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I'm so cappy
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posted November 19, 2013 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wine is my favorite alcohol And I'm quite humorous.


Btw, tDionysus is conjunct my nBacchus almost exact. And tBacchus will soon reach my nDionysus. Seems like a good time to discuss them
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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.

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posted November 19, 2013 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Wine is my favorite alcohol And I'm quite humorous.


Btw, tDionysus is conjunct my nBacchus almost exact. And tBacchus will soon reach my nDionysus. Seems like a good time to discuss them



So then it's like a DW!!! If its in Sag. It has more emphasis I think! Good times ahead, I say!
My Bacchus is in Scorpio conj. Uranus exact, wine is the only Alcohol I drink Too!

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I'm so cappy
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posted November 19, 2013 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They're in Capricorn now. You have a good taste ^^

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posted November 19, 2013 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
They're in Capricorn now. You have a good taste ^^




So the winter solstice ( Yuletide) which is the birth Of Bacchus ( Dionysos) should always be significant for you.

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I'm so cappy
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posted November 19, 2013 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hummm...Maybe I'll start celebrating it instead of Christmas which I don't like anyway Unfortunately I have no pagan friends.

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posted November 19, 2013 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by olgatheo:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[b]Wine is my favorite alcohol And I'm quite humorous.


Btw, tDionysus is conjunct my nBacchus almost exact. And tBacchus will soon reach my nDionysus. Seems like a good time to discuss them



So then it's like a DW!!! If its in Sag. It has more emphasis I think! Good times ahead, I say!
My Bacchus is in Scorpio conj. Uranus exact, wine is the only Alcohol I drink Too! [/B][/QUOTE]


I once read that apparently the asteroid likes spending a lot time in SAgittarius (probably due to some retogradation), more so than in other signs.

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posted November 19, 2013 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I didn't know that.

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posted November 19, 2013 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for olgatheo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I once read that apparently the asteroid likes spending a lot time in SAgittarius (probably due to some retogradation), more so than in other signs.

I didn't know that !!! Yuletide, great emphasis to remember what the year bought you, be grateful for what you have, forgive those that wronged you, and make your list for your new year resolutions( I think that's when the origin came from , but not sure will have to check)!
Pluto / Uranus if it's square you should probably be changing alot of aspects in your life!

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posted November 19, 2013 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I have not much time at the moment, so I will just address the Atropos thing. I am still researching it myself, so maybe not rely on it too much.

However, Atropos means "what can`t be turned away/ avoided", it is something you have to face. Might be the end of something, or rather a transformation (cause every end leads to a new beginning, too), or just simply something you have to face and encounter.
In this respect it is deeply karmic.


Actually, wow. NN-Dionysus Sabian for the person?

A Famous Pianist Giving A Concert Performance
http://sabiansymbol.typepad.com/blain_bovee_sabian_symbol/2009/06/gemini-13-a-great-musician-at-his-piano-ii.html

My Dionysus Sabian:
On A Ship The Sailors Lower An Old Flag And Raise A New One


Ariadne degrees:
Telephone Lineman At Work Installling New Connections (syn conj my Eros)
A Sculptor At His Work (my Ariadne-Lust)


Bacchus degrees:
An Indian Weaving A Ceremonial Blanket
In A Hospital, The Children's Ward Is Filled With Toys (me, Bacchus-Kapteynia-Mentor)
http://sabiansymbol.typepad.com/blain_bovee_sabian_symbol/2009/04/aries-15-an-indian-weaving-a-blanket.html
(A time when things come together, mentions of tantra?)
http://sabiansymbol.typepad.com/blain_bovee_sabian_symbol/2012/01/capricorn-15-many-toys-in-the-childrens-ward-of-a-hospital.html
(Hospitality?)


Atropos degrees:
An Airplane Performing A Nose Dive (I'm still not really fazed)

The Constellations Of Stars Shine Brilliantly In The Night Sky (my ASC, their Sun-Atropos)

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posted November 20, 2013 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Grrh Windows H8 or Failfox making my tabs disappear when just try to move them.

Insert whatever I can still remember about saying I only today realized that I was doing a Dionysus-theme already when I posted about Alan Cumming's asteroids a week or so ago.


A's Semele (opp their Valentine is) 2 conj B's Dionysus-NN.
B has Semele (1 conj their Sun) on A's ASC.

Semele was the mortal mother of D. The trip to the underworld and bringing back the dead seems to be in part about either his mother Semele or Ariadne both. Dionysus' influence lifts both up into Olympos or among the gods, dead or not. Hermes is listed as a helper in stories about Dionysos' younger days and there is even mention of a nymph called Philia among his caretakers, but I doubt the 280 Philia that ties to other things necessarily relates to anything here.

A however has Philia conj ASC. B's Sun is 3 conj B!Philia (conj possible VX by 1). Philias 3 degrees conjunct.


"On the one hand, Dionysus was the god of wine, agriculture, and fertility of nature, who is also the patron god of the Greek stage. On the other hand, Dionysus also represents the outstanding features of mystery religions, such as those practiced at Eleusis: ecstasy, personal delivery from the daily world through physical or spiritual intoxication, and initiation into secret rites."

"The festival for Dionysus is in the spring when the leaves begin to reappear on the vine. It became one of the most important events of the year. It's focus became the theater. Most of the great greek plays were initially written to be performed at the feast of Dionysus. All who took part writers, actors, spectators were regarded as sacred servants of Dionysus during the festival."

I'd have thought that Apollo/n would have more to do with the theatre, but I stand corrected then. It explains a lot, actually, and fits in.

There's also the fact that it's women he "compels to leave their houses" or who go crazy or frenzied and all that. If you're female and run into him, you're likely to get influenced? Earlier times the Graces were his companions, so hello Aglaja to Keela again on that front.

I also find it interesting that Aura is listed among Dionysus' "loves" when B has Aura conj Semele conj their Sun. A less admirable outcome or actions by him with all that, but it's on the list. Oh boy creating "phalloi", too.
http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/DionysosLoves.html


Synastry contacts have

Bacchus opp Hermes
Nymphe conj Bacchus
Venus conj Nymphe
Hermes conj Rhea (opp A's Sun)

Ariadne-Lust opp Ampella
Ampella trine Lust
Ampella sext Nymphe
Nymphe conj drac Ampella (B's own Bacchus)

Anteros conj (Althaea/Aglaja opp Neptune), trine Cupido
Draconic Bacchus conj Althaea/Aglaja
Ceres-Aglaja-Pomona-Varuna-nameasteroid conj Anteros-Pan

Cupido sext Aphrodite

ASC opp drac Erigone
Drac Valentine conj Erigone


A has Dionysus opp Erigone natally. As for the Sabians, there were two building something new and two creative or artistic ones. The rest of the lovers or earlier/supportive contacts listed for comparison's sake on the theme front.

86, 69230, 163, 119, 198, 875, 47, 390, 1388, 1943

EDIT: http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/DionysosFavour.html#Ikarios

Above and other places there talk of Liber as an epithet/name for Dionysus, so I checked. 771 Libera is 1 conj B's Dionysus-NN so it may have some bearing through asteroids apparently just being freaky like that.

A's Libera 13.37 Libra opp A!Nymphe (and B's Bacchus)
A's Libera 1-2 trine B's Libera-NN/Dionysus

A's 11251 Icarion conj their Semele trine Libera

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posted November 20, 2013 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Drunk with love ... I love that. I think it is apt. However for it to be love, we would need Ariadne as well, as she is the one Dionysos loves.

Dionysos-Valentine on its own might be more sensually inclined, but not necessarily about love.


Yes. Absolutely. We (Fate and I) become FAST addicted to each other, and end up having to pull back once it grows too intense. We're just magnets. Too close, and BAM.

Bacchus-Bacchus conjunct in Scorpio.
His Valentine on my Bacchus-Eros-Destinn, square opposite his Eros-Venus.
His Dionysus trine my Valentine.
His Bacchus sextile my Venus.

Everything .5-1°.

Oddly, I have a similar but different magnetising experience with Hatter, but I think it's the BML-Sun/Pluto-Mars | BML-Moon. His BML exactly on my Priapus, too.

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posted November 22, 2013 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aha! I read this in the middle of a relationship stalemate type of thing and find that this pairing is very prominent in our synastry. Yes, it tells me to have a little faith, just as you said.

The conjunctions are:
My Ariadne conjunct his Bacchus, Saturn and Knight
His Dionysus (conjunct his Sun) conjuncts my Asc

Also a variety of other exact aspects with planets:
His Dionysus square my Venus
His Bacchus sextile my Mars
My Dionysus square his Mars and Pluto, trine his Jupiter
My Ariadne trine his Uranus

Ceri, would you say the combination of his Bacchus/Saturn conjunct my Ariadne makes it strongly karmic or would that indicate a hard lesson for me to learn? Or perhaps it's both those things. Any thoughts on the above?

Edit: We have a couple of other strong soulmate pairings too, discovered on LL in recent times
Penelope and Odysseus/Ulysses
Lancelot/Arthur and Guinevere

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posted November 24, 2013 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump for Ceri

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posted November 25, 2013 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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