posted November 02, 2013 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

I think Ceri wins because she has two planets conjunct Jung, and Jung is really what matters most of all.

I totally lose because I can't even find what Jung's asteroid number is...so I have no Jung in my chart yet.

ETA:

Oh wait! I found it, it's 11518 for all you readers out there who want to play along

Jung is conjunct my sun-moon midpoint in Aquarius.

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Might as well throw in all of the psychiatrists into this and soon this will become "My orbs are tighter than yours".

posted November 02, 2013 09:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

I think Ceri wins because she has two planets conjunct Jung, and Jung is really what matters most of all.

I totally lose because I can't even find what Jung's asteroid number is...so I have no Jung in my chart yet.

ETA:

Oh wait! I found it, it's 11518 for all you readers out there who want to play along

Jung is conjunct my sun-moon midpoint in Aquarius.

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Of course I win. I always do. No need to shout it from the rooftop.

Just kidding.

But having it on SUn/MOon-mp is not bad either. Whre is your Sun/Moon-mp, it is not conjunct my MOon, is it?

posted November 02, 2013 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Might as well throw in all of the psychiatrists into this and soon this will become "My orbs are tighter than yours".

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You forgot the smiley.

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posted November 02, 2013 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
My orb is tighter than yours. It is exact

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Oh that means your Jung is combust then.

See? I win nevertheless.

posted November 02, 2013 10:00 AM            

However, my Gemini respects your brilliant come back.

PS Combust does not apply to asteroids!

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posted November 02, 2013 10:05 AM            

Be careful though. My Nessus is on your Sun.

"PS Combust does not apply to asteroids!"
Sure it does.
Just - combust has not the effects medieval astrolgoy claims it has.

posted November 02, 2013 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I wonder what my Echo is doing in my chart, she hates to echoing so much, it is almost pathologic. lol

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posted November 02, 2013 10:08 AM            

I never forget this

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posted November 02, 2013 10:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
You forgot the smiley.

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posted November 02, 2013 10:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[b]I wonder what my Echo is doing in my chart, she hates to echoing so much, it is almost pathologic. lol

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posted November 02, 2013 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
There is no need for smileys on the asteroid battleground.

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Never bring a knife to a gunfight, right?

Just heard that quote yesterday on TV. Not sure it applies, but I wanted to quote it.

Oh my God, I just ECHOED.

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posted November 02, 2013 10:38 AM            

Her forte is her loving assistance, even though it is misguided in the myth.
She learns to put someone else before her own desires; you could say that means she loses herself, but as I see it it is just a question of balance, and of how much. She overdid it with the reflecting back other people and taking herself out of the equation to the point she withered.
Narcissus on the other hand was too selfcentred, which became the reason of his demise.

I do think that Echo very much seems to embody whatever touches her. The reason for this is that in a way she has a "void", the void of independent vocal expression (though she can express herself very much in nonverbal ways); she therefore acts as a reflector of what touches her. No that does not mean she really feels it inside, she just reflect it back, so that others may misunderstand her, believing that this is the REAL Echo, while they are just looking into a mirror.

That is the positive thing about Echo in synastry though, the other person can see themselves or a part of themselves in the mirror-reflection that Echo throws back at them.

HOwever, as in the myth with Narcissus, as long as she just reflected him back he was intrigued, he even told her to "join with him"; it was the moment she expressed her OWN desires - nonverbally of course, by hugging him- that he started to shun her.

Example:
my maternal grandmother`s Echo is conjunct my NN

I never knew her, as she died long before I was born, but everyone was always pointing out how similiar we are, how much alike we look, that I started to heavily identify with her, to the point that I almost felt like on some level I "was" her, that I had her responsibilities, those things she could not fulfill anylonger, for being dead; it made me feel guilty about leaving my Mom for example. Because she had to bear this unbearable loss of her mother and her younger brother in young years, even as a chld I was adamant about making it my life mission to "never leave my Mom" (not that she wanted that, I just felt guilty whenever I felt some sot of detachment there).

My life mission that would be the nodal axis.
my grandmother`s Echo brought it to consciousness for me, but like always Echo is reflecting back only a distorted image of the truth.
In this case her Sabian of Echo is most telling:
A Widow's Past Is Brought To Light

However my real pure lifepath is different of course.

Nevertheless by bringing this up and out in the open for evaluation, I could start working with these faulty thoughts, could start working our what my lifepath really means to me personally.
However to become aware of these internal workings it is sometimes necessary to see their reflection.

That is what Echo can do for us in synastry. However, of course it is important to not just nodd and receive what she reflects back thoughtlessly,b ut use it for furthering our wareness of ourselves.

We are not Narcissus, we can grow beyond that Self-gratifying mirroring of our Ego.

Interestingly there is this guy who has his Echo on my SN exactly and conjunct my DESC a little more widely.

I learned so much about what I realy want in relationship through meeting him. And it was not what I thought it would be!
Echo on SN is puzzling, but not so much, in a way he reflects back to me where I have been before, some sort of roots. And that was the predominant feeling I got about him. That there was a link to the past, some roots or similiarities in our past we shared. Something that felt like home.

Now if it was only for Echo, I would say this is not based in fact, but just him reflecting back what was h.ome in MY life

In this case however our IC-rulers are conjunct each other on my ASC, so this very much telling a story about shared or at least familiarity at the womb/ roots o
f life.

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posted November 02, 2013 11:07 AM            

That is the positive thing about Echo in synastry though, the other person can see themselves or a part of themselves in the mirror-reflection that Echo throws back

I can see this as being true that Echo may help reflect back another person's reality but who wants to live like that

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posted November 02, 2013 11:12 AM            

Anyway, Ceri, it is interesting to chew this over as we both love Astrology!

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posted November 02, 2013 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think modern Astrologers try to make everything have a positive spin and this is real disservice because it allows a person not to face himself. Then, he has NO real hope of healing.

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posted November 02, 2013 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
In Modern terms Echo would be the co-dependent. In a relationship, people may like the co-dependent but it gets old because in the end, you want an authentic person who has a personal integrity and Echo does not.

Anyway, Ceri, it is interesting to chew this over as we both love Astrology!

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Luckily, both person`s have an Echo.
And luckily she is not the only thing in a chart there is.
We all have areas where we may be inclined to be co-dependent.
But it is a two way street, the one whose sides are being reflected back, might fall in lvoe with his own image in the mirror.Much like Narcissus. That is the risk of the planet person.

posted November 02, 2013 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
My orb is tighter than yours. It is exact

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Ohhh....Jung is conjunct your south node then?

posted November 02, 2013 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Where there`s light, there´s shadow. And where´s shadow, there`s light. We live in a dual world still.

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Yes.

I hope someone will comment on the fact that Echo was a musician, too. And ran from Pan who killed her for it. Looks like she chose death over yielding.