posted May 20, 2012 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Steppenwolf:

Do you feel that you tied up that relationship once it was over?

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Now that you mention it, I guess that was a unique first of what would be many karmic relationships I had to tie up, this time around. Other than this apparent female life around the time of the Nazi rise to power, the majority have been significant lifetimes as a male I've had to heal.

The dynamic between me and “B” was such that I did not know how to assert myself, in the face of his wishes. ...He was two years older than I. I felt helpless to say 'no' to whatever he wanted. I was a good student, and yet felt compelled to do what he wanted, sometimes leaving school early with him, so we could go have sex, which he wanted, but I was not interested in. Yet, it seemed something I was “supposed” to do. It was very unpleasant for me. I would even silently cry during it. He seemed unfazed, and just wanted what he wanted, not understanding how I couldn't also be enjoying it.

We dated for about 1 ½ years. It was constant inner tension for me, trying to resist his wishes. Several times, I tried to break up with him, and he would plead and make me feel guilty for “hurting him,” and I would relent. He “really loved me,” in his mind. I developed a stomach ulcer for the only time in my life. ..After he went away to try to fulfill his dream of being a marine, at Camp Lejeune in South Carolina (In his dream, we would live on a military base together, after we were married. In actuality, he couldn't get in to the Marines, because of asthma. Ha.), I finally had enough inner fortitude, and I was able to break up with him, despite his sad-sack guilt-inducing performance. So, I guess that was the achievement I was meant to have, in that relationship.

Wow—I really was another person at that age. It seems like another lifetime, indeed. I would not wish to be a teenager again, as I'm sure many of us feel. Come to think of it, I wouldn't want to be in most of my 20's again, either.

posted May 21, 2012 12:17 AM            

...As much as I trust my own emotional journey through past life healing, I must say I do enjoy the apparent astrological confirmations I've found in my natal chart.

Asteroids are a fascinating new realm for me to explore.

posted May 21, 2012 10:26 PM            

You might really like the life and work of astrologer SYDNEY OMARR.

And I think I'll join you, three cheers with perhaps a Schlitz (Pa) beer to ya! -- 'A Head on the Top, A Head on the Bottom, and The Beer in the Middle'...

posted May 21, 2012 10:27 PM            

I will start one by one...

Black Seraph,

You may like the book as it goes into - or it promises to go into the occult side of Hitler's quest.

Have you read Dolores Cannon's - Conversations with Nostradamus (there are three volumes). So far I have only read the 1st one and he goes into the Mabus prophecy (however, it is also discussed in volumes 2 and 3). If you are interested, i can post the notes i took (not many but all relating to Mabus).

ok back on topic... wow that is a huge stellium - do you have any clues other than astrology? or are you basing your ideas on astrology and intuition? Just curious how others come to their ideas about their past lives.

the story about the man recalling his past life as a nazi soldier also told of how he was in the occult unit and before the war ended, a group of the soldiers in this unit were trying to put psychic barriers up around Germany to protect it from invasion.

I am not great at reading asteroids yet and I just took a look at all of your placements...there is a lot going on. I don't even know where to start to untangle them.

where is asteroid schindler in your chart?

do you think the ixion/adolphine/alphecca/uranus/wiesenthal would show a possible unexpected death? especially the ixion/alphecca/uranus conjunction? something strange and unexpected about your death?

what are your theories as to who you were - a spy that infiltrated the nazi occult faction? that would be a fascinating story..

I wish I could interpret these better..and hopefully will be able to after more practice.

I do have a book on sabian symbols if you (or anyone else) want explanations to any of these degrees, let me know. This is from Lynda Hill's 360 degrees of wisdom - I'll post the commentary part for all three and let me know if you want me to post the rest - I don't mind at all!

scorpio 11 - ixion/adolphine - a drowning man is being rescued -

symbol of difficulties, relief, rescue and resuscitation. The "drowing man" often indicates someone who's fallen into something that is out of his or her control and who is out of their depth. They can feel like they're being overpowered by their inability to cope with life. This can manifest on any level - emotionally, physically or spiritually. Here he is shown as being rescued and help is, or will soon be, on the way.

scorpio 12/Alphecca - a brilliant assembly of dignitaries at an official embassy ball.

is shown at an offical embassy ball. Everyone is expected to be dressed up, have good manners and follow certain established codes of behavior. As it is a brilliant assembly of dignitaries, we can be sure that some of the people have worked long and hard at getting themselves into a position of power and prestige. They must really be someone in order to be invited. If they weren't special in some way - powerful, political, influential or somehow well connected, they wouldn't be at the ball. Those who are invited range from jaded consulate of some country, who's tired of the social whirl, all the way down to someone who is on their way up.

Do you have to put on a false show in order to belong?

Scorpio 13 - Weisenthal/Uranus - An inventor performs a laboratory experiment

An inventor is seen performing a laboratory experiment. It's hard to know from this symbol whether he is alone or working with others. Regardless of the circumstances, he had to take responsibility for the outcome. The Inventor has to imagine what is possible, gather the necessary ingredients and be willing to take a risk on whether things will work out or not. His experiment may prove to be successful, scary or downright dangerous and risky. If the inventor is doing something new and untried, he must be prepared to step out into unknown territory and be prepared for the whole thing to blow up in his face. However, experiments don't really fail, although he may have to start all over with a new set of plans, something is always gained.

I posted these because I thought they were interesting and to me kind of vibe with the spy infiltrating the nazi society theme - the theme of the first one is rescue, the second one is being part of an important society but having to pretend and then i'm not sure about the inventor in the laboratory...not sure if the Bam/hiroshima at 11 scorp have to do with this.

posted May 21, 2012 10:39 PM            

There are no harsh aspects to any of the Japan related asteroids (mostly draconic conjunctions without many afflictions)or any harsh nessus aspects other than annefrank sq. nessus (0 pisces and 2 leo respectively).

Germania is at 27 virgo sq. my sun at 29 aqua and opposite venus/mars/isis at 24 pisces - not sure if 3 degrees is too wide for something like this.

Sabian symbol for 28 virgo - a bald headed man in uniform has seized power.

A situation where male power is dominant. Doesn't literally mean that person is bald, but baldness is associated with macho strength and testosterone. The fact that he's seen as being in uniform shows that his person has, or needs to be given, a position of authority or power. However, the uniform gives him more perceived power than he deserves.

some of the keywords are: domination, the military, the government, dominating others' mental space, male hormones running rampant, uniforms, following one's lead, the ability to direct and organize many people.

ok would I be interpreting this correctly if asteroid germania in my chart represents all of those things that I lived in Germany during a time when those were common themes? Would this squaring my sun and opposing venus/mars/isis show that I did not have a pleasant experience and the isis opposition...maybe my feminine power (?) suffered as a result of a dominant male?

You once said that isis was the raw divine feminine power and I'm trying to incorporate that.

I feel like I am stumbling around in the dark with the asteroids and sabian symbols so I hope the attempt is not completely comical lol.

Do you think chiron at 22 taurus is too wide to conjunct algol in this case? I do but not sure due to all of the other tight conjunctions.

Also, what do you think of karma exactly conjunct schindler (13 taurus)? that fascinates me most of all the aspects. I actually watched Schindler's List for the first time last night and am now irrevocably obsessed with him.

Also Adolfino (28 libra) is conjunct pluto - (29 libra) - would that just mean that I had a very powerful/transforming experience during this time in history?

there are other asteroid aspects, but I am going to try to work them out little by little.

posted May 21, 2012 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Anger, rage and hate need to heal on a personal AND collective level-- whether towards one's self or others.

"Moral injury" is now being studied and regarded as another dimension of the hurt received by the soul of a human being as the direct or indirect result of exposure to the atmosphere of war.

The cloak of numbness and denial can shield intense feelings of personal shame, guilt, and demoralization, which can lead to one's own sabotage (unconscious or conscious) of success.

Applying the balms of unconditional care, love and higher understanding are crucial for the continuance and survival of life.

We all share a part in this history. I appreciate this topic and the healing that can come forth from its discussion.

Everybody hurts, sometime.

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posted May 22, 2012 01:05 AM            

More than anything what I would want you to know, from the awkward aspect of who I THINK am and what my life's history suggests to me for now, is that I've come to believe there's an agenda by the deep self, the most innermost self, that we come to fulfill.

Something deeper than my conscious mind and even underneath the soul, and I came to accept an assignment that I am still NOT clear about.

In this earth have come to achieve a level of an experience. My soul has given some kind of "big yes" to some kind of building of character. And it hasn't been a "glorious" experience from what I had built in expectations of "me" and what I thought was going on.

And deaths have come and wiped out what thing's I've "achieved" in my lifetime --- but I guess that titles and money, and levels of earthly success --- it's all vanity. I just didn't "get it", I didn't realize.

Natal charts can show blessings and curse: for example, it's good and bad to have 'perseverence' and capacity for great faith because it can cause extraordinary harm without you even realizing it to the self and/or those you have dearly loved and believed in.

Someone recently said that there's a need to discern PAIN.... There's a pain that helps you grow better, and there's the pain that causes scars. Forms calouses.

You stop being able to "feel" and are numb and can't sense it. And through it inside, you can feel too full of feelings. If you can't "feel" (like numb feet across a beach) you couldn't know the difference between sand and chunks of broken glass. You experience harm and continue enjoying the ocean, but don't know you're possibly bleeding to death.

Life after life, we play theatres of experience. Different environments. But maybe and perhaps we play it out again and again (Groundhog Day) until we start to feel it's all so familiar that we finally stop, pull back from the scene, and see the over-arching picture--that we're just in a role, actors. We are 'in character' or can even be dreaming that we're awake, but we're not yet. And we can be acting like we know it---but we don't. I don't.

...And that's what's so hard; I DON'T, but then I DO, but then I don't...

I know enough to know how much I don't know -- it's one thing to "think/grok" it, and another to actually bring "words" to speech and try to communicate. I feel like an idiot and don't want to be an ass trying not to look and sound like an idiot.

How BEAUTIFULLY complicated.
One of the most BEAUTIFUL things I've ever watched in this world is astrology unfolding in the people around me, in global affairs, and in my own history. How coordinated and like a precious... BEAUTIFUL....

posted May 22, 2012 06:29 AM            

@Steppenwolf: Will try to reply in detail tmrw.

@BlackSeraph: Your past lifelines can give Robert Ludlum thrillers a serious run for their money. And please do not give up on your plans of writing, just tapping into your own chart you have like 20 episodes covered

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posted May 22, 2012 01:00 PM            

If you are an idiot, then so am I. Thank you for acknowledging my story...and thank you for your attempt to articulate those subtle aspects of “self” that are indeed well beyond the ability of our clunky, primitive language to even begin to portray.

...I had also been wanting to acknowledge your earlier response in this thread, echoing Steppen's comment above, of “beautiful.” When I first started attempting to heal these past lifetimes, one of the interactions in my mind was to envision the person who had hurt me then, to point out to them how they'd hurt me, and “imagining” or sensing a response from them, having an interaction back and forth, until the hurt was diffused. ...I remember sensing at the time that what I was doing was also healing that other being's soul, on some level. The work you do to heal yourself has effects well beyond your own “soul,” was the sense I got.

I think I sense what you are getting at here. Several years ago, I just had to accept that despite being an intelligent, capable person, any expectations of outer accomplishment in this life had to take a back seat in many ways, at least thus far, to the task of healing the past...of looking back on those lifetimes of much outer activity, influence, and apparent “accomplishment” and having no choice in this lifetime--indeed it seems a requirement of my soul--for my heart to “catch up,” to feel the effects of those actions, the interpersonal interactions that suffered, the ignorant blind spots in my character.

I'd been depressed, probably from my teens at least through my mid-twenties. My late twenties is when the past life stuff started coming to my conscious awareness. ...The long road of healing--past lives, and this life--I have come to embrace as an accomplishment, indeed. If you truly “know” that you are part of a vast 'soul' of some sort--with many lives behind you, and many before you--then having a mere lifetime spent taking stock is nothing to fear; and indeed we could say it is just “part of the program.”

I feel I've done a great deal, thus far, to process those types of hurts of which you speak. I don't want those unconscious callouses that keep me from enjoying the ocean of today's life—and that has been a large part of my motivation to shine a light on each and every dark corner of my inner self, ever seeking to answer the ultimate questions of our existence—the 'Why?' of it all. I've gone through those emotions you speak of, the burden of guilt, shame, pain...and cried from the depth of my soul over my individual fate, and the fate of collective groups I've been a part of, the fate of those whose lives I've affected, the nature of 'good' and 'evil'...cried and cried. I'd say that integral to my ability to sense the 'darkness,' and any part I played in it, was that I concurrently understood my inherent goodness.

As well, in lifetimes with specific goals, some talent is focused on by the soul, sometimes for many lifetimes, while other muscles go undeveloped. It may be overlooked for the time being, but those aspects you are weak in must come to your attention, sometime down the line. I am now *trying* to enjoy the journey of learning, in those areas I feel less experienced in. I'm much more able to 'not know,' now that I am grown. I feel I came here thinking I should "know" everything already!

We were each meant to play those parts, just as we played them. We each had our roles in the drama. I believe in our right to happiness. Yet, as you say, at this point in our journey we are starting to pan back from the scene--to be a player in the scene, and also often be “outside” of the scene, aware of the dream—and what a dream it's been.

As I continue to fully process what initially feel like very personal past life experiences, it seems any ego attachment to those “lifetimes” is at last slipping away. The Groundhog Day feeling is finally waning (one of my favorite movies). As I step back, further and further, peeling away the onion layers, sensing an ever-widening scope of how things are...what a 'soul' is,...at times the concept of individual identity seems more nebulous than ever...and it is a peaceful feeling.

(P.S. LOL at Schlitz beer. ...I think Keystone is the cheapo beer of choice in these parts, nowadays!)

posted May 22, 2012 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
@Jovian: I would like to show you the past life challenges/tragic events in your chart. Seeing them in the chart further facilitates the release. You will be stunned at the accuracy of Asteroids in Past Life Analysis.

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posted May 23, 2012 12:28 PM            

I completely agree...I have fears and blockages now that seem to most likely stem from another life as I have no explanation of how current life circumstances could have created them. Some issues are re-occurring and I think have been prevalent in at least a few lives but I am aware of most (or at least, some) of them.

I have read about ritual abuse of children, it is truly horrifying.

I hope this isn't too personal -do you think the ritual abuse you suffered as Peter was part of a larger scheme (MKultra, etc.)? I am sorry you have had to live through this experience and I am glad you found healing and peace <3

Do you think aspects in your chart show the past abuse theme?

I have quiet a few issues that I think have percolated into my current existence from past lives and I just have this feeling that now/this life is the time to heal them.

It's hard for me because I feel although it's mostly an internal process, there is still external action required. For example, I think one of the issues is being very introverted and having a hard time expressing myself verbally. By the way, I am in awe at how beautifully both you and mirage29 write!!

It took a lot for me to even post on this forum lol, I am very open but also shy. Saturn retro in the 3rd squaring mercury by 1 degree and Saturn also opposite moon (t-square) - so I understand it is a lesson I have to learn and have chosen those aspects.

Interestingly, the book I mentioned earlier (by Miriam Slozberg) addresses how most of the 5 case studies (and herself included) from the Holocaust study suffer from extremely low self esteem. Although I don't have much reason to in life, I have always felt subhuman and suffered from low self esteem (another theme) so this could be in part from the WW II life. This is perhaps the most debilitating issue I have and I am working REALLY hard to get through it and come out on the other side. When I read about the author's same struggles and thought about the reading I had gotten, it made more sense to me and helped me to understand this issue further.

At least we have had the chance to recognize them, become aware of their influence and work on healing and moving on! I am filled with so much gratitude..

I will eventually do a past life regression and if the findings are interesting or confirming, I will post them on this forum ļ

Yes I think such strong feelings do have an origin. I plan to spend the weekend meditating on my possible past WW II experience, reading and learning -I'm swamped at work lately so by the time I get home, I have two working brain cells lol.

I think I will know when I put my intention out there, work on it and am ready to find out for myself. Even a few years ago, I thought how could I learn to trust my intuition? And I'm discovering that it is getting easier as I get older, maybe because I am learning more. I'm looking forward to a day where I can find all of the answers inside..

posted May 23, 2012 12:48 PM            

I had to learn this too with standing up for myself , speaking up (still working on that) and acknowledging that my feelings are as important as the other person¡¦s. In the past I have always kept quiet, internalized everything and took it out on myself but I am determined to break out of that cycle and so far have made a few small steps forward and can really feel the difference.

The worst is someone trying to guilt you into staying with them. Love is not staying with someone out of pity- and the person who is trying to guilt you into staying, how can they be ok with this? This happened with the last person I was with and it was awful but I can see why we came together and what we both had to teach other.

I would not want to be a teenager again! I am 29 and I love getting older. Thankfully, I did not have many bad experiences growing up but I was a different person then as well.

This is my next step -fully feeling and processing all of the pain. I plan on reading about WWII voraciously and looking at photos, plunging into everything etc. this weekend. Also I am going to start to meditate on what happened in that life and see where that takes me and trying to speak with my higher self.

There is only 1 other past life I may know about where I was given specific circumstances. It was also told to me by someone else, however, I am slightly ambivalent about it whereas the WWII one just clicked right away.

Thank you for your helpful hints!

posted May 23, 2012 05:35 PM            

I agree with so much of what you wrote and it moved me. Thank you for sharing personal parts of your stories.

posted May 23, 2012 08:41 PM            

...Along that theme--of a young dependant being betrayed by his guardians--I sensed another life, which seemed more ancient, of being sacrificed by my parents in a public, tribal type of ceremony. It seemed that it was quite normal, and the parents were quite conscious of what they were doing, and not sad. Just something that had to be done, for whatever reason. ...Of course, I had some emotions to process about it, as the victim!

Regarding seeing past abuse in the natal chart...well, IC offered to look at my chart, so I'll be interested to see anything new he might come up with. ...I know I've read interpretations through the years, of certain aspects, that suggest having had a “difficult childhood,” in various ways. Since so little of the astro interpretations are “soul based,” with a view across lifetimes, I choose to sometimes read those interpretations as meaning difficult childhoods in past lives, as well. I'm sorry I'm not savvy enough in astrology to think of them, right now.

Wow..yes, such a t-square must be a challenge. ...And then there's me, with Mars in the 3rd, square Asc... so I've got to work at being more thoughtful before I communicate. Mercury retrograde, as well. So, it seems to me that the internet is ideal, as I can take time to respond more thoughtfully, and am not forced to respond immediately (a challenge for that Mercury), as in a verbal conversation.

You know, I have changed so much, since my earlier days (I'm 40 now). I also had self-esteem problems...perhaps better defined as self-worth problems. At age 25, I could hardly look at myself in a mirror. I'd always been interested in understanding myself. I'd read psychology and self-help books for years, gotten a BA in Psychology in college, yet the cloud of depression I'd existed in as long as I could remember, that I couldn't overcome, was coming to a head. I was out of work for a long time, feeling worthless, even developing a phobia about going outside.

...Around that time, I picked up a book on meditation, and tried in some basic way to calm my mind, and imagine some peace. ...Someone suggested a self-development course, which I took several of, and which eventually started to shift the well-worn grooves in my mind. After several courses, I ironically felt that saying “no” to more courses was a true breakthrough for me. I was finally at a point of trusting my own inner sense of what was right for me. The book “Autobiography of a Yogi,” by Paramahansa Yogananda was also very impactful for me, at that time. ...Likely some past-life connection of some sort. I was drawn to a lot of other “spiritual” works at that time, as well. I started to meditate more, and subscribed to a more formal meditation program for a while.

After a year or so, I felt quite peaceful. Then, the sense of these past life emotions started to come in those contemplative quiet times. Like you, I was working at a tiring job at the time, and eventually would spend my free time laying in bed, trying to focus on these feelings, and draw them out. Over and over, lifetime upon lifetime...as I desired to move forward toward happiness in my current life, there would be something from the past that needed to be dealt with. Each difficult block from the past I solved was a wonderful feeling of clarity and peace and insight. This work is quite tiring. You have to be willing and able to “carry” the past life you are working on around with you, being seemingly present both in the past and the present.

...It takes time. It has taken those many years for it all to cycle to the surface, layer after layer peeled away.... It is only when I take account like this, of just how miserable I was in the past, that I can see how much work I've done.

Anyway, I'm sharing my life story here because I want to let you know that you can feel better, you can come a long way, if you continue to do the work you are obviously sincere about doing. You deserve to feel good about yourself, about life, and shouldn't settle for less. ...Yes, isn't it a blessing, to be able to see in a past life just how we are being affected today? I hope in the future, this mode of “therapy” will become more common. It seems so obvious to me, how helpful it would be.

Regarding karmic relationships... ha! That is another story. I've had relationship after relationship, seemingly tying up the past. But you are right—there is always something to learn. I think I'm finally at the end of the karmic debt relationship train, and am looking forward to a truly happy relationship with someone.

Thank you so much, for sharing, Steppenwolf. I'm glad the discussion is helpful for you. ...You are reminding me of how helpful and meaningful I found a particular spiritual forum...when I was also your age. I guess we find the right help, when we need it.

posted May 24, 2012 07:12 AM            

I will respond to your post above later today but just wanted to write a quick note saying I definitely do not feel like you have derailed anything!

You have added a lot to this thread and I am very grateful for your input, consideration and advice.

Anyone is welcome to contribute with questions, stories, anything!

I am not great with asteroids myself but I am learning (I know some basics like karma and the egyptian asteroids and their meaning and using love asteroids).

We are all here to help each other and share and I am overwhelmed (in a good way)by the responses already received with this topic

Thank you Jovian!

posted May 24, 2012 11:17 PM            

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where is asteroid schindler in your chart?

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11572 Schindler @ 25 Ari 20'2" (Rx), conjunct 12927 Pinnochio and may be slightly out of orb (2 deg 8') of conjunct 343 Ostara @ 27 Ari 28'15". Given the significance, may be a muted aspect.

Schindler also semi-sextiles my 3811 Karma w/ Algol/20256 Adolfneckar/18824 Graves in Taurus, which itself opens up a few questions.

It also squares Black Moon Lilith and 2078 Nanking in Cancer, also squaring Juno/1009 Sirene in Capricorn, and opposition 3404 Hinderer in Libra. Also trines 17806 Adolfborn in Sagittarius. Even more questions, something I'll need to reflect on.

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do you think the ixion/adolphine/alphecca/uranus/wiesenthal would show a possible unexpected death? especially the ixion/alphecca/uranus conjunction? something strange and unexpected about your death?

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The feeling I have indicates a betrayal. Possibly by a woman, which would help explain a few things about romance in this life (notwithstanding the betrayals within this life). Possible I was assassinated. Maybe by a (or another) double-agent.

If I was truly betrayed, it may have been either an SS sympathizer... or a Soviet agent. I must admit, I do have a fascination with Russia as well as Nazi Germany's history.

As for the Sabians, very interesting. The thought of the Germans going for the atomic bomb due to the failure to secure the Spear of Destiny and Ark of the Covenant do make sense.

The feel I get is that there was a serious amount of psychic and spiritual warfare going on prior to World War II (and World War I as well)... as above, so below. My view is that the same is happening today, prior to what could be World War III... if permitted to happen.

Anyhow, the sense I have of infiltrating the Nazi occult echelons may have been an attempt at making up for failing to stop whatever occult or psychic/spiritual role I would have had prior to the war. I'm not sure if I was the "last one left" of whatever group I was with both in the psychic battle front or among spies/infiltrators.

I have also considered the possibility I may have been, at least in part, a collaborator at one point. Perhaps why I somehow feel there's a "double-agent" feel to this. Maybe "triple-agent".

Before I leave off, I did find a few other asteroids I had looked up before that may be pertinent:

25541 Greathouse @ 26 Cap 41'37" (Rx)
623 Chimera @ 26 Cap 59'4" (Rx)
3562 Ignatius @ 27 Cap 24'3" (Rx)
886 Washingtonia @ 27 Cap 49'19" (Rx)

All of these trine North Node/Nipponia/Pyrrhus and the Nipponia stellium, and semi-square Vesta/Victoria/Stalingrad/Martir in Sagittarius. Also seem to trine Karma-Algol/Graves in Taurus.

posted May 25, 2012 07:44 AM            

Schindler CONJ Pinocchio - ha! Someone is being deceptive, in that picture.

I didn't know there was such an asteroid. I've often felt a resonance with the Pinocchio character, as if in some way I were trying to become a "real boy," trying to become human, by getting in touch with my heart, or somehow figuring out what exactly defines "humanness."

Indeed, I find that asteroid Pinocchio conjuncts Chiron, though it is 3 degrees. Healing a tendency to stretch the truth? It also trines my sun, more closely.

posted May 25, 2012 08:49 AM            

I was checking against some of the asteroids you mention on your page about 'psychic' abilities.

Maybe some of these placements reflect the ease of tapping into past lives, among other things?

Anubis/ Discovery CONJ South Node (All within 1.05)

Reiki CONJ IC (0.47) [Trines the Anubis/Discovery/SN]

And is Telephus significant in this vein?
Telephus CONJ MC (0.19) CONJ Pax

posted May 30, 2012 12:44 AM            

I can't express how valuable your responses have been. Thank you so much. Steppenwolf, your writing IS really good. You mention Jovian and me? Oh no, I feel my writing is a mess! You and Jovian flow. Your thinking and ideas are inspiring to me, and not mundane. Gosh.... you started this creativity line. How cool is that?

I think Linda Goodman would have approved the honest exchange of communication here. My sense is that authenticity, imagination, and self-expression, as well as listening and allowing, may have been core to what was important to her. I'm glad we can honor her in this way, from this thread. Appreciation to all. You make a difference to me.

@Black Seraph ----

Astrologer Jeff Green authored the book, "Pluto, The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul." (1985) Llewellyn Publications, MN. Jeff Green used Adolf Hitler's Chart as an example chart. Pages 250 - 256.

@Jovian ---
Astrologer Barbara Hand Clow has written many books. You may enjoy "Chiron: Rainbow Bridge Between the Inner and Outer Planets." (1987,1993-2ndEd). LLewellyn Publications, MN. Much reference is made to planets and influence of past lives.

Another really important book I'd recommend by BHC is, "Liquid Light of Sex : Kundalini, Astrology, and the Key Life Transitions." (1991,...2001). Bear & Company, Rochester, VT.

You're in the wake of some mid-life transits. Be ready for Uranus Opposition Uranus. It's a make or break type of 'transmutation' transit.

(I wish I had known the sets of midlife transits when they started for me back around age 37 years old. Things could have fared a lot differently? perhaps. Forewarned is forearmed. I am not a fan of surprises. Uranus transits provide enough of them all by its own planetary self!)

Today (May 29) is my birthday. I'm 57yrs. The Second Saturn Return approaches me after Saturn enters Scorpio in October... yes, it's identity-crisis crying-time again.

So sorry I haven't written you in the past days. Physically I am NOT feeling well, and it makes concentration and focus a problem. And I'm in one of those emotional passages realizing how Life went by while I was (foolishly?) waiting so patiently and calmly. Just been feeling sorta heavy. Usually very upbeat.

posted May 30, 2012 03:06 AM            

Regarding child abuse, past life and other therapies.

The material elicited could be tainted by the amount of ESP operating in your perception system.

Check your natal charts. In the past the outer planets had formed aspects that thinned the veils of perception, making the ability to 'see through the glass-darkly' more and more clear.

There is a saying about the mistake of 'not seeing the forest because of the trees'?
I don't think many are cognizant of their natal, natural ESP clairvoyance and telepathic abilities.

I have seen for myself that astrology charts can show predispositions ---- all it takes is a catalyzing experience and you've got manifestations. (I'm still exploring, and personally I'm shocked by how real it is and mechanics. )

Consciousness and awareness exists in various states, strata and viscosities. It exists in parts and regions of individuals and in collective groups and sub-groups.

'Concentration camp' or 'sniper mine-field' type childhoods can bridge or perhaps reformat boundaries--- making perception or reception of otherwise hidden material their 'normal' experience of life.

posted May 30, 2012 04:18 PM            

I had been wondering if we'd hear from you again. Glad to see you here again. ...Also, I was getting self-conscious, rambling on about my experiences--ha--but I guess all that needed to come out of me just now. I do appreciate that they were heard, by the few of us participating in this thread. Your acknowledgment really makes all the difference...we all need to be heard by someone, and the realms I generally dwell in in my mind are not something I can easily share with anyone in my life. But then again, many people find camaraderie on the internet, in various veins.

I'm sorry you are feeling blue, but I'm glad you are willing to at least share about it. I imagine T. Saturn currently making hits to your many planets that are at 24 – 27 degrees must be contributing to your current melancholy and questioning of your life, in some part? I find it interesting that you don't think highly of your communication abilities, what with your Gemini Mercury right on your south node, and that conjunction with Mars. And that trine to Neptune seems evident in your lovely, heady self-expression. I also have spent years gleaning more and more from my natal chart. But I can't begin to do what real astrologers do, in helping others find meaning in their charts. It seems truly an art to me...something unfathomable, like composing a symphony.

(As far as my transits...I'll have to read up on what to expect with that Uranus opposition. In the meantime, the first pass of Pluto conjunct Venus went by over the last year, and has more yet to do as it retrogrades. Zowie, such a textbook case, as I was hit by an overwhelming obsession over someone. Neptune square neptune and saturn happening now. Uranus recently conjunct my IC and squared Venus...and indeed, a five-year relationship is ending...and I'm moving!)

You know, my Mercury is on your North Node (opposite your Mercury), and my NN is on your Chiron.

Your perception of what Linda Goodman might have valued is interesting to me. I was coincidentally pondering something similar. I joined this forum, not really having any idea of it's flavor. And aside from the thoughtful interaction in this thread, I've been left trying to understand the peculiar energy of this place. I was thinking of the fact that Linda was Aries. Could this explain the energies going on here? The frequent starting of threads, with less emphasis on the follow-through and depth. As well, most of the threads are of a personal nature, apparently not intended to open a general, thoughtful discussion of a topic. Additionally, the mechanics of the forum do not include personal messaging, which contributes to personal chats within threads; also, there is no search capability, contributing further to the habit of transient, superficial threads as well, which makes me think of air.

...Based on the feel of the board, I was therefore wondering if Linda additionally had a lot of air, and if she was also lacking in water signs. ...Upon looking at her info, as found on Astro.com, she has Sun and Venus in Aries, Moon and Mars in Air, Mercury in Taurus. Saturn, Uranus and Pluto in water; the only Ptolemaic aspect from those outer planets to personal planets being Pluto square Venus. However, I will qualify that the birth info is only given a “C” Rodden rating; thus, I'm not sure I can trust much beyond planets in signs, and maybe not even her moon sign.

Anyway, that's my simple astrological critique...sounding more like criticism, I know, but I'm just trying to get a handle on the milieu here. Chiron is in Aries for myself and several years around me.... Some Arian healing to do? ...And here I am. And I do have mercury in the first (Aries) house. ...Heh. You know, I had not really ever been drawn to pick up Linda Goodman's books, until I found Love Signs at a thrift store recently. I enjoyed her inspired interpretations. What an Aries pioneer she was, indeed. Yes, her spirit allows this forum for us.

A reason to keep participating is getting to hear other perspectives, such as yours...to continue to remind myself that my way of seeing things is not the only way... Does that sound like an Aries lesson, or what? Ha.

Speaking of Chiron, you mention the Barbara Hand Clow book. I actually have that one. I never was able to get into that one, though maybe I'll make another attempt. Maybe Chiron is more important to look at, right now. And I'll have to look into that kundalini book. ...I really was mesmerized by her Mind Chronicles trilogy, however. A mystical journey through her past lives, often as a priest/ess of some sort..druid, egyptian...as well as common lives. Gives you an idea of the parts of our collective past that were not recorded by conventional history, or were otherwise manipulated out of our memories. Stirs your own sense of a forgotten past.

I am at the point of starting to see my own 'past lives' in terms of archetypal energy. As I mentioned before, I am letting go of the ego attachment to my identity in these stories, and feel I am starting to heal what I'll describe as archetypal energy, at this point. Feelings of historical (famous) past lives are giving way to an ambivalence about needing to know if they were indeed 'mine.' They are mine if the remembering of them helps heal me, which they have. The energy of the soul, which can hardly be described in physical terms, is so vast. There are theories galore, but how can we then pretend to understand and categorize what we are tuning in to, when we touch upon 'past lives?'

This archetypal energy is available to be studied on a personal level here, with the asteroids. You mentioned the goddess asteroids, for one.

You mentioned Jeff Green's books to Black Seraph. Yes—I have both of them! I enjoy his interpretations and have gleaned a lot from them. ...How thoughtful of you to provide these references.

I want to ask you further about your comments in your second post ... I'll try to get back a little later or tomorrow.