posted October 18, 2012 05:18 PM            

Especially because it highlights the faith and hope that there is "love after love".

Ariadne fell in love with Theseus and helped him, leaving her family to be with him.
He on the other hand deserted her and left her behind on the island of Naxos.

While Ariadne is still mourning the loss of what she thought was true love, Dionysos/ Bacchus sees her and falls in love with her.
It takes some time for her, but eventually she returns his love and becomes his wife.

"I will never love again, and therefore in some sense I will never live again', cries the deserted Ariadne in Richard Strauss' opera. At the moment of her deepest despair, Dionysos is heard singing off-stage. She hails him as the longed-for messenger of death. But when he appears before her, she recognized in him her true lover for whom, transformed through her pain, she is now ready"
http://www.carnaval.com/ariadne/

They were bound in the HIEROS GAMOS, the sacred marriage.

To me this myth is personally so important because it shows that love can heal the wounds and that it`s never too late to love.

Oh boy I am so sappy tonight! lol

Anyway, loved what was said on love dove tarot about that myth:

"According to Ovid, Theseus abandoned Ariadne shortly thereafter during a pit stop on the island Naxos. This is where Dionysus found her — fast asleep. He fell in love with her and his love completely healed Ariadne’s broken heart. She was rewarded with true love and goddess status.

Ariadne is someone that all who have been betrayed in love can identify with. She is also an archetype that intelligent women who fail to be appreciated for their intellect will have affinity for. In the marriage between Ariadne and Dionysus, female intellect meets male chaos and ecstasy. In this union, you can expect something completely new to be born as neither of them are bound by tradition or gender roles."

"The Ariadne myth teaches us that life’s twists and turns can lead to something much better than we dared imagine. When a door closes, another one opens – sometimes during sleep when we allow the subconsciousness to inform us."
http://lovedovetarot.com/2012/02/03/tarot-healing-with-ariadne/

In my chart:

BACCHUS (roman name for Dionysos): 13°50 Scorpio
DIONYSOS: 20°12 Aquarius
ARIADNE: 8°25 Scorpio

Bacchus and Bacchus are almost conjunct; in fact though Ariadne is on the antiscion of Dionysos (the exact antiscion of Dionysos would be: 9°48 Scorpio - tight enough I think).

Bacchus: 3671
Dionysos: 2063
Ariadne: 43

posted October 18, 2012 05:32 PM            

Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward
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I think he was previously married, before he met Joanne

his ARIADNE squares her BACCHUS
her ARIADNE Quinkunx his DIONYSOS

JOhnny Cash - June Carter
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he also was previously married

his ARIADNE sextiles her BACCHUS

Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett-Brwoning
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his ARIADNE square her BACCHUS/DIONYSOS-conjunction on 25 Sagittarius exact

Humphrey Bogart - Lauren Bacall
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his ARIADNE trine her DIONYSOS exact

Friends of mine - he helped her heal from a previous abusive relationship big time
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his DIONYSOS conjunct her ARIADNE on 24 Gemini exact!

All aspects are well under 2 degrees. Also I didn`t bother to look for other important aspects like to Moon, nodal axis, Saturn, Pluto, Neptune etc.

Some might also occur in composite or Davison chart.

This pairing might not occur as frequently as other pairings in synastry, maybe because it is so specific (second chance, healing etc.), but I still love it.

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another pairing and myth I love is this of Vertumnus and Pomona.

Vertumnus is signified by the VERTEX, and there is actually an asteroid POMONA (32).

(Pomona is on the very important 8 degree of Pisces for me)

"The Roman god Vertumnus has roots in the Latin word vertere, to change, turn or spin. Vertumnus was a lesser god of gardens, fruit trees and seasons. Youthful and alluring, he had the power to change himself into various forms, just as the seed changes from root, to branch to leaf to fruit. Vertumnus used this ability in his avid pursuit of the goddess Pomona.

As the myth goes, Vertumnus fell in love with a strikingly beautiful goddess (in some versions nymph) named Pomona. Although she rejected all suitors, he fed his passion with the sight of her by changing his form and passing her gardens daily as a soldier, a harvester, a fisherman, etc. Ignoring him, Pomona remained devoted only to the cultivation of fruit trees. Vertumnus persisted and one day he altered his form to that of an old woman, greeted her with a passionate kiss, and proceeded to enter her gardens.

Vertumnus, (as the matron), talked to the goddess, attempting to convince her of the rewards of relationship and the dangers of rejecting love. The qualities and integrity of the youthful god Vertumnus were discussed. Finally, "she" told Pomona the story of a young man who cruelly took his own life after being spurned by his hard hearted love. He told of how the gods turned the rejecting woman into stone, but still Pomona was not persuaded.

Finally in exasperation, Vertumnus dropped his disguise and stood naked before Pomona in his true form. She thought she was seeing the sun immerge from behind the clouds and in the glorious light of Vertumnus, she opened her heart and reciprocated his love. Together still, they attend the gardens and fruit tress of the countryside.

The theme of this myth centers on a seemingly chance moment where an outstanding event occurs. To Pomona, it was like an epiphany, a sudden turn of fate, a radical awakening of perception. To Vertumnus, it was at first a well planned strategy, then finally an act of spontaneous desperation. Imagine his surprise when Pomona finally received him!

posted October 18, 2012 05:45 PM            

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posted October 18, 2012 10:04 PM            

I really identified with this story..

I checked my natal placements...

Adriana is conjunct my Asc 2 orbs
Dionysos is conjunct my venus 3 orbs H4
Bacchus is Leo but not on my stellim H6

Of course I had to check the aspects with me and the fishy... Why well cuz Im freaking crazy here...

His Bacchus conjuncts my Adriana(which is on his SN)
He has adriana conjunct his Sun/ Opps my Mars
His adriana trines my Venus
My adriana sextile his venus
venus/adriana double whammy.

In the composite Adriana is conjunct the MC
Baccus is conjunct the Asc
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I know he is some sort of soul mate to me, probably not a forever one... Maybe karmic.. IDK... But I can definitely feel the differences and I can feel the "soul mate" type of things going on between us...
Im beginning to think its going to be a never ending cycle...

posted October 19, 2012 02:30 AM            

Also in story of Italian 'She-bear' ... Stella Preziosa... 529 Preziosa

If you understand Italian, here's Mermaid Song, Stella preziosa. (wish I could find the song in English)...
[3:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGj7aIvfMiU

Lioness... sorry to see you hurting.

Ariadne for me is Virgo in intercepted 9th, near my MC. Have Bacchus opp in intercepted Pisces 3rd house. Will look up at astro tomorrow.

posted October 19, 2012 05:08 AM            

did you look up ADRIANA or ARIADNE?
The female in the sotry was Ariadne, though I like the name Adriana, too. lol

"Wow.. This story just really hit home for me.. "
I hoped it might resonate with a few.

"His Bacchus conjuncts my Adriana(which is on his SN)"
Adriana or Ariadne?
A conjunction of Bacchus and Ariadne would of course be pretty amazing. And on the nodal axis as well!

"I know he is some sort of soul mate to me, probably not a forever one"
Yeah, well I guess we would make a distinction between the spiritual and the physical realm here.

"Im beginning to think its going to be a never ending cycle..."
Yes. Dionysos was also a cyclic God, just like Adonis myth exemplified the cycles as well.

"We both pulled away... needing space..
But we still talk just about everyday..
Go figure!!"
I am so sorry to hear that. But as long as you are still talking to each other, all is not lost.
It`s not easy to be so naked (soulwise) and vulnerable with someone, especially not if you are proud and independent and have been prviously hurt.

posted October 19, 2012 05:10 AM            

I am glad the story resonated with you.

I don´t speak Italian, but actually knowing Latin helped a bit.
Not sure I understood it all right of course.

It`s so important to not lose faith in love and life.

posted October 19, 2012 12:49 PM            

The incident was more emotional no type of argument or anything.... It just shook us both up...
But we do have to maintain the friendship, no matter What....

Our composite is having its nn return, also coming up on the vertex.
Its a karmic time right now .

Lets just see how we handle this..

I think we are nearing the end...
Its hard to let go...

We talked and said we need to chill, and take a step back..
an hour later he calls me to talk..
The next day he calls me asking if i miss him.
The next day he called me to say good night.

Sighhhhhhhh....

posted October 19, 2012 05:52 PM            

there is no end, just a new cycle.

And yes, it sounds vERY karmic, this time I mean.

posted October 19, 2012 06:08 PM            

In the long run, he worked it out with me, and stood by me...
He did show me that he wouldnt jus walk away..
He showed me, HeS really a good man...

But it shook us both up..

He said he needs some space right now... Im ok with that.. Im giving him his time to recover...

But he asks for space, but calls me every day..

We are keeping it light at the moment...

posted October 19, 2012 06:10 PM            

I have Ariadne conjunct Jupiter (ruler of my 7th and 8th but found in my 12th) but with a 5 degree orb so I'm not sure how much that counts. Bacchus is conjunct Neptune (4 deg orb) in Sag in my 7th so there's some mutual reception there in any case.

posted October 19, 2012 06:45 PM            

that was one of the reasons to post this yesterday. I felt that here are quite some who need a gentle reminder to not lose their faith in love.

For me this myth has always resonated so strongly with me. I must have been 13 or 14 when I first encountered it. However it was in an astrological analysis made for me, that it suddenly appeared again, and when I was reading it, I actually cried, as it touched me so much, and I felt the truth and relevance of it for my life in such a strong way, it left me shaken.

The words I reacted so strongly to from this analysis was:

"The final card Corona was the story of abandoned Ariadne, how the myth ends is that after
working through the pain of Theseus's leaving, in the midst of her mourning her true soul
mate Dionysus materialised to crown her. Love and loss are intertwined, but it is only
through accepting the grief that true love can once again be experienced."

Especially that last sentence. I had the feeling that I needed to read that whole analysis (which was amazing btw) just for this sentence alone, this message to me. The two parts of it actualy, cause there is such an important stage in "accepting the grief", that`s the really hard part. To go there into the emotional underworld and say: Yes, I have loved, and I lost love. And I hurt. And there is no way to retrieve that lost love, no way to turn back the clock, no way to regain the lover I lost. And that is what hurts so much, that it is nearly damn imp, ossible to face.

And only after working through all that grief (and it is not really a linear thing, more like a spiral), the realization may hit, that the lost lover cannot be (and should not be) "reintegrated" into one`s life (letting go - the lesson for me with my fixed Moon and Venus-Pluto square a BIG lesson), but love itself is still alive.
One just can`t access it, as long as one is trying to cling to a love of the past, that really is just like a shadow in the underworld. WIthout substance, without depth,w ithout life, just a mere memory.

Gosh I am quite sappy again tonight.

posted October 19, 2012 07:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sorcha,

that was one of the reasons to post this yesterday. I felt that here are quite some who need a gentle reminder to not lose their faith in love.

For me this myth has always resonated so strongly with me. I must have been 13 or 14 when I first encountered it. However it was in an astrological analysis made for me, that it suddenly appeared again, and when I was reading it, I actually cried, as it touched me so much, and I felt the truth and relevance of it for my life in such a strong way, it left me shaken.

The words I reacted so strongly to from this analysis was:

"The final card Corona was the story of abandoned Ariadne, how the myth ends is that after
working through the pain of Theseus's leaving, in the midst of her mourning her true soul
mate Dionysus materialised to crown her. Love and loss are intertwined, but it is only
through accepting the grief that true love can once again be experienced."

Especially that last sentence. I had the feeling that I needed to read that whole analysis (which was amazing btw) just for this sentence alone, this message to me. The two parts of it actualy, cause there is such an important stage in "accepting the grief", that`s the really hard part. To go there into the emotional underworld and say: Yes, I have loved, and I lost love. And I hurt. And there is no way to retrieve that lost love, no way to turn back the clock, no way to regain the lover I lost. And that is what hurts so much, that it is nearly damn imp, ossible to face.

And only after working through all that grief (and it is not really a linear thing, more like a spiral), the realization may hit, that the lost lover cannot be (and should not be) "reintegrated" into one`s life (letting go - the lesson for me with my fixed Moon and Venus-Pluto square a BIG lesson), but love itself is still alive.
One just can`t access it, as long as one is trying to cling to a love of the past, that really is just like a shadow in the underworld. WIthout substance, without depth,w ithout life, just a mere memory.

Gosh I am quite sappy again tonight.

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I have a fixed Moon in Taurus (in H12) and Venus square Pluto as well so I can definitely relate. Letting go and moving forward is *not* my strong suit and when I fall in love I really fall in love and commit. This was very timely for me and after having a really big cry and releasing session with myself last night I feel some weight has left my body (though not all). When I read this today, I thought how pertinent it was to my own life - the love, the loss of hope and the feelings of betrayal - so thanks for posting it.

The passage you quoted resonates with me too and it's true that you really do need to release grief in order to move on. I think so many people just live forever with grief in their hearts, pushed way down and they busy themselves with other things so they don't have to face it. My Taurus Moon really dislikes the discomfort of sitting in that grief and processing it but I have to keep telling myself that in the end it will serve a purpose and maybe one day there will be a real and lasting love in my life. The older you get (I'm 36) the harder it is to believe that but I keep hoping it's true.

posted October 19, 2012 08:05 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lioness,

I keep my fingers crossed for you that you`ll make it. But the fact hat you stood it through, and that you are still in contact, is a good sign imo.
Maybe a sign of another deepening of the connection, though it has to be seein if it can be maintained in every day life, of course.

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Moving on...

I really like this myth more so than the other myths out there...
It really fit my life.. It fits with what I go through...

posted October 19, 2012 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Unfortunately there is no Theseus. I already looked of course.

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AHA!! But there is! A few years ago I became interested in Theseus in relation to USA Chart and politics.

After much research, I believe it is 'misspelled' on the asteroid list.

32532 Thereus = Theseus!

posted October 20, 2012 01:51 AM            

First the composite

32532 Thereus = Theseus!

Thereus exactly conjunct Chiron in H4

Synastry
His Thereus opps my Mars
in my H12.

posted October 20, 2012 02:39 AM            

"That's all we really know about
Thereus...that he was killed by
Theseus, who also killed
several other Centaurs
including Bienor, and that he
had a thing for bears. Not much of a myth to draw upon."
www.zanestein.com/thereus.htm

posted October 20, 2012 05:44 AM            

Darkstar astrology has an article on Thereus
http://darkstarastrology.com/asteroid-thereus/

For the same reason I have grown doubtful about the use of INANNEN as a form for INANNA, yes it`s close, but I don´t find it satisfying to be honest Especially since there are the asteroids ISHTAR, ASTARTE, APHRODITE and Venus of course, all being versions of the same goddess paired with ADONIS.
(Interestingly I have recently read quite often that the link of ADONIS to APHRODITE/Venus was a mythological blueprint for the sacred marriage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Not sure this is true. But it certainly has resemblance with the cyclic nature of love, death and rebirth).

Now for abandonment you could also look up MEDEA (212) and JASON (6063).
She helped him, even killed for him, because she was in love with him; they had two children and then he abandoned her to marry a princess that would help him climb the social ladder.
Medea lost her mind, killed their children and sent his bride a poisoned bridal dress, so his bride died as well.

It is a very dark, happy end less myth.

In synastric terms MEDEA might also signify where you fall madly insanely and passionately in love to the point that you can`t see your loved ones true nature and will sacrifice everything for the sake of this passion; but once abandoned this love might turn into equally strong hate and a wish for revenge.

In my chart Medea is on 1 sagittarius in 12th house conjunct AMOR by one degree.

EDIT
Of course MEDEA is also an asteroid related to witchcraft

"Astrologically, Medea seems to indicate strong (or absent) emotions, love-hate relationships, scheming, involvement or feeling involved in something, misandry (hatred of men), playing around, to be or try to be attractive or "bewitching," cosmetics, witchcraft and the occult.." http://markandrewholmes.com/medea.html

posted October 20, 2012 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, I`ve seen Thereus as well, but he`s not the same as Theseus, and it seemed a bit reaching to me, esp. since there exists a different entity with that name.

Darkstar astrology has an article on Thereus
http://darkstarastrology.com/asteroid-thereus/

Now for abandonment you could also look up MEDEA (212) and JASON (6063).
She helped him, even killed for him, because she was in love with him; they had two children and then he abandoned her to marry a princess that would help him climb the social ladder.
Medea lost her mind, killed their children and sent his bride a poisoned bridal dress, so his bride died as well.

It is a very dark, happy end less myth.

In synastric terms MEDEA might also signify where you fall madly insanely and passionately in love to the point that you can`t see your loved ones true nature and will sacrifice everything for the sake of this passion; but once abandoned this love might turn into equally strong hate and a wish for revenge.

In my chart Medea is on 1 sagittarius in 12th house conjunct AMOR by one degree.

EDIT
Of course MEDEA is also an asteroid related to witchcraft

"Astrologically, Medea seems to indicate strong (or absent) emotions, love-hate relationships, scheming, involvement or feeling involved in something, misandry (hatred of men), playing around, to be or try to be attractive or "bewitching," cosmetics, witchcraft and the occult.." http://markandrewholmes.com/medea.html

LLOL Just read up on Medea, seems she became the stepmother of THESEUS.

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