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Topic: My asteroid DNA is conjunct my neptune, would this make ppl want to have kids w/you?
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mirage29
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posted October 13, 2012 06:41 PM
  
Jovian and Gabby,
I felt a bit hurt, surprised and confused by your reactions to my first communications. Wanted to understand and be clearer before responding to it. This miscommunication was a bit shocking to me, but I let it go ahead and roll for a while in order to analyze and watch what was going on here.... I think perhaps Jovian understood the tone better. Definitely, it is my mistake to have 'cozied up too soon' and made a QUOTED post to a specific person, as opposed to a shaping it into a stand-alone more-general posting (as above... oops, this post is now the lead for page 3). I feel my intentions were misread, and I apologize. Would have been better for me to realize that I need to "establish" the "new" relationship better first, before casting it in the light and trust of a more familiar friendship. Should have waited for a new relationship to establish itself first, before expressing my heart.... Again, my apology. IP: Logged |
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posted October 13, 2012 07:49 PM
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Jovian and Gabby,
I felt a bit hurt, surprised and confused by your reactions to my first communications. Wanted to understand and be clearer before responding to it. This miscommunication was a bit shocking to me, but I let it go ahead and roll for a while in order to analyze and watch what was going on here.... I think perhaps Jovian understood the tone better. Definitely, it is my mistake to have 'cozied up too soon' and made a QUOTED post to a specific person, as opposed to a shaping it into a stand-alone more-general posting (as above... oops, this post is now the lead for page 3). I feel my intentions were misread, and I apologize. Would have been better for me to realize that I need to "establish" the "new" relationship better first, before casting it in the light and trust of a more familiar friendship. Should have waited for a new relationship to establish itself first, before expressing my heart.... Again, my apology.
Actually, for me, you pointed out something i hadnt realized about myself, something i feel i need to work on!
I never realized i was so terrified of the unknown, i dont want to know becuz what if its wrong and i think its right because i can't tell for sure! I spent my entire first part of life believing lies, i was so decieved! I guess i dont trust my own judgement to decipher the truth from the illusions! I know i have good perceptions, logically, but obviously emotionally im still not very sure of myself!
Thats why i run from it, i didnt realize this before but you and Jovian have helped me see it and i thank you both for that!! HUGS!!  I wanted you to know, ive been exactly where you are before...i used to sense ppl emotions so easily once i was in Wal-Mart and felt this little girl, her eyes were haunting...i could feel so much pain from her, it felt like i could feel where her pain was coming from to...i wanted to go punch her parents, i wanted to call the authorities...but what do i say? Ummm, i saw this little girl in the grocery store and i sense her parents are abusing her? Talk about seeing crazy, i would have!
So, knowing my hands were tied, i could do nothing to help her i went to my car and cried for her. Since ive had to learn how to protect myself, 12th house moon is extra sensitive to others on a sub conscious level and it will rip you up if you dont protect yourself! You have to realize we can help, but its not going to be earth shaking until we bond together so we can be powerful! You are doing exactly what you need to be doing, you are here, you are bonding and you growing, adding power to the energy of love! Thats all we can do for now, but you will have the chance to change the world...through an open heart and a desire to help! Once person standing up leads to another and another....eventually we are all standing together, united and strong! Your a part of that! Thats so much more than most ppl will ever do, your a part of the ppl waking up and we are going to be changing the world together!
its not your responsibility alone, its our responsibility together, nobody expects you to carry that weight on your shoulders alone...that would be cruel of anyone to expect that of you! You shouldn't expect that either...just like i had to realize feeling everyones pain was only hurting me, leaving me weak! If im weak how can i have the strength to be happy and help where i can? I can't! So protecting yourself by not having too high of expectations for yourself is another way to help others! IP: Logged |
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posted October 13, 2012 08:55 PM
Hi guys. I can't stay up long, but just wanted to acknowledge I read your beautiful posts! Gabby I'm tickled that you are looking into those Alice in Wonderland asteroids! Come on--that's too crazy: ALICE opp HEL ?! That Red Queen/ MC opp Marchare/ MadHatter/ IC ...with Pluto T-squaring! ...Alice joining the Mad Hatter and March Hare's tea party...being eyed first with mistrust, until it's realized Alice is a-okay. ...Honestly! Right out of the story. Mirage, I really am not wanting to make light of the deeper opportunity to learn from the exchange, but this storybook outline is remarkable. ...I want to know further what you feel hurt about, if it is something you need to share. I want to know if you felt disrespected in some way! 
EDIT: (So much for not staying long! )...
It seems we are all looking at things and learning about ourselves here...which all three of us all value. I had a lot of insights today about myself...even a deeper conversation with my mother today--shocker! Really a "new me" was emerging, that I would like to become more natural. ...I have a habit of saying things that I later feel so regretful of... It feels like a knot in my head, like an "implant" from my childhood, of the way I learned to be, in response to my mother's way of being--judgmental and critical. I took on some of that in this mental "knot" and it comes out in my own expressions... Here and there on this board, I do it. Maybe you don't see much of it here, but I flit around sometimes and post things in a fashion on other boards here sometimes that I dislike in myself. I ALWAYS feel awkward and guilty afterwards. ...I am left unsure of the quality of my communications here. That judging way she had with me comes out of that "implant" onto others. Just "seeing" this knot recently is helping immensely... I think I am finally ready to release it, and realize it is not me...not part of my natural way of being. Perhaps I also have other issues going on in not seeing communications objectively, but that felt like a big breakthrough today. ...I do think my brash Sagg energy is really at odds with the sensitivity of my
Cancer Moon, I can't see how the twain of these inconjunct signs shall meet. I express things bluntly, and that part of me thinks my sharing is fine...and maybe to some people it is...yet Cancer moon forever worries I am being insensitive and mean. Crikey. IP: Logged |
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posted October 13, 2012 09:32 PM
And look, Mirage--Gabby is saying here that your forthright comments about facing what *actually happened* in her past were actually helpful to her. quote:
"Actually, for me, you pointed out something i hadnt realized about myself, something i feel i need to work on!
I never realized i was so terrified of the unknown, i dont want to know becuz what if its wrong and i think its right because i can't tell for sure! I spent my entire first part of life believing lies, i was so decieved! I guess i dont trust my own judgement to decipher the truth from the illusions! I know i have good perceptions, logically, but obviously emotionally im still not very sure of myself!
Thats why i run from it, i didnt realize this before but you and Jovian have helped me see it and i thank you both for that!! HUGS!! "
I certainly know you are courageous about learning the deep stuff, Gabby. ... You guys are inspiring!
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posted October 13, 2012 09:47 PM
Oooh goodness... forgive me--back to the asteroid madness for a moment!Mirage and I, back in our whack-a-doodle, anything-goes thread we kind of dominated with our antics, another "pair" that we joked about being were Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. ha! Just who was Fred and who was Ginger I think may never be clear...but somebody is dancing backwards, and in high heels. Anyway... you KNOW I had to then check the skies. So, we have a 41943 FREDRICK and a 7894 ROGERS asteroid. Hello, people! Look at this: Synastry: Mirage -- Me NORTH NODE conj ROGERS (<1!) YES--right next to my MARCHARE /MERCURY, which was conj her NNode as well !! LOLOL FREDRICK conj MARS (<3) IDK--am I Ginger then? Ooh, idk--I'd break my neck in heels. ...On and on it goes. IP: Logged |
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posted October 13, 2012 10:58 PM
[/q]quote from Gabby: "...I wanted you to know, ive been exactly where you are before...i used to sense ppl emotions so easily once i was in Wal-Mart and felt this little girl, her eyes were haunting...i could feel so much pain from her, it felt like i could feel where her pain was coming from to...i wanted to go punch her parents, i wanted to call the authorities...but what do i say? Ummm, i saw this little girl in the grocery store and i sense her parents are abusing her? Talk about seeing crazy, i would have!..." [/q]
Gabby, while reading posts you've left in other places, (mighty thanks to Jovian's forum links), I'm having some really eerie deja vu. Almost word for word, we have had very similar things have happened in each our lives...
Somewhere in my personal journals I've described an incident I witnessed with a young little girl and her brother in a shopping cart with her ?mom and another adult at a discount department store. (perhaps 1999?). The 'mother' acted in a way and said something incredibly cruel and undeserved by those innocent little children. And at that moment I caught a phenomenon in her eyes... Like the depth and reverbing hollow tunnel seen in a cat's eyes at night, catching the headlights of a car. Her soul was ripped. It was a defining moment, a decision made in her soul that changed the course of her life forever. I was there to witness the event that stands in the record of the history of her soul. It was not a connection 'to' me, in her look: I just happened on a moment, and watched the mechanics of a soul in action, in her consciousness. I witnessed 'the moment' her soul separated from something conscious in her life. Maybe the world would say she had just 'learned'..., just 'grown.' She graduated into what would now be considered a more 'mature' child; although, in her spirit a less-awake being. She had shut off a part of her potential. The 'bright & clear' in her soul, ?daemon, turned under and disappeared under dull clods of earth-matter. Turned off the light of its awakeness, turned aside to submerge, separate from the soul of her earthly life, and more clay-like. Right there ... It was abuse. There was nothing I could do to 'help.' I could pray for their best, but the damage was 'done.' You can rip off someone's arm then surgically re-attach the part-- but it will always for that body's lifetime be a ripped off arm. That's trauma. That's wounding. Thank you for staying and being with me Gabby... IP: Logged |
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posted October 13, 2012 11:01 PM
RIGHT NOW--- I JUST POSTED. I'VE BEEN WRITING AS YOU'VE BEEN POSTING JOVIAN.Ya know, we got to get little lights that indicate our 'friends' are there with us...   11:02pm IP: Logged |
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posted October 13, 2012 11:45 PM
aawww Jovian!! Maybe we can each take a turn being Fred---?? would that put us anywhere close to being co-drag queens or something like that? LMAO
 warning--- corn alert! ah, spirit! the drama and ecstasy of the spiritual journey, my loves!!  Getting to Know You, King & I [4:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIraynujTsI&feature=related group Grecian Urn Practice?? [scene from The Music Man][:41]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2uF4NJzm44
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posted October 14, 2012 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by Jovian:
Hi guys. I can't stay up long, but just wanted to acknowledge I read your beautiful posts! Gabby I'm tickled that you are looking into those Alice in Wonderland asteroids! Come on--that's too crazy: ALICE opp HEL ?! That Red Queen/ MC opp Marchare/ MadHatter/ IC ...with Pluto T-squaring! ...Alice joining the Mad Hatter and March Hare's tea party...being eyed first with mistrust, until it's realized Alice is a-okay. ...Honestly! Right out of the story. Mirage, I really am not wanting to make light of the deeper opportunity to learn from the exchange, but this storybook outline is remarkable. ...I want to know further what you feel hurt about, if it is something you need to share. I want to know if you felt disrespected in some way!
EDIT: (So much for not staying long! )...
It seems we are all looking at things and learning about ourselves here...which all three of us all value. I had a lot of insights today about myself...even a deeper conversation with my mother today--shocker! Really a "new me" was emerging, that I would like to become more natural. ...I have a habit of saying things that I later feel so regretful of... It feels like a knot in my head, like an "implant" from my childhood, of the way I learned to be, in response to my mother's way of being--judgmental and critical. I took on some of that in this mental "knot" and it comes out in my own expressions... Here and there on this board, I do it. Maybe you don't see much of it here, but I flit around sometimes and post things in a fashion on other boards here sometimes that I dislike in myself. I ALWAYS feel awkward and guilty afterwards. ...I am left unsure of the quality of my communications here. That judging way she had with me comes out of that "implant" onto others. Just "seeing" this knot recently is helping immensely... I think I am finally ready to release it, and realize it is not me...not part of my natural way of being. Perhaps I also have other issues going on in not seeing communications objectively, but that felt like a big breakthrough today. ...I do think my brash Sagg energy is really at odds with the sensitivity of my
Cancer Moon, I can't see how the twain of these inconjunct signs shall meet. I express things bluntly, and that part of me thinks my sharing is fine...and maybe to some people it is...yet Cancer moon forever worries I am being insensitive and mean. Crikey.
Wow Jovian, as usual we share the same judgments of ourselves!! I sit there and pick myself apart also!! Its like ive got another person in my head, sitting in judgement of me!! It is so stressful!! Im learning how to tell that voice to be quiet and respect whatever i said, is good...i dont need to change it! Instead, i need to react to the responses to it...in my way! If responses are negative then ive learned im not coming across as i intended, and i adjust! I cant change who i am in order to appear to be something im not!
Instead im learning to react to others perception of my words, good or bad, i learn how im coming across and how im seen in reality! Its just like ripping band aids off....it forces you to adjust...in reality!!
I think thats what we are all learning here, its soooooooo hard to learn, but also so healing! You matter above anyone because if your not healthy you cant help anyone else grow!
I think we, and our misinterpretations, misunderstandings and not quite getting each other is very good for us! I think we are all hanging in there, trying to learn from it, not run from it....i love it and appreciate everything we share!! TY, both of you are amazingly good souls and we are all learning together!!! No judgement, just appreciation, respect and growth here!!! IP: Logged |
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posted October 14, 2012 04:33 AM
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Originally posted by mirage29:
Jovian and Gabby,
I felt a bit hurt, surprised and confused by your reactions to my first communications. Wanted to understand and be clearer before responding to it. This miscommunication was a bit shocking to me, but I let it go ahead and roll for a while in order to analyze and watch what was going on here.... I think perhaps Jovian understood the tone better. Definitely, it is my mistake to have 'cozied up too soon' and made a QUOTED post to a specific person, as opposed to a shaping it into a stand-alone more-general posting (as above... oops, this post is now the lead for page 3). I feel my intentions were misread, and I apologize. Would have been better for me to realize that I need to "establish" the "new" relationship better first, before casting it in the light and trust of a more familiar friendship. Should have waited for a new relationship to establish itself first, before expressing my heart.... Again, my apology.
I really hope we can get to a place, or maybe we have that your not hurt....i dont ever want or intend to hurt you!! Please tell me what i can do to help! IP: Logged |
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posted October 14, 2012 05:59 PM
... U R An   IP: Logged |
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posted October 14, 2012 06:52 PM
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... [b]U R An [/B]
Awe, thanks! *blushing* IP: Logged |
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posted October 17, 2012 02:44 PM
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posted October 18, 2012 12:23 PM
Astrologer Tom Lescher does "Lilith" workshops. Came upon this video that raises awareness for his workshops, but more than that, he teaches about Black Moon Lilith... (very good explanations).(Tom Lescher) 2012: Preparing for Union [13:08] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2co0L2S9_U&feature=bf_prev&list=PLB53107FD892B6D5F IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2012 01:06 PM
OMG! This ends up being really really funny. See that? Astrologers DO have more fun!!!! Tom Lescher and Jewels 'attempting' to have an interview on Astrology (for May2012) [outtakes][8:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14si8KWS5zU&feature=relmfu (potty-Language warning! oh sh.....t) IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2012 01:30 PM
Oh Gabby-ness!! --- This is something you have been saying? Tom Lescher video. He describes Neptune, and selfdoubt and guilt and feeling 'punished'...-Chiron Neptune PISCES Moon's Nodes SQUARE
-Jupiter Venus Conjunct in GEMINI
(July 2012) tom_083 [10:42]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amHr01mKk88&feature=BFa&list=PLEA2302A6CC314087 letting go IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2012 01:49 PM
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Astrologer Tom Lescher does "Lilith" workshops. Came upon this video that raises awareness for his workshops, but more than that, he teaches about [b]Black Moon Lilith... (very good explanations).(Tom Lescher) 2012: Preparing for Union [13:08] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2co0L2S9_U&feature=bf_prev&list=PLB53107FD892B6D5F [/B]
OMG! I have said these exact things about lilith and how she is actually wanting us to become independent and find the power in ourselves so we dont have to turn to outside unpredictable sources! If we dont her energy gets angry and turns inward and brings destructive energies to us to try to force us to start standing up for ourselves or we keep suffering until we do...to lilith not standing up for ourselves is like a slap in her face and everything she stands for and is trying to teach us! IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2012 05:02 PM
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Oh Gabby-ness!! --- This is something you have been saying? Tom Lescher video. He describes Neptune, and selfdoubt and guilt and feeling 'punished'...-Chiron Neptune PISCES Moon's Nodes SQUARE
-Jupiter Venus Conjunct in GEMINI
(July 2012) tom_083 [10:42]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amHr01mKk88&feature=BFa&list=PLEA2302A6CC314087 letting go
Yes, i don't think ppl really get sometimes how important neptune is...its like the ozone layer of our soul, without it we get hit by all the harmful energies around us directly...neptune is the shield that softens the blow, if its a square to a planet, like your moon, it means you will live in a harsh world emotionally! If its a square to venus, love will be very hard on you, when you get hit, your going to feel it!! Sq your sun, your ego will take a pounding from time to time. The planets that are square will feel no protection from the energies thrown at you! In synastry same thing, your sq. neptune to them means there personal planet is getting no love, protection or forgiveness from you! You may not even realize it, but they feel it because its a personal planet of theirs and it irritates them about you! A conjunction from your neptune to either your personal planet or someone else can soften the energy too much! You lose perspective and all you see is neptunes pretty, soft, protective energy...and you totally deny or refuse to see the bad going on!
This is the gift and curse of neptune!! Its a gift because neptune is our souls protection from pain! When you disassociate, you go into neptune, then the pain isnt so bad because your not really there in reality, your physically there but emotionally your not! The women whos husbands beat them, and then the girl says, oh he didnt mean to do that, he just loves me so much he gets jealous! Shes living in neptune, and because of that shes able to deal with the situation! As a child, we cant get away from our abusers, we need neptune to protect our core soul! If we never leave neptune, and face reality we will always draw ppl to us that validate our neptune existence...we will bring pain to us so we can always stay in neptunes warm world. Sounds weird, huh? I believe neptune is what helps us keep our sanity while going thru pain as a child by allowing us to pretend, and really believe the lies we tell ourselves...neptune is a coping mechanism, its the outlet we use to dissociate from reality! I would imagine if someone had an unaspected neptune, if they had a tragic childhood, they could completely disconnect from reality and feel nothing, but can they come back? I dont know! Once the abuse has stopped the hard part is getting the parts of ourselves that went into neptune to come back into reality!
I believe most of the ppl who lose their mind, split personalities, personality disorders are ppl who have went into neptune for an escape from pain and instead of trying to get back to reality they just stayed there and lost contact with reality!! Leaving neptune is when you begin healing! I have to admit the fear of returning is almost more painful than the abuse that caused you to go there! At first your emotionally terrified, parts of you feels like your walking back into the fire with no protection!
Ripping off the band aids as Jovian called it, is the same as leaving neptune's security!
If you can take the mature parts of yourself, get them strong enough to handle what happened, see how a part of you isnt functioning correctly and logically see you dont need to hide anymore, your not a child anymore! Begin using the strong parts of yourself to combat the weak parts, and force them out of neptune and back into the real world you can grow at a core level.
Those parts that are in neptune need help getting out, but when they do you will stop attracting the situations that validate their need to be living inside the non reality of neptune. Neptune is like Neverland, your an endless child, if you dont go back and touch those places that a part of you entered Neverland you will always have parts of you that are immature, self sabotaging and go out looking for ways to make sure they can stay in Neverland!! IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2012 06:52 PM
Cripes, Gabby... Remarkable assessment of Neptune, there. Thanks.Mine directly opposes my Saturn. A real cluster-f*ck. IDK--yeah, in synastry, someone's personal planet can be conjunct my Neptune in la la land...but then it is also opposed to my Saturn. Pfft. Double whammy. ...And I'm reading your description of having one's Neptune in hard aspect to another's personal planet...and the other person therefore not "feeling the love." ...My ex-Gf's Sun is square my Neptune...and therefore making a T-square with my Saturn as well. ...Idk... I really can't shake my sadness about our relationship right now. ...And what were you guys mentioning? Neptune guilt and doubt? Oh yeah. This just confirms for me that she didn't get a lot of acknowledgment from me for who she was. ...Oh yeah-- and wasn't self-pity somewhere in that Neptune description? 
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posted October 18, 2012 07:40 PM
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Cripes, Gabby... Remarkable assessment of Neptune, there. Thanks.Mine directly opposes my Saturn. A real cluster-f*ck. IDK--yeah, in synastry, someone's personal planet can be conjunct my Neptune in la la land...but then it is also opposed to my Saturn. Pfft. Double whammy. ...And I'm reading your description of having one's Neptune in hard aspect to another's personal planet...and the other person therefore not "feeling the love." ...My ex-Gf's Sun is square my Neptune...and therefore making a T-square with my Saturn as well. ...Idk... I really can't shake my sadness about our relationship right now. ...And what were you guys mentioning? Neptune guilt and doubt? Oh yeah. This just confirms for me that she didn't get a lot of acknowledgment from me for who she was.
Direct opposition...ok, im going to be blunt...but i still love you, pls dont take offense, youll make me cry!! 
Your tough, on yourself on everyone, your maturity, learning, guiding doesnt naturally have much softness, you may feel empathy but it probably comes out a bit cold, unless you are aware and purposefully stop to think before you speak, unless you force tenderness, your saturn without neptune is esp harsh! PLz dont be mad at me!! PLZ! *HUGS* Changing it is just a mind over matter thing! We all have them! I have had to recognize my natural reaction in certain areas isnt how i want to be, so i practice by stopping my natural flow of energy, taking a deep breath and thinking about the person i want to be, not the person i am! I react with the energy of who i want to be, and it builds self esteem and becomes easier and easier with every time you do it...now i dont feel the old energy as much, im more prone now to react with the energy that makes me feel good about myself!
Whats great is once you start changing these energies it has a domino affect that allows you to see other areas that need work and so you work on it, then you see another, it almost becomes fun! Before you know it, your much happier, feel better and kind of start liking yourself!! LOL IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2012 08:03 PM
Hard aspects to neptune are blind spots...for good or bad.....hard aspects to personal planets make you insensitive or oversensitive and idealistic..... Sq. blocks out the other planets connection with empathy/ tenderness or they its given to much.....either way your not behaving in character to who you really are but you just cant see it! If you step back and examine your behaviors the things others have said about you that you felt was them being weird not you...compare it to how neptune aspects all ur planets you might start seeing some eye opening patterns!! N then with work you can change it to fit with qho you want to be!IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2012 08:28 PM
Hi Jovian, Hi Gabby-- I have soooo much to say. This is really a challenge--- challenge to assemble quick sentences and say what I want to say exactly as I intend it! OHHHH pleeease have mercy on me!!And I do NOT have an astrology teacher!--- I'm gleaning all this on my own, and my self-learning methods are perhaps a bit scattered around in knowledge. Trying to pin myself down more now. I've been experiencing a very wonderful time of synthesis recently.... So please bear with my astrological innovative brains. (I'm not used to being around people much, and MUCH less anyone verbalize astrology. It's HARD to put what I know into words.... but I'll get there!!) @ Gabby--- Wow! You've thought a lot about Neptune, and "felt" a lot about it. When I said Tom Lescher describes Neptune, then I put a comma, then I added selfdoubt and guilt and feeling punished all in the same string of words? I was using the words more as a "tag" than associating them as 'the definition'. I don't think Neptune by itself is responsible for that---- just helps create the 'environment' or set an atmosphere for "it" to have a place to 'happen' if other things in the chart support it. I don't think Neptune is the "only" planet engaged in dissociation. Pehaps the Moon, Mutable Signs & Houses, and Pluto has an involvement. I've also read that some say Mars-aspects are involved... (I don't know, and i'm still working on picking all that apart in my studies.) Guilt sounds more like 'moon' and nodes to me! Mother-stuff. Neptune is more 'father'-related... if it's in the 10th House (Cappy-saturn)? I think Yes, about ozone and 'shields' with Neptune..., but perhaps when involved with houses or zodiacs of MUTABLEness? Neptune depends on WHERE it is in the chart---especially the House it's in. Think about the SHAPE of the GLYPH for NEPTUNE. There's that semi-circle, (and the verical line down, crossing a short horizontal line). So look at the semi-circle and see a CUP. What makes it a CUP? The "space"... eh? The boundary of the cup defines and opens a piece of space. To me, Neptune is 'the space to' --- 'the space to' [ ] . s p a c e o u t .... A DIFFERENT "cupholder" is also the glyph for PLUTO. With Pluto, there's that separated little circle inside the semicircle. Sanitized and separate little semicircle. It's own little sanitized space, unconnected. Neptune is wide open, lives above and below. OH!!! I dunno!!! Hey? Wouldya pass the inhaler, please? a little 'thin' air up here....! (Today, T-Sun is ON my Neptune (conj urania, Gabby) ). Sedna is directly in opposition. IP: Logged |
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posted October 18, 2012 08:31 PM
OMG.... Wish this was in "real" time somehow. Can't see that you are having "convos" with each other WITHOUT me. I think and type too s l o w ......Jovian, has something just happened with you and your girlfriend in the past day? IP: Logged |
mirage29
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posted October 18, 2012 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Hard aspects to neptune are blind spots...for good or bad.....hard aspects to personal planets make you insensitive or oversensitive and idealistic..... Sq. blocks out the other planets connection with empathy/ tenderness or they its given to much.....either way your not behaving in character to who you really are but you just cant see it! If you step back and examine your behaviors the things others have said about you that you felt was them being weird not you...compare it to how neptune aspects all ur planets you might start seeing some eye opening patterns!! N then with work you can change it to fit with qho you want to be!
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mirage29
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posted October 18, 2012 08:48 PM
ooookay! guess you guys are gone....I'd stopped by here tonight to pass an url to you all, on sagittalness .... The Scoop on Sagittarius, by Celeste Teal (c 1998) article in STAR SIGNS Astrology Zine
http://www.astrologyzine.com/sagittarius-1.shtml goodnight... IP: Logged | |
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