posted April 10, 2012 03:36 PM            

Just to recap (I think we are on the same page as far as this is concerned, but for the benefit of those who are not) the whole theory goes something like this : I am not sure how many soul groups there are, but each is a divine emanation containing 12 groups of 12 Monads. Each of the Monads within a soul group is divided into 12 Soul Clusters called containing 6 sets (pairs) of Twin Souls which combine to form one Oversoul. You and your twin flame are one of these pairs in your Primary Cluster, the other 5 pairs being your primary soul mates or near twins. The other members in your Monad are your secondary soul mates, but at the end of the day we are all soulmates as we all emanate from the one source and are an expression of the One in all its variety.

So how does the septile fit in? Remember that each TwinFlame forms the yin and yang expression of One Soul. In the divine realm this One Soul encompasses a dual consciousness with individual identities resonating perfectly with itself - one half of the consciousness predominantly active, the other predominantly receptive. They are not separate as they reside in the same spiritual field - being one awareness split into two conscious parts that can experience its own wholeness from two different persepectives and become a creative force in its own right.
However in the material realm the One Soul (the twinflame) generates 6 additional bodies in order to become manifest or incarnate. Each half of the TwinSoul generates a completely separate physical, emotional and mental body – one of each attached to each half of the twin soul – ie. 3 bodies each. But all 6 are resonating with the same “soulstuff” from the original one. Imagine that the soulstuff of the spiritual twin flame is a green marble which holographically projects itself into a male and female incarnation on earth. You will have 2 separate entities which have different experiences and different biological forms, but each of the pair’s three bodies are animated by three identical green marbles. Ie. 7 marbles altogether. One in the centre and three encompassing this on either side which fuse and join around the one which is their source. If you use any number of marbles smaller than 7, you won’t be able to make an encompassing circle around the central circle where all the marbles can touch each other.

You can’t do it with 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12 either. But you can do it with 13 (which is also a prime number, like 7), but this time in a 3 D way, like a small orb surrounded by a big one. Interesting ... because as you see above each Monad consists of 12 Primary Clusters (made up of 6 twinsouls each which in turn combine to form One Oversoul) made from the essence of One Central Monad Soul. 12+1=13. Another perfect circle within a circle. Or you could look at it as a honeycomb.

So the 7th and 13th harmonics may be special for twinflames. They relate to our soul structure.

I am still open to correction, as I don't personally have a vested interest in this aspect as I don't have it with anyone. It just fascinates me from a theoretical pov.

Moving along ... I do think that your idea about conjunctions and oppositions holds a lot of water, as it expresses the yin/yang polarity much more directly. As we know in life, there is more than one way to say the same thing, and an opp/conj is certainly a much more direct way of describing the the concept of polarity in twinflames (without using marbles) - so I can totally accept it also as a valid way to determine a twinflame relationship (as well my septiles .. heehee). There may be others too – any more ideas?

And, yep, upon reflection I do think I was a bit “off” about the AC’s having to be conjunct – I think any hard aspect will be valid. As for the rest of your post, I am still working through it but it looks GOOOOOD.

posted April 10, 2012 04:36 PM            

So are you now of the opinion that hard aspects other conjunctions and oppositions should not be considered for twin flame theory?

"And I totally resonated with your Atlantis “dream” ... wow, that got my attention! A dream or a memory??"

posted April 10, 2012 04:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Aargh, AD..... You need your bottom spanked!

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posted April 10, 2012 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
hen it is my strong desire that the one in your dream is united with you in this life. I feel there is a strong possibility of that happening, otherwise why would you have the dream in this life? I think the info in the dream is perhaps to "prepare" you for that union (at least that is my strong hope for you).

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That is very kind of you, but bluntly spoken it is impossible, and when waking up I was SHOCKED and almost HORRIFIED when I realized WHOM it was I had been having this dream about.

About Taineberry, yes, I absolutely enjoy this discussion here, because noone feels the need to preach or is getting defensive as it can happen sooften.
But yes, I think the secret ingredience is respect and openmindedness.

posted April 10, 2012 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:

Synastry:
His 7H Adonis at 8 Libra 41’ opposes my Innanen at 8 Aries 10’ (exact)-31 min
And quincunxes my chart ruler Venus at 24 Tau 41’ (1 deg)

My Adonis at 23 Libra 56’ trines his Aphrodite at 24 Gem 36’ (exact)-40 min

Composite:
7H Adonis at 16 Libra 18’ trines Ishtar at 17 Aquarius 20’ (1 deg 2 min)

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Oh when I say Adonis-Venus I also think of Aphrodite.
Of course Venus/Aphrodite is the Roman-Greco form of Ishtar, but there are certain distinct difference, like Inannen/Ishtar is very strongly related to the "Sacred Marriage ritual" as a fertility rite, that had been done by the regent and the highpriestess.
At least in my case I feel that Inannen/Isthar might indicate my participation in such a ritual in a past life (well, two past lives actually, one in Babylon, one in either Ireland or England).

Venus/Aphrodite is somehow more "down to earth", more directly relating to sexual magnetism, but not necessarily with these spiritual/ ritual overtones Inannen/Isthar have.

Anyway I was referring to the whole actually. It`s definitely a theme.
The Aphrodite/Adonis trine is what captured my attention and then seeing all these other aspects adding to it.

posted April 10, 2012 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
No, I am confused about the aspect thing right now. I have a hunch that squares (and certain other aspects) are also valid, but I need to get my head around the harmonic logic behind "why".

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posted April 10, 2012 05:58 PM            

you really make my mind work hard.

And yes interestingly we are talking about the exact same conception of soulclusters and twinflames. Interesting I say because it seems that so many people here have a different take on it, but you described the same concept I had in mind.

"In the meantime, I still think there is something important about septiles,"
Yes, it might be. Septiles are intriguing aspects. Funnily my own Sun is septile my Moon (distance is: 51°10). lol

but that aside I am just not totally convinced that these aspects are really indicative of twinflames. But I keep my mind open to it and will integrate it into my checklist and check if it occurs in those examples I am pretty sure of.

I also think it probably depends on how we derive aspects. Are we basing them on harmonic theory? Or are we basing them on the sequence of the signs in a zodiac?

I have my phases when I subscribe more to the harmonic theory, and at other times to the other. So for me the last word has not yet been spoken about it.

Maybe both approaches are valid.

"So how does the septile fit in? Remember that each TwinFlame forms the yin and yang expression of One Soul."

I am referring to the graphic here in this link under soulgroups http://www.angelfire.com/ct3/ascension/spiritualtwin.html

We can see here that each Higher Self contains / covers 6 sets of twinflame-pairs; 6 Yin and 6 Yang pairs. So it becomes clear how the numbers 7 and 13 relate to that, though I am not totally sure if the Higher Self should be counted as an additional number, but if we see it as the guiding presence, well, maybe it can.

Anyway, in this coneption it means that actually all Yang pairings and all Yin pairings added together will be twinflames to each other.
It also means that only if ALL 6 sets of one-level-twinflames reunite there will be a true reunion of twinflames.

Is that what you mean?
I can see how the 7th and 13th harmonic relate to the whole twinflame-group, but I am still unsure if it relates directly to the two individuals that are direct twinflames to each other. ACtually in this respect the 2nd or 3rd harmonic (for their individual twinflame-unit, which is only one of 6 in their soulcluster) would be important as well.
Which interestingly brings us to the opposition and the trine. lol

For me it seems the 7th and 13th harmonic relates to the whole cluster, which of course includes the single sets of direct twinflames.

Can I make myself understandable here? Or have I lost everyone? lol

"So the 7th and 13th harmonics may be special for twinflames. They relate to our soul structure."
Yes I agree, especially in terms of the whole soulcluster.

I still find it also relevant considering that there are 7 main chakras, 7 main planets!

I find it also interesting considering the Isis-osiris-myth, as Osiris` body was being cut and split into 14 parts (well if it had been 12 or 13 it might have been even more interesting. lol).

I did however risk a glance at my own 7th harmonic chart, which interestingly sports a conjunction of Sun on 29 Taurus and Moon on 1 Gemini. (because they are septile in the radix, the first harmonic).
And I glanced at the 7th harmonic of the guy I have had that strange dream of.
In his 7th ATLANTIS is on 2 Gemini conjunct my Sun and Moon!
(this means of course there is a septile-type of aspect chaing between my Sun and Moon and his Atlantis).
Plus his 7th EROS is opposite my 7th Psyche.
But I disgress.

"Moving along ... I do think that your idea about conjunctions and oppositions holds a lot of water, as it expresses the yin/yang polarity much more directly. "
That was what I was thinking.
Maybe both theories can be combined. Maybe if we look at it harmonically, the conjunction relates to the 1st harmonic (the radix) and the opposition to the 2nd harmonic. Well, two become one, don´t they?

" A dream or a memory?? Ceri, there is something so special about you."
Thank you. But you are just as special. Maybe I am just sharing too many things others would keep secret.

As to the dream, it actually was not the end.
The guide who was with me pulled me into another dream, which REALLY terrified me.

That "guide" was still with me, and we were looking at a long passage, and in the distance I could see this guy, and he was actually on his knees, and I went down to my knees, too, to crawl closer. I`m not sure why we were crawling on the floor
like animals, but we did.
I was glad to see him, I looked at the right side of his face, and it
was very beautiful, but the left side was in the dark, somehow hidden in
shadows. Curiously, I crawled closer, and then when I had a closer look,
I startled back, terrified, because the left side of his face was somehow distorted, there was a deep, dark wound on his cheek, with dark red blood shining through. I was terrified; not only
because this wound looked painful, but more because it looked so raw, primal,
almost like an animal had caused it.

I hastily got up and wanted to leave, but this guide behind me didn`t let me and he said:
"Didn`t you want to know the truth?"
And I said: "This is not the truth. He`s not like this. I am not like
this." Then I moved my hand upwards and touched my own cheek, and felt
the same deep wound I had seen on him, which horrified me even more.

It was very strange. And this dream happened such a long time ago (2007), and yet it is still as vivid as back then, like burned into the insides of my skull. lol

I have not even been trying to interprete it.

posted April 10, 2012 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Gotcha. Sorry, Didn't mean to rush ya

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4 seasons?
4 quadrants in the horoscope?
4 cardinal angles?
4 elements?

EDIT:
This was actually referring to Taineberry`s mentioning of the square.

4 tasks of Psyche?

posted April 10, 2012 06:59 PM            

So, from a lay person's pov, I understand (upon several readings ) what you are both trying to say. I get the importance of the 7th and 13th harmonics.

Just a side ques. here-would the 14th harmonic, which is related to the 7th harmonic have any relevance?

Anyway, to continue-I'm also unsure of how this concept could relate to 2 individual twinflames separate from the remaining 5 pairs.

Unless, in each set of 6 only 1 pair is supposed to unite while the remaining 5 pairs assist in some way.

Just throwing it out there. What do you think?

posted April 11, 2012 03:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Taineberry, I'd like a crack at interpreting Ceridwen's dream if I may, even though it's a bit (ok, quite a bit) tangential to the topic at hand.

Ceridwen, hope that's ok with you, since it is your dream.

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sure.

posted April 11, 2012 03:38 AM            

I am glad you could relate to my first.

Judging from your description the experience surrounding that guy sounds really deep and like happening at a very pivotal point in your life.

"his existence, that is a starting, ending and ongoing point at how I experience things from now on. This might be hard to grasp, but I don’t know how to put it in better words ."
Sometimes we meet people or have certain experiences and we know deep inside that there is no going back to the old after this anymore, like a new stage in our life has begun.
To me it sometimes feels like being born while you are already alive.

"I will move along my way and let his energy stay with me in my spirit."
Yes. I also agree, we can do nothing better than going with the flow, which is one of my greatest lessons as I like to somehow control the outcome of any given situation because of a false sense of emotional security. But I am working on it, being in the moment is my very personal lesson for now.

"I felt heart quenching angst when I read this part of your post"
Yes, that was pretty close to what I felt.

posted April 11, 2012 02:37 PM            

I`ve been giving the septile a bit thought and especially the 7th harmonic chart, and also the meaning of the fact that Osiris was being cut into 14 parts (I do not believe numbers to be "coincidental" in myths; they usually represent something, it is just not easy to find out what that is).

The number 14 would appear as opposition in the 7th harmonic, so I´d think this might be important.

On the other hand, ISIS actually found 13 pieces of Osiris, the 14th was gone. After he was reensembled he became God over the underworld and was usually in spirit, while ISIS stayed on the way of the living, the material plane.
OSIRIS did however return to earth from time to time to be with ISIS and also to assist her train their son HORUS. She conceived HORUS, even though Osiris Phallus was lost, so Horus actually had been born after a spiritual conception, or maybe the merging of spiritual and physical.
Also, after his resurrection OSIRIS was seen as simultaneiously dead and alive, which could be ´considered that he had access to the spiritual AND the physical plane, though he visited earth just to reunite with ISIS.
In some versions Horus is seen as his reincarnation.

Anyway I was thinking if somehow this myth fit the theory of monads and twinflames.

But the only way I can see is that ISIS and OSIRIS might represent the mother and father god, the very beginning and spark of creation. And the 13 pieces of Osiris that have to be reassembled for the union between them to take place, would be the Higher Self and the 6 twinflame pairs.

and only if all these 6 pairs get reunited with each other and harmonize with their Higher Self, they manifest the complete ISIS/OSIRIS-union.
Though probably even if only one pair of twinflames within thta soulcluster reunites, it would be like a reflection of that coming together of Isis and Osiris.
Though I find it puzzling that it is Osiris that is being split into 14 pieces, and that Isis has to make him complete before they can reunite. I wonder what implications that has for soulconnections in a practical sense.

I was also wondering, since Horus is the son and result of the union between Isis and Osiris, would he represent our Higher Self and guide or some bridging/ connecting element between the Higher self and the whole soulcluster to the source?

posted April 11, 2012 04:09 PM            

I am also checking some clebrity 7th harmonic charts see what comes up.
(only aspects count, signs and houses don´t, as this chart is simply highlighting the aspects; aspects of the septile family appear as conjunctions, and a septile with 1 degree orb in the natal, would appear as a 7 degree conjunction in the 7th harmonic).

Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning
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his ASC conjunct her Venus
his ASC widely conjunct her DESC (a bit over 7 degrees)
her ASC conjunct his Atlantis exact

his IC conjunct her Atlantis and NN

his Sun and Neptune conjunct her Karma

her Pluto opposite his Osiris

his NN conjunct her Saturn wide
his SN conjunct her Valentine wide
her SN conjunct his Jupiter

his Karma conjunct her Osiris
her Karma conjunct his Valentine

his Eros opposite her Atlantis
his Eros conjunct her SN

his Isis conjunct her Saturn

Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward
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his ASC Conjunct her Atlantis the first one had this as well!
her DESC conjunct his Pluto
her ASC conjunct his Karma exact

his IC conjunct her Karma and Osiris
her IC conjunct his Psyche

his Sun conjunct her Neptune
his Moon opposite her Neptune
his Sun opposite her Saturn
his Moon conjunct her saturn

her Sun conjunct his Psyche

his ATlantis conjunct her Psyche
her Atlantis opposit her Osiris

his NN conjunct her Juno
his SN conjunct her Eros and Pluto

my parents
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his DESC conjunct her Venus

her MC conjunct his Juno
her IC conjunct his Jupiter

his ATlantis conjunct her Chiron
his Atlantis opposite her Osiris

his Sun conjunct her Juno
his Moon opposite her Jupiter

his NN conjunct her Mars
his SN Conjunct her SAturn
her NN conjunct his Juno
her SN conjunct his Jupiter

his Karma and Eros conjunct her Neptune
his Karma and ERos opposite her Valentine
her Karma conjunct his ATlantis

his Osiris opposite her Isis
his Isis opposite her Osiris

posted April 11, 2012 07:56 PM            

You know this world couldn't function without my brilliance right?

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Hope I'll be able to sleep

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