posted July 09, 2013 05:57 PM            

204 Kallisto Cancer 13.26'5"
Conjunct *Sirius Cancer 13.27'57"
Conjunct Vesta Cancer 17.25, 8th 4s

quintile Moon -0a (9th)
sextile Venus 0a in 5th
trine Saturn-rx 2a in Scorpio 11th

Squares of 0-orbs to
Kassandra-Interkosmos Aries, 4th
114,2365

posted July 09, 2013 11:07 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Nah the only real requirement to model is height unless you want to do haute couture then weight matters. MODEL!

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posted July 10, 2013 01:12 AM            

(3.5 wide cnj/opp ASC/DSC -
0 opp - Pandora Bikki Alleghania
0 sq IC/MC Belisana Nephele Thora Libitina Taurinensis Nebra Aquincum Gawain (Hypo-Harrington) & Sapientia Tuulikki Atapuerca Butler Savaria Neith Imago
1 tri Mars/Pluto (etc) h3
or 0 tri Amycus Akrishnan Brage Jovita Lacrimosa h10/ Asteropaios Athamantis Europa Hopi Magion Niels Ocllo Pandarus Triglav Symmetria (Hypo-Proserpina) h3
0 sxt Pan Ornamenta Aurora Banzan Hygiea Terpsichore Icarus Galene Fama Eunike Laverna Pythagoras h4/Juno Osiris Pomono Grimm Ask Gaea Tursachan h9

~
Q h4 Anubis Deborah Helena Merlin America/Emp Polyxena Paradise h9 :: bQ h10 Griqua Intel/h2 Ambrosia Parthenope)

posted July 10, 2013 02:34 AM            

I've got Kallisto 12h Cancer trine my 9H Pisces Sun
Bella 9H Pisces conjunct my Sun
Aphrodite 5H Sagittarius trine my Sun (A bit wide at 4 degrees though)

posted July 10, 2013 06:20 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
That gif rules
You insert the link between [img]{/img]

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posted July 10, 2013 07:53 AM            

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Originally posted by ShineYourLight:
Oh Bella is conjunct my Ascendant!

EDIT: how do you guys post gifs on here? it doesn't seem to work for me..

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posted July 10, 2013 07:54 AM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
If I remember correctly the minimum height for female models is 5'6 1/2 on the short side and the standard height is 5'7. Well you could try commercial modeling if your really interested it.

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posted July 10, 2013 04:16 PM            

also:
conjunct Ceres
loosely conjunct Chiron
exactly opposite Neptune
opposite Saturn
trine Pluto

I feel like for me the exact conjunction with Jupiter/opposition Neptune has expressed itself in my love life.. I do often meet men who become extremely interested in me, but who I've seen as a bit deceptive in their approach. I was also almost "date raped" by a "friend" I was getting to know when I was 19, which has deeply affected the way I approach friendships/romantic relationships since.

posted July 10, 2013 06:54 PM            

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Originally posted by black_rose:
I have Kallisto exact conjunct my Jupiter.. after reading the myth, that seems like a significant placement.

also:
conjunct Ceres
loosely conjunct Chiron
exactly opposite Neptune
opposite Saturn
trine Pluto

I feel like for me the exact conjunction with Jupiter/opposition Neptune has expressed itself in my love life.. I do often meet men who become extremely interested in me, but who I've seen as a bit deceptive in their approach. I was also almost "date raped" by a "friend" I was getting to know when I was 19, which has deeply affected the way I approach friendships/romantic relationships since.

It seems to me that viewing this object as one relating simply to beauty is not the full story.. perhaps more so beauty/purity that attracts those with deceptive/dangerous intentions?

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I am sorry about what happened when you were 19, hope you have healed at least a good amount and found better since then

posted July 10, 2013 07:30 PM            

Kallisto in Leo conjunct IC/South Node & Opposite NN/MC exact
sextile Moon
square Mars 1

Asteroids:
Conjunct DNA,Desiderata and Bacchus.

posted July 10, 2013 10:27 PM            

It's as you stated, "some versions of the myth" - I was actually going to elaborate on a few things concerning this figure in my original post, but since I lack brevity (so badly), I cut it out...

It's really a matter of having to put up with Hesiod's rendition, but I don't want to go on about the validity of his accounts too much, just say that he was a writer, that was his meal/fame ticket. Historically, he is definitely one of the greater sources of Greek literature, of mythology, available to us today, but he is just not to be trusted in the sense of a scholar who appreciated and collected lore from his own people. Not only did he lack traveling experience, he had some serious prejudices (that he shared with some other writers of this era) that should be held in account when examining his works. On the other hand, you may appreciate the story as it is given from Ovid's perspective and research. Ovid may be the latter-born but he collected more information from a broader spectrum, from actual travel and interaction, and through his predecessors (Hesiod being one). But, his views weren't as tainted by prejudice, and he certainly held a good amount of appreciation for the Greco-Roman folklore and religious practices, in his time and those gone. The differences between Ovid and Hesiod's works on the same subjects aren't just caused by them coming from different times or cultures, but they had different objectives in mind when dictating/recording these tales. I usually go with the earlier documentation available as most reliable, but always the skeptic, will be reserved in accepting an account from the hand of someone who has "something else in it" motivating their work. Just like writers today, all may seek some profit, by chance some level of fame, but some are actually preserving and researching for the sake of progeny. All can add their own spin to things, I'm sure both of these classical figures did just that... but, they definitely shared different success and different motivation, to me this is the distinction. Ovid's account is probably the closer to the remaining folklore surrounding the same story Hesiod had picked up on in his time. Just that Ovid would have had a plethora of resources more than Hesiod could have from all around the region, as education and the empire spread... so did the legends and access to them. (right~)

Artemis Kaliste, is the epithet of Artemis as a single aspect of the supreme goddess in the role of "nurturer, mother of the wild", it is a creation myth of a people, a people represented by the bear. Artemis is not often seen as a mother goddess, and in casual mythological study, literature, you seldom learn about the Greek concept of theism being anything but polytheist, but the Greek mythology, as it formed and spread (or was united, more correctly), always held a common belief system to that of the Vedic-Hindu theism. Artemis is literally "(she who gives/finds) safety", and in line with the surviving birth legends of Artemis and Apollo, we find her in the role of "midwife", a mother-role. Who does she protect (give safety to)? The women, and the children of the wilderness. She is still seen as a goddess of the forest, hunt, animals, and of course Amazons... but, somehow her role as a mother-goddess gets eclipsed by (more than anything) myths that are both written and later preserved by educated men... men, most who by culture and era - could not either understand or appreciate the feminine divinities as they were meant to be, or believed to be for that matter. So, it's easy to understand why she's had the better part of her mythos and role regulated to "fighting against the tribes of males" and "hunting, or animals"... The fact that her connection to the moon remains is testament to her lineage as a daughter of Leto, grandchild of Phoebe, and that unchangeable link between her and the goddesses of "motherhood".

As per that myth... a nymph was taken from Artemis's entourage by "Dzeos" (Dzeos, "(the) God"). That much is consistent enough. It was after this that the comedic version containing the "lesbian relationship" of Dzeos in drag became a part of the myth... (so, whether or not the goddess was in a relationship with her devotee or not, is unclear, but that the Greeks (and Romans) loved to use homoerotic relationships as a way to rile an audience/the public, is pretty well known today. It's in poor taste, but this was a different time...) ~ When it became apparent to the others (or Artemis, and Zeus perhaps) that the nymph was with child, she was "forced" (obligated, would be the operative word) to leave the group. This doesn't necessarily mean that it was in anger - as Hesiod would have us believe, so much as a prerequisite of her office as a devotee. She was entering into a new phase of womanhood, a new milestone, from maiden to mother. The nymphs who were in the immediate circle of Artemis were all young maidens, because they were not able to remain in one location, and traveled to the temples of Artemis... this would have worn on any soon-to-be mother. So~ where was I... to "protect" (not punish... damned male writers)... either or both Artemis and Zeus, opted to transform the poor woman, to guard her from the ever-knowing eye of Hera... who would have (iunno) "sensed a disturbance in the force", or had Iris on spy duty... who is to say! (lol) - Either way... it is in line with the mythology of Artemis, as well as her worship, to have the woman sent somewhere into the wild, where she could be better protected. - Now we have the one version, stating that Artemis slew Kalisto.... and another which states that either Arcas (her own son) had/was about to shoot her down himself... in either case, Zeus (or Artemis) intervenes... and the two are placed in the heavens. But, a woman scorned, as always... Hera pleads her case, and in a final attempt at revenge on her husband and those who aided him and the nymph, she has the stars of the nymph and her son arranged so that they may never reach the waters... ~(there is a deeper metaphysical meaning behind these events and punishments, and a cosmological one as well... but I won't go there either... already taking too much space/time sorry!)

So, we have Kalisto... which doesn't actually translate to "most beautiful" just "(the) beautiful"~ (I blame nameology sites/books for their lack of understanding and perpetuating of these errors in translation!) - just like Leto, Keto, and even Zeo, and Era... these are very distinct singular words that express the description of a being... if you want something more akin to "most beautiful", I'd say Kalisto-telli would be more like it... (even this translates to "very beautiful" though, and not "the most") - ^^;

Also, Kalisto (Kaliste) is referring to a special form of beauty.. a special image the ancient Greeks hand in mind... As we have words like "pretty" and "lovely" and "beautiful" and even "handsome" and "cute" which all mean ~ beautiful... in some way... Ancient Greeks had certain adjectives to describe what kind of beauty they were referring to as well. Kalisto is referring to "dark" beauty. And, no... I do not mean scary, or taboo, or mysterious... it literally refers to a "dark (skinned) beauty".

Which if you follow through in studying up the origins and family of Leto and her children... will make perfect sense. ^^ Despite the (sorry for the term) "white-washing" of ancient Greek literature and (also due to fading) art... as well as the obvious periods of xenophobia (especially in Athens)... Leto and her children were clearly exotic in appearance. I sincerely believe, that if not the original home of this goddess and her worship, that it was the last place and people to worship her in the capacity she was originally intended to play, those people are the Kandake, Nubians (or Ethiopians)... As per their names, the etymology... and the rituals/worship - the entire myth of Leto, as well as the Niobids - are about two tribes of African origin... the myth describes a time when these people (their goddess) fled to Greek lands, where she became thoroughly integrated into the local mythos.

I did try looking at different charts for some clues as to how relative the specific form of beauty was between those with various skin tone as well as ethnicity. But, before my son and nephews interrupted me the only recurring theme I could spot was where certain ethnic celebrities of actual Ethiopian or Nubian heritage - as well as a few with generally beautiful and exotic dark features from other ethnic groups, seemed to have either Sun or Moon in tight positive aspect with Kalisto, I saw a quite a few Q/bQ aspects between Sun and Jupiter to Kallisto in these charts... I also checked them against Artemis and Aphrodite, (just to see if there are often shared connections or not)... I did not find many shared connections at all actually, not as much as I'd hoped. Kalisto functions alone, without Artemis influence in most of those charts I looked over. Not that they didn't have a strong presence of either Artemis or Aphrodite (I just found Kallisto does her own thing quite separately it seems)... there were a few who had more Artemis than I would have imagined. ^^;

Kalisto would appear to me to both relate to specific form of beauty, and specific aspect of both femininity/womanhood, as well as possibly linking to an event that comes with transitioning into a new point in that womanhood/life. I don't see her as representing betrayal or abandonment, so much as representing, a transformation, and/or an irreversible point of change where something near to us (our life or our family), is in need of security, perhaps even a hidden strength, and the gift of resilience. So, like the nymph, and like Kaliste Artemis, perhaps it is "beautiful safety" in a chart- the nurturing mother of the wild, bear mother... our connection to that beautiful wild energy.

<3

posted July 10, 2013 11:11 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
@ ail & all

It's as you stated, "some versions of the myth" - I was actually going to elaborate on a few things concerning this figure in my original post, but since I lack brevity (so badly), I cut it out...

It's really a matter of having to put up with Hesiod's rendition, but I don't want to go on about the validity of his accounts too much, just say that he was a writer, that was his meal/fame ticket. Historically, he is definitely one of the greater sources of Greek literature, of mythology, available to us today, but he is just not to be trusted in the sense of a scholar who appreciated and collected lore from his own people. Not only did he lack traveling experience, he had some serious prejudices (that he shared with some other writers of this era) that should be held in account when examining his works. On the other hand, you may appreciate the story as it is given from Ovid's perspective and research. Ovid may be the latter-born but he collected more information from a broader spectrum, from actual travel and interaction, and through his predecessors (Hesiod being one). But, his views weren't as tainted by prejudice, and he certainly held a good amount of appreciation for the Greco-Roman folklore and religious practices, in his time and those gone. The differences between Ovid and Hesiod's works on the same subjects aren't just caused by them coming from different times or cultures, but they had different objectives in mind when dictating/recording these tales. I usually go with the earlier documentation available as most reliable, but always the skeptic, will be reserved in accepting an account from the hand of someone who has "something else in it" motivating their work. Just like writers today, all may seek some profit, by chance some level of fame, but some are actually preserving and researching for the sake of progeny. All can add their own spin to things, I'm sure both of these classical figures did just that... but, they definitely shared different success and different motivation, to me this is the distinction. Ovid's account is probably the closer to the remaining folklore surrounding the same story Hesiod had picked up on in his time. Just that Ovid would have had a plethora of resources more than Hesiod could have from all around the region, as education and the empire spread... so did the legends and access to them. (right~)

Artemis Kaliste, is the epithet of Artemis as a single aspect of the supreme goddess in the role of "nurturer, mother of the wild", it is a creation myth of a people, a people represented by the bear. Artemis is not often seen as a mother goddess, and in casual mythological study, literature, you seldom learn about the Greek concept of theism being anything but polytheist, but the Greek mythology, as it formed and spread (or was united, more correctly), always held a common belief system to that of the Vedic-Hindu theism. Artemis is literally "(she who gives/finds) safety", and in line with the surviving birth legends of Artemis and Apollo, we find her in the role of "midwife", a mother-role. Who does she protect (give safety to)? The women, and the children of the wilderness. She is still seen as a goddess of the forest, hunt, animals, and of course Amazons... but, somehow her role as a mother-goddess gets eclipsed by (more than anything) myths that are both written and later preserved by educated men... men, most who by culture and era - could not either understand or appreciate the feminine divinities as they were meant to be, or believed to be for that matter. So, it's easy to understand why she's had the better part of her mythos and role regulated to "fighting against the tribes of males" and "hunting, or animals"... The fact that her connection to the moon remains is testament to her lineage as a daughter of Leto, grandchild of Phoebe, and that unchangeable link between her and the goddesses of "motherhood".

As per that myth... a nymph was taken from Artemis's entourage by "Dzeos" (Dzeos, "(the) God"). That much is consistent enough. It was after this that the comedic version containing the "lesbian relationship" of Dzeos in drag became a part of the myth... (so, whether or not the goddess was in a relationship with her devotee or not, is unclear, but that the Greeks (and Romans) loved to use homoerotic relationships as a way to rile an audience/the public, is pretty well known today. It's in poor taste, but this was a different time...) ~ When it became apparent to the others (or Artemis, and Zeus perhaps) that the nymph was with child, she was "forced" (obligated, would be the operative word) to leave the group. This doesn't necessarily mean that it was in anger - as Hesiod would have us believe, so much as a prerequisite of her office as a devotee. She was entering into a new phase of womanhood, a new milestone, from maiden to mother. The nymphs who were in the immediate circle of Artemis were all young maidens, because they were not able to remain in one location, and traveled to the temples of Artemis... this would have worn on any soon-to-be mother. So~ where was I... to "protect" (not punish... damned male writers)... either or both Artemis and Zeus, opted to transform the poor woman, to guard her from the ever-knowing eye of Hera... who would have (iunno) "sensed a disturbance in the force", or had Iris on spy duty... who is to say! (lol) - Either way... it is in line with the mythology of Artemis, as well as her worship, to have the woman sent somewhere into the wild, where she could be better protected. - Now we have the one version, stating that Artemis slew Kalisto.... and another which states that either Arcas (her own son) had/was about to shoot her down himself... in either case, Zeus (or Artemis) intervenes... and the two are placed in the heavens. But, a woman scorned, as always... Hera pleads her case, and in a final attempt at revenge on her husband and those who aided him and the nymph, she has the stars of the nymph and her son arranged so that they may never reach the waters... ~(there is a deeper metaphysical meaning behind these events and punishments, and a cosmological one as well... but I won't go there either... already taking too much space/time sorry!)

So, we have Kalisto... which doesn't actually translate to "most beautiful" just "(the) beautiful"~ (I blame nameology sites/books for their lack of understanding and perpetuating of these errors in translation!) - just like Leto, Keto, and even Zeo, and Era... these are very distinct singular words that express the description of a being... if you want something more akin to "most beautiful", I'd say Kalisto-telli would be more like it... (even this translates to "very beautiful" though, and not "the most") - ^^;

Also, Kalisto (Kaliste) is referring to a special form of beauty.. a special image the ancient Greeks hand in mind... As we have words like "pretty" and "lovely" and "beautiful" and even "handsome" and "cute" which all mean ~ beautiful... in some way... Ancient Greeks had certain adjectives to describe what kind of beauty they were referring to as well. Kalisto is referring to "dark" beauty. And, no... I do not mean scary, or taboo, or mysterious... it literally refers to a "dark (skinned) beauty".

Which if you follow through in studying up the origins and family of Leto and her children... will make perfect sense. ^^ Despite the (sorry for the term) "white-washing" of ancient Greek literature and (also due to fading) art... as well as the obvious periods of xenophobia (especially in Athens)... Leto and her children were clearly exotic in appearance. I sincerely believe, that if not the original home of this goddess and her worship, that it was the last place and people to worship her in the capacity she was originally intended to play, those people are the Kandake, Nubians (or Ethiopians)... As per their names, the etymology... and the rituals/worship - the entire myth of Leto, as well as the Niobids - are about two tribes of African origin... the myth describes a time when these people (their goddess) fled to Greek lands, where she became thoroughly integrated into the local mythos.

I did try looking at different charts for some clues as to how relative the specific form of beauty was between those with various skin tone as well as ethnicity. But, before my son and nephews interrupted me the only recurring theme I could spot was where certain ethnic celebrities of actual Ethiopian or Nubian heritage - as well as a few with generally beautiful and exotic dark features from other ethnic groups, seemed to have either Sun or Moon in tight positive aspect with Kalisto, I saw a quite a few Q/bQ aspects between Sun and Jupiter to Kallisto in these charts... I also checked them against Artemis and Aphrodite, (just to see if there are often shared connections or not)... I did not find many shared connections at all actually, not as much as I'd hoped. Kalisto functions alone, without Artemis influence in most of those charts I looked over. Not that they didn't have a strong presence of either Artemis or Aphrodite (I just found Kallisto does her own thing quite separately it seems)... there were a few who had more Artemis than I would have imagined. ^^;

Kalisto would appear to me to both relate to specific form of beauty, and specific aspect of both femininity/womanhood, as well as possibly linking to an event that comes with transitioning into a new point in that womanhood/life. I don't see her as representing betrayal or abandonment, so much as representing, a transformation, and/or an irreversible point of change where something near to us (our life or our family), is in need of security, perhaps even a hidden strength, and the gift of resilience. So, like the nymph, and like Kaliste Artemis, perhaps it is "beautiful safety" in a chart- the nurturing mother of the wild, bear mother... our connection to that beautiful wild energy.

<3

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posted July 11, 2013 02:56 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by SaturnineMoth:
@ ail & all

It's as you stated, "some versions of the myth" - I was actually going to elaborate on a few things concerning this figure in my original post, but since I lack brevity (so badly), I cut it out...

It's really a matter of having to put up with Hesiod's rendition, but I don't want to go on about the validity of his accounts too much, just say that he was a writer, that was his meal/fame ticket. Historically, he is definitely one of the greater sources of Greek literature, of mythology, available to us today, but he is just not to be trusted in the sense of a scholar who appreciated and collected lore from his own people. Not only did he lack traveling experience, he had some serious prejudices (that he shared with some other writers of this era) that should be held in account when examining his works. On the other hand, you may appreciate the story as it is given from Ovid's perspective and research. Ovid may be the latter-born but he collected more information from a broader spectrum, from actual travel and interaction, and through his predecessors (Hesiod being one). But, his views weren't as tainted by prejudice, and he certainly held a good amount of appreciation for the Greco-Roman folklore and religious practices, in his time and those gone. The differences between Ovid and Hesiod's works on the same subjects aren't just caused by them coming from different times or cultures, but they had different objectives in mind when dictating/recording these tales. I usually go with the earlier documentation available as most reliable, but always the skeptic, will be reserved in accepting an account from the hand of someone who has "something else in it" motivating their work. Just like writers today, all may seek some profit, by chance some level of fame, but some are actually preserving and researching for the sake of progeny. All can add their own spin to things, I'm sure both of these classical figures did just that... but, they definitely shared different success and different motivation, to me this is the distinction. Ovid's account is probably the closer to the remaining folklore surrounding the same story Hesiod had picked up on in his time. Just that Ovid would have had a plethora of resources more than Hesiod could have from all around the region, as education and the empire spread... so did the legends and access to them. (right~)

Artemis Kaliste, is the epithet of Artemis as a single aspect of the supreme goddess in the role of "nurturer, mother of the wild", it is a creation myth of a people, a people represented by the bear. Artemis is not often seen as a mother goddess, and in casual mythological study, literature, you seldom learn about the Greek concept of theism being anything but polytheist, but the Greek mythology, as it formed and spread (or was united, more correctly), always held a common belief system to that of the Vedic-Hindu theism. Artemis is literally "(she who gives/finds) safety", and in line with the surviving birth legends of Artemis and Apollo, we find her in the role of "midwife", a mother-role. Who does she protect (give safety to)? The women, and the children of the wilderness. She is still seen as a goddess of the forest, hunt, animals, and of course Amazons... but, somehow her role as a mother-goddess gets eclipsed by (more than anything) myths that are both written and later preserved by educated men... men, most who by culture and era - could not either understand or appreciate the feminine divinities as they were meant to be, or believed to be for that matter. So, it's easy to understand why she's had the better part of her mythos and role regulated to "fighting against the tribes of males" and "hunting, or animals"... The fact that her connection to the moon remains is testament to her lineage as a daughter of Leto, grandchild of Phoebe, and that unchangeable link between her and the goddesses of "motherhood".

As per that myth... a nymph was taken from Artemis's entourage by "Dzeos" (Dzeos, "(the) God"). That much is consistent enough. It was after this that the comedic version containing the "lesbian relationship" of Dzeos in drag became a part of the myth... (so, whether or not the goddess was in a relationship with her devotee or not, is unclear, but that the Greeks (and Romans) loved to use homoerotic relationships as a way to rile an audience/the public, is pretty well known today. It's in poor taste, but this was a different time...) ~ When it became apparent to the others (or Artemis, and Zeus perhaps) that the nymph was with child, she was "forced" (obligated, would be the operative word) to leave the group. This doesn't necessarily mean that it was in anger - as Hesiod would have us believe, so much as a prerequisite of her office as a devotee. She was entering into a new phase of womanhood, a new milestone, from maiden to mother. The nymphs who were in the immediate circle of Artemis were all young maidens, because they were not able to remain in one location, and traveled to the temples of Artemis... this would have worn on any soon-to-be mother. So~ where was I... to "protect" (not punish... damned male writers)... either or both Artemis and Zeus, opted to transform the poor woman, to guard her from the ever-knowing eye of Hera... who would have (iunno) "sensed a disturbance in the force", or had Iris on spy duty... who is to say! (lol) - Either way... it is in line with the mythology of Artemis, as well as her worship, to have the woman sent somewhere into the wild, where she could be better protected. - Now we have the one version, stating that Artemis slew Kalisto.... and another which states that either Arcas (her own son) had/was about to shoot her down himself... in either case, Zeus (or Artemis) intervenes... and the two are placed in the heavens. But, a woman scorned, as always... Hera pleads her case, and in a final attempt at revenge on her husband and those who aided him and the nymph, she has the stars of the nymph and her son arranged so that they may never reach the waters... ~(there is a deeper metaphysical meaning behind these events and punishments, and a cosmological one as well... but I won't go there either... already taking too much space/time sorry!)

So, we have Kalisto... which doesn't actually translate to "most beautiful" just "(the) beautiful"~ (I blame nameology sites/books for their lack of understanding and perpetuating of these errors in translation!) - just like Leto, Keto, and even Zeo, and Era... these are very distinct singular words that express the description of a being... if you want something more akin to "most beautiful", I'd say Kalisto-telli would be more like it... (even this translates to "very beautiful" though, and not "the most") - ^^;

Also, Kalisto (Kaliste) is referring to a special form of beauty.. a special image the ancient Greeks hand in mind... As we have words like "pretty" and "lovely" and "beautiful" and even "handsome" and "cute" which all mean ~ beautiful... in some way... Ancient Greeks had certain adjectives to describe what kind of beauty they were referring to as well. Kalisto is referring to "dark" beauty. And, no... I do not mean scary, or taboo, or mysterious... it literally refers to a "dark (skinned) beauty".

Which if you follow through in studying up the origins and family of Leto and her children... will make perfect sense. ^^ Despite the (sorry for the term) "white-washing" of ancient Greek literature and (also due to fading) art... as well as the obvious periods of xenophobia (especially in Athens)... Leto and her children were clearly exotic in appearance. I sincerely believe, that if not the original home of this goddess and her worship, that it was the last place and people to worship her in the capacity she was originally intended to play, those people are the Kandake, Nubians (or Ethiopians)... As per their names, the etymology... and the rituals/worship - the entire myth of Leto, as well as the Niobids - are about two tribes of African origin... the myth describes a time when these people (their goddess) fled to Greek lands, where she became thoroughly integrated into the local mythos.

I did try looking at different charts for some clues as to how relative the specific form of beauty was between those with various skin tone as well as ethnicity. But, before my son and nephews interrupted me the only recurring theme I could spot was where certain ethnic celebrities of actual Ethiopian or Nubian heritage - as well as a few with generally beautiful and exotic dark features from other ethnic groups, seemed to have either Sun or Moon in tight positive aspect with Kalisto, I saw a quite a few Q/bQ aspects between Sun and Jupiter to Kallisto in these charts... I also checked them against Artemis and Aphrodite, (just to see if there are often shared connections or not)... I did not find many shared connections at all actually, not as much as I'd hoped. Kalisto functions alone, without Artemis influence in most of those charts I looked over. Not that they didn't have a strong presence of either Artemis or Aphrodite (I just found Kallisto does her own thing quite separately it seems)... there were a few who had more Artemis than I would have imagined. ^^;

Kalisto would appear to me to both relate to specific form of beauty, and specific aspect of both femininity/womanhood, as well as possibly linking to an event that comes with transitioning into a new point in that womanhood/life. I don't see her as representing betrayal or abandonment, so much as representing, a transformation, and/or an irreversible point of change where something near to us (our life or our family), is in need of security, perhaps even a hidden strength, and the gift of resilience. So, like the nymph, and like Kaliste Artemis, perhaps it is "beautiful safety" in a chart- the nurturing mother of the wild, bear mother... our connection to that beautiful wild energy.

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I get the "what's your ethnicity" question a lottt. Darker people call me "fair skinned", white people call me "dark skinned".. genetically nordic/aboriginal,native

This myth seems also to resonate with the virgin/"b*tch goddess"(as my roommate so eloquently puts it) archetype/dichotomy.. Which is a pattern in my own life as I have Lilith conjunct Ascendant and my name asteroid travels closely with Ceres, so it is often conjunct in others' charts.

posted July 11, 2013 03:05 AM            

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Originally posted by WarriorPrincess7:

I am sorry about what happened when you were 19, hope you have healed at least a good amount and found better since then

I think you are right, in my case, Kallisto conjunct ASC, I attracted more than an unwanted amount of CREEPS in my life due to my innocence you can say and beauty. I was never truly "loved" but more obsessed over and used by people with pathetic motives. Then thrown away like garbage. And after the pain and bruises they have done to me, I came out stronger and almost like a "star", which was mentioned in another post. I like Asteroids a lot in general, especially all these nymph/goddesses/mermaids asteroids since most of them have a particular story and i'm sure as girls we can all relate to at least some of them.

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Thank you . My life has been sweeter since. I do think asteroid astrology is very important for us girls. I have found almost every female friend has at least a couple asteroids exact conjunct a majorly active planet/point in their chart and that the myth relates closely with their life experience.