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Topic: The Heiros Gamos : Osiris conjunct Isis- synastry
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 16212 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 01:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by Linda Jones: OMG! Guys, I found another one! I don't know how I'd missed this one (it's been on my spread sheet for a few days now and I kept overlooking it)Ceridwen, you mentioned Dionysos/Bacchus-Ariadne to Sorcha (and even in your thread under the same name-which I have to go back and re-read carefully now). Here's what I have: My Dionysus at 12 Cancer 33 is conjunct his Ariadne at 13 Cancer 02 (exact-29 min)! AND my Ariadne at 4 Gem 29 is sextile his Dionysus at 6 Leo 23 (1 deg 54 min). Is this too wide for a sextile? Does the pairing work if it is my yang with his yin? What is even more interesting is that I found our composite Giza at 14 Cancer 24 which is conjunct to our natal Dionysus/Ariadne conjunction (less than 2 deg away). Is there any connection bet. Giza and Dionysus/Bacchus-Ariadne? Thanks.
I think the Dionysos/Ariadne-conjunction is very relevant. This pairing shares similiarities with other pairings we`ve discussed here in that Ariadne was a mortal and became immortal through her marriage with Dionysos. Also in some versions she is being resurrected.
Anyway, it is Dionysos who finds her sleeping and falls in love with ehr instantly, so I think it would be the Dionysos-partner who first gains awareness of the special relationship. Giza is an interesting asteroid in that it is related to Atlantis. Other than I think Atlantis is always important for twinflames (and maybe to a lesser degree Giza, too), there is no connection of Giza to Dionysos/Ariadnes. As for the other asteroids, well honestly, there will always be a bunch of asteroids falling onto a certain placement. I pay attention to them when they stem from the same mythological background, carry a similiar theme or seem to work in generic ways like "Karma" for example. The others have of course their meaning, too, but we have to keep a perspective in applying asteroids or we will get swamped in a lot of detail losing the ability to see "what it`s all about". EDIT: BTW is your Dionysos/Ariadne connected with Sun, Moon, ASC, nodal axis, Venus, or ruler of aSC/DESC in your chart? EDIT 2: It seems that Siva and Parvati are a Hindu representation of an inner sacred marriage.
"At the deepest level, the marriage of Shiva and Parvati is symbolic of the inner sacred marriage: the union of heart and mind, of life energy and spirit. On a relational level, it is also a kind of prototype for a marriage of two strong people—complete with fiery quarrels, in which Parvati holds her own." http://www.yogajournal.com/wisdom/2617?page=2 IP: Logged |
Taineberry Knowflake Posts: 850 From: Registered: Jun 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 07:44 AM
To revisit what seems to have emerged so far in “the Heiros Gamos theory” combining what everyone has contributed and applying to Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward (This was not an exhaustive check, just what I could find easily – so there may be more). SUN – MOON FACTORS • The sun/moon should be mirrored in the individual charts resulting in a conjunction or opposition in the COMPOSITE chart……….. Paul and Joanne have a sun/moon conjunction in the composite. • AND/OR • There should be a strong aspect in SYNASTRY relating the 1st to 7th harmonics (conj, opp, trine, square, quintile, sextile, septile) ………. Paul and Joanne have Sun conjunct Moon in synastry relating to the 1st harmonic. TWINFLAME PAIRINGS • These are identified as being : Osiris/Isis; Adonis/Innanen, Astarte, Ishtar or Venus; Eros/Psyche; Ariadne/Bacchus or Dionysis; Siva/Pavarti or Kaali (perhaps others too : Solomin/Sheba?) • There should be at least one twinflame mirrored aspect in the individual charts resulting in a conjunction or opposition in the COMPOSITE ……….. (not sure about this for Paul and Joanne) • AND/OR • There should be at least one strong aspect in SYNASTRY between a twinflame pair relating to the 1st to 7th harmonics (conj, opp, trine, square, quintile, sextile, septile ….. Paul and Joanne have quite a few of these, some obvious one’s being Eros conjunct Psyche, Dionysus quincunx Ariadne; Solomin quincunx Sheba, Isis/Osiris square Isis. ATLANTIS • Asteroid Atlantis should feature strongly in synastry via less than 3 deg conjunction, opposition, trine, square or quincunx to sun, moon, venus, nodes, angles or a twinflame asteroid featured in a synastry pairing…… Paul’s Atlantis conjunct Joanne’s Osiris and Psyche (there may be more, haven’t checked properly) NODES • Nodes should feature strongly in synastry via less than 3 deg conjunction, opposition, trine, square or quincunx to sun, moon, venus, nodes or angles. …. His sun squ her NN. ANGLES • Should be in aspect to each other in synastry – either conjunct, opposite or square. Alternatively, the sun or moon should be conjunct, opposite or square the angles……His moon opp her MC. 7th HARMONIC • Should be plenty of conjunctions or oppositions here between luminaries, angles, nodes, atlantis and twinflame asteroids. Ceri found : • his ASC Conjunct her Atlantis her DESC conjunct his Pluto her ASC conjunct his Karma exact • his IC conjunct her Karma and Osiris her IC conjunct his Psyche • his Sun conjunct her Neptune his Moon opposite her Neptune his Sun opposite her Saturn his Moon conjunct her saturn • her Sun conjunct his Psyche • his ATlantis conjunct her Psyche her Atlantis opposit her Osiris • his NN conjunct her Juno his SN conjunct her Eros and Pluto CERI - please crit this and let me know what I should have added or left out.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 16212 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 09:53 AM
Tainberry, I love your structured approach! I was meaning to ask you for us to compile it all together and put it into a practically applicable form, and you already did that! Like always I have a few questions. For example: why do you allow the quinkunx, but not the sextile? The quinkunx and the sextile have some traits in common; both connect signs which are different ALL OVER THE PLACE (Different elements and different modes; just that the quinkunx connects incompatible elements, and the sextile compatible) Actually I one made a list of these aspects; I am going to list these, maybe someone finds it useful (and if not, just ignore it. ):
conjunction: -------------- same element same modality number resonance / harmonic: ONE opposition: --------------- different compatible element same modality resonance/ harmonic: TWO trine: ------- same element different modality resonance: THREE
square: -------- different incompatible element same modality resonance: FOUR
sextile: ---------- different compatible element different modality resonance: SIX
quinkunx: ------------ different incompatible element different modality resonance: TWELVE (30°x 5)
the septile of course cannot be seen from the signbackground,b ut the resonance is: SEVEN (the combination of SPIRIT/HEAVEN (THREE) and MATTER/EARTH (FOUR).
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Taineberry Knowflake Posts: 850 From: Registered: Jun 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 10:13 AM
Ah yes, of course .... you are quite right. Sextile should also be included if we are to be consistent!!!!IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 16212 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 10:27 AM
"SUN – MOON FACTORS •Paul and Joanne have a sun/moon conjunction in the composite. " orb: 6 degrees "• There should be a strong aspect in SYNASTRY relating the 1st to 7th harmonics (conj, opp, trine, square, quintile, sextile, septile)" Why the quintile?
" ………. Paul and Joanne have Sun conjunct Moon in synastry relating to the 1st harmonic." orb is: 6°24 Which brings me to my question: what kind of orb do you allow? "TWINFLAME PAIRINGS • These are identified as being : Osiris/Isis; Adonis/Innanen, Astarte, Ishtar or Venus; Eros/Psyche; Ariadne/Bacchus or Dionysis; Siva/Pavarti or Kaali (perhaps others too : Solomin/Sheba?)" Yes, I just yesterday stumbled over Solomin/ Sheba and the mentioning of their sacred marriage. If we allow Adonis-Venus, we need to include Aphrodite as well. I am not sure though there has been a cult on these two. The rituals would have anchored them more strongly into the collective psyche. "• There should be at least one strong aspect in SYNASTRY between a twinflame pair relating to the 1st to 7th harmonics (conj, opp, trine, square, quintile, sextile, septile ….." I am wondering if ONE is enough though. Also I tend to want to keep the orbs tight here, right about 2 degrees. Though IF there are let´s say 2 twinflame aspects within tight orb, others might have a wider allowance. Also, I`d want to see at least one twinflame aspect on each harmonic, 1st AND 7th. Eros conjunct Psyche 'Where do you see an Eros-Psyche-conjunction?
I do see that his 1st Eros and her 7th Psyche are in the same sign, but the orb would be over 16 degrees! Dionysus quincunx Ariadne: 1°34 (1st)
Solomin quincunx Sheba: not seeing this either Isis/Osiris square Isis.: hmm can you post the degrees? I fail to see these aspects. "ATLANTIS • Asteroid Atlantis should feature strongly in synastry via less than 3 deg conjunction, opposition, trine, square or quincunx" Why did you leave out the sextile here? " to sun, moon, venus, nodes, angles or a twinflame asteroid featured in a synastry pairing…… " Other than that I would like to see a linked twinflame asteroid couple through Atlantis. Like: his Atlantis conjunct her Isis, her Atlantis opposite his Osiris. "Paul’s Atlantis conjunct Joanne’s Osiris and Psyche (there may be more, haven’t checked properly)" Well, I wouldn`t count the conjunction to her Osiris (5° is too wide for an asteroid, of course this is just my opinion). Should that be present in 7th harmonic, too? NODES "• Nodes should feature strongly in synastry via less than 3 deg conjunction, opposition, trine, square or quincunx to sun, moon, venus, nodes or angles. …. His sun squ her NN." Yes, I agree with that.
"ANGLES • Should be in aspect to each other in synastry – either conjunct, opposite or square. Alternatively, the sun or moon should be conjunct, opposite or square the angles……His moon opp her MC." Hmm, I have that aspect as a trine for Paul and Joanne. Makes sense though. My friends, who very much seem like a twinflame couple, do not have ASC`s in hard aspect to each other, but his Sun is EXACTLY conjunct her IC. (conjunctions of anglerulers to angles, and maybe even the square, seem to be quite strong as well) "7th HARMONIC • Should be plenty of conjunctions or oppositions here between luminaries, angles, nodes, atlantis and twinflame asteroids." I agree, but how many are "plenty"? "Ceri found : " I did?
Personally I would add a tight aspect between the rulers of 1st, 7th and 8th (and maybe 2nd) to each other and to the ASC/DESC-axis.
His intercepted 8th house ruler conjuncts her ASC (2 degrees).
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Taineberry Knowflake Posts: 850 From: Registered: Jun 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 10:34 AM
I think I may be working with the wrong birthdata for them! eek! Can you post their data so I can redo it.I will do another draft based on your latest input as soon as I get a chance. BTW - as far as orbs are concerned, I thought 2-3 degs max, except for aspects between the luminaries where 6 is acceptable due to their powerful influence??? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 16212 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 10:36 AM
BTW on the quinkunx and sextile: Do you reduce the orbs for these, or are you using the same orb as for the other aspects?IP: Logged |
Taineberry Knowflake Posts: 850 From: Registered: Jun 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 10:39 AM
Between sun and moon -- conj and opp ONLY at 6 degrees. The rest 2-3 degrees? What do you think?IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 16212 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 11:55 AM
Sounds reasonable to me. Would you count a sextile with 1°59 of his Moon to her Sun in 1st harmonic?Do you consider aspects in the same harmonic or do you also note aspects from 7th harmonic back to the radix? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 16212 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 01:51 PM
I checked my friends synastry, but cut the orbs a bit:conjunction / opposition: 3 degrees, all others under 2 degrees. (there are just too many possibilities that aspects can exist). SUN/MOON-factor --------------- Sun conjunct Moon (3.3) in composite
TWINFLAME-pairing ------------------- composite: Solomin opposite Sheba widely (3.1)
additional: Adonis trine Aphrodite (0.5)
1st harmonic (Radix): °her Adonis quinkunx his Astarte (0.5) (there were some over 2 degrees, too) ° her Siva sextile his parvati (0.2) ° her Isis square his Osiris (0.3) 7th harmonic: ° her Adonis quinkunx his Inannen (1.1) his Adonis opposite her Astarte (1.2) his Adonis trine her Aphrodite (0.2)
° his Eros trine her Psyche (0.3) ° his Ariadne square her Bacchus (1.5) ° her Siva sextile his Parvati (1.3) ATLANTIS --------- composite: only wide aspects to soulmate pairings, like Atlantis quinkunx Solomin (2.5) Atlantis sextile Aphrodite (3.0) Atlantis opposite Adonis (3.5)
1st harmonic: ° her Atlantis trine his Moon (1.1) her Atlantis square his Node (2.1) his Atlantis trine her ASC (0.3)
her Atlantis conjunct his Ishtar (2.0), (trine her Adonis) 7th harmonic: ° her Atlantis square his MC (0.3)
° her Atlantis quinkunx his Eros (0.5) his Atlantis square her Psyche (1.2) (making for an almost exact Pythagorean triangle or mystical triangle between both Atlantis-positions, his Eros and her Psyche) NODES -------- 1st harmonic: no conjunction or square in reasonable orb
7th harmonic: his NOde square her Venus (1.2) Angle ------- 1st harmonic: no direct aspect between angles ° his Sun conjunct her IC (0.2) 7th harmonic: ° her ASC conjunct his IC (3.0) ° her IC squar ehis ASC (0.5) ° his Sun conjunct her IC (2.1)
7th harmonic conjunctions/oppositions ------------------------------------- her Sun opposite his Aphrodite (0.4) her AStarte opposite his Adonis (1.2) her Siva conjunct his ASC (1.2) her ASC conjunct his IC (3.0) her IC conjunct his Sun (2.1) her MC conjunct his Venus (3.1)
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Linda Jones Knowflake Posts: 1768 From: Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 23, 2012 02:58 PM
Ceridwen.Thank you for clarifying my queries. "BTW is your Dionysos/Ariadne connected with Sun, Moon, ASC, nodal axis, Venus, or ruler of aSC/DESC in your chart?" I will look this up and post. "It seems that Siva and Parvati are a Hindu representation of an inner sacred marriage."
I agree completely. And was actually going to mention this yesterday since it has been on my mind. It is my understanding that the Hindu enactment of the Heiros Gamos is through Tantra. Since the Indus Valley civilization dates as far back as the 6th century B.C. it is considered the oldest, or at least on par with the Egyptian civilization in terms of time. Together these 2 are the oldest civilizations in the world. Also, I watched a documentary in which Sheba and Solomin date back to 1000 yrs B.C. while Shiva and Parvati go as far back as 6000 yrs. B.C. And their love story is said to be repeated through several lifetimes of Parvati being reborn. Thanks for the link. I will check it out. There's another love story among the Hindu belief that I want to just mention-that of the immortal love between Radha and Krishna. But I need to research it more. Also need to look up asteroids in their name-see if they exist. IP: Logged |
Linda Jones Knowflake Posts: 1768 From: Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 23, 2012 03:05 PM
Taineberry and Ceridwen,Fantastic job hammering out the details It's great to see it on paper! Ceridwen, I'm trying to follow the whole harmonics chart stuff by using Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward as the obvious example. Please tell me if their birth info I found is the same as what you have: Joanne Woodward February 27, 1930, 4:00 AM Thomasville, GA Paul Newman January 26, 1925, 6:30 AM Cleveland, OH Is this what you've been using for your research? Thanks. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 16212 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 03:30 PM
Linda Jones,yes that is the data I have as well. IP: Logged |
Taineberry Knowflake Posts: 850 From: Registered: Jun 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 04:29 PM
Ceri – thanks so much for your feedback. Ok, this time I’m not going to put in the Paul/Joanne data ! I was using the wrong times, that is why my data went wonky. Also I was pinching data from this thread, but rushing and not looking properly so using harmonic data for synastry etc.So ... here is just the latest version of “the theory” without Paul and Joanne. With regard to your question about linking harmonic aspects back to the radix ... mmm I’m not sure! What are your thoughts? A. SUN – MOON FACTORS (Either A.1 OR A.2 must be present - having both would be a bonus) A.1. The sun/moon should be mirrored in the individual charts resulting in a conjunction or opposition in the COMPOSITE chart A.1.1. Rationale : Derived from the Yin/Yang symbol depicting the sacred marriage where two halves come together to make a whole, each half being a mirror image of the other in the opposite phase. Astrologically interpreted as the sun (yang) being the light half and containing in the little dark dot the essence of the moon (yin) and vice versa. The way that each individual experiences their “half” of the yin/yang energy is expressed by the degree difference between the sun and the moon in their OWN charts. Eg. If the one partner has her sun 155 deg from her moon, in order to mirror this her partner would have to have his sun 155 deg from his moon, but in the opposite phase. This would create a harmonic resonance between them that replicates the yin/yang symbol. In the composite this is easily seen as it will be expressed as either a conjunction or an opposition between sun and moon. A.1.2. Acceptable orb would be up to 6 degrees. A.2. There should be a strong aspect in SYNASTRY between the sun and moon resonating with one of the following harmonics : One, two, three, four, six, seven or twelve. i.e. Conjunction, opposition, trine, square, sextile, septile or quincunx. A.2.1. Rationale – Harmonic ONE and TWO refer to the basic concept of unity – TWO souls merging into ONE in order to become a whole. The CONJUNCTION (same element, same modality) has a number resonance of ONE and it represents the unified whole. The OPPOSITION (different compatible element, same modality) has the number resonance of TWO and represents the opposite yin and yang polarity. A.2.2. Rationale – Harmonic THREE and SIX represent the yin/yang element as a complete entity on the spiritual plane – the two merge into one, thus becoming THREE – two separate entities plus one created from the merging of the two – the trinity – Yin (holy spirit/mother)/Yang(father God) and the creative progeny (the Christ principle). Each of the pair now resonate with THREE, thus combine to form SIX. The TRINE (same element different modality) has the number resonance THREE and the SEXTILE(different compatible element, different modality) resonates with SIX. A.2.3. Rationale – Harmonic FOUR represents the 2 polarised energiess (yin/yang) which contain 4 aspects in order for them to become manifest on the material plane. These aspects correspond with the four compass points and four elements – earth (feminine/North), fire (masculine/South), water (feminine/West), and Air (masculine/East) which have to be brought into balance in order to provide the medium for spirit to become stable and solid so that can function in time and space. The SQUARE (different incompatible element, same modality) resonates with the number FOUR. A.2.4. Rationale – Harmonic TWELVE represents an amalgamation of all the numbers preceding this that make up the geometric figures present in the basic square or triangle shapes of which the 0, 180, 90, 60 and 120 angles form a part. To put it simply it is the only number which is divisible by all of the preceding numbers - TWELVE can be divided by ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR AND SIX – It is therefore representative of the manifest and the unmanifest in combination. The QUINCUNX or INCONJUNCT (different incompatible element, different modality) resonates with the number TWELVE. A.2.5. Rationale – SEVEN is the odd one out and is included here for a completely different reason. Harmonic SEVEN represents the sacred geometry of hieros gamos as it occurs in spirit and body on the earth plane. One Soul (the twinflame) generates 6 bodies in order become manifest or incarnate. Each polarity of the twinflame generates a physical, emotional and mental body for the Yin aspect and for the Yang aspect i.e. 3 bodies each, but all 6 are resonating with the same “soulstuff” present in the one. Imagine one marble (the unified twinflame) brought into being here on earth due to the conjoining of 6 identical marbles surrounding it representing the incarnate “bodies”. Ie. 7 marbles altogether. One in the centre and three encompassing this on either side which fuse and join around the one which is the source of their essence. The only number that you can do this shape with is seven, and it is called the Egg of Life in sacred geometry. The SEPTILE resonates with the number SEVEN. SEVEN is also a magical number which resonates with a combination of Spirit/Heaven (THREE –the trinity as described above) and Matter/Earth ( FOUR – the elements of earth, fire, water and air). A.2.6. Acceptable orb is 6 degrees for conjunction/opposition; 3 for trine, square, sextile and quincunx; 2 for septile. AND
B. TWINFLAME PAIRINGS (2 pairings must be present, either both in composite B.2 or both in synastry B.3, or one in each)
B.1. These are identified as B.1.1. Osiris and Isis B.1.2. Adonis and Innanen, Astarte, Ishtar, Venus or Aphrodite B.1.3. Eros and Psyche B.1.4. Ariadne and Bacchus or Dionysus B.1.5. Siva and Parvarti or Kaali B.1.6. Solomin and Sheba B.1.7. Briede and Groom B.1.8 Others yet to be identified. B.1.9. Rationale : these are mythological lovers who have been identified as twinflames closely associated with Hieros Gamos by virtue of the fact that they were once together, then were separated and eventually reunited. B.2. There must be at least two twinflame mirrored aspects in the individual charts resulting in a conjunction or opposition in the COMPOSITE chart within a two degree orb. B.2.1. Rationale : same as A 1.1.above B.3. There must be at least two twinflame aspects (conjunct, opposite, trine, square, sextile, inconjunct or septile) in SYANASTY within a two degree orb. One of these aspects must be a conjunction or opposition. B.3.1. Rationale : same as in A 2.1 to 2.5 above. AND
C. ATLANTIS
C.1. Asteroid Atlantis must be conjunct, opposite, trine, square, sextile, quincunx or septile either the sun, moon, venus, nodes, angles OR C.2 Atlantis must be conjunct, opposite, trine, square, sextile, quincunx or septile a twinflame asteroid which is already part of a synastric pair. C.3.1 Rationale : For aspects see A2.1 to 2.5 above C.3.2 Atlantis is important as it was during the fall of Atlantis that TwinFlames finally split from one another, so it makes sense that an Atlantis contact should herald the return. If there is no double whammy for this, then it will be the Atlantis person who recognises the planet person first. C.3.3 Orbs must be very tight - 2 degrees. For a conjunction or opposition, possibly expand to 3 degrees. AND
D. NODES D.1. The nodes of one partner should conjunct, oppose, trine, square, sextile, quincunx or septile the nodes of the other partner, or their sun, moon, venus or angles with a 2 degree orb. (Expand to 3 degrees for a conjunction or opposition) D.1.2 Rationale – the Nodes of the moon represent the life path of the individual, past and future – if the karmic path of one partner is not connected strongly to the karmic path of the other, or to the important inner and outer elements in the partner’s psyche then it will be difficult for the couple to connect strongly enough to build a relationship together. AND
E . ANGLES
E.1. The angles of one partner should conjunct, oppose or square one another. Alternatively the sun or moon should conjunct, oppose or square the angles. E.1.1 Rationale : To create a solid contact between the respective chart axes by connecting the most dynamic houses with one another, or connecting the luminaries with the angles. AND F . 7TH HARMONIC
1. There should be at least two septile or biseptile (7th harmonic) aspects with a less than 2 degree orb between the following pairs : 1.1 Sun and Moon 1.2 A twinflame pair 1.3 A double whammy where each person has one half of a twinflame pair in a 7th harmonic aspect to an angle, luminary or node- preferably one person with YIN asteroid the other with YANG asteroid (though not necessarily from the same pair. 1.4 Atlantis in a 7th harmonic aspect with a twinflame asteroid which is already part of a synastric aspect, thus making a triangle with the involvement of a twinflame pair and Atlantis. 1.5 Rationale : The seventh harmonic (septile or biseptile) resonates strongly with the hieros gamos or sacred marriage and therefore this should be evident in the synastry of the couple. AND G. HOUSE RULERS
G.1. There should be a conjunction, opposition, trine, square, sextile, quincunx or septile aspect with a less than 2 degree orb involving rulers of the 1st, 7th and 8th (and maybe 2nd) . The aspect can be between each other or between one of them and the ASC/DESC axis. G.1.1 Rationale : 1st house = “self”; 7th house = partner; 8th house =transformation & sex; 2nd house=that which you value. If any of the logic is too wacky or my meaning is is not clear, let me know and we can fine tune some more.
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Taineberry Knowflake Posts: 850 From: Registered: Jun 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 04:47 PM
Ceri - your friend's twinflame data is looking good!Haven't looked at it thoroughly yet - have you seen any gaps that don't fit the latest version of the model?
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Linda Jones Knowflake Posts: 1768 From: Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 23, 2012 04:52 PM
Taineberry,This is fantastic! And the logic is CLEAR as day. Have a question re: one person's angles aspecting the other's. Is it ok to have parallels in declination (which is essentially the same as conjunction)? Thanks. It is looking unbelievably good! BTW, did you get any sleep last night, or were you too excited? IP: Logged |
Taineberry Knowflake Posts: 850 From: Registered: Jun 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 05:03 PM
LJ ... I slept like a baby. BUT today was really bad as every 5 minutes I was distracting myself with ASTROLOGICAL musings instead of work . Oh, the guilt! (not to mention the pile-up of stuff I haven't done for tomorrow).Anyway to answer your question - yes, I think parallels will be fine with a nice tight orb. IP: Logged |
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posted April 23, 2012 05:09 PM
^^ "Oh, the guilt! (not to mention the pile-up of stuff I haven't done for tomorrow)." You're adorable and I can relate. When you're on fire ... hey, you're on fire! And there's nothing anybody's gonna do to stop it! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 16212 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 05:27 PM
Taineberry,an amazing work you did there! And Iagree with it completely (well except for the fact that I wouldn´t allow 6 degrees for a septile But maybe the 6 degrees were rather meant for conjunction and opposition ).
Funny thing is I was musing on the 12th harmonic chart just a few days ago; it is very encouraging that we apparently came to the same conclusion.
Haven`t yet looked over my friends synastry with the new parameters. But this one seems "sharper" and not so easy to hit.
Maybe I should analyse my parent`s synastry. #
EDIT: I was also considering including the pairing of BRIEDE and GROOM as a generic pairing. Even though they of course are not a mythic pairing, they are an unique pair. There is only 2 of them in the whole asteroid sky.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 16212 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 05:32 PM
Oh and for now I am just checking 7th to 7th. I am open for checking 7th to 1st as well, but at the same time fear that the more we expand, the less rare the connections will be. Oh and maybe this is too limiting but I was thinking that at least one of the two twinflame aspect in 1st and 7th needs to be a conjunction or opposition, while the other could be just any aspect.
The reason I mention that is that I have seen quite a lot of synastries which were covered with sextiles, quinkunxes and trines, but not so much with oppositions/conjunctions, or those that had that usually were considerd "special couples". (maybe adding to that the septile/biseptile/triseptile - I haven`t investigated it as much, but actually these will appear as conjunctions in 7th chart anyway). IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 16212 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 05:42 PM
In relation to 7th harmonic you said:"1.3 One half of a twinflame pair and either an angle, luminary, node or Atlantis. " I´d prefer if EACH person had one half of a twinflame pair to an angle, luminary, node or Atlantis, prefereably one a YIN pair, the other a YANG pair, though maybe it does not need to be from the same pair. What you wrote int he prior post I liked very much, that Atlantis should aspect a twinflame asteroid, which is already part of a synastric aspect, thus making at least a triangle with the involvement of a twinflame pair and Atlantis. Like my friends who had the Mystical triangle in 7th harmonic of Atlantis - Eros - Psyche. Or in their first the conjuncted trine of Atlantis - Adonis - Ishtar.
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Taineberry Knowflake Posts: 850 From: Registered: Jun 2011
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posted April 23, 2012 06:38 PM
Hi Ceri I edited it! 6 degrees is ridiculous for a septile I fixed the other things you mentioned too. I was also worried that the parameters might be too wide because there can't be that many twinflames around! I especially like the change that one of the twinflame pairings should be a conjunction or opposition. Maybe we can still tweak it to narrow it down some more? It is late now so I'm going to sleep. Thanks for everything. IP: Logged |
Linda Jones Knowflake Posts: 1768 From: Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 23, 2012 11:56 PM
Taineberry and Ceridwen,I have some questions: 1) Can Amor/Psyche also be included in the twin flame pairs IF accompanied by Adonis and Innanen, Astarte, Ishtar, Venus or Aphrodite (to balance out spiritual with physical love)? OR Amor/Psyche IF also with Cupido/Psyche? 2) Do ea. of the twin flame pairs present in synastry have to have the Atlantis connection? 3) Should Briede and Groom also have the same "framework" connections w/ Sun, moon, Asc/Desc, etc. (as well as Atlantis) as the other twinflame pairs? 4) "There must be at least two twinflame aspects (conjunct, opposite, trine, square, sextile, inconjunct or septile) in SYANASTY within a two degree orb. One of these aspects must be a conjunction or opposition." For this, can the orb for conjunction be increased IF there's a 2nd object present? If so, by how much? 5) What orbs would you like to use for a planet-to-asteroid aspect, and asteroid-to-angle aspect? This is what I can think of at the moment. Sorry if it's already explained in the latest draft. And thank you. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 16212 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 24, 2012 04:03 AM
I am going to address your q`s later Linda Jones. Tainberry,
I am checking the synastry between my best friend and her ex-boyfriend, who definitely were NOT twinflames. If this system works, there should appear several "voids". IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 16212 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 24, 2012 04:19 AM
A. SUN MOON NO Sun/Moon in composite NO Sun/Moon in synastryB. TWINFLAME PAIRINGS composite: NO conjunction, but Eros trine Psyche exact Adonis sextile Inannen exact Siva quinkunx Parvati synastry: his Solomin conjunct her Sheba (3 degrees)
his Adonis square her Aphrodite (1.59) his Ariadne sextile her Dionysos I`d say the Solomin/Sheba would qualify, but it is at the outer end of the orb, and with a lack of Sun-Moon-aspects, we have to tread cautiously here.
C. ATLANTIS
her Atlantis trine his Desc (his birthtime is half an hour murky though) his Atlantis square her Dionysos, which is sextile his Ariadne his Atlantis sextile her Apohrodite exact, which squares his Adonis composite: Atlantis makes a Pythagorean triangle with Siva and Parvati, being square Siva and trine Parvati. D. NODES his NN quinkunx her ASC exact his NN serxtile her Venus exact
(I am not sure though that the soft aspects with the nodes really work that reliably; I feel more inclined to consider only conjunction, opposition and square with the calculated points that are making an axis, the angles and Nodes) E . ANGLES NONE F . 7TH HARMONIC
NO direct twinflame pairing her Ishtar conjunct his Sun exact his Eros conjunct her SN his Bacchus conjunct her NN his Groom conjunct her Moon G. HOUSE RULERS
NONE So far I am thinking that the factors SUN/MOON, NODES, ANGLES, LUMINARIES and the rulers give the frame and even if there are twinflame pairings it doesn`t mean that much (at least not in terms of twinflameship), if this basic structure is not present.
If it is present, it does not need to mean twinflames per se either, but THEN the twinflame and Atlantis pairings have to come into play. And only if we have both the BACKBONE-STRUCTURE And the spiritual complimentaries as expressed in twinflame asteroids, esp. in relation to Atlantis, we can be fairly certain two people are twinflames.
For the record I am really relieved that there were so many voids in this analysis I did, cause it shows that not EVERY couple will fulfill the conditions per coincidence.
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