posted October 23, 2012 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Thank you for this thread, Ceri. You have highlighted something really important.

About suffering..... I would just like to add something which has helped me heal faster. When the spiral of pain hits, I try not to resist it. Instead I "step into" it and invite it to do its worst....if a part of me has to be destroyed, then so let it be - because what becomes ash cannot hope or hang on to illusions and therefore cannot hurt. Running away or avoiding just prolongs the process. Once there is nothing left of the part of you that was clinging to a phantom, a void is created into which something new will come. You cannot forsee what this will be, but it will give you the chance to start living again with new perspective. A resurrection of sorts, the phoenix arising from the ashes. This is how I see Ariadne's path.... And I bet she had a lot more fun with Dionysus/ Bacchus than what she ever would have had with Theseus!

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I totally agree. Though it was and is a learning process for me.
And totally YES about Bacchus/ Dionysos. Theseus was a wimp!

I mean married to and loved and worshipped by the god of ecstasy!
I want me some of that!

posted October 23, 2012 04:14 PM            

And recently i've noticed that it happens mainly in the presence of one person. Yes, i like him, but WHY does it happen, the pressure in Solar plexus becomes so powerful that it even hurts a bit. It's like i cannot control it. And what's weird, i think it happens to him as well , as he is touching the top of his head very often when in my presence. He isn't into astrology, and bioenergetics, nor does he knows that i am, but hell, what is that? Haven't you heard of such thing? :/

posted October 23, 2012 04:25 PM            

Aeline,

I just was reading up about telepathic connections (actually telpathic sex - but that is a subject for another day I guess) and one of the signs the author listed, that you really have a telepathic connection to someone, was that tingle/ vibration/ hum in the solar plexus, about 2 inches above your navel.
Another is a slight feeling of pressure to your skull and third eye and some other things, which I am ALL experienceing right now. lol

Anyway, there actually is one person in real life, too, who makes my solar plexus react like that. Actually I once passed his way coincidentally (just walked on, I was too surprised and startled. lol) and I actually had the literal feeling as if my entrails needed to find their place inside again, like they have been tumbling all over.
And whenever he is in physical proximity, my solar plexus is not just humming, my whole inside is vibrating on such an intense frequency, as if I am just about to get a stroke. The intensity of it is quite startling.

Why does it happen? I have no clue. At first I thought maybe it is simply a hormonal reaction (or as a good friend said: You really need to get laid. ).

But I donīt know, it actually feels as if, when he is around, my chakra opens and energy is flowing through. Like a Kundalini rising. Which by all means it probably is.

Maybe it is the soul (and body) that recognizes a spiritual connection, or a past life connection, too? Someone of our soulgroup?
Or it is simple sexual attraction? I donīt know.

Oh astroaspects?

WEll, I can show you our first meeting chart

posted October 23, 2012 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL

Aeline,

I just was reading up about telepathic connections (actually telpathic sex - but that is a subject for another day I guess) and one of the signs the author listed, that you really have a telepathic connection to someone, was that tingle/ vibration/ hum in the solar plexus, about 2 inches above your navel.
Another is a slight feeling of pressure to your skull and third eye and some other things, which I am ALL experienceing right now. lol

Anyway, there actually is one person in real life, too, who makes my solar plexus react like that. Actually I once passed his way coincidentally (just walked on, I was too surprised and startled. lol) and I actually had the literal feeling as if my entrails needed to find their place inside again, like they have been tumbling all over.
And whenever he is in physical proximity, my solar plexus is not just humming, my whole inside is vibrating on such an intense frequency, as if I am just about to get a stroke. The intensity of it is quite startling.

Why does it happen? I have no clue. At first I thought maybe it is simply a hormonal reaction (or as a good friend said: You really need to get laid. ).

But I donīt know, it actually feels as if, when he is around, my chakra opens and energy is flowing through. Like a Kundalini rising. Which by all means it probably is.

Maybe it is the soul (and body) that recognizes a spiritual connection, or a past life connection, too? Someone of our soulgroup?
Or it is simple sexual attraction? I donīt know.

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But well, as for aspects, he is the person whose Mercury is exactly conjunct my Moon and his Moon is conjunct my SN, both of our Saturns are exactly conjunct each others NN, and his Venus and Mars are in my 12th, not talking about asteroids. :d

posted October 23, 2012 05:11 PM            

Ceri, just out of curiosity, do you think this effect could be temporarily dulled or prevented if the person experiencing it is going through some sort of Saturn transit? Like maybe Tr Saturn conjunct the Desc/Asc (exact) or thro' the entire 7th hse, or a hard aspect w/ maybe Venus or Moon?

BTW, I noticed that your 3rd hse BML is being approached by Tr Neptune in a conjunction of less than 2 atm. I wonder if this is partly why you're putting out so much healing energy in your communication now, more so than usual?

posted October 23, 2012 05:26 PM            

OMG! Ceri! In our first meeting chart, Mercury is conjunct Kaali as well! When i saw that aspect in your chart i was like - really? Are you kidding me?

It's one of those fascinating moments of astrology.

Actually in our first meeting chart, Kaali is conjunct Mercury by 5 minutes only!!! And conjunct Sun as well. And, oh, what a surprise! This Kaali is EXACTLY EXACTLY onjunct my natal ASC!

posted October 23, 2012 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:
How do you get BML in the chart?

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By putting h13 in the astro selection, just like you would put in an asteroid number

posted October 23, 2012 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
By putting h13 in the astro selection, just like you would put in an asteroid number

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posted October 24, 2012 01:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:
I'm sorry, i misused the term solar plexus!

Actually, not the solar plexus, but the 7th chakra - in the top of the head. i just began reading on the subject and realised that the solar plexus is the third... in our case it's Sahasrara.

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Aeline,
that`s why I mentioned the position of the Solar Plexus.
In my case actually it is three chakras that I can feel humming around him, the solar plexus, third eye and crown chakra.

posted October 24, 2012 06:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Aeline,
that`s why I mentioned the position of the Solar Plexus.
In my case actually it is three chakras that I can feel humming around him, the solar plexus, third eye and crown chakra.

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And a pulling sensation in heart chakra ! Even when not around but just thinking of me... It's really weird, right? How somebody can make us feel all these things

posted November 18, 2013 02:58 AM            

A has Medea a degree before Valentine. Not listing it beyond the start here now. B has Medea opp their Venus, square A's Mars.
A's drac Medea-Valentine opp B's Mars

Medea-Valentine is 1-2 opposite B's Gem NN-Dionysus
Valentine is trine B's Aries Bacchus

Bacchus is conj B's Cap Valentine
Bacchus sext B's 13 Sco Ariadne

Eros conj B's Sco Ariadne
Eros sext Valentine

Psyche 2 conj B's Gem Dionysus
Draconic Psyche opp B's Aries Bacchus

Draconic Eros conj Draconic Psyche
Bacchus conj B's Draconic Eros (nValentine)

A has Moon trine own Dionysus
(B = Dionysus-NN, lunar touch?)
Ariadne trine B's Moon
Moon opp B's draconic Ariadne

Partial Yod-style pattern:
Gem Psyche conj Dionysus-NN

inconjunct Sco Eros conj Ariadne
opp A's Sag Medea-Valentine
inconjunct Cap Bacchus conj Valentine

B's Uranus-Pluto squares their Nodes and A's Valentine though.
B's Moon squares A's Nodes.

QUESTION:

How would Valentine and Bacchus/Dionysus manifest in synastry?

Would it be something overflowing and/or spontaneous? Drunk with love and barely functioning in the world due to the focus on the love interest? What would it be?

Ceridwen wrote the following in another thread:

"He was also associated with the King/ basileus in the Sacred Marriage ritual.
His own sacred Marriage was to Ariadne.

Death and resurrection is a central motive in his rites.
In this way he is sometimes compared to the Osiris-myth."

Would these two/three tie to Kundalini style stuff, too? You were talking about it but I probably missed if it came up otherwise or in relation to these.

Otherwise the synastry above seems to have Vertex opp Vesta and Vesta trine Vx.

Leo Syrinx conjunct Sun both ways (0-2 orb)

A has Pan's antiscion Philia-ASC CONJ B's Sun
Philia-ASC SEXT B's Pan
Syrinx CONJ B's Philia (antiscion = SN) + Sun by 2
Drac Syrinx OPP B's Pan

posted November 18, 2013 04:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:

Would these two/three tie to Kundalini style stuff, too? You were talking about it but I probably missed if it came up otherwise or in relation to these.

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Yes, I think so.

The drunkenness of Bacchus/ Dionysos is for a reason, too. It was being used to get into an ecstatic trance to experience the feeling of bliss, induced by transcending your usual conscious state of mind. Also might relate to that feeling of life/ death (adrenaline-junkees come to mind as well).
however the purpose of it was growing spiritually, through the way of the body and altered conscious states.

However, of course this can become really really dangerous, if this ecstasy gets out of hand,t he balance is tipped, it can get very destructive, much like Kaali for example.

posted November 18, 2013 04:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:

Would it be something overflowing and/or spontaneous? Drunk with love and barely functioning in the world due to the focus on the love interest? What would it be?

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Drunk with love ... I love that. I think it is apt. However for it to be love, we would need Ariadne as well, as she is the one Dionysos loves.

posted November 18, 2013 04:31 AM            

Yes, well, there's the pair in contact with Valentine through the male side, and Bacchus sextile Ariadne and the pair in contact with Psyche and Eros both ways. Add on top some lunar contacts with Moon and nodes, and Karma conj Moon both ways in things I didn't mention.

Just the same old "But what's it all meeeeaaaan?" about it all, when I have little grasp on Dionysus beyond the "Sex, drugs and rock'n'roll" potentials. I think whatever mysteries had him tie to them, but unless it's just a "second chance love of a deeper sort" with that Dionysus/Bacchus-Valentine bond I'm not sure what it'd all do. It's pretty clear that with such aspects it's going to do a lot, but how would Valentine manifest in connection to the god/s? Opposition and conjunction, mirroring right from the start.

Like I said up there, (Bacchus conj B's Valentine) is sextile (Eros conj B's Ariadne).

Psyche conj B's NN-Dionysus, draconic Psyche opp B's Bacchus.

A's Valentine is 2 opp B's NN-Dionysus and trine Bacchus.

They pull a linking aspect pattern.

I was also kind of asking if the Nodes mixing into it on B's side would correlate with A's Ariadne then trining B's Moon, too, when A has their Moon trine their own Dionysus. The Draconics reflected it the other way around on top, practically every case.

posted November 18, 2013 05:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Drunk with love ... I love that. I think it is apt. However for it to be love, we would need Ariadne as well, as she is the one Dionysos loves.

Dionysos-Valentine on its own might be more sensually inclined, but not necessarily about love.

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If it's "just" that there's A's Bacchus sextile B's Ariadne - is there a difference in how it's felt or who feels it more?

Remember, that Bacchus is conjunct B's Valentine and Ariadne conjunct A's Eros. And that was still just the basics of it, other than for B having Dionysus on their NN and reflecting something of the role in any case.

A-Bacchus falls in love with B's Ariadne and since B's Valentine is conjunct the Bacchus that commits to the love, B responds more strongly in return straight off?

A's Eros fancies the pants off of B's Ariadne while their Psyche gets mixed into wild or sensuous parties with NN-Dionysus? Does Psyche dig the singing sensation with a hint of mystery about him?

And that still leaves out A's Medea-Valentine falling on B's South Node for another comfy-fixating contact or starting point. B's Eros is also 2 trine A's NN as well as having the square to A's Ariadne. As said, it's the nodes, this pair and Eros/Psyche that rotate along with the Valentine.

posted November 18, 2013 10:05 AM            

First of all I would like to say that I don`t think a sextile is all that strong, unless Bacchus or Ariadne is conjunct an angle, the nodal axis or maybe Moon (maybe also Sun).

If there is a conjunction to Saturn, Pluto, (SN), Karma and the 12th house cusp, there might be a karmic theme coming up.

To a lesser degree very tight conjunctions to the asteroids Spirit, Aura, Union, Destinn, Atropos or Moira (that which you have to face/ encounter) as well as the nameasteroids will apply to. (tight conjunctions= 2 degrees).

(this will also apply if Bacchus or/ and Ariadne is conjunct the Draconic luminaries, angles, SAturn, Pluto, Karma, and maybe also Venus or Mars).

However, of course if we look at a multitude at objects, we might find some connection just by coincidence. That is why I keep the orbs tight.

A sextile with about one degree orb will have its value; but without being hooked into the cornerstones of the chart, will just be of a subtle resonance.

However, IF there is a Doublewhammy with 2 degree orb average (for example: one aspect might be 3 degree, then the other would have to be one degree), this will most certainly be an important theme (besides it will show in the composite again).

"Remember, that Bacchus is conjunct B's Valentine and Ariadne conjunct A's Eros. And that was still just the basics of it, other than for B having Dionysus on their NN and reflecting something of the role in any case."
With the tie to the NN, it seems to be pulled into the heart of the chart, okay.

"A-Bacchus falls in love with B's Ariadne and since B's Valentine is conjunct the Bacchus that commits to the love, B responds more strongly in return straight off?"
Yes, I would see it that way. It also means that B feels a deep love for A, when A lets go of resraints and control, and listens to his instincts, allows his passions to emerge and gets immersed in them, most preferably their passion for Ariadne.

"A's Eros fancies the pants off of B's Ariadne while their Psyche gets mixed into wild or sensuous parties with NN-Dionysus? Does Psyche dig the singing sensation with a hint of mystery about him?"

It`s not really about the partying, but about the attaining of bliss, for the other part, yes Ithink, so.

posted November 18, 2013 04:42 PM            

I don't deal with orbs beyond 2 if I can at all help it, so these should all be active. I'm reluctant to list even the 2 degree trines or squares, those seeming a bit too far to qualify without their being a part of the mirroring patterns here.

A's Eros is conjunct the name asteroid for B in their own chart.
A has Spirit 2 trine own Psyche and draconic Spirit exact on B's NN-Dionysus. A's Spirit is on A's DC by ~1,5 and opp B's Sun. Spirit will tie to their DC-sides?

B has Ariadne conjunct Spirit conjunct A's Eros-Bname.
B has Eros conjunct the name asteroid for A in their own chart, 2 square A's Ariadne.

The mirroring or round and round merry-go-round:

A's Eros conj B's Ariadne and inconjunct B's NN-Dionysus.
A's Psyche is 2 conjunct B's NN-Dionysus
A's Bacchus is inconjunct B's NN-Dionysus, sext Ariadne

B's Eros is 2 trine A's NN and 2 square A's Ariadne.
B's Psyche is 30 degrees from A's Dionysus. See the earlier inconjunct aspect mirrored or complimented? Normally I wouldn't note it, but since it's the same aspect pair with the same asteroids?

B's angles aren't certain, but possibility is that they have Valentine square MC-IC. Thus A's Bacchus is square that MC-IC as well. A has Dionysus 2 square their own MC-IC, 2 conj their East Point. B's Bacchus could be ~2 conj B's own IC, so of great further importance apart from the Dion-NN. If B's chart is correct, his East Point is around his Valentine, A's Bacchus.

A and B have their Bacchus asteroids square. The angles are however uncertain so it's not sure if B has a double emphasis on the theme through his IC as well as the NN.

B has Valentine trine own Uranus-Pluto in any case. U-Pluto also square his Nodes so they seem to matter. A's Valentine squares B's Uranus-Pluto as it's conj B's SN. Harsh or transformative love, karmic skipped step stuff from before?

(B's Pluto is 1 antiscia their Bacchus so the nodal square heads there in solstice points. Otherwise Pluto-Bacchus are inconjunct. Pluto is 1,5 opp Saturn and Saturn's solstice point is 1 opp that Bacchus. A lot of growth or karma stuff with his Dionysus and Bacchus?)

A's Bacchus trines B's Uranus-Pluto. A's draconic Pluto trines B's NN-Dionysus. A's draconic DC is ~2 conj B's NN-Dionysus. A also has Ariadne-Lust trine Karma, Karma square Nodes. A's draconic Karma is opp their Dionysus.
A's Dionysus is conj B's draconic Uranus-Pluto squaring nodes.

At their own ends there is Valentine trine karmic objects squaring the native's Nodes on one side and on the other Ariadne-Lust trine karmic object squaring the nodes.

B's draconic Dionysus is naturally 0 Aries since it's on NN, so I don't know how much it'd matter if it's 2 conj A's MC. A's Draconic DC was conj B's Dionysus-NN, MC conj draconic Dionysus-NN.

A has Atropos conjunct Psyche but Atropos is 2,5-3 from B's Dionysus-NN. Draconic Atropos-Psyche still opp B's Bacchus. Atropos is on A's draconic DC.

B has Aura a degree before their Sun, Atropos-Telephus on and a degree after their Sun. Atropos-Sun conj A's ASC, opp A's Spirit. A's Telephus is on their AVX conjunct B's possible DC so it's ASC-DC reversed positions.

B's drac Atropos-Sun are on the solstice point of the natal position, A's ASC. B's Destinn-Atlantis are conj his drac Atropos-Sun, antiscion A's ASC as said.

A's draconic Atlantis is conj B's Uranus-Pluto and natal Destinn 1-4 conj B's Uranus-Pluto. A has Atlantis trine Destinn, B has them conjunct.

A has Pythia conj Destinn 0-2 degrees
square B's nodes. A's draconic Destinn is conjunct their Bacchus, B's Valentine. B's Pythia is on his SN, Destinn 1,5 conj A's SN. I guess it's past life karmic stuff in general with whatever mounting aspects, but the DionysusAriadne/ErosPsyche-themes I was more interested in specifically.

A's draconic DC conj natal Atropos-Psyche responds doubly so to B having Sun-Atropos energy on A's natal Ascendant already? Repeat with ASC conj B's Sun-Telephus and A-Telephus conj B's possible DC? If correct, B's draconic ASC would conjunct A's Pluto.

If B's angles hold, A's Moira-VX is conj B's ASC, sextile B's Mars. B's Moira conj A's Venus and 2 square A's Atropos.

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Thank you for whatever time you've already taken looking at the synastry and doubly so if you're still wading through any of the above. A has karmic and lunar contacts to their own Ariadne and Dionysus and B has a nodal contact to Dionysus and some karmic Pluto ties to Ariadne sextile that and Bacchus inconjunct it. Atropos seems to figure strongly in synastry through A's ASC and draconic DC as well as the fact that A's Atropos is 2-3 from B's NN and B's draconic Sun-Atropos is around 2 from A's South Node?

I never heard of people using Atropos that greatly for any kind of relationship synastry per se though, so if you have anything to say about what it's effects may be I'd appreciate it. To me it's cutting cords more so, but unless you're talking interactions where the specific goal IS to untangle things and get rid of karma, baggage or maybe even just bad habits, I'm not sure how Atropos would promote any relationship or interactions that would be LONG-term, if you get what I mean?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
First of all I would like to say that I don`t think a sextile is all that strong, unless Bacchus or Ariadne is conjunct an angle, the nodal axis or maybe Moon (maybe also Sun).

If there is a conjunction to Saturn, Pluto, (SN), Karma and the 12th house cusp, there might be a karmic theme coming up.

To a lesser degree very tight conjunctions to the asteroids Spirit, Aura, Union, Destinn, Atropos or Moira (that which you have to face/ encounter) as well as the nameasteroids will apply to. (tight conjunctions= 2 degrees).

(this will also apply if Bacchus or/ and Ariadne is conjunct the Draconic luminaries, angles, SAturn, Pluto, Karma, and maybe also Venus or Mars).

A sextile with about one degree orb will have its value; but without being hooked into the cornerstones of the chart, will just be of a subtle resonance.

"... B having Dionysus on their NN and reflecting something of the role in any case."
With the tie to the NN, it seems to be pulled into the heart of the chart, okay.

Yes, I would see it that way. It also means that B feels a deep love for A, when A lets go of resraints and control, and listens to his instincts, allows his passions to emerge and gets immersed in them, most preferably their passion for Ariadne.

"A's Eros fancies the pants off of B's Ariadne while their Psyche gets mixed into wild or sensuous parties with NN-Dionysus?"

It`s not really about the partying, but about the attaining of bliss, for the other part, yes Ithink, so.

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posted November 19, 2013 09:08 AM            

Explains why it took me ages to respond to my now boyfr. I didn't want to know about relationships, love and all the crap that goes with it.... but he persisted

Makes no aspect in Synastry( Bacchus/Dio./Ariadne) , But Vertex & Pomona exact sextile.!! Again suddenly I fell hard after Months of resisting!

Just noticed my progressed Ariadne is in exact conj. to His natal Bacchus & Psyche in Virgo!!!!

posted November 19, 2013 09:21 AM            

What makes a person Dionysian?

posted November 19, 2013 09:35 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I have
Dionysus in the 5th conjunct Neptune and Sun
Bacchus in the 4th conjunct Uranus (widish though)
Ariadne in the 2nd sextile Jupiter exact, square Uranus and Neptune

What makes a person Dionysian?

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