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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 18, 2012 01:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by Linda Jones: Whether it was a crush or actual love, or who the object of the crush was, is not as imp. imo, as the effect it had on you, which was to increase your awareness of yourself in relationship with the cosmic energies we're constantly surrounded by.
Yes, exactly. That is the reason why I take any crush, or even any time someone affects me emotionally, and be it even someone I donīt know personally, serious - for what it sais about me.  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 18, 2012 01:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by Sorcha: I think I remember messing around with age harmonics years and years ago but have not thought of it since. Great thread!I'll include mostly conjunctions of 1 degree or less (as well as asteroids) for my 36th AH chart - which technically does not begin until June. AH Lilith conjunct Natal North Node AH Union conjunct N Anti-vertex (though this is the one orb which is a tiny bit wide - 2.5) AH Sun conjunct N Mercury AH Mars conjunct N juno AH Moon conjunct N Psyche, Pars Fortuna and my name asteroid AH Venus conjunct N Saturn AH MC conjunct N Descendant AH Pars Fortuna and Union conjunct N Chiron AH Union conjunct N Amor AH Sun and Saturn conjunct N Osiris And finally one trine I noticed was AH Vertex trine N Vertex Is this a lot of conjunctions or would this be "normal"? Seems like a lot to me but again, I don't remember much from studying this years ago.
Not sure. I guess since we are applying more objects / asteroids to check, the number of hits will increase as well. Though Iw ould check other unexciting years to have something to compare.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 18, 2012 01:25 AM
Sunshine,I am glad to see you on this thread.  IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 18, 2012 03:04 AM
Sunshine,you have at least four tight patterns in your Age harmonic, which also set off natal points. And all of these patterns relate to marriage as well as family ties. though quite honestly the emphasis is more of solidifying and making an union public and even starting an own family,t han on romance. Sorry I have not much time on my hands at the moment,
but I suggest you look at °AH Sun conjunct AH Mercury on your natal IC (Sun rules harmonic MC, Mercury rules natal DESC) to be cont.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 18, 2012 05:49 AM
2nd pattern:AH Venus, DESC-ruler, in your 10th, opposite AH Vertex, in your 4th, square AH Moon in your 1st - AH Venus opposes natal Siva/Parvati - AH Vertex conjunct natal Siva/Parvati - AH Moon conjunct natal PoF and is quite near to natal Moon 3rd pattern: This one is extremely symmetrical and tight, and it includes two major aspect configurations: a Golden Rectangle and a Kite (with the inclusion of a Grand trine in water). AH Neptune on 22 Cap, in natal 2nd house, opposite AH Karma on 22 Cancer, in natal 8th house, sextile/trine Jupiter on 21 Pisces, in natal 4th house (Neptune also is the ruler of 4th house - which makes for an unbelievable strong emphasis of 4th house - so far all patterns pointed to the 4th house) This sets off the natal exact Jupiter-Juno-opposition. The Golden Rectangle includes the two oppositions: AH Neptune - AH Karma natal Jupiter - natal Juno the Kite includes the Grand trine of: AH jupiter trine AH karma trine natal Juno (in water signs AND water houses) the backbone is AH Karma opposing Neptune. From that concludes that the Neptune-Karma-opposition is the outstanding feature of this pattern, with the arrow pointing to Neptune, natal IC-ruler, in 2nd house. Luckily it is very well cushioned by especially AH Jupiter. 4th pattern: AH Juno on 18 Libra trine AH Pluto on 16 Aquarius on AH IC on 15 Aquarius - AH IC opposes natal Saturn on 14 Leo - AH Pluto and AH IC sextiles natal Neptune and trines natal Pluto
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 18, 2012 07:11 AM
Sunshine,you have two strong soulmate pairings natally: Siva conjunct parvati exact; Juno-Jupiter-opposition exact, and bother are being set off by the Age harmonic chart of the current year. I find it highly interesting that you have an exact Siva-Parvati conjunction RIGHT on 00 Aries, indicating the beginning of a new cycle in relation to that pairing. From your cultural background Siva-Parvati might even be more signficant for you than for other people. Also, in the one pattern I mentiond with the golden rectangle and Kite, there is only one spot in the chart empty, which would have made it a perfect Star of David, or Grand sextile, containing two Grand trines / Kites, golden rectangle and so on. This empty spot is on 21 or 22 Virgo. Do you or Bryan have something on this degree by chance? IP: Logged |
sunshine9 Knowflake Posts: 1087 From: Beehive, MD Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2012 02:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Sunshine,I am glad to see you on this thread. 
I'm happy to participate, Ceri!  What an interesting topic! Thank you for bringing this up, and for looking at my patterns as well! Rest in my next few, Sunshine IP: Logged |
sunshine9 Knowflake Posts: 1087 From: Beehive, MD Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 18, 2012 02:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Sunshine,you have two strong soulmate pairings natally: Siva conjunct parvati exact; Juno-Jupiter-opposition exact, and bother are being set off by the Age harmonic chart of the current year. I find it highly interesting that you have an exact Siva-Parvati conjunction RIGHT on 00 Aries, indicating the beginning of a new cycle in relation to that pairing. From your cultural background Siva-Parvati might even be more signficant for you than for other people. Also, in the one pattern I mentiond with the golden rectangle and Kite, there is only one spot in the chart empty, which would have made it a perfect Star of David, or Grand sextile, containing two Grand trines / Kites, golden rectangle and so on. This empty spot is on 21 or 22 Virgo. Do you or Bryan have something on this degree by chance?
Ceri, That is really neat, isn't it? I have always been drawn to the story of Siva & Parvati even as a child - of all the goddesses and fairytale princesses I'd read about, She stood out as the ideal woman in my mind, and He, the ideal man. (Did/do you have such thoughts about Isis & Osiris, Ceri, given your natal conjunction?) So, I looked up the Sabian symbol for 30' Pisces (as they don't have 0' Aries), and here is what I was very surprised to find: quote: "A MAJESTIC ROCK FORMATION RESEMBLING A FACE IS IDEALIZED BY A BOY WHO TAKES IT AS HIS IDEAL OF GREATNESS, AND AS HE GROWS UP, BEGINS TO LOOK LIKE IT You may find that you are growing into the image that you have imagined and it gives you some sense of pride - assuming you have chosen a positive image. What or who do you 'idealize'? What is it that you'd like to project? Meditating on a goal or the projection of an ideal can lead to actuality. Just be clear about what you really desire in the situation - you just might get it.Concrete manifestation of one's ideals. Enduring truths. Culmination of efforts. Projections of ideal images. Wanting a sense of immortality. Defining one's fate through conscious manifestation."
How telling - this highlights my idealization!! I also looked at the Sabian for Juno at 21' Scorpio, and it also speaks to my turmoil that I had mentioned in my previous email: quote: "OBEYING HIS CONSCIENCE, A SOLDIER RESISTS ORDERS You may find yourself in a situation where what you are expected to do is against your inner values and conscience. You must make the difficult choice between allegiance to duty and your own inner truth. True freedom can only be found within when one faces situations with a sense of integrity and a preparedness to face the consequences.Personal morality. Doing what one's conscience dictates. Longing for a return to a state of love that freezes you and confines. The Caution: Cowardice or lack of courage to act. Not doing what one is expected to do. `Going over the top' in a wild and crazy way."
Amazing.. Jupiter opposing my Juno indicates that I'm not only going against what is expected of me, but I'm doing it with a bang! My family still sees my decision this way sometimes! About the empty spot - neither Bryan nor I have anything at 21/22' Virgo (though my Psyche and his Moon/NN are at 17' Virgo), but I need to look harder - perhaps there is a mid-point sitting there! More in my next,  Sunshine IP: Logged |
violet7887 Knowflake Posts: 1716 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 18, 2012 06:53 PM
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 19, 2012 01:22 AM
Sunshine, "Did/do you have such thoughts about Isis & Osiris, Ceri, given your natal conjunction?" Interesting question. I never given it much thought to be honest. Actually I think he wasnīt really the ideal man. But their complimentarity was perfect/ ideal.
"I also looked at the Sabian for Juno at 21' Scorpio, and it also speaks to my turmoil that I had mentioned in my previous email:" Hm are you sure this is right? I always thought the Sabian on 21-22 Scorpio was: A HUNTER SHOOTING DUCKS?
"bout the empty spot - neither Bryan nor I have anything at 21/22' Virgo (though my Psyche and his Moon/NN are at 17' Virgo)>2 Hmm, I would think that is too wide.
" but I need to look harder - perhaps there is a mid-point sitting there!" LOL Or a Draco planet.
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 19, 2012 01:26 AM
Violet,Iīd like to see your natal as well to check what natal planets are being triggered in what houses the AH planets fall (placidus). Looking at the AH alone, what certainly stands out is the Grand Cross of Mars/NN-Venus-Moon-Jupiter. Seems like this might be a very stimulating, emotional, passionate and enthusiastic year, but with a tendency to emotional overreaction. I could see a hot passionate affair there, probably with a lover from the past (Venus on SN). but the level of energy/ intensity will be very high, certainly doesnīt look like a calm one. lol IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 19, 2012 01:49 AM
You can also explore the Age harmonics in synastry.Look for exact (under 1 degree aspects) to each otherīs natal chart. Also, here http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal59.html the author writes: "With What happened
type questions the most important feature of the relevant Chart is nearly always the closest Ptolemaic Aspect, whether it is a conjunction, opposition, square, trine or sextile....Use Aspect lines but to make your search easier reduce the orbs to one or two degrees. This will focus your attention on the most important factors. Look first for conjunctions the most powerful planetary links, while remembering that a tight square, for instance, is more effective than a loose conjunction. .Take account of the basic meaning of the planets involved, their House position (especially when close to a Cusp) and their House rulership, and the meaning of the Signs involved." and
"Age Harmonics are of signal use in Synastry, where two charts are compared for compatibility or other issues. You can see the interaction between two people, their attitude to one another or what preoccupies them at any point in time, by setting up their Age Harmonic Charts for the same date and putting them in a BiWheel, with one outside the other. The inter-chart conjunctions with an orb of one degree or less are the most important factors, describing their relationship to one another." http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dymock/instal4.html I think it is certainly interesting to keep note of the tightest aspect (though of course the other exact aspects are important as well). In my "crush" and "spiritual awakening" chart this would have been:
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 19, 2012 08:36 AM
1. MC 14 Sag in 5th (n 1st) square Saturn in 14 Virgo in 2nd (n 9th): 0°12Saturn rules the AH DESC the Sabians were IC: Two Dutch Children Talking To Each Other, Exchanging Their Knowledge 'The crazy thing is that my crush actually was DUTCH! 
MC: The Ground Hog Looking For Its Shadow On Ground Hog Day Saturn: A Fine Lace Handkerchief, Heirloom From Valorous Ancestors This aspect partially seems to relate to my crush, but there is an equally, maybe even stronger, indication of my homelife.
this very clearly depicts the importance of "relationships" and crushes (MC in 5th and DESC-ruler involved), which would remain unreciprocrated (Saturn-square) During that year I also had some disagreements with authorities in school, but especially my mom. lol As a matter of fact her natal Mars is on 14 Virgo and my Dad`s natal IC is on 14 Sag, and during that yerar, even though they were agreeing on everything else usually, they had conflicting views on how to raise me I think. 2. Sun in 29 Aries in 10th (n 4th) trine Neptune in 29 Leo in 2nd (n 9th): 0°12 The funny thing is that this year I ONCE again have Sun on 29 degrees of a sign, just this time it is Cancer. lol Sun-Neptune- of course relates to the awakening of my spirituality and the application of it to daily life. Neptune is on the royal fixed star REGULUS, indicating the prominence of this theme this year. Neptune rules the AH 9th house and falls near the cusp of my natal 9th house. Sun rules AH 2nd house (and natal 9th house).
So again we have an empasis on 9th and 2nd house. This describes how my values and perception ofw hat is real (2nd house) have been shaped and of course it describes my view on life in general (9th house) as well, and it is true that back then I laied the foundations of my "life philosophy". The fact that this also affects the 10th house (AH Sun in AH 10th house shows that this new attitude to things did not stay hidden but was very easy to see for everyone around me, not always met with enthusiasm though - remember the Saturn squaring MC). Sabians Sun: A Duck Pond And Its Brood Neptune: An Unsealed Letter BTW when my "spiritual re-awakening" took place, my Age harmonic had this aspect:
Sun on 28.03 Taurus in 7th (natal 6th) trine Neptune on 28.26 Capricorn in 3rd, right before 4th house (natal 2nd). Sun of course still ruling my natal 9th, and Neptune my natal 3rd. In this year though Sun ruled 10th in the Age harmonic chart, and Neptune ruled 5th See? SAme houses being emphasised as well! It was also the tightest aspect 0°23 The second tightest aspect was Saturn on IC 0°24. Well, this chart resembled the "crush" chart a LOT, and as a matter of fact my experiences were like a reflection of the past.
Of course this also is connected to the fact that the first was the 15th harmonic chart, and the second the 30th harmonic chart, and these numbers definitely have a relationship to each other. The nature of aspects changed though, and it is NOT normal that the houses stay the same. lol Anyway coincidence that in both years I had Sun-Neptune-trine at the end of signs, when I developed my spirituality quite a bit?
This year I AGAIN have harmonic Sun on the last degree of a sign, 29 Cancer, but not ina spect to Neptune. It makes a widish Grand trine with Saturn and Juno this year. (orb is still within 2 degrees though, of all of them; the Juno-Saturn-trine is exact and the exactest aspect in this year harmonic.
This might have extra significance as Sun is the chartruler. The Sabians of this year`s Grand trine Sun: 29 Cancer A Daughter of The American Revolution Saturn: 27 Pisces A Fertile Garden Under The Full Moon Reveals A Variety Of Full-Grown Vegetables Juno: 27 Scorpio (same degree as natal Valentine) The King Of The Fairies Approaching His Domain The second and third exact aspects this year are Venus trine NN (Venus rules IC) Uranus trine ASC (Uranus rules DESC)
Venus: A Volunteer Church Choir Singing Religious Hymns NN: An Easter Sunrise Service Draws A Large Crowd
Uranus: A Child And A Dog Wearing Borrowed Eyeglasses (on my natal Venus/Mars-mp) ASC: Zuni Indians Perform A Ritual To The Sun (on my natal Cupid) IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 19, 2012 09:08 AM
Sunshine, I think your tightest aspect (exclusive asteroids) might be the Sun-Mercury-conjunction in Pisces in 11th house, with Sun ruling the 5th house.(in your natal Mercury of course rules your DESC and MC) And the conjunction falls into your fourth house, and much more significantly, pretty exactly onto your IC. This gives even more weight to my comments on this in a previous post. IP: Logged |
violet7887 Knowflake Posts: 1716 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 20, 2012 12:24 AM
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posted April 20, 2012 01:02 AM
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Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 20, 2012 04:07 AM
Violet,it seems the tighest aspect is ASC conjunct Neptune, which might highlight a pivotal year in your spiritual development, and what I missed to see is that you have a golden rectangle interlocking with your Grand cross, with a very tight Sun-Jupiter-trine in earth signs, so the chances of having some warmth and stability is actually not that bad. Maybe these will help grounding the highly emotional energy of the grand cross. Of course including asteroids the Aura-NN conjunction is the most important one because of its precision. I wonder if you might develop a psychic awareness or develop the skill of sensing auric energy this year. neptun on the ASC would support this. I still think emotions will fly high at times especially since the grand cross involves all your natal angle rulers! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 20, 2012 04:09 AM
BTW the Sabian of your Pluto/Atlantis is: Head Covered With A Rakish Silk Hat, Muffled Against The Cold, A Man Braves A Storm usually if they write "14 degrees", they are indicating, 13-14 degrees of the zodiac.
So a planet on 14°03 Taurus would actually be in the 15th degree of Taurus or in the range of 14°00 - 14°59. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted April 20, 2012 09:32 AM
I checked my parent`s age harmonics for the year they got married and compared them to each other. aspects: conjunction and opposition orb: 0°00-1°00I am only listing those that are relevant for marriage; of course with using only two aspects and a one degree orb, not too much is bound to come up. I. Angle-connection
a) ASC-DESC, MC-IC, Vertex-Antivertex, nodal axis and the rulers of ASC/DESC/MC/IC to each other ------------------------------------------- ° Dad`s AH Antivertex conjunct Mum`s AH NN ° Dad`s AH MC conjunct Mum`s natal MC ° DAd`s AH Neptune conjunct Mum`s natal Antivertex (Neptune rules his n DESC and AH MC) b) planets, esp. Sun, Moon, Venus to angles ------------------------------------------- ° Dad`s AH Venus conjunct Mum`s n NN ° Dad`s AH Venus conjunct Mum`s n MC ° Dad`s n Venus opposite Mum`s AH DESC-ruler Jupiter ° Dad`s n Neptune opposite Mum`s AH Sun (Neptune rules his n DESC and AH MC) II. planetary connections
a) Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars to each other ------------------------------------------- ° Dad`s AH Moon opposite Mum`s n Sun ° Dadīs AH mars conjunct Mum`s n Mercury (Mercury rules her n IC and AH ASC) b) personal planets and angles to outer planets ---------------------------------------- ° Dad`s AH Sun conjunct Mum`s AH Uranus ° DAdīs AH neptune conjunct Mumīs n Antivertex ° Dadīs n Venus opposite Mumīs AH Jupiter ° Dad`s n Neptune opposite mumn`s AH Sun (orb: 1°05)
III. asteroid connections
° Dadīs AH psyche conjunct Mum`s natal Mercury ° Dad`s AH ISIS conjunct Mum`s natal ISIS some remarks:
with a wider orb they share: Dadīs AH DESC conjunct mumīs n Juno (ca.1°20) Dad`s n ASC conjunct Mum`s AH Juno (ca 2°) Dadīs n ADONIS opposite Mumīs AH Astarte (ca.2°) ------------------------- an exact stellium, all gathered on 8-9 Pisces of:
Dadīs AH MC Dad`s AH Venus Mum`s n MC Mum`s n NN -------------------------- Dadīs AH Moon opposite Mumīs n Sun
reflects their synastric Moon-Sun-opposition, as my Dad had AH Moon conjunct natal Moon at that time ------------------------------ Dadīs AH ISIS conjunct Mum`s n Isis connects to their synastric isis-osiris-opposition, as my Dad had AH ISIS conjunct natal OSIRIS, and both opposing my Mum`s n ISIS (and let`s not forget we are talking about EXACT aspects here!) IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 18, 2013 05:08 AM
New year starting for me, so time to look at my Age harmonic for the coming year. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 01, 2015 05:27 AM
And what a year that was!b IP: Logged |
Soltze Knowflake Posts: 1137 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted November 01, 2015 06:40 AM
This is very interesting. I suppose this year is important since Vertex is conjunct ASC. AH Jupiter conjunct Saturn and Neptune AH ASC conjunct Sun AH Sun opposite Moon (!!) AH Mercury trine Mercury AH Neptune conjunct Mars AH Pluto sextile Mars AH Uranus opp Chiron The Natal: [IMG]http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah229/Soltze/astro_2gw_04_anonymo us_58170_429_zpsiylogxoa.gif[/IMG] IP: Logged |
Soltze Knowflake Posts: 1137 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted November 01, 2015 06:55 AM
I've also read the article and looked at the harmonics representing the classical aspects and...yeah it does portray my early development so well.Venus being afflicted all over the place...Chiron squares...ugh IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24232 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 01, 2015 07:52 AM
Yes, but keep in mind that the older you are the more quickly the AH move, which is especially important in terms of the angles. Even one minute can make quite a difference. Apart from that I just stumbled across this article again http://www.alabe.com/text/Brose-Harmonics.html It`s amazing how closely especially the very exact aspects (conjunctions mostly) and then the aspect figures within about 1-2 degrees that are being triggered (Esp. 4th harmonic aspects) depict experiences of that year. I am not sure why but they do seem to respond to transits, too.
Well I am doing the yearly age harmonics as of now (the dailies are shocking as event triggers of course, but the year age harmonics do seem to be a little like a Solar Return indeed).
Most important those that trigger (conjunct) natal planets of course and bringing natal aspect figures into play. At the moment I am dabbling in composite of the Age harmonics (thanks Solar fire for that!) and well let`s see if those are accurate. IP: Logged |
Seimei Knowflake Posts: 1693 From: n2thedust Registered: Apr 2015
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posted November 01, 2015 11:29 AM
Ceri, Why are my asc and and MC in the same sign? Or what does that mean? lol ------------------ LeekingChee IP: Logged | |