posted June 14, 2012 02:06 PM            

For some time now I have been trying to ascertain how effective and potent Rudra really is ...

My Rudra conjuncts my Twin Flames Pluto and opposes his Moon, Mars and Valentine.

His Rudra conjuncts my Karma and opposes my Pluto which is conjunct his Karma

The above is the reason I had to believe that Rudra is more than the average asteroid.

Random googling on Rudra led me to an exercpt from a book by Frawley
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In a gist, David Frawley says that Rudra is the Fire of Prana, we encounter this energy whenever we undergo a catharsis that leads to emotional transformation, shift in personality. Rudra brings inetnsity in our lives that causes us to evolve .... to achieve a deep state of transformation only the energy of Rudra has to be invoked within - otherwise deep transformation that frees us from all limitations is NOT possible.

The deity Rudra is the liberated soul free from all limitations.

Kaali is the female deity and counterpart of Rudra so she is equally.

Please list which planets make aspect to Rudra natally and if Rudra is aspected or in action then check it in syanstry. I want to research both Rudra and Kaali because they are so important.

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posted June 14, 2012 03:24 PM            

KAALI on 12 Gemini in 7th house conjunct Inannen and Astarte, and also conjunct SN (2-3) and Karma (3).

RUDRA on 8 Virgo conjunct Hekate and Lilith,
square Atlantis on 8 Sag exact, also squaring ASC, NN and Neptune

Grand Earth trine of Rudra/Lilith/Hekate (6-8 Virgo) trine Venus-Isis-Osiris (6-8 Cap) trine Lucifer, Actor, PoM and Eros/Psyche-mp (6-8 Taurus).

Opposite Isthar and HOrus on 8 Pisces, Ceres on 9 Pisces, Pholus on 6 Pisces, Jupiter on 11 Pisces.

posted June 14, 2012 03:30 PM            

Whoa, RUDRA on 12 Cancer conjunct KAALI on 12.4 Cancer in 8th house.

trine Moon in on 10.5 Pisces
squqare Pluto on 13.5 Libra

posted June 15, 2012 06:33 AM            

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posted June 15, 2012 06:51 AM            

so that is one more pairing in composite to add (there are also
- Isis conjunct Osiris - 3 degrees
- Eros trine Psyche - exact
- Ariadne conjunct Bacchus - 3 degrees)
- Mary trine Yeshua - 1 degree
- Sootyo trine Soomana - 2-3 degrees)

posted June 17, 2012 01:27 PM            

Rudra is our spiritual heart whereas our emotional-physical heart is a fragmentation of our feeling potential. Rudra is pure feeling,knowing, love passion and courage.

When we move out of the spiritual heart Rudra's arrow is drawn against us, celestially Rudra is the constellation Aardra corresponding to Beteleguese and the ORion's belt ...

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Ardra, the seed of Rahu's energy, consists of the bright star in the constellation of Orion, known in modern astronomy as Betelguese (Al/pha-Orionis). With a Visual magnitude of 0.57, this red giant is one of the brightest Stars in the night sky. Betelguese is the bright star at the top left hand corner of Orion. It is revered in most ancient cultures as a very important star as it is supposed to have a strong influence on our planet. The ancient vedic seers saw this bright red star as being the abode of Rudra, the fierce red form of Shiva.

Ardra, the seed of Rahu's energy, consists of the bright star in the constellation of Orion, known in modern astronomy as Betelguese (Al/pha-Orionis). With a Visual magnitude of 0.57, this red giant is one of the brightest Stars in the night sky. Betelguese is the bright star at the top left hand corner of Orion. It is revered in most ancient cultures as a very important star as it is supposed to have a strong influence on our planet. The ancient vedic seers saw this bright red star as being the abode of Rudra, the fierce red form of Shiva.

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posted June 21, 2012 02:21 PM            

I've read some of your older posts connected to your TF relationship. It's nice to meet you.

Sorry about taking some time to get back to this thread, but here's the info on my synastry with someone who I feel is my TF in real life and astrologically is a "suspected" TF. Still working on analyzing our charts.

A bit over a month ago I'd asked iQ about the multiple Rudra contacts in our synastry--
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001067.html

I'll summarize some of the salient points from my thread--

My Rudra conjuncts his SN (exact) and his Rudra conjuncts my SN (1 deg).

Composite Rudra conjuncts comp. SN (exact) in comp. 1H.

(Our natal NNs are in ea. others' 7H, and comp. NN is in comp. 7H).

Also, my Rudra conjuncts my own Moon, and squares his Mars/Venus conjunction (0-2 deg).

His Rudra exactly trines his own Sun, and sextiles my Venus (1 deg) and semisquare my Mars (1 deg).

So there seems to be a DW between Rudra and our nodal axis and Sun/Moon/Mars/Venus in synastry.

Additionally, my Rudra also conjuncts his Desc. (2 deg) and his Rudra trines my IC exact!

So the Rudra theme is prominent in my synastry and composite-tied to the nodal axis, the Asc/Desc axis and the IC/MC axis, along with Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars.

posted June 21, 2012 02:26 PM            

Here's what iQ had said--

"Dear LJ,
The Rudras were a highly evolved type of Realized Entities. They did not have blood lust. In Myths, death and destruction almost always means irreversible transformation.

The Rudras play their part as being agents of Metamorphosis. A Strong Rudra Theme in synastry will thus play out as irreversible Personal Change if you both actualize and sustain the relationship."

Here's how I'd responded--

"Oh iQ, you cannot imagine how relieved I feel!

So Rudra kinda sounds like Pluto at its best. The change and transformation at a deep, almost molecular level, has been happening pretty much from the very beginning.

Shortly after we met he said one day right out of the blue-"I'm going to take a journey, walk on a road I've never been before." Upon my asking which road that was, he said, "the one that will make me become more fully who I am." I said, "And then what do you think will happen?" He replied, "You will be the prize at the end of the road."

Inwardly I buckled hearing him say that. As it turns out, I've actually been walking with him on that road. In the first two years alone, we went though stuff that most married people would go through in 10-12 years of marriage.

He's the one I think is my twin (soul wise). There are things we knew about each other right from the beginning, which have, over time become a reality not only between us, but also, as I'm now finding out, have an astrological basis.

I'd assumed that the change and transformation was due to our several Pluto contacts in synastry and composite. With your Rudra explanation however, I can now see how the picture is completed and makes perfect sense.

Thank you so, so much."

I'd also added-

"Just wanted to add that the change in both of us has been the gradual destruction of individual ego. I seem to be driven to understand and experience ego less love and I think my chart reflects it (as much as I understand astrology so far lol)."

There are some more details on the thread about the Siva/Kali/Parvati contacts.

Anyway, I hope this helps your research. I'd be curious to know what you think?

posted June 22, 2012 01:34 AM            

Some asteroids work on name frequency basis but some work like planetary energies through a microscope.

BUT - as in your case I think it works when their are asteroid aspects in the natal chart with atleast one personal planet that weighs in synastry like sun,moon or venus.

Conjunct your Snodes mutually - you have played this transformation game before as spouses, how it ended we don't know.

The theme repeats with the conjunction to your Composite Ascendent - THAT is the elephant in your composite. Irrespective of how it ends the intention of this relationship seems Rudra.

As for Pluto - Pluto being generational cannot be generalised as a TF marker even if there multiple aspects between charts and even then instead of a postitve transformation as in your case it ends up being just a nasty experience you learned something from.

Asteroids like Rudra act like a magnifyinf glass for Pluto energy - natally as well as in synastry.

I think we should also check natal aspects to Rudra and see if it interplays with Pluto.

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posted June 22, 2012 02:16 AM            

Thanks for your input.

"The theme repeats with the conjunction to your Composite Ascendent - THAT is the elephant in your composite. Irrespective of how it ends the intention of this relationship seems Rudra."

The Rudra conjunction is actually to the composite SN in 1H. Would you still interpret it the same way as you have in the above paragraph?

Sorry, I think I wasn't clear in my earlier post. It is in synastry that Rudra is tied to the Asc/Desc. axis and the IC/MC axis--not the composite. My Rudra is on his Desc. and his Rudra is trine my IC exact. But perhaps it means the same thing as what you said for the composite above?

"Conjunct your Snodes mutually - you have played this transformation game before as spouses, how it ended we don't know."

Ceri and Taineberry have helped analyze my synastry to a certain degree (still needs to be analyzed fully). But Ceri concluded that we have had past lifelines in Atlantis possibly as a married couple, and also as High Priest/Priestess.

"Asteroids like Rudra act like a magnifyinf glass for Pluto energy - natally as well as in synastry."

Do you mean Rudra increases the energy of Pluto? For example, my natal has Rudra conjunct my Moon. So it's like having an enhanced Pluto-type effect on my Moon?

"I think we should also check natal aspects to Rudra and see if it interplays with Pluto."

How do you mean? Could you give an example? My apologies, I'm still new to astrology and need to have things spelled out.

"I was skeptical if it would work as much as Pluto on non-indians or those who weren't indians in their past lives."

Do you think Rudra conjunct our mutual S. Nodes indicates that we possibly had past lifelines in India?

Also, are you researching Rudra in TF synastry and composite?

posted June 22, 2012 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Hi VenusdeIndia,

Thanks for your input.

[b]"The theme repeats with the conjunction to your Composite Ascendent - THAT is the elephant in your composite. Irrespective of how it ends the intention of this relationship seems Rudra."

The Rudra conjunction is actually to the composite SN in 1H. Would you still interpret it the same way as you have in the above paragraph?

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Well, no. Then it would be an important theme but not THE theme. In my case TF and I have Chiron conjunct our Composite Asc and Eros conjunct composite DC - zero degree orb.

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Sorry, I think I wasn't clear in my earlier post. It is in synastry that Rudra is tied to the Asc/Desc. axis and the IC/MC axis--not the composite. My Rudra is on his Desc. and his Rudra is trine my IC exact. But perhaps it means the same thing as what you said for the composite above?

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I was clear, I still hold the same opinion all things being same.

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"Conjunct your Snodes mutually - you have played this transformation game before as spouses, how it ended we don't know."

Ceri and Taineberry have helped analyze my synastry to a certain degree (still needs to be analyzed fully). But Ceri concluded that we have had past lifelines in Atlantis possibly as a married couple, and also as High Priest/Priestess.

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For that please share other tantric aspects.
Maybe I should share our tantric aspects in another thread, I also want to understand ...

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"Asteroids like Rudra act like a magnifyinf glass for Pluto energy - natally as well as in synastry."

Do you mean Rudra increases the energy of Pluto? For example, my natal has Rudra conjunct my Moon. So it's like having an enhanced Pluto-type effect on my Moon?

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Not increases, fine points, hones, focuses, like the point on the paper that catches fire though the magnifying glass is so big ... get it ?

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"I think we should also check natal aspects to Rudra and see if it interplays with Pluto."

How do you mean? Could you give an example? My apologies, I'm still new to astrology and need to have things spelled out.

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Okay like if you have Pluto in the eighth and Rudra conjuncts your Venus but it is NOT aspected by Pluto - it will be as if the point on the paper that catches fire, themes of transformation and death will haunt your venus and it's house ... I think so that is...

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"I was skeptical if it would work as much as Pluto on non-indians or those who weren't indians in their past lives."

Do you think Rudra conjunct our mutual S. Nodes indicates that we possibly had past lifelines in India?

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Please let me know natal and synastry aspects involving indian theme steroids and asteroid Bharat or India ..

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Also, are you researching Rudra in TF synastry and composite?

Thank you for your patience with my questions. [/B]

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posted June 23, 2012 03:16 AM            

Interestingly in a composite I am looking at
Rudra is on the antiscion of Kaali, and the Draconic Rudra and Kaali "frame" the conjunction of NN and Sun.

Kaali squares Siva

Dr Kaali conjunct Siva
Dr Siva conjunct Kaali

and synastrically

my Rudra trines his Kaali-Parvati-Sun
his Rudra sextiles my Parvati and my Sun (it is conjunct his own Moon)

his SIva trines my Kaali with 3 degrees

posted June 25, 2012 05:21 PM            

Thank you so very much for answering my questions so fully. I completely appreciate your taking the time. And I understand how Rudra fine tunes Pluto. It's like iQ explained about Karma fine tuning Saturn. The magnifying glass example sure made things very clear about Rudra being Pluto's fire.

"Please let me know natal and synastry aspects involving indian theme steroids and asteroid Bharat or India .."

Thank you for pointing this out. It takes me longer to get thro stuff like this than other people who are more skilled in astrology.

But I have the info on Bharat. Couldn't find an asteroid India which is fine as I know Bharat was the older name for India and using it makes more sense.

Found some interesting results, but I'll let you be the judge--

My Natal:

My Bharat conjuncts my Saturn/Vesta conjunction,
semi-squares my Karma,
trines my Moon/Varuna conjunction,
trines my Siva exact,
opposes my Soma,
septiles my Parvati

His Natal:

His Bharat sextiles his Pluto/Soma conjunction,
quincunxes his Siva/Neptune conjunction (Neptune-his chart ruler),
quindeciles his NN,
septiles his Sun,

Synastry:

My Bharat/Saturn/Vesta conjunction sesisquares his Bharat,
exactly trines his Desc. and sextiles his Asc.,
trines his Juno/my Moon/his Varuna/his SN conjunction,
squares his Mars/Kama conjunction,
squares his Vishnu/Eros conjunction,
T-squares his Parvati and Kaali/Samadhi opposition,

His Bharat conjuncts my Sun,
sesisquares my Bharat,
opposes my Karma,
sesisquares my Saturn/Vesta conjunction,
quincunxes my Desc.,
squares my Pluto,
quincunxes my Jupiter,

His Bharat squares composite Juno/Vesta conjunction (this conjunction is part of a kite formation in the composite)

Composite:

Comp. Bharat is exactly conjunct my n.SN/his n.Anti-Vertex/his n.Rudra,
comp. Bharat conjuncts comp. Parvati,
and quincunxes comp. Kaali, and trines comp. Kama,
comp. Bharat exactly squares his n.IC,
and trines his n. Sun,
comp. Bharat sextiles my n. Venus (my chart ruler),

comp. Karma trines his n.Bharat.
Comp. Ganesha/Rudra exactly conjunct comp. SN
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There are other Tantric aspects not involving Bharat, Karma, or Saturn.

I hope I didn't make this too complicated.

I wondered if the above are any indication that we had a past lifeline in Bharat. Also with my Bharat/Saturn/Vesta conjunction aspecting his Bharat, is there a possibility that we had the sacred marriage in Bharat?

posted June 25, 2012 08:21 PM            

Just realized something that might be the clincher to whether or not my TF and I had a past lifeline in Bharat--

Composite Bharat is making a 13th harmonic (27 degree, 42 min) aspect to composite SN!!! With an orb of 43 minutes (astrologers allow an orb of 56 degrees for this aspect).

The 13th harmonic aspects are considered important in TF synastry!!

What do you think?

posted June 26, 2012 01:35 AM            

The Sabian symbol for the Pisces degree (23) is A "MATERIALIZING" MEDIUM GIVING A SEANCE."

Keynote--The ability to give of one's own vital energy to substantiate one's conscious ideals or unconscious desires.

I guess it shows some sort of psychic power.
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Composite SN is at the Sabian of 20 Aries--

A YOUNG GIRL FEEDING BIRDS IN WINTER.

KEYNOTE: Overcoming crises through compassion.