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Jovian
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posted May 30, 2012 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A book: Beyond the Ashes: Cases of Reincarnation from the Holocaust, by Rabbi Yonassan Gershom.

A reincarnation forum: I used to belong, several years ago, but was unhappy when the moderation got heavy. It seemed to dampen the free self-expressions there.

However, you may find value in searching the forums for WWII related threads.
www.reincarnationforum.com

Here's a blog that mentions someone who tuned in to an apparent past-life in WWII. The method of tuning in to a specific negative emotion seems like what I've been doing, myself.
http://from-the-shadows.blogspot.com/2011/10/memories-of-past-life-in-wwii.html

"The book on past-life regression Dave Bercaw of West Fork, Ark., read in the 1980s was, by many contemporary accounts, unconventional. To arrive in a state in which to 'remember' a life you may have once lived, it didn’t advocate undergoing the widely-accepted practice of hypnosis, it recommended suffering.

“I had read a book pooh-poohing the use of regression hypnosis in past life recall,” Bercaw said. “Instead, the author had recommended concentrating on the most negative emotion one could summon.”

"Doctors and detectives trained in regression hypnosis had at various times tried to hypnotize Bercaw, and failed. So Bercaw tried the suggestion of this book, concentrating on the first things to come to mind – sweat, thirst, and exhaustion.

"Images began to race.

“I recalled events taking place in North Africa and Italy wherein I was a British infantryman during World War II,” he said. ..."

Another interesting past-life account of WWII, also mentions time travel and Philadelphia Experiment, perhaps touching on the esoteric technology the Nazis were involved in, and which Black Seraph may have recollections of.
http://www.crystalinks.com/germany.html

Past life as German SS Officer:
http://www.oocities.org/waffenss_1944/

Past life as Wehrmacht solder:
http://www.oocities.org/axispastlife/steppenwolf.htm

James Leininger, the little boy who remembered his past life as a WWII pilot James Huston:
http://www.facts-are-facts.com/news/sne-26705-pastlife.ihtml

Little boy has memories of the "big furnace:"
http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=se mkiw-ian-stevenson-reincarnation-jewish-concentration-camp-teuvo-koivisto-change-religion&hl=en_US

Brief recollection of Jewish life in WWII:
http://reincarnation-stories.com/content/wwii-death-camp-past-life-memories

More brief accounts, many WWII related:
http://reincarnation-stories.com/adult-reincarnation-stories

Auschwitz past:
http://www.jewishmag.com/109mag/reincarnation/reincarnation.htm

Jewish life in WWII:
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Reincarnation-3284/2010/1/Past-Life-Dream-Past.htm

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posted May 30, 2012 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sorry double post with some haywire editing, read below:

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posted May 30, 2012 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi!

I just wanted to say I have not forgotten this thread either...Just running around like a loon lately and waiting for a night where I can come home and have time to read and write meaningful responses.

Thank you so much for contributing to everyone - and Jovian, please do not feel self conscious about anything! You have already helped me a great deal with your kind words and advice. Also, please feel free to share anything! I have asked a hundred questions already lol.

I have really enjoyed reading everyone's insight and it's wonderful to be able to share and learn from each other.

It took a look for me to post this - I am typically just too shy - and I cannot express my gratitude for everyone's considerate responses and they have definitely helped me feel ok about being open here, which is so nice <3

Mirage - happy birthday!

I will be back in the next few days to read and respond..I've been more or less living at work.


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posted May 31, 2012 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Past Life Voyagers,
Chin up. The moment we discover past life lines, no matter how terrible, it means we are Immortal and have millions of possible future lifelines.
Some "Hakuna Matata" [from the classic Lion King] attitude can never hurt. No need for any regrets in this life as there are many billions of years more

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posted June 01, 2012 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...thanks iQ

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posted June 05, 2012 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Certainly, IQ. I came to that point years ago. In healing these pasts, one sees an ever-broadening view of one's Self, and realizes just that: Life will go on, in one form or another.

However, we are each a one-of-a-kind creation in each incarnation.

...And yes--if there is something you yearn to do in this lifetime, but can't... There is always another lifetime. All your desires can be satisfied... sometime, somewhere.

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posted June 05, 2012 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Jovian -

Sorry about the delay!

oh wow! i think for many people there are common themes in their past lives...i know i have few (all from other people's reading and not my own intuition...not yet at least ), it seems you have some peace regarding your experiences which is important.

by the way - you come across as very thoughtful in your communication -i am the opposite, i am very animated and it's much easier for me to communicate in person than over the internet, which is probably one of the reasons i don't post much. i probably would not have continued posting if it wasn't for everyone's thoughtful replies because i would have been too shy to continue without a gentle, external prompt, if that makes sense - and i am very grateful for it.

i feel i am at this same point right now - i just started kundalini yoga, i have been reading all sorts of books but more about alien races/universe type topics. i feel i have been carrying this fear around for a very long time. i have actually felt better in the last few weeks since i had that reading which is a welcome improvement. i think i just need more confidence in myself and what i am feeling and that will come with practice - and has already started to happen.

thank YOU for sharing - i really appreciate the time and care you took in helping me here, i'm getting a little teary eyed lol - happens more than i'd like to admit (the lady also told me i was an empath but i will deal with one thing at a time).

yes, we do always find the right help when we need it. it's funny how i notice i will put down a certain book for no reason and start re-reading it a year after and realize that i am much more able to integrate the information as a result of something else that had happened in the interim.

i hope you find a wonderful and happy relationship with someone <3

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posted June 05, 2012 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Black Seraph -

I haven't forgotten this thread either...just haven't had time lately.

I wish i was as skilled as IQ at incorporating asteroids and creating a story from them but i have a very basic knowledge of them.

your past life sounds fascinating full of intrigue!

and i completely agree about the psychic warfare.

I am about 1/3 through the spear of destiny, i can't put it down and i think you may find if interesting because it focuses on the occult "history" of Hitler (his past lives even) and the nazis.

If you ever find out more about your WWII life, post the findings here (if you don't mind / i don't want to impose) - i would be very interested to read about them.

thank you for sharing here

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posted June 05, 2012 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mirage - thank you so much <3

also Happy Birthday!! i hope you are feeling better...how are you doing lately?

your writing is not a mess at all! it's inspiring.

also, what in the natals would indicate the amount of ESP operating in your perception system? wow! i never thought of this before - i hope i am interpreting this correctly.

"making perception or reception of otherwise hidden material their 'normal' experience of life." --> by this do you mean having a feeling/fear/mind pattern in this lifetime due to a past one and attributing it to the current life until you are aware of the past?

also, to reiterate what Jovian said - yes, everyone's acknowledgement makes a difference and it is very important.

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posted June 05, 2012 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jovian:
Certainly, IQ. I came to that point years ago. In healing these pasts, one sees an ever-broadening view of one's Self, and realizes just that: Life will go on, in one form or another.

However, we are each a one-of-a-kind creation in each incarnation.

...And yes--if there is something you yearn to do in this lifetime, but can't... There is always another lifetime. All your desires can be satisfied... sometime, somewhere.


perfectly written

thank you for those links above...i will check them out this week as things are slowly winding down for me in a good way..i just transferred departments at work and can for the first time in months leave at a decent hour

i didn't want to post until i had time to read everything through and have time to formulate replies, etc.

hope you are doing well

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posted June 07, 2012 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These are great links - thank you so much for finding them. The story on Crystalinks was fascinating to read

The forum is great - I never thought to look for one. I love reading other people's stories and experiences.

I am going to try focusing on the negative emotion (fear in my case) - i'm a little scared to focus on the fear as I don't want to draw it to myself even more but I will give it a go and see what happens.

I hyperlinked from one of the links you sent and found this which was an interesting read as well: http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=semkiw-anne-frank-barbro-karlen-reincarnation-past-life&hl=en_US

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posted June 07, 2012 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm... interesting though on the focusing on the negative for the past-life memory thing...

...incredibly dangerous, at least in my case. For me, currently the negative emotion that would get results is rage. And the mental imagery I get from that is... very brutal.

I'm wondering if I wasn't an executioner or a witness to very brutal executions in a more distant life. Or if I'm picking up on something else's past.... or future. I hope not future. The imagery invoked involved executions by hammers, two-handed hammers and mutilations of... sensitive regions. For all I know I could be peering into some form of hell. (Somewhat akin to going to sleep after watching the movie Event Horizon at night for some people, maybe).

While my curiosity is hungry, My more rational mind says there has to be a better way than this of recalling previous events.

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posted June 08, 2012 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steppenwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was my initial thought as well, I'm not sure I want to focus in on the negative emotions, however, I'll give it a try and see what happens.

I think it will take a lot of time and practice for me to get any results.

I started kundalini yoga and we do this meditation for about 30 minutes after the class where the instructor plays a gong and your thoughts just spiral, it's quite amazing. He says that if you listen to the gong through a speaker, you will get 70% of the same effect so I think I am going try it that way as I can focus a lot better with the gong sound.

I have really disturbing imagery and thoughts sometimes too and when I was younger I just thought there was something wrong with me. Now I know they came from somewhere.

In the Spear of Destiny - there was a description of the Thule Gesellschaft that Hitler belonged to (with Dietrich Eckhart as the leader of this group) and how they were sadistically killing people from as early as 1919...there was a brief description of the torture which was horrifying. I am wondering if that is where I fit in or if it would be a little later in history (30s-40s).

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posted June 08, 2012 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Steppen! Nice to hear from you, though no need to apologize. I don't think any of us want to be tied to scheduled posts here. (Though I am wondering what Mirage is up to!) I've been reclusive and introspective lately...more than usual, that is. ...It just seems to be how my energy ebbs and flows. And talk about crying, well, that's a given for me--and it sounds like a theme for those of us in this thread! (My "monthly cycle" seems to dictate these more sensitive times.) Those times are when I typically tap into some new info and insight.

I try to wait for what seems like a good time for me for interaction, at least for the more thoughtful type of contributions. (I do have my occasional rants, usually at more anonymous places on the web!) As well, I am away from home and somewhat "off the grid" by necessity on the weekends, so can't usually respond then.

I can understand why the medium sensed you as an "empath." ...Well, that sounds like good news, that you are starting to feel better after that reading. I mean, it must have struck close to the truth, and allowed you to start considering that there is indeed a "real" reason behind this chronic anxiety and fear. That is such a relief...like when you have some diagnosable medical/psychological issue, and you finally hear a name put to it.

On the other hand, I think you mentioned before, someone saying such-and-such happened to you in the past, but it having no resonance for you. Indeed, I have had a reading like this. If I don't feel an emotional connection to it, I just can't do much with it.

Oh yes—books, that's why I'm afraid to get rid of them. I am drawn back to one, years later, after I assumed I'd gotten all I was supposed to out of it, and see something in it I SWEAR was not there before.

Thank you for your kind wishes for me regarding a relationship. You really are a good heart.

Ah yes-- the Anne Frank/Barbro case. I see you found it at Walter Semkiw's site. He has some interesting famous reincarnation case theories there. Some very compelling. I have perused his site many times.

I'd never read this case through. This is interesting. Her childhood memories return, years later, upon meeting a former Nazi guard.

"After her adolescence passed, her past life memories began to fade, which was a relief to Barbro, as now she could finally lead a normal life. As she pursued her career with the Swedish Police Service, Barbro though that she never would be public regarding her memories of being Anne Frank. As Barbro wistfully states in her video interview, 'never say never.'

"It was not until she was in her forties that past life memories began to emerge again. Barbro began having negative interactions with another mounted police officer, who seemed to be persecuting her. It was these interactions that triggered the rekindling of her memories of being Anne Frank and in particular, she recalled scenes from a concentration camp. Barbro realized that this police officer was a reincarnated Nazi guard at the Bergen-Belsen concentration.

"Though these past life memories were painful, they gave Barbro the will to write her book, And the Wolves Howled. Barbro relates that she wanted to show that though these guards, these wolves, participated in her persecution in the Anne Frank lifetime, she would not allow them to hurt her again in contemporary times. She wanted to share with others that the soul perseveres and in this way, to provide comfort to others who may be suffering. "
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Regarding focusing on negative emotions. I would tend to agree it is not a good idea if you seem to be 'forcing' memories to come up. For one thing, in my experience, it is possible to know too much, too soon. I had a brief moment when my mind felt like it was starting to 'schism' and I had the thought, "This must be what it feels like to go crazy," when I tapped into a certain lifetime that overwhelmed me with certain realizations of who I was, what I'd done.

On that *crazy* note... Have a great weekend!

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posted June 09, 2012 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings

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posted June 10, 2012 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings, Mirage! ...Wow! Those guys are a great team! I'd never seen them before. Some really helpful perceptions there, about the recent unique Venus transit with the nearly concurrent partial lunar eclipse.

An odd but interesting tangential mention was made that the term "mad hatter" originated because mercury was used in hat-making in the past...making their brains loopy.

They also mentioned the Mercury trine Saturn aspect as making "good bull****ing to rationalize things." Ha.

Most significantly, they interpreted the Rx Venus conjuncting the sun as being about "relearning to love or value ourselves." Additionally, in Gemini, the sign of duality, means it is about loving all of ourselves--the Jekyll AND the Hyde, the "crappy and the sweet and delicious" parts of ourselves. "When you love the darkness in yourself, it gets integrated into the light."

I mean--come on--is that not what we've been yacking about here?

While the sun in Gemini has us wanting action, action, action, the moon being opposite in Sagittarius means we are pulled to thinking about our long-term goals. Yet, "the best way to handle the future well is to handle the present well." That is a poignant idea for me personally to consider.

They point out that though Venus transiting in front of the sun is relatively rare (the next occurence will be in 105 years) the last time venus transited in front of the sun was only in 2004...and isn't it interesting that there seems to be so much more interest in this event that just eight years ago... That a critical mass of people all over the planet, all focusing their attention on the planet of love, can't be a bad thing!

...And of course, Ray Bradbury passed at that time... Mars was also forming a T-square to this Sun/Venus OPP Moon. There was an article in the news at this very same time a few days ago, that mentioned offering one-way tickets to Mars. Apparently, a Dutch company, Mars One, just a week before the Venus Transit (and Bradbury's death), launched a youtube site introducing a project to start to colonize Mars by 2023. ...And think of all of Bradbury's stories set on on Venus and Mars! (Martian Chronicles, about colonizing Mars. Hello!) Incredible.

P.S. ...That's Dion, you're talking about, our wandering ! And that's the Gemini glyph for ya.

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posted June 10, 2012 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I may be so bold (and I may), I also wanted to reiterate what Steppenwolf said a while back--that all are welcome to participate in this rather free-form thread here. It isn't a private coffee klatsch, despite appearances to the contrary. If you feel compelled to share, bone-pick, whatever, I do hope you feel comfortable doing so!

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EDIT: I'm going back in time-- It is October 13, 2012 -- to mention that we do take this thread off its original past-life asteroid theme for several pages after this point, towards all kinds of general humor and sharing! So, for those hoping for more info related to asteroids...you're not going to find more, until about page 9. Otherwise, enjoy reading the coffee klatsch discussions!


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posted June 10, 2012 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Despina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jovian:
If I may be so bold (and I may), I also wanted to reiterate what Steppenwolf said a while back--that all are welcome to participate in this rather free-form thread here. It isn't a private coffee klatsch, despite appearances to the contrary. If you feel compelled to share, bone-pick, whatever, I do hope you feel comfortable doing so!

Well, I at least have been fascinated by the discussion but have been too timorous to join in... I read a lot on past lives, kundalini, aliens, alternative therapy, and astrology as a teenager but shied away from it due to one too many awful experiences with psychics, healers, astrologers, and even therapists (I put this down to chiron in the eighth. I've read bits of Barbara Hand Clow's book; she feels her lack of clients with the placement is owing to our "highly secretive" nature, but I think it has more to do with a history of being hurt by those from whom we seek healing, leading to mistrust. With that in mind, please don't shoot me down if I say the wrong thing, astrologers!).

I resonate with what IQ said about "the ugly side of past life regression". My mother used to do it with me when I was a small child, and I found the things I saw absolutely terrifying. Like BlackSeraph,I found myself faced with some pretty grizzly imagery. Bloody battlements strewn with hacked up corpses, and me feeling positively gleeful at the sight of it all. I don't know anything about the kind of asteroids that would indicate something like this (sorry!), but I do have Pluto conjunct the south node in Scorpio in the first house.

A lot of Jovian's comments brought a tear to my eye, as I've had similar experiences both in my relationships (repeatedly) and in terms of spending my teenaged years and twenties (thus far) depressed to the extent that leaving the house is seriously hard work.
Lately I've been assaulted by repressed memories and nightmares that leave me sick to my stomach (Thank you transiting chiron and mars for teaming up on my natal saturn/chiron opposition. Chiron is also creeping up on my sun, and pluto on my moon, so I'd say things are set to get worse before they get better). These memories are from my childhood, and I'm terrified to confront them, so I really admire you guys for opening the bigger can of worms that is past life regression/astrology. Thank you all for the great posts, and good luck in your quest for meaning, Steppenwolf.

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posted June 11, 2012 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome Despina ...

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posted June 11, 2012 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Steppenwolf, Jovian, and Linda Jones for your moral support and sincerity!

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posted June 12, 2012 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Despina wrote:
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but I think it has more to do with a history of being hurt by those from whom we seek healing, leading to mistrust. With that in mind, please don't shoot me down if I say the wrong thing, astrologers!).
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You did not say anything astrologically wrong. But never lose faith in the fact that you can succeed in the healing process.
It takes insane courage to incarnate into a Galaxy that has a history of inter stellar abuse, and then to allow yourself to be manipulated by harsh karmic laws [you may have been tricked into absorbing others karmic debts] just to experience a chance at healing your Self or helping others to heal by showing that it can be done.

And Healing is attainable through a step by step process of unconditional Self Acceptance and Forgiveness of Self and others [including the worst abusers]. This needs a lot of patience and courage but the courage has already been amply demonstrated.


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posted June 12, 2012 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said iQ... very well said.

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Greetings, Despina. I'm glad you felt able to share here.

Well, for someone still in your 20's, as Steppenwolf is as well, you seem to have done quite a lot, as far as self-inquiry goes. You are obviously quite evolved. I really do sympathize with the depression you are in, and although it is a real drag to be in the thick of it (I am getting weepy-eyed, thinking of what it used to feel like to be that depressed, as you describe), it sounds like what you are meant to be doing at this time. That sounds blunt, but being on the other side of it right now, I know it to be true. It is a necessary stage in a soul's evolution, at certain point. Perhaps one day, as people share more and more like this, people won't have to feel so isolated enduring such a period of life, and it may not have to feel so harrowing. It is indeed a difficult thing, though, to try to have others in one's life understand what you are going though, if they have not gone through a similar phase and possibly aren't meant to in this lifetime. I mean, what can you tell people when they ask you how you are? “Well, if you want to know, Mom, I'm quite depressed. I haven't changed my clothes in three days. Though, I did manage to brush my teeth today, which I consider quite an accomplishment.”

...I did seek counseling, in fits and starts, during my early college years. The drug du jour that was suggested was Prozac. I was not interested. And talking things out with someone was just not for me, it seemed—though I tried on several occasions. I felt I was meant to figure things out myself. I somehow dragged myself through school, often not attending classes, failing one class for every two I passed, as it was hard to bother going to class, or find any great meaning in this “higher education.” It took me six years, but I got my piece of paper, my certificate of endurance, while I continued to try to understand myself. I used to write in a journal a lot in my early twenties, trying to figure out the “why, why, why?” of everything in my life. ...It really wasn't until the end of my twenties that I seemed to at last emerge from that fog...and then the past lives started.

...Over the years, when I would have the ultimate feelings of despair—what I came to term “suicide pangs”--I eventually was able to simultaneously remind myself that it is always darkest before the dawn. Trite but true. That at the very least, a moment of clarity, an insight, a clue always followed a day when I had such a desperate feeling. Depression seems to be a demand from your soul for significant changes. Some fundamental change in your perceptions of life, of yourself, are now required for you to become more in alignment with your true self.

You mention how you've had a bad time with so-called healers of various sorts. I do feel there is objective truth in this, beyond your personal reactions. ...Despite not really being one for conversational therapy, in my past life journey I often wanted to just find a good past-life therapist who could help me unlock things and understand and appreciate what I've been through. It doesn't seem like a tall order, but it does seem there are not a lot of truly competent, evolved facilitators out there. And perhaps more importantly, these people seem to charge an awful lot. And many of us who most need such help don't have that kind of money. If one had the luxury of establishing a rapport with such a “therapist,” and not rushing through one brief 120-minute session with the unspoken goal of a glimpse of at least one “past life” to show for it, more people might be finding true benefit in such services.

Well, perhaps I'm speaking more for others, when I say the above. Some part of me thinks I'm simply too strange, or beyond the ken of most therapists. Perhaps my fear of being judged is still in the background as well. My journey is my own...as I suppose is true for each of us, in the end.

Yes, I would guess it is apt, with Pluto on the SN, that you would be able to sense potently your past excesses with Plutonian energies. My ex-GF experienced long-term sexual abuse by her stepfather, from a young age. She also has had the sense that she was likely abusive of others in some way, somewhere in her past. It seems a lot of Plutonian healing is what we are sharing here; power—it's use and abuse. I was looking at the BHC Chiron book, and she mentioned that the discovery of Pluto (1930) was around the same time as the Nazi rise to power...

Still, I'm sorry your mother acted so irresponsibly with you as a child, regarding regressing you to past lives. That doesn't sound cool at all. I am reminded of when I asked my niece, about aged five, if she remembered “who she was before,” hoping to get some bit of recollection from her, before that window of opportunity was lost, since they say children retain things for a while, before being immersed in this dense environment. She got a bit anxious, replying something like, “I don't want to be anyone else!” I felt sorry for asking and making her fret.

I just got out my Pluto book by Jeff Green, that Mirage mentioned earlier. The description of a first house Pluto reflects much of what you've shared, as far as drawing to yourself intense experiences, in order to learn. He mentions early in life possibly being in a relationship where you are dominant, and/or one where you are a victim (karmic)...and finally learning about equality in relationships, and balancing your need for freedom (Aries house) and relationship. Also, he mentions that this Aries house means a lot of your actions are instinctual in this regard, and you may not initially understand why you are compelled to do some things. “These people will not know the reason for these desires, nor how to explain them or account for them in a conceptual sense. As a result, they feel less competent than others at explaining themselves, their actions, their needs and who they are. Negatively, this dilemma can create a situation in which the individual adopts someone else's values and beliefs. This inevitably leads to an extreme reaction in which the individual rejects those beliefs at some point. In this reaction, the individual retreats into isolation in order to recover or discover who they are as an individual, independent of what they have allowed themselves to adopt.” ...Just a bit I pulled out, if you even find that description apt.

You say you admire us for exploring past lives and astrology, but goodness, delving into your own childhood is just as significant, considering what you've expressed it was like for you. ...And that chiron in the eighth—well. I was reading the BHC description. Often, repressed memories don't surface until sometime in the 30's or later. The decision is yours to delve into those memories—when you are ready. Perhaps part of your healing/karma is indeed to feel it so severely. ...Are you perhaps afraid to feel just how powerless you were, in your childhood? What an incredibly vulnerable position being a child is? Are you afraid of the rage you may feel? Perhaps anxiety about seeing just how greatly this past has influenced who you are today?

...Thank you for sharing here, Despina. Sharing that you are in the midst of such anguish can be helpful to yourself, not to mention others. It is quite an accomplishment, to be willing to share, especially when one is not “on top of things,” if you know what I mean. I feel it is quite a courageous thing to do, to expose ourselves when we are vulnerable. I don't know that I could have done similarly, when I was in the pit of depression. That feeling truly sucks! As IQ said above, you obviously have the courage it takes for the healing you are meant to experience.

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posted June 12, 2012 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jovian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"More" - Now I know what that song is called! Lovely.

Mirage

Your self-expression is beautiful.

...

"And set up their Fog Horn and sound it and sound it out toward the place where you bury yourself in sleep and sea memories of a world where there were thousands like yourself, but now you're alone, all alone in a world not made for you, a world where you have to hide."

...

I Am The Bubble, Make Me the Sea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQZ6QwCDOkE

A lovely piano version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BPJYR_PHdM

Yoganandaji singing O God Beautiful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjcqdiQRTJ8

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This is such a lovely thread in terms of the love and serenity it offers even though the topic is so potentially painful.

I've read about half of it and will come back to read the rest. There's so much to learn.

On a slightly related topic I just started a thread on a dream I had about iQ -
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/214042.html

And I'm inviting each and every poster from this thread to check it out and comment if you like. I'd be honored

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