posted June 08, 2013 07:53 AM            

I'm asking mostly because while my family's had a strong correlation to the Hindu god ones in general as well, should I be watching out for something with the pattern all the way at least up to the grandparents?

I don't have time to check all the relevant Kaali, Parvati, Tara & co. to everything for all three generations, but my grandparents both have their Haras opposite each other. Father's father 18 R Sco opp his wife's Hara at 16 Tau. Mother's father has Hara at 18 Ari 58 and his wife has it at 20 Lib 18.

My mother's Hara is 16 Sco trine the big 14-16 Cancer Siva/Parvati-ASC conjunction between her and my father. I have 22817 Shankar there, my brother has Tara there likewise. My Hara is 27 Vir 07 opposite my father's Rudra at 27 Pis 07, too, so we keep having the Shiva/Rudra/Mahakala/Shankar/Hara style things or things in the theme opposite or in contact with each other in the lineage. His Soma opposite my Rudra likewise, for example.

Siwa isn't counted in for Shiva most of the time, but my father's Siwa is 19 Aqu 22 trine my mother's Kaali in Gemini likewise, on top of all the rest of the Indian theme asteroid contacts already. I have Hanuman conj ASC 1,5 degrees conj Mahakala-Siwa conj Tara-Ganesa, for an example of Siwa still showing up.

My father's Hara is on my mother's DC (brother's IC), her Siwa trine his Siva 2 degrees conjunct my brother's Siva. My brother has Rudra opposite Soma natally, so things keep circling around one way or another.

Paternal grandfather has Rudra-Mahakala-Pluto at 21-22 Gem which is next to my father's NN, for example, trine Nada in Aquarius conj my mother's NN. The Rudra-Mahakala-Pluto's also accompanied by Kaali conjunct Algol (and possibly the ASC), Tara-Mars opposite Hara-Moon and more, so there's plenty to look at in each chart on their own as well as in connection to each other.

Mostly I'm asking what you'd see Hara doing if it's part of the Shiva-continuum, and what the deal would be if at least three generations of a family all rotate one particular theme nigh on end when there's nothing to do with Kundalini, Hinduism, India or anything on any apparent levels?

posted June 08, 2013 08:15 AM            

The Age of Lord Shiva is calculated using Vedic Texts at the least to be a few billion trillion Earth Years.

He is said to observe the near Immortal lifetimes of thousands of "Yahweh" types and "Brahma" types in just one blink. From a Point of Eternity, He is Fractally Subdividing millions of times into a teacher of Timeless Wisdom across Time/Space/Civilizations. A blessing to disciples from one of his Manifestations is said to last 10 generations, perhaps that is the reason for your family having such strong links to Hara/Siwa/Siva Asteroids.

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posted June 10, 2013 11:24 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
How can you be so sure that your family has nothing to do with Shiva even though there is nothing to do with Hinduism?

A blessing to disciples from one of his Manifestations is said to last 10 generations, perhaps that is the reason for your family having such strong links to Hara/Siwa/Siva Asteroids.

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Well, I did say apparent levels. I don't know of anything in the ancestry that would point such ways and I live half the world away so there isn't anything apparent. I have family trees back to about 1640 for the local side so I also know we're pretty much very local and common as muck with farmers or peasants galore. One line has a few smiths and a soldier as the oldest one I know about, but we're all rather uneducated commoners really. My mother's mother hails from the Karelian side near the Russian border and I don't have her details, but that's also about as Eastern as it seems to get on apparent levels, as said.

Possible past lives is another thing and I should check the charts for 1-3 generations further back since I should have the DOBs, but if a couple of generations born in one region in Finland all had something to do with Hindu gods some other lifetime and the asteroids show up for that, it still doesn't necessarily tell me that much on practical terms. Especially given your own mentions of certain asteroids mattering nothing to someone unless they're more aware or can use them. It's as if unconscious baggage or an unconscious blessing passed down without people being aware of it.

My father's father was the 4th or 5th child of nine or eleven children, I forget which, but since they all 11-13 people lived in a one-room house only, he moved out to do work at a relative's bigger house by the age of thirteen, anyway. Farmland work, a bit of driving trucks, the II WW in between, then more work and the married life with four children for him. He never talked about the war despite other past stories, I remember that much. His mother was a lively or fiery sort, and I know that astrological things get passed down the line same as physical resemblances since I can see her having passed down her nose and more to us, but there is little particularly Shiva-esque about the family background on more apparent levels, as said.

I'm probably of the first generation that's even aware of Shiva or with an interest in mythology in general - and even then it's not any apparent leaning toward him out of the myriad god or goddess figures out there. When we were taught about the main three (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) and our teacher asked which of the three we'd see best to worship if a Hindu, I was the only one in class to see Shiva as a logical pick if looking at reincarnation or more, but that's very little again.

It's more probably asking why a theme would be there for generations if the apparent reasons don't apply, and that goes for any theme. Maybe some family comes with another thing passing down the line with no apparent connection to something like that, maybe a Native American Indian one for someone from Hungary, or anything not apparently there by the immediate surrounding circumstances.

I mostly talk about my paternal grandfather's life up there because of the Algol/Kaali and Rudra-Mahakala/Pluto 21-22 Gem mention earlier.

His Siva is 0 Cap 22
square his 0 Ari 20' Saturn and 1 Ari 12' Sun
19 Tau Tara conj Mars OPP Hara + Moon
Nada conj Chiron 21 Aqu
trine 21-22 Gem Rudra-M/Pluto
T-squre with Tara-Mars + Moon/Hara
Siwa 4.49 R Leo conj Jupiter 3 Leo 40' trine 3 Sag 20 Soma

Like I said, when we do the theme, we do the theme. IF the Ascendant was anywhere near right it's conjunct the Kaali-Algol and makes his IC 13 Cancer conjunct Sirius. Neptune 12 Can 05' R, NN 10 Can 18.

A perfectly ordinary and common person with the theme flaring up like whoa if looked at. I know there's been some mention of the reptilian alien sorts or Sirius in relation to Siva/Parvati conjunctions somewhere, and Kaali/Venus, but I'm not sure what it'd all do or say on a more practical level if looking at ordinary random people or a common as muck family somewhere.

Algol/Kaali (Rudra-Mahakala/Pluto 21-22 Gem), Karma 11 Ari 56' square NN

has a son
with Algol/Shankar and 26 Ari Venus exactly opposite Kaali,
Karma-NN conj his father's Pluto,
Sun/moon 11-13 Ari for his father's Karma

leading down to me
with Algol-SN square Karma/Sun (opp Moon)
Venus 1,5 conj Kaali square Neptune,
plus all my ASC stuff and Parvati/Pluto

and brother
with Parvati conj Venus-Saturn and Neptune opposite Kaali-Nada. Brother also mirrors the grandfather with his 11-13 Lib Siva conj Pluto, Moon/Mars opposite Shankar, Tara 2 conj Sun-Jupiter, and his 7-11 Tau Siwa/Chiron/Karma/Rudra.

Everybody also seems to do big Moon/Mars or Sun/Moon male/female dances in their own charts, or Sun/Saturn synastry-wise, so the patterns repeat one way or another and I still don't know what they'd mean more so. Pluto contacts the asteroids in most cases, so presumably there's something transformative or more energy boosts going on for even more effect, but I don't know what it all is.

The father's Algol/Shankar and Venus opp Kaali also comes with
7-8 Lib Neptune-Siva sext Pluto, square his mother's Sun
Rudra conj Mercury 28-29 Pis (his mother's NN 27.55, son's Mahakala-SN 28-29)
Soma opp Pluto 23 Ari-Lib
14 Can 34' Parvati conj ASC and square Moon

Even my maternal grandmother has Tara/Pluto around the family hotspot, 15-17 Can in her case. My mother pulls Kaali opposite Karma, or her Kaali opp my brother's Nada-Kaali if nothing else, and my father's mother pulls a 24-25 Can Shankar/Neptune for one. There's also plenty at 28 Leo in the charts as well, ranging from my Sun to a Parvati, Tara, my father's IC, bro's Parvati/Venus/Saturn and a Neptune. Actually, the paternal grandparents seem to have the Tara + Parvati for my Sun and the maternal grandparents Shankar + Tara for my brother's Sun. Blessings perhaps, but without more data it's hard to say.

posted June 10, 2013 11:55 AM            

Mother also seems to have draconic Kaali-Ramakrishna (opposite Karma) conj her Sun, draco Raman/Siva/Uranus conj her Pluto/SN/Merc?

And what is one to do with the knowledge that they have Nada conj Hara, and their brother has Nada conj Kaali? Music of the spheres in conjunction with Krishnan-Lilith next to Samadhi-Hara at my end. I'd pay attention to Hare Krishna chanting if that helped in some practical way, but for now it's not happening.

12472, 100, 390, 33553, 620, 55753, 25468, 22533, 2211, 244 for more things to check, from Samadhi to Sitas.

Mother with Samadhi 24 Can 16 conj her Sun, Raman 13 Can 56 conj Siva-Uranus. Sita-Nagai/Hanuman at 6-7 Can. Krishnan 27 Leo 25. Ramakrishna 16 Gem 12.

Father's Sita 15 Gem 56. Krishnan 6 Aqu 03 opp my ASC, Raman 0 Pis conj my Moon. Nagai 20 Cap trine 22 Tau Hekate trine 21 Vir Alma.

Brother's Hekate 27 Tau 18', Hanuman opp Sun-Jupiter. Samadhi conj Krishnan 0-1 Leo with something else of his I'm forgetting now.

And just to check the "Draco/Rigel/Orion" thing mentioned elsewhere:

Paternal grandfather has Algol conj Kaali conj Hekate, the last square 27.58 R Parvati and 28.48 R Leo Drakonia. Nagai 24.32 R Leo.
Father's Drakonia 26.37 R Leo, so the paternal line has the lot conjunct brother's Venus-Saturn and my Sun and Karma, square my Nodes.
My Drakonia's 10 Cancer so conjunct grandfather's NN.

Maternal grandmother's Drakonia conjunct possible Ascendant by ~3. Also conjunct her daughter's Karma, opposite Kaali-Ramakrishna. Nagai 25.43 Leo. Raman conj Hanuman for more of the same with those. Another Sun/Moon conjunction person, to go with the family Sun/Moon or Moon/Mars conj/opposition pattern.