more emphasis on being an Atlantean astrologer? Involved in the Atlantean government in the past?
also the Draco influence is penetrating and analytical,and that could fit with the critical thinking in regards to Atlantis and other things connected to it.

I also have conjunctions to a galactic anomaly with my Atlantis, almost exact conjunction to my Imum Coeli and DNA

SGR 1627-41 is in 11'17 Sagittarius
(soft gamma ray repeater......only 5 found)
Also, periodically things in deep space blast us with repeating gamma rays. These bodies called Soft Gamma Ray repeaters (SGR’s not to be confused with the astronomers designation for Sagittarius) shower people with the urge to conjure up transformational events by deriving meaning from the events occurring around us. The essence of understanding occurs when a person realizes how to adjust their energy with what surrounds the body, thus creating a state of alignment. It’s a bit like watching a lizard change color to fit in with its surroundings. The most recent burst lasted 1.8 seconds and reached our sensors on April 6th. Why bother with something so short in length? These bursts can knock out satellites, disrupt cell phones and re-tweak any electromagnetic sensitive device - like a person’s chakra system for instance. www.mayanmajix.com/art2425.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGR_1627-41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_gamma_repeater

Raymond

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posted October 20, 2009 11:14 AM            

in my case, yes, I feel there is a link to Sumerian times. Of course that is only based on my feelings."

DD,

That could be the case.
I have that Atlantis-Mesopotamia-DNA-Imum Coeli conjunction in Sagittarius in 4th house

I was looking up stuff about any connections between Atlantis and Mesopotamia

I found the following:

Soon after I put this page together, in 2005, I started wondering about a possible connection between Atlantis and the Middle East civilizations. I didn't have time back then, but each time I read anything related to Mesopotamia or some of the Persian Empire civilizations, I end up wondering again.

By approaching Atlantis from this angle, we accept that Plato had in mind a story of an ancient but great civilization for its time, something as fascinating as Homer's Troy. We also accept that Atlantis is a story based on real events, but enriched for deeper philosophical reasons. While many would argue that this is not the Atlantis we search for, my opinion differs; given that many of the theories listed before have ignored most of Plato's writing, and also given the fact that no Atlantis found in the future would ever be what Plato has described, our theories are as close to the truth as all the other ones.

According to my research no one has investigated this idea before. For me, it's the most obvious and I prefer it to all the others. To be honest, after investigating the Mesopotamia's history and re-reading Plato and some of the ancient Greek texts, I reached my final conclusion: Atlantis is Mesopotamia.
http://atlantis.haktanir.org/ch14.html

I don't know what to think. I don't really agree with him, but he has his own views. They might not be so farfetched, especially if we consider the views of channelers and people that believe in alien civilizations that created us.

Raymond

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posted October 20, 2009 11:25 AM              

IQ talked about Atlantis when we were discussing about Mesopotamia/sumerian Past life lines....:

"Hi Diandra,
Saw your Sumerian synastry post just now.
When there is a link to the Ascendant, it is very important. When Draco Asc also links, take that as confirmation.
Experienced earth souls would have had lifelines in Ancient Sumeria, Egypt, CHina, India for sure, some may have even incarnated in South/Central America and Africa. These souls later on expereince the Medieiavl/Renaissance time, and then later 19th century followed by the modern lifeline to play out the Atlantis Karma."

posted October 20, 2009 11:26 AM            

"think that it helps to get both sides of the belief of Atlantis - the mystical,nonlinear view and the critical,linear view."
It definitely makes sense to view both sides of the story. I agree.

Interestingly your atlantis is not only near to mine (4 degree, too wide for a conjunction, but still close enough to be interesting), but my atlantis also aspects some of the asteroids yours does, too.

My Atlantis squares Ceres
conjunct ASC
conjunct Poseidon
conjunct NN
semisextile Isis

" was wondering if you could give me some insight about my Atlantean aspects"
I would like to. But you have done a brilliant job yourself here.

Atlantis - DNA - Mesopotamia:
I think that indicates this tight connection between Atlantis and Mesopotamia, maybe these were two incarnations of you after each other?
I have myself the feeling that Mesopotamia and Atlantis are tightly intervowen, even thouhg I haven`t found "proof" in my chart yet. Well Draco Ur and Draco Moon is opposing my Atlantis, maybe that would be a sign.

DNA seems to indicate either a past life or anchestry that stem from Atlantis (if we assume Atlantis existed, as I do, well most of the times, when I don`t think I am fantasizing ).

Atlantis-Astraea and also Atlantis - Eris points towwards justice, yes. I would think so.

Atlantis-Aesculapia-Apollo- Chiron - Hippokrates - Ceres
That is a VERY strong theme of healing and nurturing here. Maybe you have been a healer in Atlantis?

Atlantis- Nereus - Thetis- NeptuneNodes - Poseidon
Now I have a similiar theme with Atlantis aspecting Neptune, Poseidon, Varuna.
I think it definitely points at "water", which fits Atlantis pretty well. Were we there when the continent sank, is that why the water-asteroids and planets are so strong?
Or does it mean that both of us were involved in things that were connected to the sea, maybe as sailors?
Where is your Sindbad btw?

Astronomia would of course point at astrology, but then it is a sextile. Are sextiles, even if they are exact, that strong? I am open for this, still researching it actually.

Also, the connection to both main axises and the nodal axis seems to "anchor" this into your present life. Maybe it was a very important or eventful pastlife that has consequences up to today?

Atlantis also falls into your 4th house, which relates to your heritage or past or soul-home, too. Maybe another indication towards a past life there.

Thanks for the info on Vibhuti. I never heard of it before.
I just checked and it is exactly conjunct my Juno, exactly trine my Saturn and squares my Karma and exactly conjuncts my Draco Valentine.

posted October 20, 2009 11:27 AM            

I just realized I also have a Grand trine involving Atlantis.

Atlantis on 8°15 Sagittarius in 1st house (with all the other asteroids around it).

Hypnos on 6°08 Leo R in 8th / 9th house

posted October 20, 2009 11:55 AM            

Glaucus has this huge Stellium around 12 Sag and his ATlantis.
VIG has her Atlantis on 11 Pisces, where PA has her True Node and I have my chartruler and Glaucus has his DESC.
ORBM has Osiris there opposing Angel, Valentine and his Atlantis is on 13 degree (just in Taurus this time).
Dolphin also has Atlantis on 13 degree (Virgo).

I would almost feel left out, since my Atlantis doesn`t fall into these degrees, but it is 8 degree Sag, squaring IQ`s Atlantis on 8 Virgo, and as you can well see, these degrees also pop up frequently.

Diandra,
I wonder do you have anything on appr. 8 - 13 degree in any sign? I mean even your John falls into this here.

I also wonder: where is LARA?

EDIT:

Diandra,

I personally feel that there is an interconnection between Atlantis and Mesopotamia, Egypt and Stonehenge or Avalon (okay, Glastonbury).
But that is just my feeling and could just be true in relation to me. So very subjective.

OOPs, how could i not see this? My ATlantis exactly squares Ishtar.

posted October 20, 2009 12:35 PM              

personally, though i am just going to look at more, i have

atlantis at 8-9 leo
conj juno and angel
conj DNA (11+*)
opposite eros and psyche

sphinx is at 17 cap
(grandtrine w/my n venus/sumeria and karma)

trine eris at 7 aries

the sabian for my atlantis..
(The need to involve one's most spiritual and vital energies in the creative act' if it is to produce significant and beautiful new forms.)

posted October 20, 2009 12:43 PM            

yeah..looks like it , a strong healing theme

"Now I have a similiar theme with Atlantis aspecting Neptune, Poseidon, Varuna.
I think it definitely points at "water", which fits Atlantis pretty well. Were we there when the continent sank, is that why the water-asteroids and planets are so strong?" That's what I was thinking. That's why I said that I wonder if I drowned when the continent sank.

"Or does it mean that both of us were involved in things that were connected to the sea, maybe as sailors?"
Where is your Sindbad btw?

I have a conjunction of
Sinbad in 28'37 Leo
Amphitrite (Greek Supreme queen of the waters,wife of Poseidon) in 26'27 Leo in 12th

in opposition to Mars in 25'54 Aquarius in 6th
in sextile to Glaukos in 26'04 Libra in 2nd

also could the sea deity asteroids be like Neptune in regards to mystical,psychic matters?
I read that they were involved in the psychic arts. The fisherman turned seagod, Glaucus was taught the art of prophecy. I chose the nickname,Glaucus because of my strong Neptune/Piscean influence.

"Astronomia would of course point at astrology, but then it is a sextile. Are sextiles, even if they are exact, that strong? I am open for this, still researching it actually."

good point, but my Astronomia is closely oppose Chiron, trine the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis and trine/sextile Lunar Nodes. Atlantis-DNA-Apollo-Aesculapia are tied into that. so is Poseidon

What about my Atlantis-Mesopotamia-DNA-Imum Coeli

trine Africa in 11'15 Aries R in 8th
trine Africano in 12'38 Aries R in 8th?

As an Atlantean, I was involved with Africans?

especially considering this:
"In Plato's account, Atlantis, lying "beyond the pillars of Heracles", was a naval power that conquered many parts of Western Europe and Africa 9,000 years before the time of Solon"

Also could there be a possibility that my African ancestry could have Atlantean DNA?

I also looked up stuff about connection between Africa and Atlantis,and I found the following:

Atlantis Claimed to Be Found Using Google Earth, Google Says Otherwise
Take this one with a grain of salt, but researchers claim to have found Atlantis off the coast of Africa

Last week Google Earth, which has recently turned its mapping efforts to imaging the ocean floor, created quite a stir, when someone noticed an unusual image on the ocean floor off the coast of Africa. The blurry image shows a rectangle the size of a small state made up of seemingly perfect straight lines. More lines crisscross the inside of the rectangle like streets.

The site, located in the Madeira Abyssal Plane, is being hailed by some as being possibly the fabled city of Atlantis. It was first discovered by a British aeronautical engineer Bernie Bamford. He states, "It looks like an aerial map of Milton Keynes. It must be man-made."

Google states that the lines are sonar lines based on its imaging techniques, though it could not explain why they stopped or started or featured gaps. Stated a spokesperson, "Bathymetric (or sea floor terrain) data is often collected from boats using sonar to take measurements of the sea floor. The lines reflect the path of the boat as it gathers the data. The fact that there are blank spots between each of these lines is a sign of how little we really know about the world’s oceans."

Based on Google's explanation, a possible alternative is that there are deep trenches in the area, which prevented the sonar from escaping.

However, some oceanographers, geophysicists, and other researchers aren't accepting Google's explanation and insist the image might be the long lost city of Atlantis, a staple of Greek mythology. They point out that the location in Google Earth closely echoes where Greek philosopher Plato claimed Atlantis to be located. Plato had said that Atlantis was 620 miles of Africa's coast, past the Canary Islands. He wrote that the land was home to advanced civilization before earthquake and floods sunk it into the sea around 9,700BC — nearly 12,000 years ago.

Dr Charles Orser, curator of historical archaeology at New York State University says that the discovery is "fascinating". He states, "The site is one of the most prominent places for the proposed location of Atlantis, as described by Plato. Even if it turns out to be geographical, this definitely deserves a closer look."

Given the enthusiasm it seems likely that some will investigate the site further. However, for now the so-called discovery still seems a questionable one at best. It does, however, provide Google's ocean mapping efforts with some nice publicity. http://www.dailytech.com/Atlantis+Claimed+to+Be+Found+Using+Goo gle+Earth+Google+Says+Otherwise/article14358.htm

Leo Frobenius, the theory's main proponent

The African Atlantis was a civilization thought to have once existed in southern Africa, initially proposed by German philosopher Leo Frobenius towards the end of the 19th century.[1] Named for the mythical Atlantis, this lost civilization was conceived to be the root of African culture and social structure, the existence of which contradicted the ideas of white social and cultural superiority which prevailed in Europe during the period. Using studies of language, anthropology and political economy, Frobenius surmised that a white civilization must have existed in Africa prior to the arrival of the European colonisers, and that it was this "white residue" that enabled native Africans to exhibit traits of "military power, political leadership and... monumental architecture."[1]

Background of African study

During the 18th and 19th centuries, the dominant historical school was that derived from Leopold von Ranke and other historians who followed his teachings. These historians argued that without a verifiable history gleaned from written sources and written historical fact, no history existed. As African history was, at the time, maintained through oral folklore, language and culture, it was often argued that Africa was a continent without history. Therefore, the true origins of African culture, political identity and language were unknown. In light of the socially acceptable racism of the time, which portrayed non-white ethnic groups as inferior to whites, it was difficult to explain the development of sophisticated levels of culture and social structure in Africa and other areas without white intervention. Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel's historical theories served as the basis for the idea that ethnic groups deemed unable to manufacture such advanced civilized traits had either been conquered by more advanced civilizations or had imitated them. This was backed up by anthropological research at the time, which supplemented the lack of what was then the main acceptable historical source, the written document.[2]

Migration from the Mediterranean

With the arrival of colonial empires from Europe in Africa during the 19th century, many were at a loss to explain the advanced traits of the native populations. The European explorers came across what they recognised as "vestiges" of civilization, and struggled at times against African military strength and organisation. Frobenius's theory stated that "historical contact with emigrant 'whites' of Mediterranean origin" were responsible for these traits in the native African population. He stated that such a civilization must have disappeared long ago, to allow for the dilution of their civilization to the levels that were encountered during the period.[1]
[edit] See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Atlantis

Personally, I think it's bunch of B.S. based on racist ideology.

I checked out my Frobenius (yes, there is an asteroid called that!) ,and it is in 27'33 Leo in opposition to my Mars in 25'54 Aquarius in 6th and Black in 27'41 Aquarius in 6th. hmmmmmmm I don't know what to think about that.

here is something called
Apartheid Atlantis: A Planned City in Racist Society http://www.scribd.com/doc/14160434/Apartheid-Atlantis

"Atlantis on 8°15 Sagittarius in 1st house (with all the other asteroids around it)."

it's right on my 4th/7th house ruler Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius in 4th (whole sign house system)

"Giza on 10°36 Aries"
It's right on my Chiron,also conjuncting my Africa and Africano.

I was wondering about certain civilization asteroids conjunct fixed stars

my Giza in 23'09 Libra
(square Drago in 23'52 Cancer)
conjunct Spica in 23'26 Libra
conjunct Arcturus in 23'50 Libra

My Sumeria in 13'48 Cancer
My Drakonia in 13'20 Cancer
(sextile/trine Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces)
(trine Stargazer in 12'40 Scorpio)
conjunct Sirius in 13'41 Cancer

The Sabian Symbol for my Atlantis,Astraea,Apollo,Aesculapia,South Uranus Node

13 Sagittarius
A Widow's Past is Brought to Light

keywords: unveiling and exposing---or creating a new and vibrant beginning. Getting rid of yesterday's darkness. Looking back to revision attitudes. Being freed for new opportunities. The "scales" falling from one's eyes. Reasons as to why relationships have failed. Remembering. Past life memories. Things being found or discovered. Wills. Inheritances. Death certificates. Burying the past. Pensions. Insurance policies.

The Caution: old stories best forgotten. Dead-end feelings hanging around. Gossip and family secrets that hurt and otherwise cause harm. Feelings rehashed detrimental to stability. Someone being caught out. Bearing the weight of secrets.

Raymond

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posted October 20, 2009 02:14 PM            

1. KAALI conjunct COMPASSION 29.3 Pisces conj SPHINX in 0 Aries.

2. INNANEN in the sacred degree of 29-30 Aquarius trine Super Galactic Centre in 0.2 Libra

3. ISIS conjunct OSIRIS conj HERA conj WISDOM conj ALEXANDRA conj VESUVIUS in 27.5 Leo, 5th House, same as my ATLANTIS Stellium.

4. PALLAS conj SEKHMET conj FORTUNA conj ABUNDANTIA conj PSYCHE are 5 goddesses and are conj ATLANTIS in 8 Virgo 5th House.

5. KLEOPATRA conj NEFERTITI exactly in 16.4 Leo 5th, close to Saturn conj VESTA in 14 Leo. Asteroid LILITH exact opp VESTA and JUNO makes T-Square exact with Vesta and Lilith.
Saturn also exactly conjuncts ASSISSI and RUDRA.

6. NEPHTHYS conj CIRCE conj Sun conj TYCHE in a 3 degree orb betwee 1 to 4 Cancer, 3rd House.

7. UBASTI in 4.4 Leo conj LOGOS 5 Leo and exact square Chiron 4 Taurus and exact sextile CERES in 5 Libra.

All top goddesses are hence aspected to each other or to important planets/asteroids.

posted October 20, 2009 02:20 PM            

ATLANTIS opp Venus (orb is 4.4 degrees)
ATLANTIS sesquiquadrate Moon

iQ or DD,
Do you think these two aspects are valid?

posted October 20, 2009 02:37 PM            

here is some stuff from
ATLANTIS AND THE ARYANS

Two Persistent Legends

by Roger Rawlings

Afterword by Peter Staudenmaier

Many occultists, including Rudolf Steiner, have expressed a belief in Atlantis. Indeed, some have said that the “Aryan” race originated there or later arose from the descendants of the “Atlanteans.” Here is Steiner’s position: “The ancestors of the Atlanteans lived in a region [i.e., Lemuria] which has disappeared ... After they had passed through various stages of development the greatest part of them declined. These became stunted men, whose descendants still inhabit certain parts of the earth today as so-called savage tribes. Only a small part of Lemurian humanity was capable of further development. From this part the Atlanteans were formed. Later, something similar took place. The greatest part of the Atlantean population declined, and from a small portion are descended the so-called Aryans who comprise present-day civilized humanity ... [T]he Lemurians, Atlanteans, and Aryans are root races of mankind.” [1]

True to form, Steiner tried to take some of the sting out of this doctrine, referring to “so-called Aryans.” But his belief in, and exaltation of, the “Aryans” is clear. We also see here the germ of Steiner’s derogation of “inferior races”: They arose from the “stunted” men of Lemuria and the “declined” population of Atlantis. [2] Note that in the quotation, above, Steiner omits the phrase “so-called” in his second reference to the Aryans, and note that he explicitly identifies Aryans as the sole representatives of “present-day civilized humanity.”

After the horrors perpetrated by the Nazis in the name of the Aryan “master race,” it is hard to extend even a presumption of plausibility to the concept of Aryanism. But let’s not dismiss it out of hand. Instead, we should examine relevant scholarship. Peter Staudenmaier reports the following: “[T]he notion of an Aryan race was invented by European thinkers who began by tracing linguistic connections among different Indo-European languages, an entirely legitimate enterprise, and then conflated these linguistic theories with emerging anthropological, biological, and spiritual theories about race and ethnicity, an obviously illegitimate move. The essential confusion at the heart of the Aryan myth is that peoples whose languages share linguistic similarities must be racially similar as well ... Already in the mid-19th century ... anthropologists pointed out the fallacy of collapsing language into race and vice versa. And later in the 1800s even Friedrich Max Mueller, whose work was one of the major sources for the ideologists of Aryanism, emphatically criticized the conflation of linguistics and race that is the core of the Aryan myth (the same is true for T.H. Huxley and many others).” [3]

The most important point, for our present discussion, concerns the mutually reinforcing errors that can derive from failing to grasp distinctions between linguistics, racial theory, and history. As Staudenmaier points out, historical fallacies — such as the Aryan myth as well as the Atlantis myth — readily arise from linguistic confusions. Also of interest: There once actually was a prehistoric race that we now identify as Aryans. They lived in what is now Iran and Northern India. These “Aryans” have no connection with the later Middle European so-called Aryans. Note that the Germanic peoples (usually considered prime examples of the Aryan race) arose in a completely different region, far away: “The German-speaking peoples ... are extremely heterogeneous in their ethnic origins ... The German people appear to have originated on the coastal region of the Baltic Sea and in the Baltic islands in the Bronze and early Iron ages. From about 500 BC they began to move southward, crushing and absorbing the existing Celtic kingdoms; from 58 BC they clashed with Rome along the line of the Rhine and Danube rivers.” [4]

In sum, the modern Eurocentric “Aryan race” — whether the Fascist or Anthroposophical variety — is a fantasy: “During the 19th century there arose a notion — propagated most assiduously by the Comte de Gobineau and later by his disciple Houston Stewart Chamberlain — of an “Aryan race.” Members of the so-called race spoke Indo-European languages, were credited with all of the progress that benefited humanity, and were purported to be superior to “Semites,” “yellows,” and “blacks.” Believers in Aryanism came to regard the Nordic and Germanic peoples as the purest members of the “race.” This notion, which had been repudiated by anthropologists by the second quarter of the 20th century, was seized upon by Adolf Hitler and the Nazis and was made the basis of the German government policy of exterminating Jews, Roma (Gypsies), and other “non-Aryans.” [5]

Thus, the “Aryans” championed by Steiner, Hitler, and others, are a myth. But what about their place of origin? Steiner traces the Aryans back to Atlantis (not Iran and northern India, nor the Baltic region). Let’s turn our attention, then, to the fabulous lost continent, which presumably played a key role in the ascent of civilized humanity. Dr. C. Scott Littleton, chairperson of the Department of Anthropology at Occidental College, provides the following summary of recent scholarship on Atlantis. “Atlantis was a legendary continent that many people believe sank into the Atlantic Ocean thousands of years ago. The first mention of Atlantis appeared during the 300's B.C. in CRITIAS and TIMAEUS, two works by the Greek philosopher Plato. According to Plato, a brilliant civilization once existed on Atlantis. But its people became corrupt and greedy, and so the gods punished them. During one day and night, great explosions shook Atlantis, and the continent sank into the sea.” [6]

Dr. Littleton goes on to say that, over the centuries, there have been various theories about the location, importance, and even future of Atlantis. “Some people have claimed that Atlantis was the basis of all later civilizations. A few have even predicted that the continent will someday rise from the sea.” [7] In recent times, numerous expeditions searched for the ruins of Atlantis, but always without success. The most likely inspiration for Plato’s legend, according to Dr. Littleton, was the volcanic destruction of the small island Thira, which was situated in the Aegean, north of Crete. Volcanic eruptions demolished Thira in about 1470 B.C., and the effects were felt on Crete. Minoan civilization, which had held sway on both islands, was essentially wiped out. [8]

Note the discrepancies between the occult belief in Atlantis and Dr. Littlelon’s analysis. Myth: a continent. Probable truth: a small island (smaller than Crete). Myth: sunk in the Atlantic. Probable truth: sunk in the Aegean. Etc. Most critically, note that despite the repeated efforts to find Atlantis, no expedition has done so — even though the presumed location of the lost continent should have made discovery fairly easy. Here is what the ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA has to say about the location: “ATLANTIS, also spelled Atalantis, or Atlantica, a legendary island in the Atlantic Ocean, lying west of the Straits of Gibraltar. The principal sources for the legend are two of Plato's dialogues, TIMAEUS and CRITIAS. In the former, Plato describes how Egyptian priests, in conversation with the Athenian lawgiver Solon, described Atlantis as an island larger than Asia Minor and Libya combined, and situated just beyond the Pillars of Hercules (the Straits of Gibraltar).” [9]

The BRITANNICA goes on to say that, according to legend, the people of Atlantis established an empire in and around the Mediterranean, but thereafter they became corrupted and (presumably as a punishment by the gods) their island sank into the sea due to earthquakes. The BRITANNICA agrees with Dr. Littleton that various attempts have been made to find or identify Atlantis — including strange speculations that it may have been Scandinavia or the Canary Islands — but that the most likely origin of the legend was the destruction of Thira (or Thera, as the The BRITANNICA spells it). Once again, consider the discrepancies between legend and scholarship. Myth: “larger than Asia Minor and Libya combined.” Probable truth: small island. Myth: sunk in the Atlantic. Probable truth: sunk in the Aegean. The destruction of the small island occurred around 3,500 years ago, much more recently than the fictional destruction of Atlantis as described by Steiner and others. (Plato himself dated the destruction at about 11,000 years ago.) Importantly, Atlantis was supposed to be “situated just beyond the Pillars of Hercules (the Straits of Gibraltar)” — i.e., quite close to Europe and thus presumably easy to find.

The failure to find Atlantis does not prove that the fabulous lost continent never existed. But the absence of evidence that Atlantis did exist raises the question why anyone would believe the myth. There’s no evidence to support the belief. In DISCARDED SCIENCE, John Grant explores the fallacious history of Atlantis and other mythical lost worlds: “Is there any truth in such tales, or are they total fantasies? Atlantis could have been Crete, Thule could have been the Orkney Islands, or Iceland, or ... [sic: ellipses by Grant] Yes, just possibly, some of the lost lands could really have existed. But somewhere amongst all the legends there ought to be just one about a land which was not heavenly, and whose inhabitants were not in some way supermen. Where, in short, are the sewers of Atlantis?”[10] Sarcasm is not scientifically or logically compelling, but Grant’s point is still useful. Anything is possible, just possibly some lost lands did exist, perhaps, possibly ... But where is the evidence substantiating the legends? Absent evidence, we have no proof, no reason to believe. To be charitable, we might suspend judgment. But to be strict, we must demand proof.

In THE SKEPTIC’S DICTIONARY, Robert Todd Carroll returns to the principal author of the Atlantis myth, Plato. “Plato was not describing a real place ... The purpose of Atlantis [for Plato] is to express a moral message ... The fact that nobody in Greece for 9,000 years had mentioned a battle between Athens and Atlantis should serve as a clue ... [Greeks] would have understood that he was not giving them a historical account of a real city ... Finally, if the Atlanteans were such technological geniuses who shared their wisdom with the world, why did Plato depict them as arrogant warmongers?” [11] Carroll’s argument is not entirely consistent with Grant’s. In any event, citing authorities is not, in itself, conclusive. Experts can be wrong. Still, Atlantis-doubters do raise interesting issues.

The onus is on those who want to find truth in the Aryan and/or Atlantis myths. Give us proof. Compel us to agree. Until you do, we have no reason to think that there ever was an Atlantis, or that Aryans arose there. Until you compel us to think otherwise, we are justified in concluding that the cradle of the legendary Aryan race was itself almost certainly nothing but a legend.
http://sites.google.com/site/waldorfwatch/atlantis-and-aryans

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 20, 2009 02:40 PM            

But let’s not be too hasty. Let’s approach the subject of Atlantis from a different angle. By his standards, Steiner was rather specific in his descriptions of Atlantis. Here are two examples.

“The ancient Atlantean did not possess a developed intellect and mind, but he was equipped with fine somnambulistic-clairvoyant forces. Logical power ... did not exist in ancient Atlantis, for man's faculties of thought and feeling were quite different. At that time, he could not have combined thoughts, nor could he have reckoned, counted, or read; as men do now; yet certain somnambulistic-clairvoyant spiritual forces lived in him. He could understand the language of Nature and could hear God speak to him in the murmuring waves; he could understand the rolling thunder, the rustling forest, the delicate aromas of the flowers; he could understand this language of Nature ... [T]he Atlantean just went out and listened to the sounds of the trees and of the wind and these told him what he had to do.” [12]

“An Atlantean settlement ... had a character which in no way resembled that of a modern city ... [I]n the first Atlantean periods ... a settlement resembled a garden in which the houses were built of trees with artfully intertwined branches. What the work of human hands created at that time grew out of nature ... What the Atlantean built up on the basis of nature he considered to be common property just as a man of today thinks it only natural to consider as his private property what his ingenuity, his intelligence have created for him.” [13]

Science offers no confirmation for such statements, but can we find support for Steiner elsewhere? Yes. Other clairvoyants and psychics have given accounts that jibe with Steiner’s. Edgar Cayce was an American psychic whose powers of occult perception may have rivaled or even exceeded Steiner’s own, at least according to his followers. “His batting average on predictions was incredibly high, close to one hundred percent. He may have missed once or twice ... but so much of what he said has come so miraculously true....” [14] Today an organization of spiritual seekers, the Association for Research and Enlightenment (A.R.E.), perpetuates Cayce’s insights and seeks to further them through new research. [15] It is not unlike the Anthroposophical Society, which has a similar mission concerning the work of Rudolf Steiner. [16]

Not only did Cayce gaze into the future, but he provided startling information about the distant past — and, a point that may galvanize Anthroposophists, his visions of Atlantis were often remarkably similar to Steiner’s. Here is a brief rundown of major points on which Cayce generally confirms Steiner about Atlantis. (The agreement between these savants is not total, and some of the following misrepresents Steiner to some degree, but overall the accounts are in accord.)

• Atlantis was was a huge continent that occupied the area now filled by the Atlantic Ocean.

• The ancestors of mankind dwelling there underwent a process of evolution.

• Mankind divided into races during or soon after that period.

• Some humans there were giants; some were tiny.

• The Atlanteans were technologically advanced, at least in some areas.

• The destruction of Atlantis was caused by human activity.

• Much knowledge about these matters is derived from the Akashic Record.

Let’s sample some of the confirming quotations.

Steiner: “Several chapters from the Akashic Record will follow ... First, those events will be described which took place when the so-called Atlantean continent still existed between America and Europe This part of the earth’s surface was once land. Today it forms the floor of the Atlantic ocean.” [17] Don’t be thrown by Steiner tossing in phrases like “so-called.” He did this a lot, partly to remind us that clairvoyant explorations can be difficult, and partly to cover his back.

Cayce: “The position ... the continent of Atlantis occupied is between the Gulf of Mexico on the one hand and the Mediterranean on the other.” [18] Concerning Cayce’s use of the Akashic Record, we have this affirmation: “One of the greatest sources for information on Atlantis is Edgar Cayce. The amount of information that came through him has filled books and may be comparable to Plato's writing on this ancient sea continent. Cayce's psychic ability to read Mother Earth's memories of Atlantis — what the Hindus call the Akashic Record — is amazing.” [19]

•••

Steiner: “Human racial forms which had hardened ... could continue to propagate themselves for a good while to come, but ... these races too had to die out. Many of the forms were nevertheless able to maintain themselves right into the post-Atlantean times.” [20] Humanity was divided into races, some of which survived after Atlantis although they should have died out.

Casey: “As these took form by the gratifying of their own desire ... they became hardened or set — much in the form of the existent human body of the day ... Hence coming into that form as the red or the mixture peoples ... followed more closely by that of the yellow, the black, of the white races....” [21]

•••

Steiner: “Just at the time when Atlantis began to sink there was a great contrast between men who were good as to their qualities of soul, and were a race of little men, and the giant forms who were wicked and in whom everything turned to flesh.” [22]

Cayce: “These took on many sizes of stature, from that as may be called the midget to the giants — for there were giants ... men as tall as (what would be termed today) ten or twelve feet in stature....” [23]

•••

Steiner: “Mighty and ominous powers of Nature were thus let loose by the deeds of men, leading eventually to the gradual destruction of the whole territory of Atlantis by catastrophes of air and water.” [24]

Cayce: “With the continued disregard of those who were keeping the pure race and the pure peoples, man brought in destructive forces ... These destructive forces combined with those natural resources of gases, of the electrical forces made in nature, caused volcanic eruptions....” [25]

•••

Naturally, Steiner and Casey did not agree on all particulars, or one may have omitted some details that the other one spelled out. For example, Steiner spoke of the flying vehicles used by the Atlanteans, while Cayce went further:

Steiner: “The vehicles of the Atlanteans, which floated a short distance above the ground traveled at a height lower than that of the mountain ranges of the Atlantean period, and they had steering mechanisms by the aid of which they could rise above these mountain ranges.” [26]

Casey: “In Atlantis ... [vehicles] sailed both through the air and under the water ... [Atlanteans] excelled in the use of the elevator in building in the earth ... [There were devices] associated with communications, lighter-than-air machines, and radioactive forces.” [27] If, as his editors believe, Cayce said that the Atlanteans had atomic power at their disposal, Steiner probably should have included this tiny detail. It had major consequences, after all:

Another point Steiner apparently overlooked was the horrific invasions of Atlantis by animal-beings: “Then began that period when there were invasions of this continent by those of the animal kingdoms. This brought about that meeting of the nations of the globe to prepare a way and manner of disposing of them ... This animal invasion resulted in the development of destructive forces as could be set and meted out ... Hence the development of explosives ... Then ... human sacrifices began. With this also came the first egress of peoples to the Pyrenees. Later we find there was the entering into the black or mixed peoples, in what later became the Egyptian dynasty.” [28]

As we can see, there were some significant differences in the accounts given by Steiner and Cayce, but there’s no denying that the two seers agreed on many, many points. The question becomes, then, what to make of this agreement. Does Cayce prove Steiner right, and vice versa?

Of course not. By the time Steiner and Cayce began talking about Atlantis, there was already an extensive literature — all of it fantastical, none of it confirmed by science, then or afterwards — about Atlantis. Our two psychics followed in train with these. Here are some of the books available to them: [29]

• VRIL, THE POWER OF THE COMING RACE, a novel by Edward Bulwer-Lytton, 1871.

• William R. Sandbach, THE OERA LINDA BOOK, published 1876; an account centering on the North Sea.

• ATLANTIS, THE ANTEDILUVIAN WORLD, by Ignatius Donnelly, 1882, a pseudoscientific account that launched a veritable Atlantis mania.

• THE STORY OF ATLANTIS — a Theosophical version of the Atlantis myth, written by William Scott-Elliot, 1896.

• THE LOST CONTINENT, by Cutcliffe Hyne, 1900. A rip-roaring yarn.

• HOW I FOUND THE LOST ATLANTIS, by Paul Schliemann, 1912 — a hoax.

Significantly, Steiner himself admits that he based some of his statements about Atlantis on the work of William Scott-Elliot, the Theosophist: “In the little book, ‘THE STORY OF ATLANTIS’ by W. Scott-Elliot, the reader will learn that the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean was once the continent ... Details completing those given in that book [i.e., THE STORY OF ATLANTIS] and bearing on this hoary civilization [i.e., the Atlantean civilization] will be given here [i.e., in my own work — meaning that I, Steiner, will build upon the work of W. Scott-Elliot].” [30]

There is one other source Cayce may have used, one that Steiner himself could not have used: It is the book from which I have just quoted, Steiner’s own ATLANTIS AND LEMURIA, which was published in 1911. Cayce was 16 years younger than Steiner, and he outlived Steiner by nearly 20 years. Cayce had plenty of time to acquaint himself with Steiner’s work, and Scott-Elliot’s work, and all the other Atlantis yarns, hoaxes, and lies. The main point for us to absorb, here, is that there is nothing surprising about various frauds making similar claims when they develop those claims from the same body of myth. Once Plato gave the world the myth of Atlantis, subsequent embellishers created a more or less coherent set of fantasies about that legendary land, but the coherence of these fantasies proves nothing. We are still waiting for the first shred of tangible evidence that Atlantis ever existed. Don’t hold your breath.

posted October 20, 2009 02:45 PM            

Aryans

by Peter Staudenmaier

The widespread notion that the Aryan myth first became racist under the Nazis is false. That this notion persists among a wide range of contemporary Anthroposophists suggests a lack of basic knowledge about the history of racist thought.

The very idea of an "Aryan race" was nonsensical from the beginning. It is based on a conflation of linguistics and biology, and does not refer to anything in the real world. Moreover, the concept of an "Aryan race," in the form which it typically took within European culture in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, was patently racist. It posited a superior Aryan stock who colonized the ancient world and founded the great civilizations of antiquity. This is how Rudolf Steiner used the term. While the confusion between philology and ethnology was common in the pre-Darwinian era, it had been thoroughly criticized and dismantled by a variety of scholars by Steiner's day.

That Aryan supremacism was not a Nazi innovation has been a mainstay of research on the topic for decades, including those works whose analysis of racial ideology is closely circumscribed. Hannah Arendt's seminal essay on "Race-Thinking Before Racism" (chapter 6 in THE ORIGINS OF TOTALITARIANISM, 1951) begins with the following remarks: "If race-thinking were a German invention, as it has been sometimes asserted, then ‘German thinking’ (whatever that may be) was victorious in many parts of the spiritual world long before the Nazis started their ill-fated attempt at world conquest." The prominent archeologist J.P. Mallory begins his epilogue on the Aryan myth as follows: "We cannot examine the legacy of the Indo-Europeans without first dispelling the spectre of the 'Aryan Myth'. The world is all too familiar with how the concept of racial supremacy was implemented by the National Socialists in Germany, and we would be quite mistaken to imagine that this grotesque obsession with the Indo-Europeans or, as they were then more popularly known, the Aryans, was merely the creation of a handful of Nazi fanatics." (Mallory, IN SEARCH OF THE INDO-EUROPEANS, 1989.) Indeed the notion of an "Aryan race" was hardly specific to German thought; the British made extensive use of the concept during their colonial administration of India, and a number of the most influential theorists of Aryan supremacy were French.

The best comprehensive account of this phenomenon remains Leon Poliakov's 1971 book THE ARYAN MYTH. Poliakov writes in his Introduction: "In its various forms, the Aryan theory nearly always involved a value-judgement in favor of the Aryans, and the ideologists of the Third Reich did no more than stress this bias out of all proportion." While it was at least hypothetically possible for non-racists to use the term "Aryan race" without supremacist meaning (Moses Hess comes to mind as a potential example), within continental European thought the racist interpretation of the term had become predominant, indeed virtually exclusive, many years before the rise of Nazism.

Poliakov's pioneering work can now be supplemented by a range of other valuable scholarly treatments, including the following:

Stefan Arvidsson, ARYAN IDOLS: INDO-EUROPEAN MYTHOLOGY AS IDEOLOGY AND SCIENCE (Chicago 2006)

Thomas Trautmann, ed., THE ARYAN DEBATE (Oxford 2005)

Maurice Olender, THE LANGUAGES OF PARADISE: RACE, RELIGION, AND PHILOLOGY IN THE NINETEENTH CENTURY (Cambridge 1992)

Thomas Trautmann, THE ARYANS AND BRITISH INDIA (Berkeley 1997)

Tony Ballantyne, ORIENTALISM AND RACE: ARYANISM IN THE BRITISH EMPIRE (New York 2002)

Stefan Arvidsson, “Aryan Mythology As Science and Ideology”, Journal of the American Academy of Religion, vol. 67 no. 2 (1999), 327-354

Joan Leopold, “British Applications of the Aryan Theory of Race to India, 1850-1870”, English Historical Review 89 (1974), 578-603

Peter van der Veer, “Aryan Origins” in van der Veer, IMPERIAL ENCOUNTERS: RELIGION AND MODERNITY IN INDIA AND BRITAIN (Princeton 2001), 134-157

Colin Kidd, “The Aryan Moment: Racialising Religion in the Nineteenth Century” in Kidd, THE FORGING OF RACES: RACE AND SCRIPTURE IN THE PROTESTANT ATLANTIC WORLD, 1600-2000 (Cambridge 2006), 168-202

Bruce Lincoln, THEORIZING MYTH: NARRATIVE, IDEOLOGY, AND SCHOLARSHIP (Chicago 1999)

[Note: The Afterword, above, is adapted from an essay Staudenmaier posted at http://lists.topica.com/lists/waldorf-critics/read/message.html?mid=1715726619 Reprinted here by permission of the author. -- RR]

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ENDNOTES

[1] Rudolf Steiner, COSMIC MEMORY (Garber Communications, 1990), pp. 45-46.

[2] Steiner taught that “lower” humans are susceptible to the influence of demons, and indeed they exist because demons interfered with human evolution.

“In human beings of this type [i.e., highly evolved], both the life body [a nonphysical “body”] and the physical body had portions that remained untouched by the Luciferic influence. [But] in the case of the lower types of human beings, the life body was too unprotected to be able to withstand the Luciferic influence.” [Rudolf Steiner, AN OUTLINE OF OCCULT SCIENCE (Kessinger Publishing, 1998: 1922 edition), AN OUTLINE OF ESOTERIC SCIENCE, pp. 238-239.]

“Instead of racial diversities developing consecutively, older racial forms remained unchanged and newer ones began to evolve at the same time ... As we know, around the Atlantean time, human souls gradually came down from the planets to which they had ascended ... Lucifer and Ahriman [two demons] preserved older racial forms that had developed, so that there was a coexistence of races rather than a succession.” [Rudolf Steiner, THE UNIVERSAL HUMAN: The Evolution of Individuality (Anthroposophic Press, 1990), p. 75.]

[3] Peter Staudenmaier, “The Aryan Myth,” Mar 21, 2007 08:25 PST, http://lists.topica.com/lists/waldorf-critics/read/ .

Anthroposophy is Steiner’s new age religion; its adherents are Anthroposophists.

[4] "Germany." ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA. 2007. Encyclopedia Britannica Online. 15 May 2007. See also THE TIMES CONCISE ATLAS OF WORLD HISTORY (London: Times Books Ltd., 1982), pp. 6 & 52. Tracing the migrations of prehistoric peoples is complex, but a consensus theory is that from their origins in Africa, Homo sapiens branched out east and west. The prehistoric Aryans would have arisen from the branch that headed east, toward the Mideast and Asia, while the Germanic people derived from those who went west, into Europe.

[5] "Aryan." ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA. 2007. Encyclopedia Britannica Online. 15 May 2007.

[6] C. Scott Littleton, Ph.D., Professor and Chair, Department of Anthropology, Occidental College; author, THE NEW COMPARATIVE MYTHOLOGY AND FROM SCYTHIA TO CAMELOT — cited in the WORLD BOOK MULTIMEDIA ENCYCLOPEDIA, Mac OS X Edition, Version 6.0.2, 2001.

Steiner said that to find “Atlantis, we would have to seek between present-day Europe and America.” [Rudolf Steiner, THE CHRISTIAN MYSTERY (Anthroposophic Press, 1998), p. 177.]

[7] Ibid.

[8] Ibid.

[9] "Atlantis." ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA. 2007. Encyclopedia Britannica Online. 17 Apr. 2007.

[10] John Grant, DISCARDED SCIENCE: Ideas That Seemed Good at the Time ... (AAPPL Artists’ and Photographers’ Press Ltd., 2006), pp. 103-104.

[11] Robert Todd Carroll, THE SKEPTIC’S DICTIONARY (John Wiley & Sons, 2003), pp. 39-41.

[12] Rudolf Steiner, “The Adept-School of the Past, The Mysteries of the Spirit, The son and the Father”, a lecture, March 7, 1907 http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/AdeSch_index.html

[13] Rudolf Steiner, COSMIC MEMORY, “Our Atlantean Ancestors” http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA011/CM/GA011_c03.html

[14] Jess Stern, EDGAR CAYCE: The Sleeping Prophet (Bantam, 1989) http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_cayce05.htm#Contents

[15] http://www.edgarcayce.org/

[16] http://www.goetheanum.org/336.html?L=1

Anthroposophists might pause to consider the implications: Other organizations exist to promote the teachings of clairvoyant savants whose teachings vary markedly from Steiner’s. In this essay, I point out similarities between Steiner’s visions and Cayce’s. But when we step back, the differences are at least as impressive. Steiner’s entire Theosophically inspired schema of evolution is missing from Cayce’s wondrous pronouncements. Maybe Steiner was right and Cayce was wrong. Maybe. Or maybe Cayce was right and Steiner (dare we suggest it?) was... Or (and here we approach the truth) maybe they were both full of it.

[17] ATLANTIS: The Fate of a Lost Land and Its Secret Knowledge (Rudolf Steiner Press, 2001), pp. 11-13 (p. 12 is a map).

[18] Edgar Evans Cayce, EDGAR CAYCE ON ATLANTIS (Grand Central Publishing, 1968), p. 52.

Edgar Evans Cayce is one of Edgar Cayce’s sons.

[19] Edgar Evans Cayce, Douglas G. Richards, Gail Cayce Shwartzer THE MYSTERIES OF ATLANTIS (A.R.E. Press, 2007) , synopsis http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Mysteries-of-Atlantis/Edgar-Evans-Cayce/e/9780876045749

[20] Rudolf Steiner, OCCULT SCIENCE - An Outline (Rudolf Steiner Press, 1979), pp. 198-199.

[21] EDGAR CAYCE ON ATLANTIS, pp. 56-57.

[22] Rudolf Steiner, THE BEING OF MAN AND HIS FUTURE EVOLUTION (Rudolf Steiner Press, 1981), p. 117.

[23] EDGAR CAYCE ON ATLANTIS, p. 63.

[24] OCCULT SCIENCE - An Outline, pp. 198-200.

[25] EDGAR CAYCE ON ATLANTIS, p. 61.

[26] Rudolf Steiner, COSMIC MEMORY (Anthroposophic Press, 1987), pp. 42-44.

[27] EDGAR CAYCE ON ATLANTIS, p. 62.

[28] Ibid., pp. 60-61.

[29] I have adapted this list from the Internet Sacred Text Archive http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/index.htm

[30] Rudolf Steiner, ATLANTIS AND LEMURIA (Rajput Press, 1911), p. 8.

Lemuria was an earlier, equally fictitious continent. See, e.g., William Scott-Elliot, THE STORY OF ATLANTIS AND THE LOST LEMURIA (CreateSpace, 2009).

[31] Richard Ellis, IMAGINING ATLANTIS (Vintage Books, 1998).

[32] Ibid., pp. 261-262.
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