posted April 12, 2013 12:13 AM            

I'm gonna first describe the dream and then share the astrology I "discovered."

A few months after I met my TF, among many dreams I had about him (and still do), there were two in which I saw snakes.

In the first dream I saw a somewhat large snake with its head upright (dunno what kind of snake it was).

About two weeks after this dream I had another, more extensive dream … and this is the one I’m seeking an answer to—

I saw myself traveling by bus, which had other passengers also. At one point the bus stops and the door opens. A man dressed in loose fitting, white clothes (could be Indian, not sure), enters the bus. He’s holding a rattlesnake in his hands (somehow I know it’s a rattlesnake). He begins to show the snake to the passengers by holding it out … one hand at the snake’s head/neck and his other hand on the body of the snake. The other passengers make ooh sounds. I continue sitting quietly in my seat watching all this. Then the man turns to me and brings the snake closer to my face for me to look at it. When I look at the snake I realize that the snake is my TF. At the same time the snake bites me at the base of my throat. I think to my self, “Oh my gosh! That’s—“ (insert TF’s name) “who just bit me.” Then I notice that there’s no bleeding, no evidence of the bite (even though I distinctly felt the bite), and also that I didn’t feel any pain or fear. The man holding the snake just continues to look at me silently. The dream ends. When I awakened I remember thinking, “Wow, I was not scared even one bit about the snake.”

Other than this I’ve never seen snakes, either in my dreams or in real life … at least none that I recall.

Prior to having these 2 dreams, my Mom had commented on my relationship with my TF, by metaphorically likening it to two cobras mating. At that time, I had no idea about Kundalini (had only heard the term without understanding it’s meaning), or twin flames (hadn’t even heard about the concept), and neither had my Mom (though I think she knew more about Kundalini than I did). So it’s interesting that she made this observation.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 12, 2013 12:20 AM            

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If, even in a dream, one who practices Siddha Yoga is bitten by a snake, that, too, is a sure sign of liberation. But in meditation it is particularly auspicious.

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It is after reading this quote that I was reminded of my dreams. Elsewhere I’ve read that seeing snakes in dreams is related to Kundalini awakening. So the first dream could indicate my Kundalini awakening symptoms.

However, what does it mean when the man you’re involved with, and think is your TF, is the snake that bites you in the dream?

I think the bus journey is probably symbolic of my life’s journey … a slow awakening, since it’s a bus and not a 747, or a Concorde, LOL. [Heck, it’s not even a train].

But does the rest of the dream mean that the one I think is my TF, is really so?

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 12, 2013 12:26 AM            

When I use his birthplace as the reference place to calculate the composite (because that is where we met and also where the relationship has been unfolding), the composite Ascendant is at 13 Ari 21, the sabian for which is … A serpent coiling near a Man and Woman. From what I understand this symbolism is a possible representation of twin flames?

Becoming more curious and with an inner feeling that … aside from the Asc/Desc axis, the composite nodal axis (which is in the 1st/7th hse, at a 6 degree conjunction to the Asc/Desc axis), would somehow also be linked in some way … I looked to see if there was an asteroid called serpent.

[Composite SN is at 19 Ari … so 6 degrees conjunct the Asc at 13 Ari].

I found Serpe conjunct the composite South Node, along with Ganesha, asteroid Moons, and Rudra (or Lord Shiva who is depicted wearing snakes around His neck and Moon in His hair).

These are the placements in the composite—

Asc—13 Ari 21
Moon (planet)—12 Ari 17
South Node—19 Ari 38
Ganesha—19 Ari 48
Rudra—20 Ari 36
Moons (asteroid)—21 Ari 29
Serpe—21 Ari 48

[In my natal I have (planet) Moon conjunct Rudra.

In synastry, my Moon/Rudra are conjunct his SN/Moons (asteroid).

His natal Rudra is conjunct my SN and widely conjunct my asteroid Moons (4 degrees).

In the composite, the asteroid Moons/SN conjunction alone, I think, indicates our past emotional involvement that I’ve seen in my past life recall. Planet Moon at 12 Ari is at a wide conjunction to the SN (7 degrees).

I’m now wondering whether the composite Asc at 13 Ari 21, conjunct Moon at 12 Ari … and SN at 19 Ari, conjunct asteroid Serpe in 1st hse (along with Rudra/Moons/Ganesha), as well as my snake dream … are all clues that he is my TF?

I would really, really appreciate your insight and analysis on this. Thank you so much for your time and patience.
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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 12, 2013 12:34 AM            

Again, thank you so very much.

In our First Meeting chart-->

(1) Serpe is in the 8th house (Tau)-->
Trine Shiva in Vir, 12th hse (1 deg)
Exactly sextile asteroid Moons in Cancer, 10th hse
Conjunct my natal Moon/Rudra/his SN and
Sextile his natal Asc (less than 2 degrees)

(2) Kaali is at 29 Cap 17, in 5th hse-->
The degree of Light or Dark siders?

Kaali is exactly opposite Mercury in cancer. Kaali/Merc aspects in synastry may possibly be connected with Kundalini awakening symptoms. Meaning, Merc/Kaali aspects possibly serve as a trigger for Kundalini symptoms.

(3) Shiva is in 12th hse, Vir-->
Exactly conjunct my natal Shiva and his natal Desc.

(4) Asc is at 21 Vir 32-->
Sabian-- A ROYAL COAT OF ARMS ENRICHED WITH PRECIOUS STONES. Keywords—Nobility, Raja Yoga

First Meeting Asc is exactly conjunct my natal NN and trine his natal SN (4 deg)

(5) SN is at 28 Vir 51-->
Sabian-- A SEEKER AFTER OCCULT KNOWLEDGE IS READING AN ANCIENT SCROLL WHICH ILLUMINES HIS MIND. Keywords—Root Knowledge

First meeting SN is conjunct first meeting Asc by 7 deg ... similar to composite in which SN is conjunct Asc by 6 deg.

(6) Desc at 21 Pis 32-->
Sabian--> A PROPHET CARRYING TABLETS OF THE NEW LAW IS WALKING DOWN THE SLOPES OF MOUNT SINAI. Keywords—revealed knowledge, divine revelation. Reference to Moses coming down the mountain with tablets.

(7) NN at 28 Pis 51-->
Sabian-- LIGHT BREAKING INTO MANY COLORS THROUGH A PRISM. Keywords—Unity, Multi-Unity, Relationship between the One and the Many.

(8) BML at 23 Vir 31, is conjunct Asc (2 deg)-->
Sabian-- MARY AND HER LITTLE LAMB. Keyword—Innocence. Key message-- the individual whose innocence is fixed upon spiritual realization should genuinely radiate INNOCENCE. Jesus entreats his disciples to be like “little children.”

BML is also associated with Kundalini awakening.
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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 12, 2013 10:27 AM            

On the Muktananda quote, I've never practised yoga and don't know what Siddha one would be in particular, but have been bitten by snakes some 2-3 times in my dreams from what I recall. I like snakes IRL and don't recall being panicky or anything with the bites, though figured I might need an antidote in one case from what I recall. Keeping calm to avoid the blood or plasma or whatever from moving the venom along faster is suggested as a good thing for snakebites, anyway.

I have 2211 Hanuman 6' conj my ASC, tying to Shiva in its way. Mahakala ~1,5 degrees conj ASC, Tara/Ganesa some 2,5 degrees away from ASC next to that and Parvati 1-1,5 sextile ASC. Kaali ~1,5 conj Venus.

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
"If, even in a dream, one who practices Siddha Yoga is bitten by a snake, that, too, is a sure sign of liberation. But in meditation it is particularly auspicious."

It is after reading this quote that I was reminded of my dreams. Elsewhere I’ve read that seeing snakes in dreams is related to Kundalini awakening.

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... composite Ascendant is at 13 Ari 21, the Sabian for which is … A serpent coiling near a Man and Woman. From what I understand this symbolism is a possible representation of twin flames?

[Composite SN is at 19 Ari … so 6 degrees conjunct the Asc at 13 Ari].

I found Serpe conjunct the composite South Node, along with Ganesha, asteroid Moons, and Rudra (or Lord Shiva who is depicted wearing snakes around His neck and Moon in His hair).

In synastry, my Moon/Rudra are conjunct his SN/Moons (asteroid).

His natal Rudra is conjunct my SN and widely conjunct my asteroid Moons (4 degrees).

In the composite, the asteroid Moons/SN conjunction alone, I think, indicates our past emotional involvement that I’ve seen in my past life recall. Planet Moon at 12 Ari is at a wide conjunction to the SN (7 degrees).

I’m now wondering whether the composite Asc at 13 Ari 21, conjunct Moon at 12 Ari … and SN at 19 Ari, conjunct asteroid Serpe in 1st hse (along with Rudra/Moons/Ganesha), as well as my snake dream … are all clues that he is my TF?

I would really, really appreciate your insight and analysis on this. Thank you so much for your time and patience.

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Rudra-SN conjunctions probably point at something from past lives if going by popular beliefs. Practise of yoga or whatever. Since I recently picked up 22817 Shankar as another Shiva-related one, have you checked what that (or even Mahakala or the bit less related Hanuman) do in your charts? Or the female side?

I think the ever-ominous "they" suggest that aspects to the Nodes should be very close, some even saying anything other than exact isn't valid. 7 degrees seems quite wide for Nodal contacts if there isn't a stellium chain going on otherwise.

From what I've read the popular opinion is that Twin Flames wouldn't have had that much interaction in past lives, but there are many views on that as well. I'd be asking more so why you would specifically need it to be named a Twin Flame relationship if it's otherwise working fine and is meaningful to you? If it's special, does it need some superspecial name tag on it to make sure it really is special? With some people it may even possibly be so that others will understand how big and wowy and important it really must be, though I'm not saying that's at all the case with you. If you see it continuing and developing and maybe the two of you even doing something interesting together in your life, I figure it's a good enough a relationship whatever you'd call it. I'm open to checking TF or other aspects between people, but if you know it's important (to you or your development if nothing else), isn't that the main thing you need?

Your bottom comment notes that your Shiva is already conj his DC in any case, and you met during your Siva return then, I guess. The first meeting ASC at your NN also probably suggests whatever growth possibilities for you, and with the SNs tying to Rudra and DC to Siva otherwise, presumably something based on the Indian or Hindu sides of things. I wouldn't know, just what it looks like.

I think Ganesha was also good for beginnings, and he's Parvati's offspring in any case, so he ties to the same things in his own way. As for the dream, rattlesnakes make a lot of noise as well, so maybe that's an additional thing about the already mentioned throat or fifth chakra thing? Dreams are inner knowledge, so likely to reflect what you think or feel about things, in subconscious forms or imagery, so go from that with your dream.

Asteroid 7464 Vipera also exists, but may not tie directly to such things given different associations by name. Eris I think is the main thing I have at 13 Aries, so going by that it's either an independent woman thing or discord on any twin flame sides at my end, but we'll see when it trines my Valentine, anyway.

posted April 12, 2013 01:58 PM            

It is part of a GT to Saturn in 16 Cap and Moon in 16 Taurus (conj. Sun on 13 Tau).

posted April 14, 2013 01:09 AM            

I’m glad I started this thread and asked the questions I did because it has given me such valuable information.

So I’ll come back to write more.
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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 14, 2013 01:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Fromm what I've read the popular opinion is that Twin Flames wouldn't have had that much interaction in past lives, but there are many views on that as well. I'd be asking more so why you would specifically need it to be named a Twin Flame relationship if it's otherwise working fine and is meaningful to you? If it's special, does it need some superspecial name tag on it to make sure it really is special? With some people it may even possibly be so that others will understand how big and wowy and important it really must be, though I'm not saying that's at all the case with you. If you see it continuing and developing and maybe the two of you even doing something interesting together in your life, I figure it's a good enough a relationship whatever you'd call it. I'm open to checking TF or other aspects between people, but if you know it's important (to you or your development if nothing else), isn't that the main thing you need?

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Thanks for taking the time to read everything I wrote. I’ll reply to your post in a bit. For now I just wanted to respond to a portion of your post by clarifying that I’m not really interested in putting any label on my relationship as nothing I can think of can satisfactorily define it. Words like boyfriend, squeeze, other half, etc. are just too trite, imo. I’m actually uncomfortable even with the term Twin Flame (just because it’s bandied about so carelessly) and would prefer something with the term Kundalini in it, as that’s what it is about, at least for me. But since there’s no other way to reference it atm, I decided to use it.

Having said that, what I’m really interested in is the concept of Twin Flame, because of its spiritual significance … without which I know it would have no special meaning for me.

And you’re right … I’m not looking to wow anyone either. First, because seeking to wow others is too “outwardly directed”, for me.

Second, I consider any and all responses to be mere data points in the large picture of Truth … data points that can be included or excluded once the larger picture emerges. It is the larger Truth that I’m after, as my sig implies

Last, and most important, I want to be armed with as much knowledge as possible as far as Kundalini experiences are concerned. My relationship is an important part of my Kundalini experiences, and so assumes significance in that regard.

A few months ago I began to document my Kundalini experiences in this thread—
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004630.html

As is obvious from the thread, I’d begun having these awakening symptoms and experiences long before I knew what was actually happening.

By now I’ve read enough to know that the symptoms need careful monitoring, lest the energy creates absolute havoc. By writing that thread I’m seeking guidance, trying to understand and monitor what’s happening so that I do not fear the symptoms, and also hopefully benefit others who are going through something similar.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 14, 2013 01:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
From what I've read the popular opinion is that Twin Flames wouldn't have had that much interaction in past lives, but there are many views on that as well.

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I admit I haven’t read all that much at all on Twin Flames (I’ve been more immersed in the Kundalini subject), so I could be completely off base about what I’m about to say. Nevertheless … from my intuitive understanding, I think of all life in the 3rd dimension as the result of Karma.

Therefore, Twin Flames can also have Karmic obligations to fulfill prior to such point in time when they can unite with full awareness of each other … meaning, both must be fully aware of, and recognize who the other is, before they can fully unite.

Such awareness necessarily requires a dimensionally shifted consciousness, in other words, an activated Kundalini.

However, I think it important that the Kundalini Shakti be activated in both persons … at least activated enough for the two to recognize each as being the mirror or counterpart of the other.

I think that if only one or the other is aware, their union cannot be “complete” [complete meaning their masculine and feminine energies blending to make a “whole” . . . the whole resulting from a shifted consciousness of increased awareness].

I feel that it is this “awareness” on the part of both that is rare, and not so much that they wouldn’t have had that much interaction in past lives. I think that for one Twin to recognize the other without being “recognized” in return, would be extremely painful for the aware Twin, and the pain would be part of his/her karmic obligation.

To highlight what I’m trying to say about recognition or awareness due to an awakened Kundalini, here is an example of a true story I’d written about on another thread (as told by my Mom … don’t know whom she heard it from)—

Basically, the woman in the story was being pressured by her family to get married since she had crossed the “marriageable age.” She kept refusing and family pressure kept increasing. Finally she said that she would marry only one man and none other. When asked who this man was and how she knew him, she told them she knew him from “before,” a past life in which both of them had been cobras, and that they had both died together by falling into a well while mating. Obviously not believing her, the family wanted to meet this man. She took them to where he lived and pointed him out. The family spoke to the man who corroborated her story that he also remembered he’d been a cobra and this woman had been his mate. Long story short, I think they were allowed to be together. But their story caught so much attention that a filmmaker decided to make a movie out of it.

Anyway, just wanted to share some of my present thoughts on the subject … one that I’m not well versed in LOL

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 14, 2013 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
I wanted to make a final comment about what you said—
I admit I haven’t read all that much at all on Twin Flames (I’ve been more immersed in the Kundalini subject), so I could be completely off base about what I’m about to say. Nevertheless … from my intuitive understanding, I think of all life in the 3rd dimension as the result of Karma.

Therefore, Twin Flames can also have Karmic obligations to fulfill prior to such point in time when they can unite with [b]full awareness of each other … meaning, both must be fully aware of, and recognize who the other is, before they can fully unite.

Such awareness necessarily requires a dimensionally shifted consciousness, in other words, an activated Kundalini.

However, I think it important that the Kundalini Shakti be activated in both persons … at least activated enough for the two to recognize each as being the mirror or counterpart of the other.

I think that if only one or the other is aware, their union cannot be “complete” [complete meaning their masculine and feminine energies blending to make a “whole” . . . the whole resulting from a shifted consciousness of increased awareness].

I feel that it is this “awareness” on the part of both that is rare, and not so much that they wouldn’t have had that much interaction in past lives. I think that for one Twin to recognize the other without being “recognized” in return, would be extremely painful for the aware Twin, and the pain would be part of his/her karmic obligation.

To highlight what I’m trying to say about recognition or awareness due to an awakened Kundalini, here is an example of a true story I’d written about on another thread (as told by my Mom … don’t know whom she heard it from)—

Basically, the woman in the story was being pressured by her family to get married since she had crossed the “marriageable age.” She kept refusing and family pressure kept increasing. Finally she said that she would marry only one man and none other. When asked who this man was and how she knew him, she told them she knew him from “before,” a past life in which both of them had been cobras, and that they had both died together by falling into a well while mating. Obviously not believing her, the family wanted to meet this man. She took them to where he lived and pointed him out. The family spoke to the man who corroborated her story that he also remembered he’d been a cobra and this woman had been his mate. Long story short, I think they were allowed to be together. But their story caught so much attention that a filmmaker decided to make a movie out of it.

Anyway, just wanted to share some of my present thoughts on the subject … one that I’m not well versed in LOL

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There are very different views on the term twinflames, and yes, very different takes on if they have karma or don´t have it, if they have blissfully happy lives or dramatic ones, too intense to last, if they have a strong "mission feeling" in regards to the world and so on.
It is not easy to wade through all these different conceptions.

Like you though, if we are looking for labels (and those words are just a compromise to put something we feel into words, maybe an impossible feat, but it is difficult to communicate without using words over the internet), I was thinking about the highly transformative element and Kundalini rising activation, that seems to happen in not only our cases, but others as well.
Is that a sign of twinflames? Soulmates? Karma mates?

Honestly, who cares?

But like for you, this Kundalini activation led to such a monumental transformation of myself, that it feels as if I am really reborn (while already being alive), and THAT is what matters to me at the moment. Some metamorphosis taking place, and it fills me with wonder, joy and gratitude and love.

However I also think you were very true about this here:

However, I think it important that the Kundalini Shakti be activated in both persons … at least activated enough for the two to recognize each as being the mirror or counterpart of the other.

I think that if only one or the other is aware, their union cannot be “complete” [complete meaning their masculine and feminine energies blending to make a “whole” . . . the whole resulting from a shifted consciousness of increased awareness].

posted April 15, 2013 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
... Therefore, Twin Flames can also have Karmic obligations to fulfill prior to such point in time when they can unite with full awareness of each other … meaning, both must be fully aware of, and recognize who the other is, before they can fully unite.

However, I think it important that the Kundalini Shakti be activated in both persons … at least activated enough for the two to recognize each as being the mirror or counterpart of the other.

I feel that it is this “awareness” on the part of both that is rare, and not so much that they wouldn’t have had that much interaction in past lives. I think that for one Twin to recognize the other without being “recognized” in return, would be extremely painful for the aware Twin, and the pain would be part of his/her karmic obligation.

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The most I read about TFs was some two years ago I think, but likewise I think we also kind of intuitively mean the same thing even though I omit a lot from what I say up first. As in, that contact with or between TFs before it's "time" or both are ready is said to be painful and possibly more likely to drive the people apart than bring them together. Hence, contact being more or less rare, as I remember it. It would have been easier to deal with other people first.

Or that you gather your set of experiences and what you need to be "fully you" and they do the same on their side, with whatever is your complimenting or mirroring part as them, and then when both are ready enough they can interact on the required levels. Otherwise there wouldn't seem to be a fit, or whatever.

Maybe in your case the easiest would be to call it Kundalini-mates then, if that's your preferred terminology or region. In relation to your other post, there was no burning involved with my feeling of "love" back when I first found out some things, but I can relate to your mention of something like that lasting for 3-4 days. I figured whatever mine was was just getting a taste of what things "should" feel like more ideally, not something of or from me per se instead of more an outside or outer source thing, but it was amusing and world-vision changing for that time at least. Nothing as strong as your thing seemed to be, but a reminder or nudge or pull "up" in any case if you like. I had a clear trigger that I (or whatever) used with that, so nothing spontaneous like your things. I looked back at my old texts elsewhere and seemed to time it around 9.9.2011 though can't find the precise texts just now so may be a little off. It was about around the time when my computer went bust, anyway, so this and that happening just then.

posted April 16, 2013 11:55 AM            

Vesta: she is the keeper of the sacred flame; now what could THAT be?

"In spite of the strict enforcement by the Romans of the vow of chastity, Vesta's origins in pre-Hellenic Greece were of a much different nature. Their primary deity was the Great Mother Goddess who was personified by the Moon and represented by the sacred flame, which symbolized the kundalini fire and secret powers of sexual transmutation. "
http://www.valkyrieastrology.com/Makeover/asteroids/vesta.html

Also - and that might be a a relatively new one - Dionysos.

He "used" the state of extasy for attaining spiritual insights.

also found this

"Zeus in the form of a serpent visited Persephone, and she bore him Zagreus, that is, Dionysus, a horned infant. Scarcely was he born, when the babe mounted the throne of his father Zeus and mimicked the great god by brandishing the lightning in his tiny hand. ...

The symbol of lightning is a reference to the kundalini experience, thus Dionysos had a very early kundalini experience as a child."

http://allaboutheaven.org/sources/62/164/dionysos-and-the-dionysian-mysteries

Pluto/Scorpio

posted April 16, 2013 12:04 PM            

Just checked a first meeting chart:

Dionysos: 18 Gemini
Kaali: 19 Gemini
BAcchus
(Roman Dionysos): 19 Gemini!
Mercury: 20 Gemini
Mahakala: 21 Gemini
(conjunct my natal Mahakala on 23 Gem)

posted April 20, 2013 10:02 PM            

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The dream is an activation of the throat Chakra to a new level, perhaps your TF will speak more and more about his own dreams/past life recalls to you in the coming days. The man holding the rattle snake could have been a Tantra guru in one past lifeline.
It is possible that you both have existed as Reptilian Yogis millenia ago, prior to taking the Human Form. These people were called "Nagas" in Ancient India, some are still said to exist in the Inner Earth.

The first meeting chart Asteroids point to an Elite "Naga" Past Life together. The 13 Aries is the degree of Tantra because of the Sabian Symbol. It also represents the creation of the Human Species using part Reptilian DNA, which is why Kundalini Yoga is common in the current way to Reptilians and to Humans.

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Do not think that all reptilians are evil, only 313 Families owing allegiance to a specific, power hungry Draco Elite are of the dark side. More than 90% of all 4th D species are good, whatever be the species.
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I did a quick search on the Nagas and found that they were known for wisdom, protection, and fertility.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 20, 2013 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
Kundalini is of course represented by at snake at the bottom of the spine.
Snakes in dreams and snake bites are (among other things- complex symbolism) representative of initiation. They also represent (sacred) knowledge.
The fact you think your 'twin flame' was the snake mostly tells me you are looking for completion/to feel complete/whole. So are your spiritual practices reaching a deeper level? Do you feel more complete and feel sure enough to start expressing your thoughts on this and your truths to the world?
The throat is also where the fifth chakra is, the one of expressing yourself.
The bus ride is 'the journey you are on' (I'll read this as your spiritual journey, especially since the man was Indian).

Just some thoughts.

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Thank you, Twirl, for your insight. Everything you've written resonates. I was looking to feel complete and whole and found that wholeness when I met my TF. It's not that I wasn't whole and complete by myself prior to meeting him. It's just that I first became aware of the masculine/feminine balance that contributes to wholeness between two people after meeting him.

What you said about the throat chakra and self expression hit home because my ideal (partly) of feeling 'whole' is the full and complete expression of who I am. And for the first time I found this with my TF.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 20, 2013 10:42 PM            

Your pointers were really helpful.
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"Since I recently picked up 22817 Shankar as another Shiva-related one"

Yes I remember mentioning Shankar as being another name for Shiva on Ceri's thread, lol. And yes I've checked Shankar, Mahakala, etc and found them to be pretty significant in my synastry and composite. Will mention them later.

In the aspects I listed at the start of the this thread, I was only focusing on Shiva, Moon, and Serpe, as Shiva is shown connected to both Snakes and the Moon. I guess it makes sense that Moon would be quite important in TF astrology. I'll try and post the other aspects too.

Here's another asteroid I'd like to mention--
9438 SATIE--for Sati or Parvati. In her Sati incarnation, Parvati had immolated herself to defend the honor of her husband, Shiva who was being disrespected by her Father.
http://en.wikipedia.orgwikiSati_%28goddess%29
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"In Hindu legend, both Sati and Parvati successively play the role of bringing Shiva away from ascetic isolation into creative participation in the world."

The story is told beautifully in the wiki link I posted.

I'm using asteroid Satie for Sati, which is a Sanskrit word meaning "true."

Kaali, Tara, and Sati are all fierce forms of the benevolent Parvati.

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 20, 2013 11:15 PM            

Re: the nodal axis in relation to the Asc/Desc axis, I understand your point about 6 degrees being too wide as a conjunction. The bigger point I was trying to make is that both in the composite as well as the First Meeting chart, the nodal axis is 6-7 degrees away from the Asc/Desc axis.

Thank you for analyzing the astrology I posted. I really appreciate all your points.

Also for mentioning Vipera, which I didn't know about. Guess what?

In the composite the Asc is at 13 Ari 21 and Vipera is on the Desc. at 13 Lib 59! So we have a snake on the Asc (at least going by the Sabian) and a viper on the Desc. *gulps*
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"Your bottom comment notes that your Shiva is already conj his DC"

Yes, we have a double whammy--my Shiva on his Desc, and his Shiva on my Desc, not to mention our entire charts being splayed with Rudra connections, so transformation is at the core of our synastry [Rudra being Pluto's fire, i.e., Rudra fine tunes Pluto, just like Karma fine tunes Saturn].

Thread on "Rudra is Pluto's fire."
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/001129.html

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"As for the dream, rattlesnakes make a lot of noise as well, so maybe that's an additional thing about the already mentioned throat or fifth chakra thing?"

Yes, rattlesnakes making noise ties in with the fifth chakra activation of self expression.

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"Thank you for your also noting "BML is also associated with Kundalini awakening"

You're welcome. It was Ceri who taught me that

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 20, 2013 11:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
As a sidenote, since I'm always interested in solstice points or Antiscia, does 16 Virgo do anything interesting in your charts? It'd tie to the 13 Aries so I'm curious if it features in any way.

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Thank you for the reminder of solstice points being important. I completely agree! Again Ceri has written about their importance in complementarity, which makes absolute sense.

You wanted to know if we had anything on the antiscia of the composite Asc at 13 Ari. Yes his Desc/Psyche/Kassandra conjunction is exactly on the Antiscia (less than 1 deg) of the Asc.

And composite Satie (Parvati) is on the Antiscia of the composite Asc (1 deg 30 min orb exact).
Composite Joya is also on the antiscia of the composite Asc. (less than 1 deg).

There are other antiscia connections that I can get into later, but I think the one to the Asc is imp, so thanks again.
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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 20, 2013 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
The most I read about TFs was some two years ago I think, but likewise I think we also kind of intuitively mean the same thing even though I omit a lot from what I say up first. As in, that contact with or between TFs before it's "time" or both are ready is said to be painful and possibly more likely to drive the people apart than bring them together. Hence, contact being more or less rare, as I remember it. It would have been easier to deal with other people first.

Or that you gather your set of experiences and what you need to be "fully you" and they do the same on their side, with whatever is your complimenting or mirroring part as them, and then when both are ready enough they can interact on the required levels. Otherwise there wouldn't seem to be a fit, or whatever.

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Thanks, Keela for explaining more fully. I understand completely now

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.

posted April 21, 2013 12:04 AM            

Thanks for all your responses as well as the links on Vesta (I agree) and Dionysos (this one's an eye opener. I didn't know).

But would you mind explaining why Medusa should also be included?

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~ I have a DO NOT DISTURB sign on my imagination ... because I want to frustrate the twins ... Convention and Dogma

~ The moment I cease to seek the truth, or settle for the truth in the moment ... that is the moment I cease to be a seeker, and become a fundamentalist instead.

~ The truest acts of charity are never disclosed ... they remain a secret between Man, the doer and God.
Because Man knows that each charitable act is an opportunity for him to revel in God just as God avails of His chance to revel in Man through every act of charity.
For them both to continue to rejoice in each other, Man knows he cannot allow worldly accolades to distract him. So he continues to act in kindness ... secretly.