posted June 02, 2013 01:52 PM            

Like Ishtar, the Greek Aphrodite and the Aramean Northwestern Semitic Astarte were love goddesses who were "as cruel as they were wayward".[14] Donald A. Mackenzie, an early popularize of mythology, draws a parallel between the love goddess Aphrodite and her "dying god" lover Adonis [15] on one hand, and the love goddess Ishtar and her "dying god" lover Tammuz on the other.[14] Some scholars have suggested that the myth of Adonis was derived in post-Homeric times by the Greeks indirectly from the Eastern Semites of Mesopotamia (Assyria and Babylonia), via the Aramean and Canaanite Western Semites, the Semitic title 'Adon', meaning 'lord', having been mistaken for a proper name. This theory, however, cannot be accepted without qualifications.[16]

Joseph Campbell, a more recent scholar of comparative mythology, equates Ishtar, Inanna, and Aphrodite, and he draws a parallel between the Egyptian goddess Isis who nurses Horus, and the Assyrian-Babylonian goddess Ishtar who nurses the god Tammuz.[17]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishtar

My thought is maybe Innanen herself isn't the best to be paired with Adonis!
They don't even speak of him as a lover of her mythology, shes only attached to the other goddesses Aphrodite/Venus/Astarte/Ishtar...but not Adonis, she is a different energy from them in ways because shes a sexual type energy but w/o love.

posted June 02, 2013 01:59 PM            

Prostitution has not always been looked down upon as it is today. Once its practitioners were the priestesses of love and sensuality, celebrating the mysteries of sex at the temples of Inanna in ancient Sumer. Later the Babylonians worshipped her as Ishtar, the goddess of the morning star. Among the Hebrews she was known as Asherah, the wife of El. Other groups in the middle east gave her other names, but her worship was widespread. But as Christianity and monotheism rose, her worship was outlawed and she was demonized. She became known only as the demon Astaroth, and her priestesses were despised.

The origins of temple-prostitution date back to ancient Sumer. Inanna was the Goddess of the city Uruk, having brought the sacred laws (the me) to the people there by stealing them from her grandfather Enki, the god of water and wisdom. She was the goddess of love, fertility and war, revered for her power and feared for her temper. She was said to have a rapacious appetite for men and didn't take "no" for an answer. Many myths tell about her revenges against lovers who refused her or people who treated her badly.

She married the mortal shepherd Dumuzi, and made him king of Uruk. From their union the land prospered, and fertility ruled. Some time later, Inanna ventured down into the Realm of Death to visit her sister Ereshkigal, the goddess of the dead, perhaps hoping to learn the secrets of the Underworld too. But when she after three days re-emerged from death, she found Dumuzi carrying on as usual, happily celebrating. In her anger she let the demons of the Underworld take him down with them. But later grief overtook her, and appealed to her sister to release her husband. Ereshkigal allowed it, on the provision that the sister of Dumuzi took his place half of the year. So it came to pass that during late summer, autumn and early winter, Dumuzi is in the realm of death and no plants will grow. On the new years day, he is released and fertility and growth yet again returns to the land as Inanna rejoices.

posted June 03, 2013 05:45 PM            

Penelope conjunct Sun/Asc dw
My Odysseus conjunct his Penelope

Another pair that makes strong aspects in our syanstry (mostly in a gender appropriate way) is Arthur and Guinevere.

His Arthur conjunct my Guinevere (0)
His Lancelot conj my Eros (0)
His Guinevere conjunct my Saturn (0)
My Guinevere opp his Karma (0)

I wonder if these also indicates a past life in that era. Good to see both Arthur and Lancelot involved since Guinevere loved both although Lancelot was her great passion. Lancleot conjunct my Eros make very good sense in this context.

Edit:
I'm not sure what Guinevere in a man's chart denotes. Found this note about Arthur -http://morganesky.com/index.php/asteroid-arthur/

"Asteroid Arthur in the natal chart is symbolic for facing a life-altering challenge in your lifetime. This fact became clear very quickly on chart study, and a pattern was easily established. Tina Turner, who faced years of domestic abuse with her husband and musical partner, Ike, experiences asteroid Arthur in opposition to her natal Moon. Olivia Newton John, who was diagnosed with breast cancer at the peak of her international career, experiences asteroid Arthur in opposition to her natal Uranus in her 10th House. You could also stretch the orbs just a touch to include an opposition to her natal Moon, as her Moon is in a 1 degree conjunction to natal Uranus, which is unbelievably telling. Keanu Reeves is another example of rising to the intense challenges that asteroid Arthur can present a person, with his Arthur in opposition to his Cancer ruled Venus. .......This asteroid in aspect within a natal chart, seems very strong in those who achieve some level of public fame, or hold some form of prestigious life position. Looking at personal data of the simple peasant folk, and I could not find a strong link to asteroid Arthur at all, so the energy appears to connect with those who aim high and are in the public eye."

posted June 04, 2013 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Astro keen, does Ulysses do anything with your Penelope (or Odysseys)? I'm asking because I have Penelope-Valentine and when poking people about linked or "mirrored" aspects I wanted to know about both Odysseys and Ulysses conjunct another person's Valentine as a possible linked pair. If Ulysses showed up in your charts I'd love to know.

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Thanks for the tip, Keela. Ulysses, in fact, has more aspects or slightly different aspects to Odysseus. I've added a few more below:

My Penelope conj his Sun (1), Opp Moon (1), trine Vesta (2)

My Ulysses conj his Neptune (0), Penelope (1), Asc (0), sextile Pluto (0)

My Odysseus conj his Penelope (1), sextile Eros (1)

His Odysseus sextile my Valentine (0),

His Ulysses trine my Amor, Uranus (1), sextile Chiron (0)

His Penelope conj my Sun (0), Karma, (1), Ulysses (1), Odysseus (1).
His Penelope square my Uranus (0), Chiron (1), Amor (1)

This throws up a few questions - how would Penelope differ in meaning from Ulysses or Odysseus in these pairings, since some differences do occur, as in his Penelope forming more squares. Anyhow, this pairing appears to be quite prominent in our chart. It would be helpful to find out why particular soulmate pairings and themes feature more prominently. We also have many linked, mirror aspects with Osiris and Isis. Again some gender reversal - it is his Isis and my Osiris forming more aspects. Any thoughts anyone?

posted June 05, 2013 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Thanks for the tip, Keela.

My Penelope conj his Sun (1), Opp Moon (1), trine Vesta (2)

His Penelope conj my Sun (0), Karma, (1), Ulysses (1), Odysseus (1).

This throws up a few questions - how would Penelope differ in meaning from Ulysses or Odysseus in these pairings, since some differences do occur, as in his Penelope forming more squares. Anyhow, this pairing appears to be quite prominent in our chart. It would be helpful to find out why particular soulmate pairings and themes feature more prominently. ... Any thoughts anyone?

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I should check if Odysseys and Ulysses always travel in sync as well since mine are 5 degrees conjunct and your guy seems to have his conjunct as well as the example case I mentioned. I like that you have the aspects both ways though, as you already said with the Sun. I don't know if there's much difference in whether you'd get hits to Odysseus or Ulysses though, the same way I imagine there isn't that much variance in an aspect from Parvati to Siva or Shankar, for example?

Odysseys doesn't seem the more faithful side mythologically in some ways though with Kalypso, Circe and whoever featuring along his voyages, even if he was bewitched in some cases at least. Then again, Zeus and Hera get counted and he (pardon my French) shags his way through whoever he can, the way mythology goes with the Greeks.

As for the squares, if you already have Sun square Uranus yourself I guess the asteroids vibe with those based on however you deal with that yourself as well? If you want to go esoteric, the whys of a particular pair showing up might reflect some soul level reasons or whatever you've had with past lives to sort through now or what your remaining lessons still are if it's something newer? Interactions with different people always differ so one person can have one soulmate pair highlighted with partner A and an entirely other theme show up later instead with another partner. Danged if I know why or which ones, of course, so every time there's a new person to check against some chart I have to manually wade through every possible thing until I can find out what the most prominent thing seems to be that time. Sometimes even with people whose relationships I think I know well and should be able to guess what's likely to show up, only to end up with something unexpected - or the obvious to make me d'oh for not having thought about it.

You yourself said your time apart thing vibes with the Odysseys-Penelope side, and my Penelope/Valentine is probably still waiting nigh endlessly. The main love so far had their Sun conjunct my Pen/Valentine so my situation there mirrors your Sun-contacts as well, for what little it's worth. Maybe we should be on the lookout for the faithful Penelope in aspect to the Sun in more charts with time spent apart or long distance featuring, or some such thing?

As to the Ulysses-name, I had exposure to the cartoon series "Ulysses 31" already as a kid so I got a futuristic 31st century depiction of the whole Odyssey in a form that appealed to the scifi, space & mythology buff and obviously also introduced me to the Ulysses name. If you ever want to introduce children to the ideas that series is an easy way. I should look into it again though, since I always remembered The Magician in Black and can't currently figure out which mythological figure he was supposed to be or match.

posted June 06, 2013 03:46 AM            

Ulysses and Odysseus are 4 degrees apart in my chart and 11 degrees apart in his. Probable close trajectories.

"As for the squares, if you already have Sun square Uranus yourself I guess the asteroids vibe with those based on however you deal with that yourself as well? "