posted October 20, 2012 03:22 PM            

First, wow! You grew up in a cult? That must have been intense. (I am holding back asking you a million questions)

Second, I started that ohno! thread so if you have it conjunct anything I'd love to hear about it.

Third, I think we figured out that there is no actual Theseus now It's another mythical man named Thereus. Disappointing because I was curious to see what it was actually conjunct in my synastry with my ex.

posted October 20, 2012 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, I`ve seen Thereus as well, but he`s not the same as Theseus, and it seemed a bit reaching to me, esp. since there exists a different entity with that name.

LLOL Just read up on Medea, seems she became the stepmother of THESEUS.

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posted October 20, 2012 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
I ask you because you seem to know more about the myths than Google.

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LOL And thank you.

actually I grew up in this myths. It feels so, not that I grew up WITH them but livingt hem from the inside out. It`s hard to explain, but for a time in my preteen years, I was moving "among gods".
Not literally, but my imagination was just so strong.

Anyway, in more practical terms I simply devoured the books, and when I discovered astrology, it seemed like the perfect fit. Like I found a way of application for the archetypes in these myths.
I am still fascinated with them and their human psychological perspective.

Anyway, yes, definitely MEDEA can be a point where you are vulnerable to the utmost betrayel, but it is also a possible point of taking "bloody revenge".

posted October 20, 2012 04:21 PM            

"ave a fixed Moon in Taurus (in H12) and Venus square Pluto as well so I can definitely relate."
Yeah, my Moon is in Aquarius. You should think this detached moon was better in letting go. But actually Aqua Moons are pretty fixed, though usually try to rationalize it.

"This was very timely for me and after having a really big cry and releasing session with myself last night I feel some weight has left my body (though not all)."
I am glad it helped at least a bit. Processing the grief is, well, a process. It is not done in one go.
Actually in my case it keeps coming back, but like in a spiral, everytime it comes back it is less sharp, more distanced. And now it`s just an echo of a feeling anymore.

"really dislikes the discomfort of sitting in that grief and processing it"
Yes, I know what you mean.

"The older you get (I'm 36) the harder it is to believe that but I keep hoping it's true."
I`m 37 - I think, I never know for sure. lol- and to be honest I feel I am more on the mend than ever before.
There is no pain like losing your faith; a long dark night of the soul. Iīve been there, and even when I had identified what was amiss, I couldnīt change it. You can`t simply order yourself to believe again.
Coming to LL started that process of gradually regaining my faith, not just in love, but in myself, my perception.
It is on a bit different level like the grief of a lost love and healing those wounds, but this loss of faith and spirituality has always been the greatest loss for me.

posted October 20, 2012 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Gabby,

wow, that sounds really harsh.
And then with the Medea-Jason-opposition. IT is probably not a good idea if someone else aspects it too strongly.

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What do you of think a 1st house medea/5th house jason trine but far 6 orbs...in composite. 1st house medea conjunct juno by 2 degrees, medea opposed Chiron/vertex in 7th
Then also in our composite ariadne conjunct jupiter by 2 degrees in 5th and dionysis conjunct saturn by 1 degree on MC?

posted October 20, 2012 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sorcha,

"ave a fixed Moon in Taurus (in H12) and Venus square Pluto as well so I can definitely relate."
Yeah, my Moon is in Aquarius. You should think this detached moon was better in letting go. But actually Aqua Moons are pretty fixed, though usually try to rationalize it.

"This was very timely for me and after having a really big cry and releasing session with myself last night I feel some weight has left my body (though not all)."
I am glad it helped at least a bit. Processing the grief is, well, a process. It is not done in one go.
Actually in my case it keeps coming back, but like in a spiral, everytime it comes back it is less sharp, more distanced. And now it`s just an echo of a feeling anymore.

"really dislikes the discomfort of sitting in that grief and processing it"
Yes, I know what you mean.

"The older you get (I'm 36) the harder it is to believe that but I keep hoping it's true."
I`m 37 - I think, I never know for sure. lol- and to be honest I feel I am more on the mend than ever before.
There is no pain like losing your faith; a long dark night of the soul. Iīve been there, and even when I had identified what was amiss, I couldnīt change it. You can`t simply order yourself to believe again.
Coming to LL started that process of gradually regaining my faith, not just in love, but in myself, my perception.
It is on a bit different level like the grief of a lost love and healing those wounds, but this loss of faith and spirituality has always been the greatest loss for me.

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posted October 20, 2012 04:40 PM            

" 1st house medea conjunct juno by 2 degrees, medea opposed Chiron/vertex in 7th"
If the orbs are under 2 degrees, very relevant. There might be an insane attraction due to the Medea-Juno-conjunct, but both mythological figure relate to powerplays, issues around jealousy and betrayal by their husbands, equality a big theme.
With the opposition to Chiron, there could be real hurting around these issues.
Either these things might manifest during the course of the relationship, or the relationship triggers the memory of these old wounds and they are bound to hurt really much.
But before a wound can heal, it has to be brought out into the open to the healing light of the sun, so if people are now withdrawing because they can`t bear it anylonger but really stick it through together, then real healing might be possible. However I`d like to see Amor or Valentine or Ceres or Philia even or Angel being trine or sextile one of the ends of theo pposition here. If there is not a softening aspect, it might get too harsh.

"Then also in our composite ariadne conjunct jupiter by 2 degrees in 5th and dionysis conjunct saturn by 1 degree on MC?"
ARiadne-Jupiter could be about a healing of loss through generosity of Jupiter, yes. Dionysos conjunct Saturn, not totally sure, maybe something karmic. However, Dionysos on his own without connection to his soulmate Ariadne is still a symbol of drunkenness; overdoing things to feel the rush of extasy and then waking up with a hangover. Or destroying things while being in that state. However with Saturn on there the excesses might be kept in check and focused in healthier terms.

"Would this show a relationship that is about healing?"
For healing look up Reiki, Hygeia, Pholus, Angel, Aesculapia, Asclepius, Apollo as well.

posted October 20, 2012 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
Gabby,

First, wow! You grew up in a cult? That must have been intense. (I am holding back asking you a million questions)

Second, I started that ohno! thread so if you have it conjunct anything I'd love to hear about it.

Third, I think we figured out that there is no actual Theseus now It's another mythical man named Thereus. Disappointing because I was curious to see what it was actually conjunct in my synastry with my ex.

But Ceri was saying that Medea might be a good substitute.

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posted October 20, 2012 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"What do you of think a 1st house medea/5th house jason trine but far 6 orbs"
Irrelevant. Two asteroids, 6 orb much too wide to be meaningful.
And it would have been a trine, so probably not that much harm anyway.

" 1st house medea conjunct juno by 2 degrees, medea opposed Chiron/vertex in 7th"
If the orbs are under 2 degrees, very relevant. There might be an insane attraction due to the Medea-Juno-conjunct, but both mythological figure relate to powerplays, issues around jealousy and betrayal by their husbands, equality a big theme.
With the opposition to Chiron, there could be real hurting around these issues.
Either these things might manifest during the course of the relationship, or the relationship triggers the memory of these old wounds and they are bound to hurt really much.
But before a wound can heal, it has to be brought out into the open to the healing light of the sun, so if people are now withdrawing because they can`t bear it anylonger but really stick it through together, then real healing might be possible. However I`d like to see Amor or Valentine or Ceres or Philia even or Angel being trine or sextile one of the ends of theo pposition here. If there is not a softening aspect, it might get too harsh.

"Then also in our composite ariadne conjunct jupiter by 2 degrees in 5th and dionysis conjunct saturn by 1 degree on MC?"
ARiadne-Jupiter could be about a healing of loss through generosity of Jupiter, yes. Dionysos conjunct Saturn, not totally sure, maybe something karmic. However, Dionysos on his own without connection to his soulmate Ariadne is still a symbol of drunkenness; overdoing things to feel the rush of extasy and then waking up with a hangover. Or destroying things while being in that state. However with Saturn on there the excesses might be kept in check and focused in healthier terms.

"Would this show a relationship that is about healing?"
For healing look up Reiki, Hygeia, Pholus, Angel, Aesculapia, Asclepius, Apollo as well.

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Ok...ill check that out!
Our relationship has already brought up past hurts...hes not even really do anything just something about him is triggering stuff in me! Ugh!

posted October 21, 2012 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

Our relationship has already brought up past hurts...hes not even really do anything just something about him is triggering stuff in me! Ugh!

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posted October 21, 2012 02:43 PM            

The energy here is so warm, gentle and welcoming!

And my heart goes out to all who have endured/are enduring the pain of lost love. Even while in a relationship, there can at times be sharp/acute pain that needs to be handled with soooo much care and attention. Sometimes I feel (wishful thinking, I know) that if this (the pain) is what it means to grow, then I would love to revert to being a child when Mom took care of everything.

Ceri I LOVE your opening post and how you presented the myth of this pair, including the part about the opera.

And love this too ...
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"She is also an archetype that intelligent women who fail to be appreciated for their intellect will have affinity for. In the marriage between Ariadne and Dionysus, female intellect meets male chaos and ecstasy. In this union, you can expect something completely new to be born as neither of them are bound by tradition or gender roles."

Thank you for starting such a caring thread. Reading it through, I felt an almost healing type of energy coming from it.

-In my synastry, my Dionysus conjuncts his Ariadne (exact-less than 30 mins), and this conjunction sextiles my Moon and trines his Asc (both less than 2 deg), and with a wider orb of 4, the conjunction sextiles his SN.
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The conjunction is in Cancer and in the composite, it is in the 4th house, squared by 1st hse Moon and trined by 7th hse Jupiter (both 1 deg or less).
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-Also my Ariadne sextiles his Dionysus (less than 2 deg), and this sextile is exactly conjunct his Mercury.

Would this be considered a DW even though one aspect is a conjunction and the other a sextile?

Also, what does it imply other than it is a soul mate pairing?

I recently read somewhere (sry can't remember the thread), where you said that having one soul mate pair in synastry is good, and two is awesome(?) Ok, I'm supplying my own words here, as I don't think these were your exact words

But I wondered whether you meant that it is usual to have one or two soul mate pairs at the most in synastry? 'Cause I don't think my synastry is out of the ordinary at all and from what I remember I think I have at least 6 pairings with tight orbs. Would you mind commenting on this too?

Thanks again for the awesome energy on this thread! And the time you take to help us all

posted October 21, 2012 03:22 PM            

I am absolutely overjoyed you found your way here.
I missed talking to you.

"Reading it through, I felt an almost healing type of energy coming from it."
Yes, that was the intention behind it; I just didn`t know when I started it. Sometimes there is this little voice whispering to me to start a certain thread and get the energy flowing. I think it is what happened in this case. It is as much about healing as about astrology.
Maybe it is simply because *I* feel like I am in a very healing stage in my life RIGHT NOW.
Maybe it simply spills over a little.
And I also made that thread to let people know that they are not alone with the suffering, the grief, the pain. I justn oticed so many women and increasingly men as well suffering from emotional wounds. And there is even an astrological archetype for it, and it is one that promises healing and love.
Isn`t that a great feeling or thought?
To me it feels like a symbolic emotional resurrection, and I wanted to share that feeling. This: You are not alone; even though your pain is unique and individual, so many have been and are going through the same/ similiar process. And yes, there IS a light at the end of the tunnel. It`s not the end, and the darkness will wane, the fog will lift, and have no fear when you step out into the sun and it hurts your eyes and your heart for a moment. It`s not a real hurt, it is just all that ice melting away from your heart and soul.

THAT is what the myth makes me feel like.
Sorry if that was rambling on too much.

"-In my synastry, my Dionysus conjuncts his Ariadne (exact-less than 30 mins),"
WOW! Floored! Completely. AMZAING.

" and this conjunction sextiles my Moon and trines his Asc (both less than 2 deg),"
so there is an important link to the core of the chart.

"-Also my Ariadne sextiles his Dionysus (less than 2 deg), and this sextile is exactly conjunct his Mercury."
A DW!
Within 2 degrees.
Wonderful!
I find it to be even stronger, since a conjunction is involved.

You know what is funny? I was after starting that thread looking at a synastry and it turns out, his DIONYSOS conjuncts my ARIADNE in Scorpio (2 degrees) and it is conjunct my Draco Saturn - can yuo say, karmic? lol
his ARIADNE is widely square my BACCHUS (3 degrees and antiscion-square my DIONYSOS exact) and exactly trne my NN-Neptune.
WEll, I only named the others BECAUSE there is a conjunction. without the conjunction I donīt think these would have qualified to be even mentioned. lol

But talk about synchronicity. LOL

Actually I LOVE the fact that his Venus is totally exactly trine my Adonis - but that is a pairing for another day.

"Would this be considered a DW even though one aspect is a conjunction and the other a sextile?"
Definitely.
I wouldnīt use minor aspect though (and starting to treat quinkunx as major aspect - it might be a hard to grasp aspect, but there is quite some mystical quality to it)

"Also, what does it imply other than it is a soul mate pairing?"
It hightlights the particular theme of the pairing as the myth exemplifies.
The healing power of love, and probably Dionysos being more quickly aware of the love. Though in synastry it can happen that we project the qualities. Especially if a woman`s Dionysos and a man`s Ariadne might be involved, there could be a transference or projection going on. "You play out Dionysos for me" - so to speak.
But it is not always the case, and probably there would need tobe strong aspects to core planets in the other`s chart.

For example if my Dionysos was aspecting a man`s Ariadne, and at the same time my Dionysos was conjunct hsi Sun-Mars-ASC-conjunction, I might see in him my Dionysos, as his Sun-Mars-ASC embody the very qualities I associate with Dionysos - so projection would be more likely.
That is often the reason we cannot always say that one person will act out the planet that is affected, even though it is the case most of the time.

", where you said that having one soul mate pair in synastry is good, and two is awesome(?)"
Yes, it was the question about Paul Newman, Joanne Woodward and wide orbs.

What I mean is that it is rare to have TWO soulmate pairings that are conjunct or opposite AND are within one degree orb.
But that it is far easier to find several 4 degrees sextiles between soulmate pairings, but these donīt mean anything.
However IF these two or three (I donīt really have a number in my head) soulmate aspects happen, THEN even a wider soulmate pairing might qualify a closer check up.
Not as a "proof" of soulmate ship, but to see what themes are highlighted
Do you know what I mean? Do you see the difference?

To be honest I start thinking (maybe wishful thinking though) that an one degree sextile or quinkunx between a soulmate pairing (and I only count the divine complements here, not the heroes and heroines no matter how much I love the fact that Jude Law`s LANCELOT is EXACTLY opposite my GUINEVERE and his Dr ARTHUR conjunct my GUINEVERE. ) than a wider conjunction or opposition. And wide starts at 3 degrees in my book!

But look at all the soulmates in history, or those we think that are - they ALL have these exgtra tight soulmate pairings though different ones. Even my lovely parents have these. lol

My Dad`s Juno opposites my mumīs Jupiter
(my Dad`s Jupiter sextiles my Mums Juno at one egree)
my Dad`s Osiris is absolutely exactly opposite my Mum`s Isis
And Dad`s Pluto trines her Persephone at 1°30.

It is actually quite stunning to see this.
Not because those are four aspects, but the PRECISION of them.

That is the keyword here for me; if you donīt have precise soulmate aspects and/or have no conjunction/opposition and maybe even trine between soulmate pairings, then you are not looking at "top priority soulmates".
Soulmates will always be highlighted in synastry by very precise aspects and patterns.

If this is not the case, the people can still love each other and have a good relationship, their souls might just not be just as closely connected and intertwined. If you have these precise aspects it is like two pieces locking into each other - with a widish orb, there is more air and space in the connection.

"But I wondered whether you meant that it is usual to have one or two soul mate pairs at the most in synastry? "
No. I have seen 5 or 6 or even more soulmate pairings aspect in synastries between absolute not-soulmates.
Two things I noticed about these:
1. orbs were either pretty wide or not even one conjunction or opposition or trine (I gues the trine is more important as I always believed, because of the elements involved - there is alchemy happening!)

2. their cores were not in touch (Sun, Moon, ASC, IC, anglerulers, nodal axis. Period.)

Because do we honestly think that if soulmates can be seen in astrology, that astrology would "forget" bringing the core object in touch with each other?

Of course that is just my perception, and others may differ. But Ijust can`t give my own view on things.

"the ordinary at all and from what I remember I think I have at least 6 pairings with tight orbs. Would you mind commenting on this too?"
Let me see those aspects and orbs.

And also the interconnections between the luminaries, angles, anglerulers, nodal axis.

posted October 21, 2012 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:
Yeah, and what's interesting, that they indeed are different ones! And what's even more thrilling that their stories seem to resemble the story of the myth that is closest in their synastry. But that's particularly is true with conjunctions/oppositions...

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Yes, absolutely spot on! And that is the beauty of it.
Def. a different feel if the basic soulmate pairings are Eros and Psyhche or Isis and Osiris or Zeus and Hera.

posted October 21, 2012 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:
Ceri, what would you say if in regular synastry, say Eros&Psyche would be conjunct 3 degrees, but in Draconic by 15 minutes?

That the relationship that is happening now, is just an echo of what was times ago?

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posted October 21, 2012 05:14 PM            

And thanks for your completely comprehensive and deeply insightful response. As usual I end up learning so much from you from one single reply!

And no you're not rambling at all! When you write like that I immediately start thinking about your best seller that I'm going to read soon (no pressure, though).

And the reason why I think your writing is so beautiful is because you emote so well! Take a look at this ...
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"To me it feels like a symbolic emotional resurrection, and I wanted to share that feeling. This: You are not alone; even though your pain is unique and individual, so many have been and are going through the same/ similiar process. And yes, there IS a light at the end of the tunnel. It`s not the end, and the darkness will wane, the fog will lift, and have no fear when you step out into the sun and it hurts your eyes and your heart for a moment. It`s not a real hurt, it is just all that ice melting away from your heart and soul."

I mean if I found this type of writing in astrology books, I would read them from cover to cover and become an astrology expert in no time!! Hint, hint ... my acquiring of astrological expertise depends on your writing your book

"his DIONYSOS conjuncts my ARIADNE in Scorpio (2 degrees) and it is conjunct my Draco Saturn - can yuo say, karmic? lol" Yes that's pretty awesome! And in scorpio, no less!

"starting to treat quinkunx as major aspect - it might be a hard to grasp aspect, but there is quite some mystical quality to it" Yeah, I'm beginning to get that too, not only from your posts but from other astrologers too on the web.

"Especially if a woman`s Dionysos and a man`s Ariadne might be involved, there could be a transference or projection going on. "You play out Dionysos for me" - so to speak." Your entire explanation of this type of projection of energy is very insightful, thank you.

"Not as a "proof" of soulmate ship, but to see what themes are highlighted
Do you know what I mean? Do you see the difference?" Let me clarify here-From what I understand, you mean that in the RARE case of someone having TWO tight soulmate pairings (w/in 1 orb) ... then within such a synastry, other wider orbed soulmate pairings can highlight particular themes in the relationship, instead of indicating that the two people are actual soulmates. Did I understand you correctly here? If so, then yes I get the difference in what you're trying to say. And I think the distinction is an important one.

"And wide starts at 3 degrees in my book!" Ok here I would like your opinion on smth I wrote in my Star of David thread. I noticed that my Bharat (asteroid for India) is in a 3 degree conjunction to my Saturn. And from my dreams as well as the matching astrology, it is clear that I've had past lives (at least two, per iQ's confirmation) in India. So would you agree that even a conjunction of 3 orb is quite significant?

"Soulmates will always be highlighted in synastry by very precise aspects and patterns." Yes, I understand and completely agree. BTW, those aspects in your parents' synastry are pretty mind blowing. Thanks for pointing out the precision angle of it all.

"If you have these precise aspects it is like two pieces locking into each other - with a widish orb, there is more air and space in the connection." Yup, well said!

"1. orbs were either pretty wide or not even one conjunction or opposition or trine (I gues the trine is more important as I always believed, because of the elements involved - there is alchemy happening!)

2. their cores were not in touch (Sun, Moon, ASC, IC, anglerulers, nodal axis. Period.)" These two points are very key, I think.

"Because do we honestly think that if soulmates can be seen in astrology, that astrology would "forget" bringing the core object in touch with each other?" A very important point to remember.

"Let me see those aspects and orbs.

And also the interconnections between the luminaries, angles, anglerulers, nodal axis." Thank you so much for offering to check these for me. I'll put this info together and post it here later.

"and I only count the divine complements here" Ceri, I wondered if you could please mention the list of the divine pairings versus the non-divine ones? Thanks.

Again, THANK YOU for sharing all this knowledge. I'm completely grateful! Besides, it's ALWAYS fun to catch up with you and your thought process. You make learning fun!

posted October 23, 2012 06:35 AM            

"I just wish a day could be 48 hrs long!"
Yes, me too.

"I immediately start thinking about your best seller that I'm going to read soon (no pressure, though).
"
LOL

"es that's pretty awesome! And in scorpio, no less!"
Yes, feels deep. and intense.

"Let me clarify here-From what I understand, you mean that in the RARE case of someone having TWO tight soulmate pairings (w/in 1 orb) ... then within such a synastry, other wider orbed soulmate pairings can highlight particular themes in the relationship, instead of indicating that the two people are actual soulmates."
yes, that is how I meant it.

" So would you agree that even a conjunction of 3 orb is quite significant?"
Definitely. 3 orb for conjunction is valid. however it is not as strong as an exact one. I am sure though you will have other very precise aspects that support this 3 degree conjunction.

"BTW, those aspects in your parents' "
Yes, they even have a Sun-Moon-opposition at one and a half degree. lol
And an precise Venus-ASC-conjunction.

"These two points are very key, I think."
I am glad you agree. It is such a key-issue for me, that I won`t go off of it, no matter how open I am to other suggestions usually. This is back-bone-stuff, to me at least.

And honestly even ONE precise conjunction, like for example Sun exactly conjunct IC, will be awesome. I rather have ONE SINGLE exact conjunction of Sun or Moon to the IC, than five 3 degrees trines.
There is another reason for the strength of very tight orbs. Transits definitely really kick in when they are maybe one degree of orb; you can feel them before, but that is when things get ACUTE. And these transits will activate certain synastry aspects but of course only within an orb of maybe 2 degrees. Wider aspects will be felt, but the transit activation will not happen SIMULTANEOIUSLY with the SAME STRENGTH. That only happens when the transits and aspects are bascially exact or very tight. (Stephen Arroyo explained it in one of his books as well, and coincidentally I have arrived at the same orb than he did for this "activation range": 2°).

"I wondered if you could please mention the list of the divine pairings versus the non-divine ones? Thanks."

DIVINE PAIRINGS
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Zeus - Hera
Jupiter - Juno
Pluto - Proserpina or Persephone
Osiris - Isis
Siva - Parvati or Kaali

DIVINE and MORTAL PAIRINGS
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Eros - Psyche
Bacchus and Dionysos - Ariadne
Venus/Aphrodite/Inannen/Ishtar/Astarte - Adonis

SPECIAL cases:
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Psyche
Ariadne

Both, though mortal, are granted immortality because of their lover to an immortal, which I think makes them very unique.

Adonis is sometimes referred to as mortal, sometimes as God.
In the Sumerian and Kanaan literature (Inannen/ Ishtar/ Astarte) he becomes a god being lover of the goddess, after he gest resurrected (there are parallels to jesus actually).

In the Greek and roman version (Venus and Aphrodite) he died in Venus/Aphrodites arms, and got resurrected in the form of a flower (anemone).
It seems that he was the only one, Venus/Aphrodite really loved, as she mourned his death, which she did not do with others.
In some versions of the myth zeus/Jupiter resurrected him, partially, deciding he should stay just one half of the year in the underworld.

I feel the pairings which had been said to have consumed the hieros gamos and which had a cult dedicated to them, might be more relevant than others, because they are so ddeeply embedded in the collective`s psyche.

"Hieros gamos or Hierogamy (Greek ἱερὸς γάμος, ἱερογαμία "holy marriage") refers to a sexual ritual that plays out a marriage between a god and a goddess, especially when enacted in a symbolic ritual where human participants represent the deities. It is the harmonization of opposites.[citation needed]"

One of the earliest versions of the sacred marriage, as a ritual, happened in sumer Adonis and Inanna/Ishtar, and of course later Astarte/aphrodite as well.

Zeus and Hera`s marriage was referred to as "hieros gamos", too, despite the complications in their marriage after the honeymoon, which lasted for 300 years!

Dionysos was also one of the Gods, associated with the sacred marriage-ritual.

Isis/Osiris as well as Siva/Parvati were referred to as inner manifestations of the sacred marriage, though I donīt know if it had been reenacted and ritualized in some form of cult.

http://www.prescottweddings.com/archiveji_10.html

EDIT:
Selene and Endymion might be interesting for astral love relationships as well.

posted October 23, 2012 03:04 PM            

"I rather have ONE SINGLE exact conjunction of Sun or Moon to the IC, than five 3 degrees trines."
Yes, I'm beginning to see that depth of contact is better than surface quantity.

"There is another reason for the strength of very tight orbs. Transits ..."Thx for explaining this. You've said this to me before also, altho in a diff. context ... and I agree. I appreciate your hammering these points home.

Re: the pairings,

1) Would you also include Mary/Maria/Magdalena-Jessie/Yeshuhua, since in your research they had shown up in the charts of about 10 soulmate/TF couples?

2) Also, what are your thoughts about Sheba/Solomin among the non-divine pairs?

3) Under the special cases of Psyche and Adiadne, who would you pair these with, considering they are both feminine?

Thx for the link. It's great info and I've bookmarked it for re-reading later.

"Siva/Parvati were referred to as inner manifestations of the sacred marriage, though I donīt know if it had been reenacted and ritualized in some form of cult."
I've read that in ancient India, temple priestesses were common and my sense from my readings so far is that the sacred marriage was also practiced commonly in India.

I think that where Shiva/Parvati differ from the other pairs (tho' I'm not up on all the myths), is that Lord Shiva, according to Hindu Myth, only had one Consort (Goddess Parvati) whom he married. In fact Goddess Parvati is said to have incarnated more than once, and in each life span She only marries Lord Shiva. On His part, every time She ends in incarnation (each one being several hundred years long), Lord Shiva waits for her to be re-born thus staying ever devoted to Her alone. They are considered inseparable and I think occupy the highest place among all the Hindu Gods. In Hindu prayer worship, I'm told that idols of Shiva and Parvati are sculpted as one ... with the left half of each idol being male and representing Lord Shiva and the right half being female and representing Goddess Parvati. Thereby indicating the perfect masculine/feminine balance.

Thx for taking the time, Ceri. I'm gonna get back to you with my list, for sure, if you can bear with me for a little bit.

posted October 23, 2012 03:14 PM            

About suffering..... I would just like to add something which has helped me heal faster. When the spiral of pain hits, I try not to resist it. Instead I "step into" it and invite it to do its worst....if a part of me has to be destroyed, then so let it be - because what becomes ash cannot hope or hang on to illusions and therefore cannot hurt. Running away or avoiding just prolongs the process. Once there is nothing left of the part of you that was clinging to a phantom, a void is created into which something new will come. You cannot forsee what this will be, but it will give you the chance to start living again with new perspective. A resurrection of sorts, the phoenix arising from the ashes. This is how I see Ariadne's path.... And I bet she had a lot more fun with Dionysus/ Bacchus than what she ever would have had with Theseus!

posted October 23, 2012 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
About suffering..... I would just like to add something which has helped me heal faster. When the spiral of pain hits, I try not to resist it. Instead I "step into" it and invite it to do its worst....if a part of me has to be destroyed, then so let it be - because what becomes ash cannot hope or hang on to illusions and therefore cannot hurt. Running away or avoiding just prolongs the process. Once there is nothing left of the part of you that was clinging to a phantom, a void is created into which something new will come. You cannot forsee what this will be, but it will give you the chance to start living again with new perspective. A resurrection of sorts, the phoenix arising from the ashes. This is how I see Ariadne's path....

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Wise words!

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And I bet she had a lot more fun with Dionysus/ Bacchus than what she ever would have had with Theseus!

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Ya! I bet her life rocked with Dionysys/Bacchus!

posted October 23, 2012 03:47 PM            

"Yes, I'm beginning to see that depth of contact is better than surface quantity."
Yes, that is what really vibrates with me. Well, I have done what others seem to be doing as well. Gathering/ collecting as many aspects as possible, even with a slightly generous orb, but at a certain point I get restless, it feels "off" to me, and I am losing the joy doing astrology, I feel scattered and miles away from my centre and feeling authentic. (Yes, I can actually feel astrology in my body ).

However, if I zoom in onto these 2 degree aspects, with a slight expansion to 4 degrees, but being aware that they are not as core as the 2 degrees one, it feels like things are vibrating with a harmonized frequency. I feel cenred, and I can feel my solar plexus hum. Only when I get that humming feeling I know I am on the right astrological path.
And a 4 degree aspect never gives me that feeling; instead I start feeling like I am lying to myself, maybe because I WANT it so much. I have a certain idea about what a connection is about, and I want to make the astrology fit it, because I htink I know.
But it does not work like that. Astrology accurately descripts connections; the question is often though: Are we ready to accept it?

Like when I pull out my tarot cards and do a reading on someone`s intentions and feelings for me, am I prepared to accept that the 7 of swords or 7 of cups, Death or 8 of cups might appear?
If not, no reading will mean anything at all.
In short am I able to stand the truth? Even if I might not like it?

" I appreciate your hammering these points home."
Sorry about the hammering part. I guess I am too much a teacher to not do it.

"1) Would you also include Mary/Maria/Magdalena-Jessie/Yeshuhua, since in your research they had shown up in the charts of about 10 soulmate/TF couples?"
No, as of now I wouldnīt to be honest.
Though they are a borderline case for me.

The basic premise for me is the embeddedment into a myth, that has influenced the collective mind through their cults and rituals. These myths only mean somethng because they are archetypes reflecting something about the human psyche back to us.
This is not about an indidividual person, no matter how great they are, but an archetype. Larger than life so to speak, BECAUSE it encompasses so much.

Of course this is just based on my understanding of the purpose and meaning and effects of archetypes and myths. If someone rejects that basic premise, then they would probably come to other conclusions. Though to be honest, I guess, there would be not much to discuss for me anymore. Cause this basic premise to me is, well, basic.

"2) Also, what are your thoughts about Sheba/Solomin among the non-divine pairs?"
No. AS far as I know there was no cult attached to them, plus they were historical figures, not god and goddess (which as you may notice I interprete as enlarged and condensed reflections of the human collective psyche).

"3) Under the special cases of Psyche and Adiadne, who would you pair these with, considering they are both feminine?"
They are of course paired with their divine counterpart, and are only in relation to them "soulmatey".

So for Psyche that would be Eros.
For Ariadne it would be Dionysos/ Bacchus

"I've read that in ancient India, temple priestesses were common and my sense from my readings so far is that the sacred marriage was also practiced commonly in India."
Yes, I read that as well by now, at least in term of Shiva and Kaali. Sacred marriage just like in Sumer and other regions of the world.

"In fact Goddess Parvati is said to have incarnated more than once, and in each life span She only marries Lord Shiva."
Yes, I met three incarnations of the Goddess (Shakti, Parvati and Kaali) in a dream once.

"Lord Shiva waits for her to be re-born thus staying ever devoted to Her alone."
Yes, I noticed that the myths are pretty much divided into monogamy and not. lol
One reason I am actually not as fond of Zeus and Hera.

However actualy ERos and Psyche are such a monogamous pair as well, and basically Pluto and Proserpina/ persephone are as well (though both had infatutations, but none ever threatened their union).
Dionysos/ Bacchus was only devoted to his wife Ariadne as well.
Same can be said for Isis and Osiris, esp. Isis.

Well, the not so monogamous lovers of course were Zeus/Hera, Jupiter/Juno and Adonis with whomever he was paired up. lol

"I'm told that idols of Shiva and Parvati are sculpted as one ..."
Yes, Shiva and Parvati are literally seen as one.