posted May 03, 2012 07:17 PM            

Lie 26955

Swindle 8690 (Thanks, IQ)

Lucifer 1930

Lust 4386

Nessus 7066

Dejanira 157

posted May 04, 2012 12:44 AM            

SWINDLE = 8690.

Asteroid Nemesis afflictions can be harmful too. Nemesis is 128.

P.S: I have still not analyzed the charts you sent me, will somehow try to update you this week.

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posted May 04, 2012 09:20 AM            

Lie opposite Sun (exact)
Dejanira square Uranus (exact)
Lucifer conjunct Ascendant (exact)
Lucifer conjunct Chiron (2°)
Lie square Lucifer (2°)
Swindle conjunct North Node (1°)

Not looking good is it?...

posted May 04, 2012 10:43 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by iQ:
Afflictions from the negative Asteroids are what we must lookout for. A sextile or even weak opposition to Dejanira or Nessus or Lust is harmless.

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IQ, I guess a conjunction to any of those asteroids would be considered an affliction, right?

posted May 04, 2012 11:57 PM            

I think squares and oppositions within 2 deg orb would be considered afflictions. Orbs wider than this would progressively weaken the affliction. Not so sure about conjunctions which could go either way, meaning positive or negative.

Of course iQ would be the last word on this

posted May 05, 2012 04:51 AM              

Let`s say for example his Nessus in Cancer is conjunct her Venus and squares His Neptune.
And then on top of that his Saturn squares her Moon.

That would be a rather unlucky situation for her.

posted May 05, 2012 10:33 PM            

Perhaps we should narrow it down to asteroids that are within someone's cultural or religious frameworks. For instance, an asteriod of significance to the Inuits like Sedna might not be that powerful in someone's chart who is not Inuit or not aware of Inuit's culture.

Asteroids with names that all English speaking people can relate to (Lie and Swindle for instance) might be more powerful and significant in an English's speaker's chart than some obscure asteroid named after a liar or swindle character in a little known mythology.

posted May 05, 2012 11:31 PM            

This is also similar to what iQ has said-that asteroids begin to have an effect on us from the time we become aware of them/attach meaning to them (I'm paraphrasing here without using his elite astrological vocabularly )

posted May 06, 2012 10:53 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by iQ:

P.S: I have still not analyzed the charts you sent me, will somehow try to update you this week.

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Don't worry about that. It's no longer necessary.

posted May 25, 2012 09:53 PM            

From wikipedia, the myth of Sisyphus:

In Greek mythology Sisyphus (play /sɪsɪˈfʌs/;[1] Greek: Σίσυφος, Sísyphos) was a king punished by being compelled to roll an immense boulder up a hill, only to watch it roll back down, and to repeat this action forever.

posted June 01, 2012 09:08 PM            

I have an unaspected Lie the closest is a 6 orb opposing my sun in taurus at 26.30

Swindle is in my 12th house almost conjuct my asc ,trine my venus 2 orb and square pluto 3 orb also opposite my NN oh i must have been decepted in the past.Or brought deception to others.

Lust is at 21 in cancer opposite saturn at 25 in cappy,restriction of lustful experiences how appropriate for me.But it trines mars at 19 so i don`t know.a far off square to venus 6 orb

Nessus might be my best aspected bad asteroid a grand trine between sun and saturn.

OOOh i have a bad dejanira its 19 in aqua square pluto at 16 and sextile venus in aries at 15 but also a far off conjunction to my moon as well as my NN its smack in the middle of them.and opposite my asc far off as well.

posted June 02, 2012 01:25 PM            

Asteroids with names that all English speaking people can relate to (Lie and Swindle for instance) might be more powerful and significant in an English's speaker's chart than some obscure asteroid named after a liar or swindle character in a little known mythology.

Similarly, asteroids named after greco-roman characters seem to be more potent for people born and raised in the western world. Just as asteroids named after Hindu deities can be more significant to people who are born into or have embrace Hindu mythology.
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This is largely true, except for a few intense Asteroids like Isis, Osiris, Siva, Karma and Kaali. An expert on Vedanta told me that in his years of experience, Vedic "Vaastu Shastra" [Real Estate Directional Astrology] affects every Indian owner [even Indian non-Hindus] yet the same bad Vaastu building clicks for an African, Arab or Western owner/company.

I have never seen Celtic or Norse theme affect Indian people but they click very strongly in the lives of my western contacts.

It probably has to do with Ancestral Karmic debts.

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posted June 06, 2012 10:15 PM            

More precisely:
Nessus @ 13 Can 28'49"
8690 Swindle @ 14 Can 37'10"
2102 Tantalus @ 16 Can 43'41"
Mars @ 12 Lib 12'41"
Pluto @ 14 Lib 52'18" (both Mars and Pluto straddle fixed star Algorab)
Venus @ 16 Lib 14'1"

The three asteroids in 8th house Cancer, the planets starting in 10th house (Placidus) Libra, ending 3.5 degrees from 11th house cusp.

Both these sets semisquare my Sun at 0 Vir 15'31" (which itself is conjunct Saturn at 3 Vir 29'18", and T-squares my Ascendant/Descendant line at 3 Sag 41'33" (3 Gem 41'33" for Desc., dangerously close to the recent solar eclipse which was right on my Messalina/Medusa/Destinn/Rudra stellium.)

Whoever I take an interest in that has an affliction in synestry to my natal Sun is going to get a lot more than they bargained for.

Also, seems my 26955 Lie @ 23 Can 23'7" is conjunct my BMLillith at 24 Can 24'56" (within 3 degrees of Jupiter @ 27 Can 29'56", those three also being in 8th house).

As far as synestry, the one woman that impacted me greatly (and ultimately not in a good way), had her BMLilith and Nemesis stradling my Tantalus, as well as her Swindle/Lust between my Descendant and Messalina/Medusa/Destinn/Rudra. Ultimately was an ordeal.

Another woman, this one an ex from college, (I have to estimate her birthday as I don't remember precisely) appears to have had her Mars conjunct my Descendant (assuming 3-3.5 degree orb is valid for angles), exact conjunct my Messalina/Medusa/Destinn/Rudra, square my Sun/Saturn, semisquare my Nessus/Swindle/Tantalus and sesquiquadrate my Mars/Pluto/Venus. Her Nemesis was within a degree of my Midheaven, her BMLilith with my Sun and her Juno on Algol with my 3811 Karma. That was a true match made in hell in the end.

My most recent ex from 2 and a half years ago... (guesstimating as I don't have her birthtime/place, just the date)... The rundown:
- Her Sun/Venus/BMLilith/North node on my Saturn (probably close enough for my sun as well)
- Her Nemesis/Lie leading into my Mars
- Her Nessus/Dejanira on my Tantalus portion of Nessus/Swindle/Tantalus
- Her Lucifer on my Karma, again on Algol.
- Her Mars within a degree of my Nessus (but slightly out of orb of her Nessus/Dejanira), semisquare my sun and square my Mars/Pluto/Venus.

In her case, we moved fast (not all the way mind you), she broke up with me for that fact, and a week later the whole I'm-downstairs-too-blitzed-to-drive-home-and-hear-her-and-a-friend-of-mine-upstairs kind of deal happened, and I found out AFTER that that she had a crush on him since high school that never died. (How nice to know this in advance). Probably just as well she and I didn't do the deed as she had a "gift" she had contracted in a previous encounter. (Dodged that bullet, but still I was considerably... displeased... about the rest of the development).

And the last one that spurned me (and I am absolutely convinced stood me up, then strung me along and told me one thing while actually being something different) (again, a guestimate as I only have the date):
- Her Nessus on my Nemesis
- Her Lust on my Saturn
- Her Lucifer on my Messalina/Medusa/Destinn/Rudra-square-Sun (I better point out that my Messalina-stellium is also on Alcyone).
- Her Jupiter/Swindle on my Ceres
- Her Mars (in Capricorn) square my Venus, arguably in orb of my Pluto and Mars as well.
- Her Dejanira trine my Lust
- Her Neptune trine my Sun
- Her Nemesis trine my BMLilith/Jupiter

I don't know why I believed her when she said "she wasn't that kind of girl (as in not sleeping with someone fast, and I was perfectly willing to take things slow with her as she seemed cool and I knew her a good while at the time). But apparently... she liked another good friend of mine and to this day he swears he "wasn't going to try anything", and a previous encounter he "couldn't do that to me", but his side of the story: she initiated and... (yeah I had all but given up on her by that point, but then after the fact claimed "she had no idea I was interested" and then acted surprised when I gave her the cold shoulder thereafter). And something tells me this particular matter isn't over. This particular matter, even after the ex-incident and the unrequited-with-another-guy-upstairs incident, both within the same house I might add, well, I was a fool to attempt to forgive and forget.

End result of the last three (the college ex was different circumstances): No forgiveness for betrayal on my part. From my perspective the (EDIT)Rooster truly did crow 3 times X 3 times (3 women, with 2 of my closest friends and 1 gaming friend who I had known awhile online). (Edit note: Apparently I can't directly quote that phrase, thus rooster. Noted for future reference )

I'm coming to the conclusion that I'm not suited for relationships period. Or that I need a complete and total change of locale where I can meet new people and NOT risk betrayal by friends. One friend I've considered rooming with should I pick up stakes and go cross-country is very likely not to do that to me as... well, he's had a similar experience and knows full-well my feelings on that kind of matter.

posted June 10, 2012 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Despina, the Tantalus conjunct Venus does not look good. However, this is only the synastry. You would need to see the composite to form a more definite idea.

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Hmm... because he sees me as 'look but don't touch', or because my venusian charms don't satisfy? I don't know all that much about Tantalus other than the myth. As for the composite, I'm sorry I looked!

Sun/Merc/Eros conjunction opposite a Saturn/Mars conjunction.
Venus/Jupiter conjunction opposite a Pluto/Part of Fortune conjunction, and trine a Moon/Neptune conjunction.

Lie square Mars/Saturn.
Tantalus opposite Mars/Saturn.
Nessus square Venus/Jupiter.
Lucifer conjunct Venus/Jupiter, and opposite Pluto.