posted April 09, 2012 04:45 PM            

I am glad that you appreciate my feedback and are not feeling offended about my criticism concerning the septile. I was really worried there.

"I am learning such a lot from you."
Same here.
I love that thread and discussion, for it allows me and forces me to delve deeply into this subject and really think it through, which helps giving it more "substance" in my mind.
I also love that we are really having a dialogue here, listening, understanding each other`s perspective, and even if not agreeing totally, somehow coming to a deepened understanding through the discussion. It feels like we`re really achieving a real synthesis.
That is the kind of astrological conversation that is very precious to me, and I simply love it that our dialogue here is neither generalizing or glib nor patronizing in anyway.

posted April 09, 2012 04:48 PM            

thank you.

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:

Thank you both so much for putting out your theories and concepts, which to my astrologically untrained mind, all make sense.

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That is extremely important. At least to me. To make sense if I (or others) present my (their) ideas.

Actually from time to time I am talking to my aunt about astrological things (she is an open minded skeptic with a very good astronomical and mathematic understanding), and I know if I cannot explain it to her properly, or if I listen to myself speaking and suddenly it feels like I am not really making sense, I know it is time to begin from scratch one again.
Get back to ground Zero and start again.

posted April 09, 2012 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
What does Osiris conjunct North Node mean in Synastry then?

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I find it difficult to interprete it without any context. But generally speaking the divine masculine symbol (Osiris) is tied to the other ones lifepath.

posted April 09, 2012 08:12 PM            

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Originally posted by violet7887:
Thanks for the info Ceridwen,

My whole reality with him has kind of been werid. I coudlnt describe it if I tried. I feel magnetic towards him, havnt been able to stop thinking about him and Ive tried with all my heart to forget him but my emotions have never been stronger towards a single person in my entire life. Ever since I have met him i feel like wrid things happen, weird signs keeping happening when ever i have the thought of moving on. Its the first time in my life i feel helpless towards myself. I really dont know where all this love for him comes from, astrology was initially my attempt of trying to find out, to get some answers.

Do you think I feel this way about him becasue of all these aspects?...I just have to wonder what all this is sappose to mean for me, why someone was all of a sudden put in front of me but nothing has really become of it.I have never confessed anything to him, and either has he. I have had times when I was very close to but i fear he might not understand the kind of love I have for him. Its torture.

Thanks

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posted April 09, 2012 09:14 PM            

I just noticed that one of my posts disappeared and Ceridwen's reply to me has appeared under my name.

Anyway, I've let Randall know.

Meanwhile I think we should make sure that important information is not lost by perhaps copying on a word document or something prior to posting, in case stuff disappears.

My guess is that my post disappeared more than an hour after I'd posted it.

posted April 09, 2012 09:43 PM            

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Originally posted by violet7887:
Thanks ariesdragon

Thats exactly what I felt many times but at times I felt maybe he's not at the same level as me with it. idk, I wouldnt want to impose such deep love on him or make him feel bad about himself in any way if he didnt look at it the same. After a long time, Im kind of leaving it to, if its meant to happen it will.

Thank you though

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posted April 09, 2012 10:12 PM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
That is sooo sweet! You should tell him exactly how you feel and then that would make him comfortable to express himself too

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Yay! A male perspective and I second that wholeheartedly!

posted April 09, 2012 10:16 PM            

"Do you think I feel this way about him becasue of all these aspects?"

I think it is night time in Taineberry and Ceridwen's lands. I'm sure they'll get back to you.

Meanwhile, allow me to suggest something from a non astrological point of view (I'm myself learning to try and make sense of my own relationship at the moment).

What ariesdragon has said is right. You'll never know one way or another till you speak with him about it. If he says yea, go for it and see what comes of it. If he says nah, well, you'll know that at the very least he's not ready/not interested/whatever.

Taking this step will at least free you up mentally and emotionally to make a decision for yourself.

From the little I've come to understand so far, astrologically speaking, I think you do have some powerful connections with this man.

But we'd all like to have a crystal ball and know the outcome of things, right? Since we don't, we can only try and do what is best/most beneficial under the circumstances.
For you that would be to speak with him. Even if he doesn't understand your feelings for him, that is STILL an answer. For you to not waste your time anymore. I know it's easier said than done, specially when emotions can be so darn POWERFUL.

There's a book called "He's not that into you." I forget the author's name, but he wrote it for women. His favorite phrase and advice for women is "don't waste your pretty." He also says that if a guy's into you he'll let you know.

Ok some guys are a bit shy 'cause, like women, they also don't want to be rejected. And that's fine. If this person in your life is a bit shy, well you can make it easier for him by bringing up the subject yourself.

Suggest a walk during your lunch hour or eat lunch with him or something. See how he responds to just talking with you initially. If that goes well, say something more personal like you like him, etc. Go on from there.

You don't have to come clear with your deep feelings for him. At least not initially. Just take it one step at a time. Play it by ear based on his responses.

Hope this helps while you're waiting for astrological input. Also hope you don't mind my speaking with you. My heart just went out to you when I read your post and I wanted to offer some comfort.

posted April 09, 2012 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Violet 7887,

"Do you think I feel this way about him becasue of all these aspects?"

I think it is night time in Taineberry and Ceridwen's lands. I'm sure they'll get back to you.

Meanwhile, allow me to suggest something from a non astrological point of view (I'm myself learning to try and make sense of my own relationship at the moment).

What ariesdragon has said is right. You'll never know one way or another till you speak with him about it. If he says yea, go for it and see what comes of it. If he says nah, well, you'll know that at the very least he's not ready/not interested/whatever.

Taking this step will at least free you up mentally and emotionally to make a decision for yourself.

From the little I've come to understand so far, astrologically speaking, I think you do have some powerful connections with this man.

But we'd all like to have a crystal ball and know the outcome of things, right? Since we don't, we can only try and do what is best/most beneficial under the circumstances.
For you that would be to speak with him. Even if he doesn't understand your feelings for him, that is STILL an answer. For you to not waste your time anymore. I know it's easier said than done, specially when emotions can be so darn POWERFUL.

There's a book called "He's not that into you." I forget the author's name, but he wrote it for women. His favorite phrase and advice for women is "don't waste your pretty." He also says that if a guy's into you he'll let you know.

Ok some guys are a bit shy 'cause, like women, they also don't want to be rejected. And that's fine. If this person in your life is a bit shy, well you can make it easier for him by bringing up the subject yourself.

Suggest a walk during your lunch hour or eat lunch with him or something. See how he responds to just talking with you initially. If that goes well, say something more personal like you like him, etc. Go on from there.

You don't have to come clear with your deep feelings for him. At least not initially. Just take it one step at a time. Play it by ear based on his responses.

Hope this helps while you're waiting for astrological input. Also hope you don't mind my speaking with you. My heart just went out to you when I read your post and I wanted to offer some comfort.

I wish you lot's of love, luck, and happiness.

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posted April 09, 2012 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Yay! A male perspective and I second that wholeheartedly!

Where have you been AD??? I've been missing the laughter

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posted April 09, 2012 11:31 PM            

"Is it stable now? If not, I can close it to preserve the info, and y'all can start part 2."

It seems to be ok at the moment. No posts have disappeared in the past 2 hours (since I logged on. I'll check for the next 30 mins or so more before logging off.

So maybe, wait and see?

posted April 09, 2012 11:37 PM            

Ok, I'm relieved to hear from you. It's good that you're being so strong about it.

I know astrology can help us understand a lot of things, sometimes even prepare us in advance of things. Yeah, and definitely help with the emotional "insanity" that goes on with us sometimes.

posted April 09, 2012 11:44 PM            

So good to speak with you again!

posted April 09, 2012 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:

So hang in there! You're in good hands on LL.
Lotsa fabulously caring people here!

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posted April 10, 2012 12:03 AM            

Sun Cancer is the man I adore lol

posted April 10, 2012 12:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
^^^
Yep, loaded with Taurus (1st house too)

Sun Cancer is the man I adore lol

Gotta log off now, so goodnight, Violet. Sweet dreams.

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posted April 10, 2012 04:53 AM            

sorry this will not be a real reply to you but me being reminded of something by something you said. lol

" In our synastry chart, my Atlantis is right on his Saturn (conjunct by 1 degree)"
What house does saturn rule in his chart? 1st, 7th, 4th, 8th or 12th by any chance?

On itself it might indicate Karma stemming from Atlantic times. I think it is a very significant aspect. I have found Atlantis conjunct the nodal axis, Saturn, Vertex or Karma so often in synastries with people who had a strong influence on my spiritual, personal and emotional growth. Though it always felt as if I rather "remembered" something I had forgotten than discovered/ learned some new thing.
More a leading BACK to consciousness than a real awakening from unconsciousness.

"then the Atlantis person would recognize the Planet person first. Was just wondering would the planet person recognize the Atlanis person at all if ever? "
This is what reminded me of a strange dream I´ve had, which is as clear in my mind as it was back then.

That dream led me back to Atlantis or referring to things I did or didn`t do in Atlantis, though it did not take place IN Atlantis.
It took place in what felt like some kind of other realm, and it looked like within a church / cathedral though it was not dark like most cathedrals are but but bright and warm with golden light falling into it.
I did get the feeling though, that it cuold have been any other place as well. The cathedral was just there so my (sub)consciousness could somehow grasp the scene, like giving the dream a "setting" that I could relate to with my conscious mind as well.

There was a trial being held there. Though trial different from what trials usually are on earth, as me and especially the other, who was being predominantly put onto trial, were there on our free accord. I even had discussed it before with my mum and sister if I really wanted to go through with it and that i didn´t need to. But I felt the inner urge to do exactly that, not to be punished, but to make amends for what I had done.

What I had done, what WE had done, this man and me, was getting so enmeshed in our love for each other, only having eyes for each other, that we started to neglect our duty, and as cause of this people died (and I had the very strong image of Atlantis in my mind).
Of course neither of us really WANTED them to die, but we put our feelings for each other before anything else and it had horrible consequences for people. That was the "crime" we had been on trial about. Interestingly though the trial was mostly about him, as if I was less guilty.
I couldn´t accept that though, I felt that I was just as responsible, and besides where he went I was going, too. That`s how it had always been.
Anyway I was not alone in that dream, there was a guide with me, and there were three figures dressed in long robes and actually hooded, and I instinctively thought of them as "Avatars".
At that time I had not even KNOWN what an Avatar is; I had only heard it in relation to some silly computer games. lol

(actually I was describing this dream to someone and he told me that it sounded like a dream/ vision/ memory from the life between lives; something I never even had heard of before!).

Anyway, so the avatars weighed it all up and then spoke their verdict, though they did ask him, who was on trial, if he accepted the verdict, and I ahd the feeling he could have "quit" at any time. It was more like a suggestion they did, but in the end the decision was with him.

The verdict was that the two of us should be separated for .... years (I didn`t hear how many, cause the blood was rushing so loudly in my ears upon hearing the word "being separated", which seemed to be worse than death itself, and I am speaking of "soul-death") and should we cross paths again, we would not recognize each other fully and not at the same time. They did add though, that eventually we would fight our way back to recognition, but that we would have to learn to work for it, refine ourselves and value life and love of all kinds at any time. Until each of us had learned that separately, we would be apart from each other.

Well, I even saw the three souls that would be determinative of his current lifepath. One of them very upset with the verdict, especialy the outlook that eventually we WOULD find our way back. The other two souls, with whom he went, were radiating love and warmth and support though, and I knew they would care for him.

Well, he accepted the verdict voluntarily; I was not as agreeable, as the thought of separation was really really painful. Actually my guide had to pull me out of there, even out of this dream I think.

I know this was long here, but your sentence above reminded me of that dream.

posted April 10, 2012 05:15 AM            

"Ive tried with all my heart to forget him but my emotions have never been stronger towards a single person in my entire life."
Don`t try to forget him. your feelings are there for a reason. Besides the stronger you try to forget him, the stronger you focus on him and your feelings for him and the less able you are to forget him.
There is also no crime in having feelings for someone. Enjoy the knowledge that you can feel like this, but at best, detach from any kind of expectations.

Maybe you can also try a cutting cord meditation, to release old karma you have with him. And either he will disappear and your feelings for him as well, or he will stay in your life.
If he stays in your life, it`s either cause the meditationd idn`t work.lol or because there is a purpose for the PRESENT for YOU that he is in your life (and you in his probably as well).

"o you think I feel this way about him becasue of all these aspects?..."
Because of the Adonis-Aphrodite-Persephone theme?
Honestly, no.
These aspects indicate a theme, but I think this can only evolve like that on the ground of more basic aspects.

"I just have to wonder what all this is sappose to mean for me, why someone was all of a sudden put in front of me but nothing has really become of it."

Maybe you are not meant to become a couple (though I don`t know that of course). Maybe he has come into your life because you have to learn something important about yourself, your way of relating to people, and he becomes the catalyst for it.
Or maybe there`s more to it, and you DO have the chance of experiencing this love together.

You always have a choice.
I am just reading a book about the readings of Edgar Cayce who was saying a lot about the Akashic records. And what captured my attention was how in his readings it seems like there is no one sealed fate. It is more like there are several possible lifelines and options and we have a choice to do this or to not do this, and depending on our choice the rest pans out (until the next choice).

It is not totally free either, but in some respects we do have options.
He mentions for example that he saw what would have become of him and his wife if they hadn´t married (well they had died a lot earlier for once), but that tells me that there was a choice involved.

I think the important thing about our choices is that we need to evolve further, enhancing personal growth, and at the same time stay authentic to ourself.

posted April 10, 2012 12:49 PM            

I LOVED your reply to Violet!

First, it's good to meet someone else who has an active , vivid dream life, and who gets "messages" from the Universe. I do too , ever since I was a little girl.

Second, I loved the flow of your thoughts in your reply. There is so much profundity in the way you interpret things, that it is the hallmark of a penetrating mind.

Taineberry's mind is similarly penetrating and keen. I could listen to you both all day long and never get tired.

I'm sure Violet will appreciate the depth and scope of your response. It encapsulates so much that one can learn from.

Third, since my own dream life is so vivid and meaningful, your "Atlantis" dream is significant I feel. And if the twin flame theory is true (within or without astrology),
then it is my strong desire that the one in your dream is united with you in this life. I feel there is a strong possibility of that happening, otherwise why would you have the dream in this life? I think the info in the dream is perhaps to "prepare" you for that union (at least that is my strong hope for you).

Do you remember that on the "Neptune" or "Chiron" thread I had said to you that I can sense your energy and I feel you are of spiritual "high" energy? Well, everything you're revealing about yourself astrologically and otherwise, is showing the same.

I feel Taineberry is also of high spiritual energy (have known it from my very first communication with her on LL).

This is why I love both your minds. I believe our mind (including the different levels of consciousness) is the principle tool to connect with our souls. I believe both of you are very connected to your souls.

And because of this connectedness, both of you can pull off what could be a potentially charged astrological discussion fraught with individual egos, into something cerebral, intellectual, along with a huge dollop of kindness, consideration, and RESPECT for each other.

To my mind you two are interacting at a level of the human spirit rarely seen.

Thank you for listening even though I hardly have any astrological input.

If Mr. Pisces moon saw my posts he would say, "Yep **insert endearment,** this is true to form. Every time your lips move you write a book"

posted April 10, 2012 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Is it stable now? If not, I can close it to preserve the info, and y'all can start part 2.

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So Randall, I just had a thought erupt from my technologically untrained mind and I wanted to share it with you.

Given the mucho importance of this thread in terms of info, effort, and time put forth by a couple of our best astrologers, would it be possible to make a duplicate of this thread periodically (one that you can periodically lock down when you're done copying), so that if we lose parts of the original, the entire thread can be replaced by the copy?

Or would that be trying to catch your nose from around your head?

Just asking, while preemptively feeling embarrassed at the potential idiocy of my thought

posted April 10, 2012 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, ADonis-Inannen could predominantly point towards a past life line in Ancient Sumeria together.

Adonis-Aphrodite/Venus might not be a "real" soulmate pairing, or one of the secondary ones, but it is very steamy, very sensual.
personally I love the Adonis-Venus-combo. Attraction is very strong with this one, and predominantly sexual or sensual.

What you describe about your relationship definitely sounds like possible TWin flame stuff or at least soulmates with a strong spiritual connection (well all soulmates have,b ut here the spiritual connection seems to manifest in very conscious ways on the physical plane as well).

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Just to clarify, Ceridwen, I'm gonna repost the main aspects here (since my original post is gone).

Synastry:
His 7H Adonis at 8 Libra 41’ opposes my Innanen at 8 Aries 10’ (exact)-31 min
And quincunxes my chart ruler Venus at 24 Tau 41’ (1 deg)

My Adonis at 23 Libra 56’ trines his Aphrodite at 24 Gem 36’ (exact)-40 min

Composite:
7H Adonis at 16 Libra 18’ trines Ishtar at 17 Aquarius 20’ (1 deg 2 min)

When you say,"personally I love the Adonis-Venus-combo. Attraction is very strong with this one, and predominantly sexual or sensual," you are referring to his 7H Adonis quincunxing my chart ruler Venus (1 deg), versus his Adonis opposing my Innanen, or my Adonis trining his Aphrodite, right?

Or, are you also referring to composite 7H Adonis trine Ishtar? I mean is Ishtar also synonymous with Venus?