posted June 19, 2012 06:49 AM            

you asked me some time ago for a descirption of the Black Moon.

I have gathered some bits and pieces I or others wrote on her here:

Personally I think Lilith relates very much to truth and honesty; so much in fact that she even gives up security and comfort for it, even love.
She can`t make compromises; it`s all or nothing. And every connection must be based on equality.

How this plays out in synastry depends how both persons react to Lilith.
If the guy is actually scared of an equal partner and wants an obedient one, he will try to overpower her and MAKE her obedient.
But noone overpowers Lilith, which can lead to nasty powerplays.

It also can mean that the guy is utterly repulsed by a woman who has strong Lilith traits and is strong and independent, but inside there is a very strong and raw sexual attraction. I once read that Lilith signifies the woman, that can drive a man over the edge, probably with both passion and fury.

But also for a woman Lilith represents not only how SHE is, but it also seems to signify what she will feel drawn to.

So in synastry the most obvious effects may be: a strong raw sexual attraction, powerplays, being confronted with the truth of ones feelings and life."

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/020089.html

comment: presently I think that in a nutshell BML gives a "Moon-Pluto-feel"

Personally for me BML has a lot to do with TRUTH, INTEGRITY, which in her case means: No compromise!

She rather gets expelled than succumb to social rules she can`t accept.

Demand for equality - she does not want to overpower anyone, but she demands to be treated and respected as an equal; when that does not happen and she feels to be treated unjustly, this triggers her WRATH and RAGE, and MURDEROUS FURY (but that actually is only a consequence, a reaction to what is happening to her, it is not at the core-beginning. It is a defense mechanism, a surivival instinct kicking in).

Of course being a lunar symbolism, Lilith is rarely objective.

I wrote some bits in january on this
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000731.html
http://www.mountainastrologer.com/standards/editor's%20choice/articles/lilith_ hunter/lilith.html

BML is about the instinctive, primal, uncivilised emotions inside of you; those emotions living deep inside your soul, and usually you like to have them locked up in some dark corner, because they do not seem "fitting" or maybe even "taboo".
BML doesn`t care for categories like this though, which makes it difficult to incorporate her in everyday life.
She makes for some fiery emotional dramas worthy of the ancient tragedies or Shakespeare, leading up to katharsis.
If you meet her inside or even in the outside, you might be startled; if it is someone from the outside, it might feel like he or she reaches directly into your soul, including the "dark" parts.

I think that is why she is stong in actors, who played in vampire movies as well, because like the vampiric theme she represents the subconscious urges/ instincts, that do not care a little bit for society`s rules or moral standards (of course there is a reason we have rules, to make living together even possible!).

As a matter of fact LILITH was depicted as the first vampire in mythology I believe.
And as succuba.

Darkstar astrology features a lot of Black Moon Lilith articles and interpretations, and I find her take on it quite fitting

posted June 21, 2012 05:00 PM            

THANK YOU for taking the time to put this together for me!! It's so complete in its info, that I now realize why you said it would take some time. I saw the thread the day you posted it but had to complete some other things first, before I could get to this one. I wanted some time to read through the info you suggested.

I'm truly grateful for this. After reading through your post as well as most of the links, I now have a sense of BML. I think she packs quite a punch in intensity and an uncompromising approach. I also now see why you would want to include her in synastry.

posted June 21, 2012 05:01 PM            

"I am not convinced that the addition of "Lilith" to the Black Moon really does it justice though.
It really is the black Moon, the dark side of the moon, not really Lilith. Unless of course Lilith represents exactly that.
But since the asteroid Lilith is definitely differnt from Black Moon (though there are also similiarities), oh well, I don´t know.

I know though that I find the Black Moon to be EXTREMELY significant, to the point that I am tempted to consider it in one line with the other solar-lunar symbols like Sun, Moon, Sun/Moon-mp, nodal axis.

What it represents to me among anything else is a very "primal instinctivity", which is often shunned and experienced as dangerous or evil, because it is not accepted in our society, it is not civilized, and thus invokes a hard to grasp fear, yet tremendous fascination in us.

Maybe that is the reason that I often find the BML in actors of vampire films and series, rather prominent? (well it is hypothesis only, have not proved it yet, but I dare assuming that these actors will have Pluto or Scorpio prominent in relation to Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or BML to the same set, probably both).

BML can be very "witchy", and "magical", but not the glamourous sparkly fairy-dust kind of magic we are often shown in films.
There is a magic of the soul, and getting in touch with ones innermost soul CAN be scary. I mean really connecting to the deeper, often hidden, sides. There is a reason we try to hide them!

What does it say about is if we really feel inside that we cannot LIVE without a lover, that we NEED and CRAVE him like the air we need to breathe, and without him, we will just wither and die?

Or if we address feelings like jealousy and greed and a thirst for revenge?
We know consciously, reasonable, that the other person had their reasons to act the way they did, but despite knowing in a tiny tiny corner we simply might want to see them punished.

The Moon usually uses its emotionally to care for, nurture, even pamper the other.
The black Moon shows us yet another side to our emotions, totally uncompromising in its intensity, and - we fear- uncontrollable.

By controlling it though, we distort it, pervert it, push it into a "shadow-corner".
The more we suppress, the stronger they get inside, and probably the stronger the obsessive / compulsive character gets.

It`s not a coincidence that BML often appears in charts of sexually motivated crimes. BUT that imo is a perverted manifestation for the BML, not the normal-healthy version.

Anyway the other keyword I associate with the Black Moon (but that is very Lilithian as well=) is "uncompromising truth".
BML cannot compromise her truth. Period.
Not even when it means she will be outcast. She.Doesn´t.Surrender.
Never.

Lilith refused to lie beneath Adam. No, she didn`t want to dominate him. She wanted an equal partnership, as they were equal partners.
He - and God, said no.

Sh couldn`t change their mind. She could only make her decision and face the consequences.
Stay with Adam and be his subordinate, compromising a lot of w hat she was.
Leave him and be outcast from all society to the price of loneliness, but staying true to herself.

She left.

(and then was being severly punished by God and his angels for defying him and refusing to "know her place".)

posted June 21, 2012 06:46 PM            

Here's what I have in natal, synastry, and composite:

MY NATAL:

2H BML is conjunct NYMPHE (exact) and THISBE (1 deg)
exactly opposite GC/JUNO conjunction in 8H
and sextile SEKHMET (less than 1 deg), and sextile ATLANTIS (exact--4 Minutes apart!)
Am I a closet, er ...????

No aspects to my natal planets tho.

HIS NATAL:

You're not going to believe this!!!
His 12H BML is conjunct his Moon by 1 MINUTE!!

And his Mean BML (h21) is also conjunct his Moon by 2 MINUTES!!

All 3--Moon, BML, Mean BML, square Saturn by 1 degree (Ouch!)

His Moon/BML conjunction is also conjunct his PYRAMUS (3deg)

Hmm ... His BML is conjunct his PYRAMUS, my BML is conjunct my THISBE ...

Synastry:

My BML is conjunct his IC in Gemini, CERES, WISDOM, APHRODITE, and LOVEJOY (note--his SUN is exactly conjunct my IC in Cancer)

And my BML is widely sextile his PLUTO (3 deg), and exactly square his Jupiter/Vertex conjunction.

His BML is conjunct my DESTINN, COMPASSION, and ZEUS.

His BML/Moon conjunction widely opposes my Pluto (6 deg)

Notice the BML/WISDOM and BML/COMPASSION pairing.

Composite:

1H BML at 2 Tau 20, exactly trines 5H PLUTO (ruler of intercepted 8H) and opposes 7H NEPTUNE.

Sabian for this BML: (TAURUS 3°): NATURAL STEPS LEAD TO A LAWN OF CLOVER IN BLOOM.

KEYNOTE: The gradual expansion of the individual consciousness after a fecundating experience.

Also 1H BML is conjunct AMOR, LILITH (asteroid), ASTREA, and HECUBA
AND exactly square KARMA
AND sextile JUNO/VESTA conjunction (0-2 deg)

posted June 21, 2012 08:26 PM            

Im not sure if you would consider it a DW or not.. But with Fishy
His Lilith is conjunct my Moon exact
(also conjunct my sun,and mercury)
My BML is conjunct his Moon

Composite Lilith is conjunct Moon
and BML is conjunct Jupiter (maybe wide)

We definitely have that whole "lay down to me thing"
Its been a big issue... For the last what 8 months we have been trying to get each other to bend to "our way" yet neither of us will...
Well after 8 months I did bend for him, but I was upset over it... I think he knew, so he "then" bent for me and gave me my way...

Maybe the lesson here is compromise??
When neither of us bent, we got no where.....

Mix this energy with moon/pluto and venus/pluto and well we have this crazy push pull.. I cant be with you or with out you thing...
Its very hard to go with out talking to him... I didnt call him at all yesterday.. Thats not acceptable for him.. So he called me first thing in the morning and woke me up.. Just wanting to say Hi...

Thats me fishy!! How adorable is that

posted June 21, 2012 10:50 PM            

"Im not sure if you would consider it a DW or not.. But with Fishy
His Lilith is conjunct my Moon exact
(also conjunct my sun,and mercury)
My BML is conjunct his Moon"

The asteroid Lilith tho is completely different from BML and is more concerned with social issues of equality and emancipation.

posted June 25, 2012 02:26 PM            

What are the chances that BML's energy could turn violent in a relationship given her intensity and the uncompromising approach?

Also, would you mind commenting on my post above--the one with the natals and synastry?

posted June 28, 2012 07:05 PM            

Meanwhile I was doing some more reading on the BML from the Inner wheel (if you remember you'd introduced me to this site a couple of months ago ).

So--about choosing between the true (oscillating) BML and mean BML, this Dawn Bodrogi lady says--

"I’m talking about the Lilith that is represented by the apogee of the Moon—the Moon’s furthest point away from the Earth in its elliptical orbit of the Earth. This orbit is not steady, but extremely wobbly, which is why you have a choice of the True (or Oscillating) Black Moon or the Mean Black Moon. Even this is mysterious (we will find that many things about the Black Moon are mysterious, uncertain, and hidden). Apparently, even the “True” Black Moon is only True when it’s actually touching the ecliptic (the path of the Moon) and the rest of the time it’s just as wonky as the other measurement. I’ve always favoured the Mean Black Moon—I’m comfortable with mean measurements in astrology because they seem to represent a concentrated essence of the measurement. I like to think that the mean measurement is the concentrated essence of the Black Moon and the Oscillating Lilith represents the parameters of that influence."

In answering a reader's question Ms. Bodrogi also says--

quote:

---

"Dear Dawn,

Some sites speak of a true lilith mean lilith corridor between them and any planet in between them having a lilithian flavor.
Do you agree?

Dawn Bodrogi:

From what I’ve seen, yes, but I haven’t done enough work on it to be absolute.

---

On some other sites I read that because measurements for mean BML have been around for a longer time (100 yrs. or so), astrologers tend to just use mean BML.

Personally I don't think that's a good reason, i.e., to just do something because that's the most common way to do it.

But I was curious, Ceri, as to why you prefer to use true BML over mean BML?

Also, what are your thoughts about this "corridor" between the true and mean points of BML?

posted June 29, 2012 01:32 AM            

I am pretty torn in the mean vs true question.
I tend to use true Lilith though (I also use True Node, and not the mean one or the corridor between them).
Maybe there is something to the corridor (mine is very tight: 4 degrees; mean lilith actually is exactly conjunct my Psyche).

I`d observe exact transits to lilith, in my experience Lilith-experiences (especially Kundalini-rising) usually happens (to me at least) when my True Lilith is being triggered, but I would have to observe more transits.

I also found it interesting that an actor who plays a vampire (Lilith has also been related to the first vampire in mythology) has true Lilith in Cancer in 8th house trine Scorpio-Venus.
On the other hand the mean Lilith is in Leo conjunct Jupiter (chartruler) and trine ASC.

posted June 29, 2012 01:39 AM            

has his true Lilith exactly opposite my true Lilith

In the first meeting chart we had:
True Lilith conjunct ASC (2)
Eros conjunct DESC 82)
And true Lilith was EXACTLY opposite Eros

additionally
DESC was conjunct my natal Kaali exact, and Siva was exactly square my natal Kaali (and first meeting Eros and DESC-ASC-axis. Siva was also conjunct Parvati. And Moon conjunct Pluto)

The Mean Lilith was in the 12th house, opposing Sun and squaring Saturn

It was a pretty intense meeting. lol But I feel that the True Lilith was more indicative than the mean one.

posted June 29, 2012 04:34 AM            

ORBIT. It has a 9 year orbit and interestingly spends 9 months in each sign. Very apt for the Full Moon phase. This describes beautifully the gestation of Osculating Lilith to Mean Lilith in the corridor. The corridor being the womb.

KEY WORDS. Magic, animal magnetism, kundalini, creative force, tantric sex, seduction, intuition, psychic ability, imagination, poetry, psychic healing, hypnotism, charisma, glamour, shamanism, mushrooms, psychedelic drugs.

This is not a solid object, it is a point of alignment. The Black Moon is the apogee of the Moons orbit, the point that is farthest from the earth. Just as points like the North Node and the Vertex are hugely important, so is the lunar apogee.

Black Moon Lilith orbitJust as there is a Lunar mean and true Node, so there is a Mean and True (osculating) Lilith. As I have found True Lilith to have just as strong an influence as Mean Lilith. Together they form according to Lilith expert Kelly Hunter, a Black Moon Corridor. True Lilith has a wildly vacillating orbit and demonstrates the same quality as an anaretic Planet; potent, fermenting, on the verge of changing. Mean Lilith is more like a fermented refined and stable magic.

Black Moon Lilith is like NEPTUNE/ERIS. This part of the Lilith myth corresponds to the forbidden fruit episode. Where Lilith comes back as a serpent. The serpent representing occult knowledge. The apple representing sex or enthogens. Neptune is very much like a psychic sponge. The zone has shamanic qualities, a similar effect to using drugs to break down the barriers to the unconscious. Like deceptive Neptune when drugged, this zone can let in the demons as well as messages from the spirits."

posted June 30, 2012 05:25 AM            

NOW I understand why I wasn`t supposed to reply to your post earlier, I had to find THIS article first! It was the mentioning of Nymphe that stopped me in my tracks. Usually i would dismiss it as a minor asteroid, BUT something about it signaled to me that it was more significant than a simple water-or earth-or mountain spirit.

Anyway so I stumbled across this interesting article about Lilith-mythology and it definitely weighs in here:
http://www.energyenhancement.org/Lilith-Energy-Vampire-Succubus-Seductor/LILITH-Succubus-Psychopath-Implanter-Energy-Blockage-Scarlet-Woman.htm

Quoting the parts that JUMPED out at me big time.

"Lilith was the female aspect of one of the night wind spirits, one of a group of benevolent spirit guides called Lili (Lilitu) or Lama (Lamastu)."

Though LAMIA is said to have been one of the first vampires (just like Lilith)

"These spirits were originally associated with guarding the gateway between the spiritual and physical realms and were found on temple doorways. Lilith, being a guide to the wisdom of immortality, is represented holding the Rings of Shem; these are the oldest symbols used to show one who has gained immortality by passing through the Underworld to gain the sacred wisdom of the Tree of Knowledge. "

I think maybe that spoke to me so much, because I was having a dream recently in which a man, someone with old magic, tried to make me remember a certain ritual and I was very very reluctant to the point that I exchanged certain ingredients as to the ritual not to succeed just in case he should stumble upon it by accident. I didn`t really remember or didn`t want to, and I did not feel he was having dark energy, but what he wanted to do, to accomplish was just TOO HUGE, its sheer enormity made it dangerous. Well power is always neutral, neither good nor evil, it tends on how you use it. A point that is stressed in the article above as well.

Anyway, at the end of the dream he was calling me "gatekeeper", and I thought that was a very strange thing to say. Though on the other hand maybe it simply reflected that feeling that i have always had that I am more like a "bridge", with one foot in the physical and one foot in a spiritual dimension, which of course prevents me from being completely part of one.

Anyway so I think that part about Lilith spoke to me because of that dream.

"her priestesses engaged in sex magick with the priesthood and nobles to bring about spiritual transformation that led to illumination (They lied, Satchidanand) , along with the regeneration of the physical body to prolong life. !!!

That is the description of the sacred marriage ritual as it was being done in Ancient Sumeria and Greece and even with the Druids, mainly as a fertility ritual of course.
And of course it also connects to the tantric practices of creating and releasing huge energy, lifeforce.

"One representation of a Lamastu shows her with a lioness head, holding a serpent in each hand and riding in the Boat of the Gods that traverses the Underworld.

This directly links her to the ancient Egyptian god of magick, Heka, and his later manifestations as Hekat, the frog-headed goddess of transformation, Egyptian and Cretan serpent goddesses, and the Phoenician goddesses Astarte and Tanith."
HEKATE and ASTARTE surely should ring a bell, too. Esp. Astarte, as she is part of our Hieros Gamos thread.
And I always suspected HEkate to be more important than she is being given credit for. She represents the crone, and she also is a cross-road goddess. She also is one of the very vey few goddesses in Greek mythology who can move freely in three dimensions; on earth, in heavne/ Olymp, in the underworld.
Unfortunately her magical powers have often been abused in dark magic, so that her association has become a rather dark one.
The thing about power you know? Are we using it for the good or for selfish intentions?

Now the part that gave me goosebumps about the Nymphs.

"Nymphs, who later came to be known as female nature spirits, were originally goddesses of transformation and their priestesses. Their function was to lead men who were worthy to spiritual transformation and illumination. These goddesses and their priestesses offered man hidden knowledge (typically discovered in the Underworld) that would lead to physical regeneration and spiritual immortality."

"The word 'nymph' means bride or nubile young woman, and human nymphs served as priestesses in sexual ceremonies.

So, this links the asteroid NYMPHE directly to priestess energy, sexual rites and thus the Sacred Marriage, especially with her name meaning "bride"!

"Later, they used stone temples called nympheae constructed near sacred springs, often within a sacred stand of trees."

That is the exact scenery of the dream I`ve had and the vision my friend had! Made me really gasp.

And when I put NYMPHE into my chart it fell FLAT onto my VESTA (priestess-energy) - STONEHENGE - BODA (marriage) - KNIGHT - CHALDAEA - TRISTAN. lol

IT is on 2 Capricorn with the Sabian:
A Human Soul, In Its Eagerness For New Experiences, Seeks Embodiment

posted June 30, 2012 05:38 AM            

Anyway where does it leave you?

"2H BML is conjunct NYMPHE (exact) and THISBE (1 deg)"
Don`t know so much about Thisbe (well Pyramus and Thisbe were the Romeo and Juliet story of Ancient Greece).

But BML and NYMPHE together seems to further emphasize the ancient priestess energy in you, the connection to spiritual sacred marriage.

exactly opposite GC/JUNO conjunction in 8H
Juno the marriage asteroid being involved in this further supports that theory I think.
Is it linked with Atlantis in any way?

"and sextile ATLANTIS (exact--4 Minutes apart!)
Am I a closet, er ...????"
Oh yes I SEE.

Jep, I think it is probably the missing piece of evidence (if we can speak of evidences in this case. lol) for the past life we have been discussing.

"You're not going to believe this!!!
His 12H BML is conjunct his Moon by 1 MINUTE!!"
12th house BML might be indicative of Past life as well, and operating from a deep subconscious soullevel. Even more so as it is conjunct his Moon. His hole soul is drenched with that (and maybe it scares him). He has an enormous souldepth and intensity of emotions, but it sometimes is easy to suppress things or ignore things in the 12th house, but they usually sneak up on the person and then "attack" from behind the vbeil, and the person is shaken by the intensity of the experience.

"All 3--Moon, BML, Mean BML, square Saturn by 1 degree (Ouch!)"
I think it makes the suppression and trying-to-maintain-control scenario more likely. But it will not work. He can`t control it, and he better learn to accept the primal emotions he has. It might also be that others try to repress him, especially if Saturn is somehow connected tto the 10th or 11th house.

"His Moon/BML conjunction is also conjunct his PYRAMUS (3deg)"
That is very signifianct, that you have Thisbe on BML and him Pyramus on BML.
I think it could hint at despite there having been a sacred marriage, you faced very painful separation. Romeo and Juliet. Need I say more?

"My BML is conjunct his IC in Gemini, CERES, WISDOM, APHRODITE, and LOVEJOY (note--his SUN is exactly conjunct my IC in Cancer)"
Very strong soulbond there. It reaces deep and it is very nurturing but also spicey with Aphrodite being part of it.

"1H BML at 2 Tau 20, exactly trines 5H PLUTO (ruler of intercepted 8H) and opposes 7H NEPTUNE."
Clear sign of a soulbased relationship. a lot of transformation will occur through love and an irresistible sexual intensity.
Might be a bit scary at times though, as the intensity as well as transformation and spirituality is so strong.

"
Sabian for this BML: (TAURUS 3°): NATURAL STEPS LEAD TO A LAWN OF CLOVER IN BLOOM."
Love that symbol.

"Also 1H BML is conjunct AMOR, LILITH (asteroid), ASTREA, and HECUBA
AND exactly square KARMA
AND sextile JUNO/VESTA conjunction (0-2 deg)"
The square to Karma is OUCH. Does it come from the 4th or 10th house?
It seems to support the thought of the Romeo-Juliet-Scenario in a past life, either due to social restrictions or because family obligations kept you from being together.
Since this is the present composite you have to consciously work on not falling prey to this again. There might be obstacles from society or family.

With AMor conjunction, the love definitely is there.
And with sextile to Juno, you could do it right this time around, but you will have to work for it.

Maybe also check the DRaconic composite and its conjunctions to the tropical composite to see where the past interconnects with the present or where the spiritual gateways are wide open.

posted June 30, 2012 05:58 AM            

Lilith : mean Lilith
h13: true Lilith; oscillating Lilith
h21: natural Apogee (just discovered it)

Something I found on this:

"-) the Mean Apogee is a fictitious point that is used only as reference, it does not represent the true orbit of the Moon at a given point in time. Its orbit is a perfect circle with a radius of 405,863 Km, and its motion is almost completely linear or - symbolically-- "solar"."

on the true LIlith, oscillating LIlith

" That is, the real orbit of an object --and in particular the orbit of the Moon-- is changing all the time due to the attraction of many or of several perturbing gravitational forces, so the moment of osculation is only an instant, it represents an "instantaneous orbit" that "kisses" the real orbit and then diverges as the real orbit is accelerated. It is like opening a momentary window to observe the orbit at that instant, knowing that it will change its appearance as soon as we close the window again, or like taking a picture that "freezes" the instantaneous reality of the orbit.

[...] Some people prefer to think arbitrarily that an osculating orbit --a perfectly defined keplerian ellipse--, does not correspond to "reality", forgetting the fact that the osculating ellipse is the accurate representation of an object's trajectory in space at a given moment. The Keplerian ellipse, i.e., the osculating orbit, describes the motion of the object at that moment of time.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is exactly what we do in Astrology when we make a chart: we "freeze" artificially the movement of the celestial sphere and work only with that instantaneous picture.
"

"The osculating apogee represents the actual trajectory of the Moon as it actually is at a given instant. We can think of it as a ghost image that the Moon carries with it all the time. This ghost image represents a sort of ideal, an "ideal future" when the Moon is (or will be) at apogee, but it keeps changing or evolving as the Moon travels through space."
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/barycentric.html

And from another article on that site:

"The Mean Apogee or Black Moon is an artifice, like the "fictitious Mean Sun" used by astronomers for the measurement of time. It moves very regularly, describing a perfect circle around the earth/moon barycenter (not the earth). Its movement is actually as round and regular as the hands of a clock and it is very easy to calculate. This roundness of its motion is not a good representative of the nocturnal and magic demoness Lilith; roundness and steady motion belongs to the Sun; it is alien to the world of the Moon.

The Osculating Apogee, on the other hand, represents the shape of the lunar orbit at one specific instant of time. It is not averaged as the mean apogee, and it is already geocentric, unlike the mean apogee. Some people reject it because it doesn't make any sense to them to have it swing as much as 30 degrees from the mean position and have abrupt and irregular changes of velocity and direction, but I think it is precisely this erratic behavior what makes it the best representative of the irrational, instinctive, and primal symbolism of Lilith."

"The apogee/empty focus (="kenofocus") is really like a womb, a receptacle, an accumulator, a point of emptiness...

posted June 30, 2012 06:04 AM            

"My BML is conjunct his Moon"
Very soulful and intense. Just think of it, both are lunar symbols, how could it not be a soul-connection?

"For the last what 8 months we have been trying to get each other to bend to "our way" yet neither of us will..."
Sounds like Lilith`s fight for equality and against compromise. lol

"Maybe the lesson here is compromise?? "
No. The lesson is surrendering and allowing someone else to see and touch your hole soul. No defense mechanisms allowed.
And yes this IS dangerous, this IS maybe painful. We are so used to have our shields up even in close relationships. LIlith doesn`t allow this. This is the merging of your naked souls, and if it can`t be accomplished, there probably will be a lot of hurt and maybe even unfair accusations and quarrels.
It`s all or nothing with her.

posted June 30, 2012 07:40 PM            

I already know in my gut, neither of us will surrender.. Or at least neither will be the "first"
I know this is not going to have a good ending... I also know its going to be extremely painful.. Yet I feel I have no choice but to continue with it, and let it play out..

posted July 09, 2012 08:47 PM            

Black Moon Lilith in 5th or 11th house in composite chart:

This relationship has a soulful connection from the heart. You will be challenged to
allow a deep flow of love to exchange between you, which will promote desire on a
profound level. You need to surrender to being taken over by Love that may not be
appropriate by social standards or customs. This instinctual expression of desire may
express also in the area of creativity and children too. Unacknowledged desire and
needs for love will erupt within this relationship and need to be honored and
accepted when together. You could see this as a wonderful opportunity to get to
know and understand your deep soulful desires and creative expressions.

True Lilith Conjunct Jupiter:

You will feel profoundly uplifted by the soulful connection that you share together.
You both experience a sense of meaning and vision within this relationship that is
profound. You may instinctively share common ground together in the social context.
Life just feels so much better, brighter and prosperous on a very deep level when
you are together. Your enthusiasms include more unconscious levels of social
relating.

True Lilith Opposition Chiron:

The profound soul level of this relationship can trigger past emotional and sexual
wounds in yourselves and others. If acceptance is practiced, the potential for healing
and wholeness is profound. The physicality of this relationship can give a sense of
meaning and understanding of our human condition and you are able to help those
around you.

True Lilith Semisextile True Node:

You will need to be creative with the destined quality to the deep emotional and
sexual dimension that you share. There may be challenges between this fateful
quality and this normally hidden, unconscious level. You will both value the profound
soul connection and are also able to understand how the past motivates each other
responses on that level. Within the context of this dimension, you will creatively
discover the areas that need to be developed or worked upon as individuals within
this relationship. These lessons will tend to be focused on intimacy, sex and feelings.

True Lilith Sesquiquadrate Asc.:

Although an important partnership, there will be some conflict between how this
relationship expresses itself and more hidden, darker soul feelings and sexuality.
Others may contribute to the sense of overwhelm, but you will need to resolve it by
learning creative ways of incorporating this deeper dimension that you both share.

True Lilith Sesquiquadrate MC:

Although a significant relationship, there will be some stress with the integrity and
core of this relationship and the deep emotional and sexual feelings that you share.
Your values may clash with those around you, so that you feel a depth of soul
connection with what you build together, whether home, family or business

posted July 26, 2014 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Ceri,

THANK YOU for taking the time to put this together for me!! It's so complete in its info, that I now realize why you said it would take some time. I saw the thread the day you posted it but had to complete some other things first, before I could get to this one. I wanted some time to read through the info you suggested.

I'm truly grateful for this. After reading through your post as well as most of the links, I now have a sense of BML. I think she packs quite a punch in intensity and an uncompromising approach. I also now see why you would want to include her in synastry.

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Bump...I too am truly grateful for your input here (and in general), Ceridwen. Your interpretation of BML is truly a breathe of fresh air...The best I've seen yet and, I feel, reflects the truth of BML. She is strong in my chart, I've experienced her in synastry/composite, and most of the (negative) descriptions I've come across could not be further from the truth...

posted July 26, 2014 06:15 PM            

I know a woman with BML conjunct her Sun.

posted July 26, 2014 10:10 PM            

Nuff said!