posted September 13, 2012 07:08 PM            

I do, however, have a semisquare-conjunction.

Pholus @ 22 Pis 19'51" (Rx) 4th
Dejanira @ 24 Pis 37'42" (Rx) 4th
Both Semisquare:
Child @ 7 Tau 23'25" 5th
Chiron @ 9 Tau 43'36" (Rx) 5th
Moon @ 9 Tau 56'44" 5th

Would it be out of place to also mention Child is square my closest-to-first-name asteroid (Johnny) @ 7 Aqu 4'25" (Rx) 2nd?

Growing up, my mother got progressively worse as the manic depression wore on. The good days were fine. The bad days, sometimes she'd break down crying and, as a kid, I didn't know what to do. She ultimately passed away in September 1989 (blood clot after 18 days in the ICU for pancreatitis, completely unrelated to the depression). Dad, he never physically abused me, but when he got angry with me... he could get... quite verbal. He would feel bad about it afterwards, and ultimately this finally stopped after a personal issue of mine developed after my next to last year of college. I won't say what it was, and I don't like talking about it, but it was almost like one of his greatest fears, and after initially being ****** ... well, we finally grew closer after that point, and that's when his occasional angry tirades directed towards me ended. Again, the good days could be quite good with him too before that ending point. Things are more or less stable now.

Middle and High School? Yeah, some of the kids there were downright cruel there too, though I did have what seems to be quite a few defenders too.

Youth group rafting trip in the last church I ever regularly attended? First off, I never really attended the youth group meetings before, but Dad had negotiated me being able to go with them since we both figured it'd be fun. However... There was a point where I was showering and suddenly, curtain flies open and I see a camera flash, and then the curtain closed again. It was a couple of the kids going too far with pranks (I assume I irked someone since the baby orajel in my toothpaste failed to faze me). The Youth pastor did nothing about this, yet I was Satan for saying "oh god" out of context by accident (I didn't hold that to be a bad thing of me saying it, but tried not to around them because I had a feeling it'd be an issue)). However, I think the two kids involved felt really bad about it afterwards, and the one who owned the camera immediately showed there was no film. I let him know in no uncertain terms (politely, as I was still in church company) that I was... displeased. I never attended Church again after that, only setting foot inside any services for weddings and viewings/funerals. Dad didn't argue, and caught hell from the main pastor for not ensuring I attend church. (Dad's response was I was old enough to make my own decisions).

Dad's ex-fiancee (he dated a woman a few years after my mother passed on)... One of the most verbally abusive pieces of... {excrement}... on this planet. Also insane. She was raising a 3-year-old daughter when my dad was seeing her. She had walked out of the hospital and left a son behind because he was a boy before she had her girl. No idea whatever became of him. But this ex-fiancee... if Dad had married her, she would have either killed me or I would have killed her or myself, probably both. She was that destructive in the end to both dad's life and mine, and I didn't have the insights then that I do now. (This at the same time as the BS of Middle School which was NOT helping). Ultimately, she lost custody of her daughter and was committed. I still twitch thinking of that... ...woman. What more can I say about a woman that strings my surviving parent around her finger, asks me to do something and 3 seconds later starts swearing at me because I'm not going fast enough to go do it apparently. I'm going to stop here before I generate any more negativity, but you get. The. Idea. She sucked, in short.

I should also note that Child/Moon/Chiron are trine Phoinix @ 8 Vir 10'30" 9th. They also trine Ceres at 10 Cap 3'6" (Rx) 2nd.

posted September 13, 2012 07:11 PM            

My friend also has Moon conjunct Dejanira at 2* and he is also a Cancer sun, and they are a really open and loving family.

My sister has Dejanira and Child conjunct at 5* and I know for a fact she wasn't abused, especially sexually, no way.

My daughter has Child and Dejanira conjunct at 3* and I don't abuse her, and I think I would kill anyone with such intentions. I love my little girl, I don't even spank her because I know the consequences of such behavior.

My friend who was sexually abused doesn't have anything in her chart connection those asteroids, she only has Mars trine Pluto.

Ami Anne, I recently watched video on child abuse, and the main indicator of such was a Cancer Mars. Your mars is also the dispositor of your Moon

posted September 13, 2012 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I was feeling so sorry for myself, today, with my mother. I talked to her, today, and she is in denial and a therapist.

It can make one feel hopeless

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posted September 13, 2012 07:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
My dad has Moon conjunct Dejanira at 1* approaching and I do not believe he was abused by any one. He has a great relationship with his mother, he is a Cancer sun after all. I doubt he would be open about it if it had happened, but she was a highly religious woman, and they struggled to survive, I really doubt with having 5 other children to provide for, and a disabled husband, she had time for such horrible actions.

My friend also has Moon conjunct Dejanira at 2* and he is also a Cancer sun, and they are a really open and loving family.

My sister has Dejanira and Child conjunct at 5* and I know for a fact she wasn't abused, especially sexually, no way.

My daughter has Child and Dejanira conjunct at 3* and I don't abuse her, and I think I would kill anyone with such intentions. I love my little girl, I don't even spank her because I know the consequences of such behavior.

My friend who was sexually abused doesn't have anything in her chart connection those asteroids, she only has Mars trine Pluto.

Ami Anne, I recently watched video on child abuse, and the main indicator of such was a Cancer Mars. Your mars is also the dispositor of your Moon

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posted September 13, 2012 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Cancer Mars? does a Gemini mars@29.33 with a Cancer Nessus@2.49...work?

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I do not know. Do you have an aspect between Pluto and Mars? There was an article about violence against children and aspects were consistent with mars-Pluto. But i'm sure there are many, many different indicators.

posted September 13, 2012 07:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Zeus?
I don't know much about that asteroid? Do you?

I have been ruminating how HOW the chart is so accurate and want to write about it, but I don't have the words, yet

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posted September 13, 2012 07:37 PM            

I will look over all your posts

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posted September 13, 2012 07:46 PM            

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posted September 13, 2012 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
Pretty sure mars at 29* in any sign is no good.

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Its never proven a friend to me! lol
Its unaspected in 9th house...

POLARIS - [28 degrees of Gemini]
Spiritual powers and much respect gained from them, possible illness and affliction. Legacies can encounter problems and misfortune. Good instincts and the abiliy to find one's way.

BETELGEUSE - [28 degrees of Gemini]
This is one of the most fortunate of fixed stars and is frequently seen prominent in the charts of those who have hit the top. Success, riches, honors, fame. Much luck in life.

*oh, wow my mars squares this fixed *

SCHEAT - [28 degrees into Pisces]
Extreme misfortune, suicide, drowning, murder, rapidly gaining and losing friends, unpredictable nature, inclned to fantasize.

29 DEGREES OF ALL SIGNS MEANS ENDING SOMETHING IN PREDICTION.

29 Degrees of Pisces is a permanent ending in predictive astrology, as is 29 degrees of Taurus.

posted September 13, 2012 07:47 PM            

Psychological and emotional abuse from my Mom and sexual abuse from my Dad. I also have BPD.

posted September 13, 2012 07:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
My dad has Moon conjunct Dejanira at 1* approaching and I do not believe he was abused by any one. He has a great relationship with his mother, he is a Cancer sun after all. I doubt he would be open about it if it had happened, but she was a highly religious woman, and they struggled to survive, I really doubt with having 5 other children to provide for, and a disabled husband, she had time for such horrible actions.

My friend also has Moon conjunct Dejanira at 2* and he is also a Cancer sun, and they are a really open and loving family.

My sister has Dejanira and Child conjunct at 5* and I know for a fact she wasn't abused, especially sexually, no way.

My daughter has Child and Dejanira conjunct at 3* and I don't abuse her, and I think I would kill anyone with such intentions. I love my little girl, I don't even spank her because I know the consequences of such behavior.

My friend who was sexually abused doesn't have anything in her chart connection those asteroids, she only has Mars trine Pluto.

Ami Anne, I recently watched video on child abuse, and the main indicator of such was a Cancer Mars. Your mars is also the dispositor of your Moon

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I never heard this, Lave. Are you saying people WITH Cancer Mars get abused?

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posted September 13, 2012 08:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, Gabby every asteroid, every single part of the chart is a part of one's life. There are no "chance" things in the chart. I will need to study Zeus, as I don't use this asteroid. I am, always, adding new ones though!

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Zues is under number 5731 and h42,
Im not sure of the difference except 5731 is an asteroid, h42 a "Hypothetical Uranian planet"

posted September 13, 2012 08:10 PM            

PS If you don't feel like it. No problem!

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posted September 13, 2012 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Necromancer:
I have Child conjunct Dejanira at 26 and 27 degrees in Capricorn.

Psychological and emotional abuse from my Mom and sexual abuse from my Dad. I also have BPD.

His Saturn conj my Pluto by 3 degrees in Scorpio, his Mercury conj my Chiron by 1 degree in Cancer

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Oh dear
I am so sorry. Hugs to you Darling One

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posted September 13, 2012 08:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
I do not know. Do you have an aspect between Pluto and Mars? There was an article about violence against children and aspects were consistent with mars-Pluto. But i'm sure there are many, many different indicators.

Ami Anne, i'm sure you know I meant your moon is the dispositor and not the other way around. I think that is a very strong indication in and of itself, then adding on the other asteroid connections just intensifies this. I wonder if there is an asteroid for denial to check against your moms chart. Or a coward.

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Lava
I studied dispositors a while ago. Could you refresh me on them?

Actually, IQ, whom I adore and respect immensely, looked at my chart with my mother and saw the whole thing. He tells it like it is, which is rare in this day and age.

He started me on my healing by looking at my synastry with my mother.

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posted September 13, 2012 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Necromancer:
I have Child conjunct Dejanira at 26 and 27 degrees in Capricorn.

Psychological and emotional abuse from my Mom and sexual abuse from my Dad. I also have BPD.

His Saturn conj my Pluto by 3 degrees in Scorpio, his Mercury conj my Chiron by 1 degree in Cancer

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Oh dear
These aspects sound so painful. I can feel them from your post. I am going to pray for you, right now.

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posted September 13, 2012 08:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm sorry!! Its so hard feeling like your mom is not a mom at all, sometimes an enemy, sometimes a child, sometimes a jealous back stabbing girl...and all you want is a mom to hold you and say its all going to be ok...but it just doesnt happen! Im so sorry!

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YES Your post made me cry. You understand

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posted September 13, 2012 09:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I would have to really study Zeus to use it, as I have to get behind the eyes of each asteroid to use it. If you want, Gabby, you could start a thread on Zeus and put articles up.
Put the whole article, not the link, as it is easier. Thanks Sweet One

PS If you don't feel like it. No problem!

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posted September 13, 2012 09:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Necromancer:
I have Child conjunct Dejanira at 26 and 27 degrees in Capricorn.

Psychological and emotional abuse from my Mom and sexual abuse from my Dad. I also have BPD.

His Saturn conj my Pluto by 3 degrees in Scorpio, his Mercury conj my Chiron by 1 degree in Cancer

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Why does it seem anything negative with a Capricorn sign attached somehow is just very very oppressive and also a bit creepy...like a really slow, quiet horror movie that you just can't forget because it was so psychologically traumatic, it really shakes your soul on such a deep level?

posted September 13, 2012 09:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'll have to pull together my info on it...i just adore asteroids...its like your chart is your soul but the asteroids tell your story!

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YES your chart is your soul. How well put, Gabby!

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posted September 14, 2012 09:18 AM            

Please link the info on the Cancer Mars tending to be more abused. I wonder if it is because that Mars hates to fight back?

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posted September 14, 2012 12:50 PM            

"...For some who have Mars in Cancer, various forms of sexual violence or dominance can manifest because of their unresolved anger. In women this can manifest as psychologically, emotionally, and sexually 'castrating' the man in some way; and in men it can manifest as sexual power over women. Such men use women as sexual objects in order to build up an otherwise weak self-image. Some will remain sexually arrested or immature, which will also cause various forms of sexual dysfunction. Sexual distortions can be focused on children or on people who are very much younger or older. Some children who have Mars in Cancer, and who have been sexually abused by a parent, will desire or attempt to have sex with other children, or with a sibling.

"Once this Mars in Cancer person realises the evolutionary intention of inner security, his or her emotional and sexual orientation to life will change. Instead of being controlling, domineering, and possessive, he or she will become supportive and nurturing, and display an incredible emotional empathy that can truly heal the emotions of others. He or she will reflect a deep emotional wisdom that is offered in non-manipulative ways. He or she will be self-empowered, and seek to empower others. Sexually, he or she will be secure from within him- or herself, and will no longer fear being sexually or emotionally vulnerable. He or she will encourage and support the emotional and sexual vulnerability of others. He or she will desire to emotionally and sexually unite with another so that the sexual experience becomes a source of emotional and psychic renewal. When this occurs,the Mars in Cancer person has realised the evolutionary intention of his or her Soul."