posted December 20, 2012 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Jovian:
"Linda Jones, I suspect you as well have been witnessing Jesus teachings. "

...I had initially included the same sentiment in my posting above...but then edited to make my statement more generic. ...It felt quite apparent to me, upon first encountering you here, that this was so.

As Iq said, there are certainly thousands and thousands who were impacted directly, either by Jesus himself, or by his first disciples.

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Yes Jovian, you had said this in one of my threads. At that time I remember feeling very humbled by what you said and couldn't quite grasp how/why you felt it.

But now after understanding my initial sense of you also, I get it, because I have the same feeling about you (and Ceri). But if you hadn't first mentioned it, I probably wouldn't have started thinking so soon about this connection ("knowingness") with Jesus.

So thank you! And in light of what iQ said, several of us may have known each other back then.

*EDIT* Sorry to hijack your thread for a bit with my Draco aspects. I got carried away doing it for the first time

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted December 20, 2012 05:16 PM            

"And with his NN in Scorpio, can we say Kundalini and spiritual sex?

LOL Same for your Apostel/Vesta conjunct her Yeshuhua, I would think "

You said it... NEPTUNE /EROS /NNODE exact conjunction in Composite. lol. Other things in the way, though. ...I'm learning and growing a lot just processing the energies.

posted December 20, 2012 05:45 PM            

And I'm so happy for you! Your tremendous insight and generosity of spirit will help you to achieve that balance, of that there's no doubt in my mind.

Also, just wanted to say I'm really glad to have met you here!

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted December 20, 2012 06:01 PM            

I too am glad your daughter is ok now.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted December 20, 2012 11:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Pluto cap@8.57
Osiris cap@9.26<<--Isis who is Osiris counterpart, is conjunct sun/juno

Jupiter gemini@8.57rx, very good in retrograde!
falls on fixed star Aldebaran gemini@9.58

Tyche scorp@8.25--Good Luck
Kaali scorp@9.40

hmm, all inconjunct?

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Indeed, a Yod, with Jupiter at apex. Also Saturn is conjunct that Tyche/Kaali.

Ha-- That asteroid "Christian" also at the NNode. Let's hope it means an ideal expression of it.

posted December 21, 2012 12:31 AM            

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Ceri, As you suggested, I looked up Draco charts also--

~ Mine:
Dr Mary sextiles Dr Jessie (2 deg)
Dr Mary quincunxes Dr Yeshuhua (exact)
These aspects are the same as in Tropical.

~ His:
Dr Apostel sextiles Dr Karma -- exact -- by 1 min!!
Dr Apostel squares Dr. Maria (2 deg)
These aspects are also the same asin Tropical.

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posted December 21, 2012 12:47 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
When it all falls into place, magic happens

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posted December 21, 2012 05:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Jovian:
Aspects between your planets/asteroids/angles in Draconic remain the same as tropical. (At least I don't *think* they ever change. Ceridwen must know for sure.) It is only the "outer wheel" which shifts, based on the distance your tropical NNode shifts to reorient it at that 0 degree "Aries Point," thus shifting the signs and degrees of your chart placements along with it.

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This is interesting because I'd thought the same. However,I found that some aspects do change. Example, the Mary/Jessie trine in synastry in Tropical disappears in the Draconic. Some new aspects between asteroids appear (Iposted some on page 1)

Also, in the Tropical we don't have any Moon-Saturn contacts, but we do in the Draconic. His Dr Saturn trines my Dr Moon. But my Dr Satrun squares his Dr Moon.

This made me wonder if in a past life I'd been emotionally repressive toward him ... along with the other negative Saturn qualities. Because I know that in this life I'm the exact opposite of a negative Saturn person.

So I'm curious about this as well. I'm assuming orbs for Draco charts are the same as for natals.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted December 22, 2012 04:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
This is interesting because I'd thought the same. However,I found that some aspects do change. Example, the Mary/Jessie trine in synastry in Tropical disappears in the Draconic. Some new aspects between asteroids appear (Iposted some on page 1)

Also, in the Tropical we don't have any Moon-Saturn contacts, but we do in the Draconic. His Dr Saturn trines my Dr Moon. But my Dr Satrun squares his Dr Moon.

This made me wonder if in a past life I'd been emotionally repressive toward him ... along with the other negative Saturn qualities. Because I know that in this life I'm the exact opposite of a negative Saturn person.

So I'm curious about this as well. I'm assuming orbs for Draco charts are the same as for natals.

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The natal aspects stay the same, the synastric ones changes, unless you have the same nodal axis.

IQ suggests a 2 degree orb on his site, and I agree with him. Though I might glance at a 3 degree conjunction as well.

Personally I only or mainly consider conjunctions and oppositions from Draco to tropical, though I consider all aspects from Draco to Draco.

posted December 22, 2012 07:02 AM            

Mine is conjunct YESHUA by one degree.

With JERUSALEM being opposite Saturn.

his APOSTEL is quinkunx MARY exact.
JERUSALEM is on 29 Taurus for him (Pleidades - the weeping sisters) sextile JESSIE On 28 Pisces, near his ASC.
Looks like the ending of a cycle.

In the Davision YESHUA is on 29 Aquarius (a occult and oftentimes sacrificial degree)

JERUSALEM falls onto the Supergalacit centre on 2 Libra trine APOSTEL on 3 Gemini with the Sabian of "Holly And Mistletoe Reawaken Old Memories Of Christmas"

WHOA!

JESSIE and MARY are conjunct (like in composite), with Mary being on the same degree as the DESC - 11 Cancer.
When we met Transiting KARMA was on 10 Cancer

11 Cancer
"A Chinese Woman Nursing A Baby Whose Aura Reveals Him To Be The Reincarnation Of A Great Teacher"

And JESSIE On the Sabian of 9 cancer:
"A Large Diamond In The First Stages Of The Cutting Process"

Interestingly MARY is exact sextile Venus on 11 Taurus, and jESSIE exact sextile Mars on 9 Taurus.

In my natal chart I have MARY conjunct JESSIE, and his MARIA is conjunct my JESSIE and MARY, while he has an opposition of JESSIE-YESHUA along his ASC-DESC-axis, with YESHUA being conjunct Saturn exact. And MARY is almost conjunct JESSIE, and exactly on its solstice point.

When we met my progressed JESSIE/MARY-conjunction was conjunct my natal Valentine.

(and trine his natal JESSIE and sextile his pr YESHUA

Another interesting point:
when we met pr composite had an exact conjunction of Sun and Venus on 13 Sagittarius- the Egyptian sabian. lol)

TR MARY on 13 Capricorn was conjunct Davison ASC on 11 Cap and D-KARMA on 14 Cp.
At the same time
TR KARMA On 10 Cancer was conjunct Davison DESC on 11 Cancer and D-MARY on 11 Cancer and D-JESSIE on 9 Cancer

Tr JESSIE was conjunct my SN (and his ISIS) and quinkunx Tr MARY; and at the same time it made a YOD (Tr Mary-sextile, Tr Jessie-quinkunx) with our Jessie/Mary-Maria-conjunction on 9-11 Scorpio)

posted December 22, 2012 09:39 AM            

there are other ways to interprete Draconic charts, but I will consider them as past life charts mainly in this thread.

"Mine:
Dr Mary sextiles Dr Jessie (2 deg)
Dr Mary quincunxes Dr Yeshuhua (exact)"
I would consider them as confirmation, but on their own sextile and quinkunx do not make a very strong combination. Though it is a DW here, so the resonance definitely is there.

" However in Draco there's some new connections in synastry--"
These might relate DIRECTLY to a past life, especially in terms of emotional impact.

"~ My Dr Magdalena quincunxes his Dr Jessie (exact-18 mins) ..."
Hmm, there might be a contact, but the quinkunx is not a very "direct" aspect.

"~ My Dr Jessie conjuncts his Dr Desc (1 deg)
~ My Dr Mary sextiles his Dr Desc (1 deg)"
This is definitely important, gvien the conjunction to the DESC and trine to ASC. Which element is emphasized?

"~ My Dr Maria squares his Dr Yeshuhua (exact)."
Intense, but bumpy.

"Additional synastry aspects in Draco--
~ My Dr Apostel trine his Dr Apostel (2 deg)--same in Tropical."
Aspects echoes are def. worth checking, cause they indicate that an old theme is carried over.
Often it will be different aspecs though. Like a conjunction in the Dracos might change into a sextile in the tropical or something like that.

"~ His Dr BML is trine my Dr Moon (exact)
~ My Dr BML is conjunct his Dr Venus (2 deg)"
Must have been an intense emotional and romantic connection.

"~ His Dr Saturn trines my Dr Moon (2 deg)
~ My Dr Saturn squares his Dr Moon (1 deg, 13 mins)--I don't like this at all!! It's a huge ouch!!"
Yes and no.
The trine actually might indicate the emotional glue.
The square of course is less than nice. And yes, I think it coulde very well be that you experienced some hurtful experiences with each other.

"Also, in synastry, can Draco charts be compared to Tropical charts. Example, my Tropical to his Draco and vice versa? Thanks
Yes.
Esp. conjunctions / oppositions.
And for past life analysis especially the exact or tight aspects to tropical Moon, Saturn, Pluto, SN, KARMA.
Or Draco Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC, MC, to theme asteroids in tropical chart.

Also of course the conjunctions with Amor, Valentine, Juno and Eros are always worth checking for love feelings being carried over from a past life line into the current incarnation.

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posted December 22, 2012 01:44 PM            

Taking a cue from your own aspects, I looked up Jerusalem in our charts--

~ My natal Jerusalem opposes my Sun (1 deg) and quincunxes my Asc (exact)

~ His natal Jerusalem trines his Desc. (exact) and trines my natal Moon (1 deg)

~ Composite Jerusalem is conjunct comp GC (2 deg) and comp Saturn (3 deg), and opposes comp. Sun. iQ had mentioned the Saturn/GC conjunction opposite Sun as an evolutionary aspect. Now i just noticed that Jerusalem is thrown in the mix.

These conjunctions (Jerusalem/GC/Saturn) form the apex of our composite kite involving Neptune, Juno/Vesta, and Sun (with loose conjunctions to Venus and Mercury).

In Draconic--

~ My Dr Jerusalem is quincunx my Dr Asc (exact)

~ His Dr Jerusalem trines his Dr Desc (exact)

~ His Dr Desc at 28.35 Cap is conjunct my Dr IC at 0.27 Aqu, and also conjunct my Dr Jessie at 29.38 Cap. I think these may be significant.

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"~ My Dr Jessie conjuncts his Dr Desc (1 deg)
~ My Dr Mary sextiles his Dr Desc (1 deg)"
This is definitely important, gvien the conjunction to the DESC and trine to ASC. Which element is emphasized?

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Water and earth. His Dr Desc is Cap and Dr Asc is Cancer. My Dr Mary is in water (Scorpio). Is the connection deeper with water and earth?

So the pic that is emerging is that his Dr Desc conjuncts my Dr IC/Jessie. And My Dr Mary trines his Dr Asc. by less than 1 deg.

Maybe this is not enough to echo our Nodal contacts with Mary/Jessie/Maria in the Tropical, but I'll keep looking as I've only just begun with Draco charts.

I still have to see the other connections you mentioned. Your entire post is important to me in terms of understanding with the help of my own aspects. So thanks again

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted December 22, 2012 06:21 PM            

Did you find these online? If so, would you mind sharing the link, if they're in English, lol.

I also have a question about the quincunx 'cause I'm unclear about the consensus from different sites. Mostly it is being considered more and more as a major aspect. Do you agree?

Also, somewhere I read that you think it is a "mystical" aspect. I wonder if you could expand on that?

Thanks, Ceri.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted December 22, 2012 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Jovian:
Hi Linda. I guess I should have specified that I was referring to one's natal charts, and not synastry.

Hmm. If it is the case that you were indeed emotionally repressive toward him in the past, do you think he responds to you from your current M.O, or unconsciously as if he is dealing with your past personality? Do you think he feels comfortable freely expressing his emotional underbelly with you?

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Yeah, I get that now Just wasn't sure earlier.

Hmm ... about his response to me ... he thinks I'm the MOST open, generous, and kind person he's ever met, bar none. And he's bared his soul to me, the way in which it would be difficult for a woman to do, much less a man.

So I don't think his response to me is based on a memory of any past repression we may have had. Because he says I manage to draw out his inner most feelings, the way no one else can.

Thanks for making me think about this, Jovian

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted December 23, 2012 12:46 PM            

"In the sense that the signs are more unfamiliar with each other, it`s true (they have nothing in common, neither element nor modality). But since they do not really lock horns, it might fly under the radar.

it takes a conscious effort to bring the both together, but since they are so different from each other, there is a lot to learn. And I guess that is when the magic sets in.
You just have to come to this point.

While the opposition or square are sometimes quite loud aspects, the quinkunx often is like the constant nagging voice in the back of your mind, which can get enervating over time, if you don´t adjust certain behaviour. If you do however, you might gain insights into two different worlds, signified by the signbackground."

I think I get it re: my synastry aspects.

And by getting it I make your work easier, 'cause you don't have to spend time explaining it yet again. See how that works? My making your work easier? And you're welcome!

Srsly though, I've been interested in this aspect for some time now and wasn't able to "get" it from diff. sites, most of which explained it as having negative effects. What you said above finally "clicks" in my head. So thanks!

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.