posted April 30, 2012 02:36 PM            

"Wow! how 'bout that! All 10 synastries have this pairing."
Yes, I was more than mildly surprised to see the consistency in these synastries.
This seems to be REALLY important.

"So it's my Mary/his SN, his Jessie/my NN.
BUT his Jessie/my NN is conj. his Vertex, which is conj. his Poseidon, conj. his Atlantis all in his 7H."
Can you post the degrees? I wonder how tight these are. And are they in 1st harmonic or also in 13th harmonic?

"So I think perhaps with the Mary/Jessie/nodal connection the above interp. becomes even more significant. Very interesting."
Yes, it does.

"but was curious whether you were able to find the wife's birth time?"
Unfortunately not.

posted April 30, 2012 03:57 PM            

Here are the degrees (all in natal, sorry still need to learn 13th harmonic)-

Natal is 1st harmonic, right?

His 7H Atlantis is at 26 Vir 39’ conjunct his Jupiter at 26 Vir 25’, conjunct his Poseidon at 25 Vir 44’, conjunct his Vertex at 23 Vir 54’, conjunct my NN at 22 Vir 09, conjunct his Jessie at 20 Virgo 02.

Here's the connection with my Mary and Maria:

My Mary at 19 Tau 43 exactly trines his Jessie at 20 Virgo 02 (19 min)

My Mary is also conjunct his SN at 17 Tau 07 (2 deg 36 min) [BTW, my Moon at 14 Tau 57 is also conj. his SN-2 deg 10 min]

AND his Jessie is conjunct my NN at 22 Vir 09 (2 deg 7 min)!

Also my Maria/Vesta exact conjunction at 17 Cap 11 trine his Jessie at 20 Vir 02.

So there seems to be a Grand Trine between my Mary/his SN, his Jessie/my NN, and my Maria/Vesta-all in earth!

I'm dying to know what you're thinking

posted April 30, 2012 04:41 PM            

"His 7H Atlantis is at 26 Vir 39’ conjunct his Jupiter at 26 Vir 25’, conjunct his Poseidon at 25 Vir 44’, conjunct his Vertex at 23 Vir 54’, conjunct my NN at 22 Vir 09, conjunct his Jessie at 20 Virgo 02."

The orbs of his Atlantis to your NN and his Jessie are too wide.
his Vertex/Jessie to your NN is within orb though.

"My Mary at 19 Tau 43 exactly trines his Jessie at 20 Virgo 02 (19 min)

My Mary is also conjunct his SN at 17 Tau 07 (2 deg 36 min)"
Those are within orbs.

So the overlay with the nodal axis holds, but not the connection to Atlantis.

I know I am quite adamant about orbs, but we are looking at so many asteroids, and some wider aspects will exist just by chance, and to eliminate this risk, I insisting on tight orbs.

posted April 30, 2012 11:06 PM            

"I know I am quite adamant about orbs, but we are looking at so many asteroids, and some wider aspects will exist just by chance, and to eliminate this risk, I insisting on tight orbs."

I completely understand. After all, the fluff aspects need to be eliminated.

At the risk of trying your patience I have the foll. aspect:

In addition to-

"his Vertex/Jessie to your NN is within orb though.

"My Mary at 19 Tau 43 exactly trines his Jessie at 20 Virgo 02 (19 min)

My Mary is also conjunct his SN at 17 Tau 07 (2 deg 36 min)"
Those are within orbs."

Note-His Vertex is at 23 Vir 54’

My Atlantis at 25 Leo 05 is tredecim my NN at 22 Virgo 09 (exact-4 min).

Could his Jessie at 20 Virgo 02 be connected to my Atlantis at 25 Leo 05 through (tredecim) my NN at 22 Virgo 09?

Also his Mary at 5 Cancer 38 is septile my Atlantis at 25 Leo 05 (don't know if you've definitively dropped the septile altogether)

In the composite the picture is as follows:

Comp. NN at 19 Libra 38 is sextile comp. Jessie at 20 Leo 54 (1 deg 16 min)

Comp. Atlantis at 10 Virgo 52 is exactly opposite comp. Maria at 11 Pisces 03 (11 min)

Below I've put all the Mary/Jessie etc. placements so you can see if anything exists-

............Mine................His..............Composite

Mary ..19 Tau 43......5 Can 38........12 Gem 40
Yesh...20 Sag 39......11 Gem 43.......16 Pis 11
Jess...21 Can 47......20 Vir 02........20 Leo 54
Maria..17 Cap 11......4 Tau 54........11 Pis 03

NN.....22 Vir 09......17 Scor 07.......19 Lib 38

posted April 30, 2012 11:38 PM            

.............Mine...................His..........

Mary.........16 Cap 20.............13 Vir 11
Yeshuhua.....28 Leo 21.............2 Scor 23
Jessie.......13 Ari 15.............20 Tau 21
Maria........13 Leo 27.............3 Can 44

NN............18 Gem 01............12 Gem 28

Atlantis......26 Gem 07............16 Leo 22

All I can tell is that the nodes are conjunct and possibly also conjunct my Atlantis

And that my Yeshuhua and Maria are conjunct his Atlantis.

I know you can use only conjunctions (up to 12 deg) and oppositions (up to 6 deg).

IDK how to find the connections though-linked through Atlantis, etc.

posted May 01, 2012 05:57 AM            

Anyway, I think the pattern might not be that strong, but there is something there.

the composite doesn`t have that strong resonance, remember that we only allow 3 degree orb for conjunctions here!

In the 1st harmonic your Mary is trine his Jessie (strength: 84%, using a maximum orb of 2 degrees).
Your Mary on his SN: (strenght: 13%)
His Jessie is out of orb for a trine with his SN and only connected by "association" through your mary, so this is a "spreading" pattern, which is still significant, but considereably weakened to one where his Jessie would have been in orb.

Your Mary is out of orb for a trine with your NN, but your NN is conjunct his Jessie (strength; 30%), so the same situation as above applies (a "spreading pattern").

So far this means you have a spreading pattern of your Mary and NN to his Jessie/SN
with the cross chart aspect of your Mary-his Jessie, your Mary-his SN, your NN - his Jessie being in orb.

In the 13th harmonic
1)Your Maria - his Atlantis: 76%
your Yeshua - his Atlantis: 0.1%
(that`s practically nothing)
Your Maria - your Yeshua: out of orb

2)Your NN - his NN: 54%
your NN - your Atlantis: 32%
your Atlantis - his NN: out of orb

You do have a strong 3rd harmonic aspect between Mary and Jessie (3rd harmonic = trine), which is indicative of harmony and balancing polar opposites.
But it is not in a pattern with Atlantis.

Your Yeshua- your Maria are tied to his Atlantis, but that is not a "true tf-aspéct" in the sense that each person provides one tf-asteroid each.
It does have meaning though, in that apparently he triggers in you the potential to balance these sides, almost like some kind of catalyst.

posted May 01, 2012 12:56 PM            

Let me just clarify from you-

First how do you calculate the percentages? Is it a simple math calculation for each aspect or is there a faster way to do this more automatically-like on astro.com maybe?

"You do have a strong 3rd harmonic aspect between Mary and Jessie (3rd harmonic = trine), which is indicative of harmony and balancing polar opposites. But it is not in a pattern with Atlantis.

So far this means you have a spreading pattern of your Mary and NN to his Jessie/SN
with the cross chart aspect of your Mary-his Jessie, your Mary-his SN, your NN - his Jessie being in orb."

So basically what we have here is no pattern to Atlantis. What exists is a connection between his Jessie/my NN and my Mary/his SN.

Then what you said earlier (when I gave the orbs for the above aspects)-
"On your Mary/Jessie-connection; it seems to be a very significant pairing, especially since it is tied to the nodal axis."

Does this still hold true even without the Atlantis connection? In light of the frequency of the Mary/Jessie aspect in the 10 examples you gave?

Thank you!

posted May 01, 2012 01:23 PM            

"First how do you calculate the percentages? Is it a simple math calculation for each aspect or is there a faster way to do this more automatically-like on astro.com maybe? "

Just by hand.
I guess there might be an easier way, but I calculate it like this:

the actual orb (in minutes) divided by the allowed orb (in minutes), multiplied with hundred.

The difference of this result to 100, is the percentage then.

For example: let`s say we allow an orb of 2 degrees or 120 minutes, and oour aspect has an orb of 1° or 60 minutes.

Then the calculation is like this:
60 divided by 120 = 0.5
multiplied with 100 = 50

100-50= 50% (potential strength)

Or let`s say the aspect has an orb of 30 minutes only.

30 divided by 120 = 0.25
0.25 multiplied with 100 = 25

the difference to 100 is 75, so the orb has 75% strength

"So basically what we have here is no pattern to Atlantis. What exists is a connection between his Jessie/my NN and my Mary/his SN."
Yes.

"
Does this still hold true even without the Atlantis connection? In light of the frequency of the Mary/Jessie aspect in the 10 examples you gave?"
Yes.

It simply is not the requested Atlantis-triangle. But the connection to the nodal axis gives it great importance for your path.

" think you're going to be so-o-o happy when Taineberry returns 'cause your "patience" neurons are probably just about worn out by me "
Yes, I will be happy when Taineberry returns, cause I am interested in learning what she thinks.

But I also like communicating with you, and if I am able to explain my thoughts, it means they must have at least some consistence which is a good thing.

posted May 01, 2012 01:28 PM            

in the first harmonic we consider 6 aspects:
conjunction
opposition
trine
square
sextile
quinkunx

And the 13th harmonic series ALSO exists of 6 aspects!
27°42
55°24
83°06
110°48
138°30
166°12

Isn`t that a neat balance?

BTW I found this quote:

"Since the Moon must move Eastward among the constellations enough to go completely around the sky (360 degrees) in 27.3 days, it must move Eastward by 13.2 degrees each day (in contrast, remember that the Sun only appears to move Eastward by about 1 degree per day). " http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/time/moonorbit.html

posted May 01, 2012 02:05 PM            

I think "tridec" for the 27.7 deg aspect is also fine. It's simpler.

THANK YOU for explaining the calculations. I noticed you'd used them to figure out the importance of the 13th harmonic versus the 7th in the TF charts. So I was curious.

If I'm right, you felt the 13th harmonic was more significant because the 13th harmonic aspects were more frequent in the suspected TF charts versus the 7th harmonic aspects. More frequent and also more strong orb-wise (which you showed by calculating the above percentages). Did I get this right?

That there are 6 aspects each in 1st and 13th harmonics is yes "harmonic" in itself.

And the quote you found-
"Since the Moon must move Eastward among the constellations enough to go completely around the sky (360 degrees) in 27.3 days, it must move Eastward by 13.2 degrees each day"

This shows even more synchronicity. Neat!

posted May 01, 2012 02:36 PM            

Especially since it seems to relate astronomically to the Moon, as the first harmonic does to the Sun.

And it fits these things Taineberry mentioned before:

"Imagine that the soulstuff of the spiritual twin flame is a green marble which holographically projects itself into a male and female incarnation on earth. You will have 2 separate entities which have different experiences and different biological forms, but each of the pair’s three bodies are animated by three identical green marbles. Ie. 7 marbles altogether. One in the centre and three encompassing this on either side which fuse and join around the one which is their source. If you use any number of marbles smaller than 7, you won’t be able to make an encompassing circle around the central circle where all the marbles can touch each other.

You can’t do it with 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12 either. But you can do it with 13 (which is also a prime number, like 7), but this time in a 3 D way, like a small orb surrounded by a big one. Interesting ... because as you see above each Monad consists of 12 Primary Clusters (made up of 6 twinsouls each which in turn combine to form One Oversoul) made from the essence of One Central Monad Soul. 12+1=13. Another perfect circle within a circle. Or you could look at it as a honeycomb.

So the 7th and 13th harmonics may be special for twinflames. They relate to our soul structure."

Also, there were THIRTEEN pieces of Osiris!

For all these theoretical/ mythological reasons and also for the aspects I found in the TF couples, which were more consistent than in 7th harmonic.

posted May 01, 2012 03:13 PM            

As usual I have a ques.-

In the 13th harmonic chart we can only consider 2 aspects-conjunction (12 orb) and opposition (6 orb)

But in the 1st harmonic chart can we consider the 13th harmonic aspects such as the 6 you mentioned?-

"And the 13th harmonic series ALSO exists of 6 aspects!
27°42
55°24
83°06
110°48
138°30
166°12"

posted May 02, 2012 02:34 PM            

I'm so excited about all the progress you have made while I have been gone. I have not read through all of it yet (LOL - It may take a while), but I see there have been sparks of genius, especially regarding the 13th harmonic!

As you have both pointed out, the 9th harmonic has been touted as a marriage aspect by some astrologers - this may be so but getting married does not necessarily equal twinflame.

My gut instinct still tells me that the harmonic series linked to TWINFLAME relationships must relate to the sacred geometry of the soul structure itself and I can't see the 9th featuring strongly in this (although it is important in other sacred structures). However, the 13th harmonic definitely DOES fit - it works with the Osiris/Isis myth, the geometry of soul structure ... and even .... as you have shown with the yin/yang symbolism of moon being related to 13 and sun to 1!!! And your research seems to be bringing up lots of "hits".

I'm going to look through all your new data and comments and will give you more feedback as soon as I can.

posted May 03, 2012 01:32 AM            

"On the composite; it seems that the conjunction and opposition are of utmost importance."

Are you referring only to the 1st harmonic aspects here? Thanks. I've a sneaky feeling this one's a dumb ques. but ... oh well ...

"On your Mary/Jessie-connection; it seems to be a very significant pairing, especially since it is tied to the nodal axis."

"the connection to the nodal axis gives it great importance for your path."

I tried to find an interp on this but didn't have much success. Would you mind explaining how the Mary/Jessie tie to the nodal axis has imp. for my/our path.

"Your Yeshua- your Maria are tied to his Atlantis, but that is not a "true tf-aspéct" in the sense that each person provides one tf-asteroid each.
It does have meaning though, in that apparently he triggers in you the potential to balance these sides, almost like some kind of catalyst."

Could you also explain my Mary/Yeshuhua tie to his Atlantis (basically your last comment above)

posted May 03, 2012 04:27 AM            

"As you have both pointed out, the 9th harmonic has been touted as a marriage aspect by some astrologers - this may be so but getting married does not necessarily equal twinflame."
That is what I thought, too!

It often is related to "joy, fulfillment, peace" and David Cochrane explains in his book "Astrology for the 21st century", which I have just started reading, that it relates to "one`s place in the community". The moment you get married you have a certain social status, with its responsibilities, and thus the 9th chart might be having a strong connection to one`s place in society, at least there is a "social touch".
Yesterday when iw as in the shower what came to my mind thinking about the 9th harmonic was "Connectedness", but not only on an individual level, it includes a social aspect as well.

"y gut instinct still tells me that the harmonic series linked to TWINFLAME relationships must relate to the sacred geometry of the soul structure itself and I can't see the 9th featuring strongly in this"
Yes, the same thought struck me as well.

" (although it is important in other sacred structures). "
Can you elaborate on this?

"However, the 13th harmonic definitely DOES fit - it works with the Osiris/Isis myth, the geometry of soul structure ... and even .... as you have shown with the yin/yang symbolism of moon being related to 13 and sun to 1!!! And your research seems to be bringing up lots of "hits"."
I was actually surprised when I found all this, but it seems to be very relevant.

posted May 04, 2012 01:41 AM            

"Are you referring only to the 1st harmonic aspects here?"
Yes.

"Would you mind explaining how the Mary/Jessie tie to the nodal axis has imp. for my/our path."
Why don´t you try it yourself?
The thing is that there are not many interpreations on asteroids out there.

Anyway just meditate upon the meaning of Mary/Jessie, what is the common theme of this pairing? What does the nodal axis signfy? What could it mean, if these are merged, unified, if the mary-Jessie-pairing becomes part of the nodal axis?

"Could you also explain my Mary/Yeshuhua tie to his Atlantis (basically your last comment above)"
Not exactly, because I am not sure how "Atlantis" works as a trigger other than an indication of past lives in Atlantis.
But it seems that through meeting him your own pairing of Mary/Yeshua is being triggered. A desire for spiritual communion maybe? To work together "for the greater good"?
Or maybe simply a sort of spiritual awakening and triggering the potential for balancing of Yin and Yang in your own soul (the potential is found in your individual chart, which has this aspect, it jsut needed to be "awaken").

posted May 05, 2012 03:05 AM            

"just meditate upon the meaning of Mary/Jessie, what is the common theme of this pairing? What does the nodal axis signfy? What could it mean, if these are merged, unified, if the mary-Jessie-pairing becomes part of the nodal axis?"

Thank you for nudging me to think in the right direction.

Here’s what I understand on the subject:

The Mary/Jessie theme is of twin flames-the coming together of yin and yang.

The nodal axis represents points where the Sun and Moon appear aligned from the earth representing the meeting of the solar, lunar, and material energies. In other words the nodes represent a merging of the soul (Sun), spirit (Moon), and the body (earth). So the nodes also represent the sacred marriage of the masculine and feminine principles. The nodal axis appears to direct us toward our soul’s purpose or the deeper reason for our existence. Even though the nodal points seem to be “time dependent,” with the SN connected to our past and the NN connected to our future, yet both points on the axis are equally active since eclipses (solar or lunar) occur on both the SN and NN.

So ... the Mary/Jessie trine in my synastry is a twin flame pairing. When merged or unified with the nodal axis (his SN/my NN), the above TF pairing becomes even more significant-like a DW of the merging of masculine/feminine principles in order to fulfill the soul’s deeper purpose. Add to this, his Vertex also in conjunction with my NN (Sabian for his Vertex-Mary and her little lamb), the TF theme becomes even more pronounced.

Additional: Based on all this, I can see how the nodal axis, in general represents a Sun/Moon conjunction-like a conjunction between the Sun/Moon planets themselves.

Any "holes" left in my understanding?

Your interp. of my Mary and Yeshua tie to his Atlantis makes sense.

posted May 05, 2012 03:27 AM            

RE: my Ariadne and Dionysus connection in synastry, you'd said-

"I do think however a "closed circuit/ aspect pattern" might be stronger as it is simultaneiously "hit" by outer influences like transits.

For example: that conjunction on about 12 Cancer will experience a major hit once Pluto will be on 12 Capricorn, it would of course be stronger if one of you or even both have a luminary, angle, nodal axis on 12 degrees of a sign as well (stronges if it was on the Cancer-Capricorn axis, but also the ARies-Libra Axis; the Taurus-Scorpio and Virgo-Pisces axis might react more smoothly to it, and the most insignificant, most subtle axis would be Gemini-Sagittarius and Leo-Aquarius due to the relation to semisextile/ quinkunx to the Cancer-Capricorn-axis)"

I just wanted to say that composite Asc is 10 Aries 45, and comp. Moon is at 12 Aries 17.

Also, my natal Vertex is at 13 Libra 24 and natal Moon is at 14 Tau 57.

I think all the above will be affected when Pluto gets to 12 Cap.

His Asc is at 15 Pisces 42 (but this is too far to be affected)

posted May 05, 2012 05:07 AM            

"The nodal axis represents points where the Sun and Moon appear aligned from the earth representing the meeting of the solar, lunar, and material energies. In other words the nodes represent a merging of the soul (Sun), spirit (Moon), and the body (earth). So the nodes also represent the sacred marriage of the masculine and feminine principles. The nodal axis appears to direct us toward our soul’s purpose or the deeper reason for our existence. Even though the nodal points seem to be “time dependent,” with the SN connected to our past and the NN connected to our future, yet both points on the axis are equally active since eclipses (solar or lunar) occur on both the SN and NN."
Perfect explanation f the nodal axis.

"So ... the Mary/Jessie trine in my synastry is a twin flame pairing. When merged or unified with the nodal axis (his SN/my NN), the above TF pairing becomes even more significant-like a DW of the merging of masculine/feminine principles in order to fulfill the soul’s deeper purpose."
I would see it the same way.

" Add to this, his Vertex also in conjunction with my NN (Sabian for his Vertex-Mary and her little lamb), the TF theme becomes even more pronounced."
Yes, but don`t forget the Vertex is a "kickstart" for things to happen, but you need other connections to maintain this (the nodal axis often seems to be more lasting, though not in every case of course).

"Additional: Based on all this, I can see how the nodal axis, in general represents a Sun/Moon conjunction-like a conjunction between the Sun/Moon planets themselves."
Yes, I`d think so.

posted May 05, 2012 05:13 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
I think all the above will be affected when Pluto gets to 12 Cap.

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I`m using one degree for transits, at least for the "serious timing". Weaker influences might be felt with wider orbs, but usually if you think you feel an orb of 3 or more degrees with transits, other things are in play simultaneously, like triggering midpoints, or triggering one planet within orb, and that aspect draws in another planet he is aspecting (but the orbs must still be close).

And as a matter of fact I only pay attention to conjunction, opposition and square.
And I only consider trines or sextiles if they are part of a pattern, which includeds at least one aspect that is conjunction, opposition and square.

For example:
I would NOT consider Tr Pluto being trine Venus, if that is an isolated aspect.