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Ceridwen
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posted November 10, 2013 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just thinking of a set of planets and asteroids to check for this scenario, when you feel like you have met your lover or soulmate or someone who is to become significant in some way, in your dreams. Often before even meeting them.

Such a comparision would have to revolve around the pairing of Endymion and Selene/Artemis/Diana imo.

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Endymion 342
Selene 580
(Artemis 105)
(Diana 78)


For the "dream"/ Spirit-element I would suggest

Pallas
Soma 2815
Aura 148
Hypnos 14827 (Sleep)
Somnium 3258 (Dream)
Spirit 3452

And since we are talking about love, of course Amor and Valentine, Eros, Psyche and the likes would apply.


Of planets I would place most emphasis on Moon and Neptune.

HOwever naturally the angles, Sun and nodal axis would have to be some part of the interplay, to anchor it in this earthbound dimension.


EDIT:
I put Diana and Artemis in brackets, cause even though they are also associated with the Moon-Goddess, it is really SElene who falls in love with Endymion, while Artemis and Diana are always referred to as Virginal goddesses.

On the other hand some paintings put Endymion together with either Diana or artemis.

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posted November 10, 2013 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Artemis-Discovery actually has an exact trine of Endymion and Selene. Interesting.


Hypnos conjunct VAlentine, and both being trine Somnium.

Diana Discovery

Endymion in Pisces on the peak of a Yod with Artemis and Diana. lol


quadruple conjunction of Sun, Vesta, Valentine and Aura (all in Pisces)


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posted November 10, 2013 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After examining Selene/Endymion in the past I do believe it is connected to astral lovers as well as being a soulmate couple/pairing and the connection is really tied to the subconscious.

Personally I have found there weren't many harsh Neptune connections i.e. Conjunctions, Oppositions, or squares that I would initially except for in one of the two cases:

Both Synastries had Spirit conjunct a version of Eros/Amor/Cupido etc:

Spirit conjunct Eros within 1 orb
Or
Spirit conjunct Amor within 1 orb.

Both have My Valentine sextile his Neptune exact, Valentine/Hypnos, Valentine/NN harsh aspects (conjunction or Square), both have Spirit Sextile Hypnos 1.

Both have Selene/Endymion connected in someway:
Case 1:
J's Selene trine A's Mercury exact
A's Endymion conjunct J's Sun 1 /Mercury exact/Venus
J's Endymion conjunct A's Saturn exact and opp Jupiter exact

Selena/ Endymion DW

A's Endymion sextile J's soma under 2
A's Soma trine J's Selene under 2

Case 2:
P's Endymion trine A's Mars
A's Selene conjunct P's Venus
P's Selene trine A's Mars exact
A's Endymion sextile P's Mars


A's Selene sextile P's Pallas
P's Selene opp A's Pallas
P's Endymion opp A's Pallas exact

P's Selena conjunct A's Uranus 3
P'S Endymion conjunct A's Uranus 1

Soma + Psyche in both cases:

Case 1:
Soma sextile Psyche exact

Case 2:
Eros/Psyche conjunct P's Soma

Selena or Endymion aspectin NN:

Case 1:
A's Selene sq J's NN

Case 2:
A's Endymion conjunct P's NN 1

Valentine + Hypnos:
Case 1 :
Valentine conjunct Hypnos

Case 2:
Valentine sextile Hypnos

Hypnos + Luminary:
Case 1:
A's Sun sq J's Hypnos

Case 2:
A's Moon sq P's Hypnos exact

Soma + Luminary:
Case 1:
A's soma trine J's Moon

Case 2:
Ps Soma conjunct A's Moon exact.

Hypnos + Mars:
Case 1:
A's Hypnos sq J'S Mars exact
J's Hypnos opp A's Mars 3

A's Hypnos sextile J's Hypnos exact
Case 2:
P's Hypnos trine A's Mars exact
A's Hypnos conjunct P's Hypnos 1

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posted November 10, 2013 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ail221:
After examining Selene/Endymion in the past I do believe it is connected to astral lovers as well as being a soulmate couple/pairing and the connection is really tied to the subconscious.


That was my hypothesis as well.

Though if strongly configured to the angles, it might be pulled into the consciousness, given the appropriate triggers (transits).
But of course it has to be strong and tight!

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posted November 10, 2013 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Transits when first met:


A's Natal Transits:
Asc sq tr. Selene/Endymion exact
Endymion sextile tr Sun exact
Moon sq tr Endymion exact
Selene sq tr Moon exact
Aura conjunct tr Mercury 1
Venus conjunct tr Psyche 3
Mars sq tr Somnium exact

Soma conjunct Tr. Somnium 3
NN/MC conjunct tr Pallas exact
NN/MC opp Tr Somnium
Valentine sq tr Somnium/Pallas 1
Pallas sq tr Soma exact
Hypnos opp tr Endymion exact
Hypnos opp tr Neptune 1
Spirit conjunct tr NN 1
Eros/Psyche sq Tr Neptune 1
Eros/Psyche sq Tr Selene/Endymion 2-3
Selene conjunct tr Vesta exact


P's Natal Transits when met A:
Sun sq tr Sun exact
Mars sq tr Aura exact
Mars opp tr Hypnos exact
Venus opp tr Somnium exact
Mars conjunct tr Valentine exact
Spirit conjunct tr Valentine 1
Eros sq tr Moon/mercury

Natal Pallas conjunct tr mars exact
Natal Pallas conjunct tr saturn/BML 1
Pallas opp Tr. Soma 2
Psyche conjunct tr Neptune/Chiron/Ceres
Psyche conjunct tr Eros within 2
Psyche conjunct tr Endymion exact

Valentine sq tr pallas exact
Selene/Endymion sq Tr Mars exact/ Uranus 1
Selene/endymion sq Tr bml 1
Selene/Endymion sq tr soma 1
Selena sextile tr Endymion exact
Soma sq tr Endymion exact
Hypnos opp tr chiron exact
Hypnos opp tr endymion 1
Somnium conjunct tr pallas 1-2
Somnium opp tr Somnium exact

When A met J:
Eros/Psyche quincunx tr venus exact
Eros/Psyche sq Tr Neptune/Chiron/Selene with 1-2
Grand trine between Natal Asc/Eros/Psyche trine Tr Moon/Soma/Aura/Spirit
Moon sq tr selene 1
Venus sq Tr Soma 1
Mars opp tr Valentine
Uranus conjunct tr Endymion 1
Natal valentine conjunct tr Juno exact
Natal Valentine conjunct tr valentine
Valentine sextile Tr Endymion exact
Selene conjunct tr Moon exact
Selene conjunct tr Aura 3
Selene sq tr Venus 1
Endymion sq tr Sun
Endymion opp tr somnium 1
Hypnos conjunct tr Selene exact
Hypnos quintile tr hypnos exact
Soma sq tr Valentine exact
Somnium opp tr mercury exact
Mc/NN sq tr Valentine 2

J'S Natal transits:
Psyche conjunct natal Pallas exact
Tr Valentine conjunct natal Pluto exact
Sun/Venus/Mercury opp tr Somnium exact
Eros conjunct tr Pluto/NN
Eros sq tr Uranus 2
Eros sq tr Uranus/Soma/Spirit 3
Psyche opp tr Mars 2
Psyche opp Tr Eros 1
Eros/Selene DW 1
Selene/Mars DW exact
Selene opp Tr Saturn 1
Endymion conjunct tr Aura 3
Soma sq tr Mars 3
Soma conjunct tr BML 1
Soma sq Tr Pallas exact
Soma opp tr Juno 1
Hypnos sq tr Moon exact
Hypnos conjunct tr Venus exact
Somnium conjunct tr Mars 2
Somnium sq tr BML 1
Somnium conjunct tr pallas exact
Somnium conjunct tr eros 3
Natal MC sq tr eros 1
Saturn conjunct tr Eros 1
Chiron conjunct tr Eros exact
Juno conjunct tr Eros 1
Psyche opp natal Uranus exact

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posted November 11, 2013 05:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavender CrystalSwan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I've always found Selene/Artemis/Diana~Endymion to be strongly involved in "dream-time lovers" synastry & composite.
Its my new favorite pair!

Plus I think it'd also be relevant to check for linked-aspects involving Selene/Artemis/Diana/Endymion to the spiritual/astral asteroids as well in synastry.

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posted November 11, 2013 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am still a bit hesitant about Artemis and Diana though. Even though in my own chart Endymion is conjunct Artemis.

I still think though it really was Selene who is part of the couple.

I mean there are SO many Moon goddesses, and Artemis and Diana really were virginal (even in modern sense) goddesses. Certainly not interested in intimate relationships, so it doesn´t feel quite right using them as part of the pair, no matter how much Endymion is conjunct Artemis inm y chart.

Endyimion is sextile Selene exactly, too, so I guess that`s jsut that.

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posted November 11, 2013 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah423     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For whatever it's worth, I had forgotten that I used to dream about my now-ex (we were together almost 8 years) before I met him. My Endymion is in my 7th house, and his Selene conjuncts it.

As for my current interest, the main pattern I see so far is that we have a fairly tight (1 orb) Vesta conjunction. His Endymion quintiles my Vesta and my Selene quintiles his Vesta, both at 0.

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posted November 11, 2013 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for black_rose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've dreamt of every significant love person in my life before meeting them. The first time it seemed magical, but bnow when I get THE dream I'm like "F*CK" :P

My Endymion and Selene are conjunct Eros and my chart ruler, Venus in the second house.

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posted November 11, 2013 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How did I sense this before even LOOKING at the first meeting chart?


my Tr name: 8 Pisces
(same degree as my name in his chart incidentally; hsi name in his chart is opposite on 10 Virgo)
Tr Selene: 10 Pisces
my pr Psyche: 7 Pisces
his Eros: 8 Pisces
his pr Psyche: 6 Pisces


his Tr name: 8 Gemini
Tr Endymion: 8 Gemini

also his pr Selene: 24 Pisces
his ASC: 25 Pisces
my Endymion: 25 Pisces

pr composite Endymion on 8 Gemini, too. lol conj. Tr Endymion exact (Endymion Return!)
pr composite Selene on the antiscion of Tr Selene

all tied to our names.

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posted November 12, 2013 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
only limited it to the important ones.

Double Whammies
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1a)
my Selene trine his Saturn (2)

Taurus - Virgo (Earth)
my 6th - my 9th
his 2nd - his 7th (conj.)

1b)
my Saturn trine his Selene (0)

Cancer - Pisces (Water)
my 8th - my 3rd
his 5th (conj.) - his 12th


linked pairings
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1a)
my Endymion trine his Juno (2)

Pisces - Cancer (Water)
my 3rd - my 8th
his 1st (conj.) - his 5th

1b)
my Juno conjunct his Selene (0)

Pisces (Water)
my 3rd
his 12th

pairing: my Endymion - his Selene
linked through: Juno

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2a)
my Endymion opposite his Saturn (1)

Pisces - Virgo (mutable)
my 3rd - my 9th
his 1st (conj.)k - his 7th (conj.)


2b)
my Saturn trine his Selene (0)

Cancer - Pisces (water)
my 8th - my 3rd
his 5th (conj.) - his 12th

pairing: my Endymion - his Selene
link: Saturn

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I used very tight orbs, 2 degrees, and only with the conjunction up to 3, but I think I did not even use that. lol


EDIT:
Also I just noticed:

his Endymion quinkunx my Mr Sag (0)
Leo - Capricorn
my 8th - my 2nd (conj.)
his 6th - his 10th (widely conj. 11th)

his Selene sextile my Ceri (0)
Pisces - Taurus
my 3rd - my 5th
his 12th - his 2nd (conj. 2nd cups)


I never noticed that before, how his name in my chart is conjunct my 2nd cusp, and my name in my chart is conjunct HIS 2nd cusp. Interesting.


In my chart his name on 13 Cap is widely trine my name on 16 Taurus (3°08)

In his chart they are opposite from 10 Virgo (his name) to 9 Pisces (my name) (1°16)


Because this is so, they are exactly quinkunx in composite

his name on 12°08 Scorpio in 9th house (conj. Uranus on 12°23)
quinkunx
my name on 13°04° Aries in 2nd house
(conj. Eris on 13°16)

Sabian for his name in composite:
An Inventor Performs A Laboratory Experiment

Sabian for my name in composite:
A Serpent Coiling Near A Man And A Woman


His name in my chart:
An Ancient Bas-Relief Carved In Granite Remains A Witness To A Long-Forgotten Culture


My name in his chart:
An Aviator Pursues His Journey, Flying Through Ground-Obscuring Clouds

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posted November 12, 2013 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the "dreamy"-asteroids: Pallas/Spirit, Soma/Aura, Hypnos/Somnium

Double Whammies:
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1a)
my Pallas trine his Soma (2)
Aquarius - Gemini
my 2nd - my 7th (conj.)
his 12th (conj.) - his 2nd

1b)
my Soma square his Pallas (0)
Scorpio - Aquarius
my 12th - my 2nd (conj. 3rd)
his 8th - his 12th


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2a)
my Soma sextile his Venus (1)

Scorpio - Capricorn
my 12th - my 2nd
his 8th - his 11th

2b)
my Venus quinkunx his Soma (1)

Capricorn - Gemini
my 1st - my 7th (conj.)
his 10th - his 2nd


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3a)
my Soma trine his ASC (1)
Scorpio - Pisces
my 12th - my 3rd
his 8th - his 1st

3b)
my DESC conjunct his Soma (0)
Gemini
my 7th
his 2nd

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4a)
my Spirit trine his Chiron (1)
Capricorn - Taurus
my 1st - my 5th
his 10th - his 2nd

4b)
my Chiron opposite his Spirit (0)
Aries - Libra
my 4th - my 10th
his 1st - his 7th


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5a)
my Somnium quink. his Venus (0)
Leo - Cap
my 8th (conj. 9th) - my 2nd
his 6th - his 11th

5b)
my Venus conjunct his Somnium (0)
Cap
my 1st
his 10th


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posted November 12, 2013 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
linked pairings
----------------

1a)
my Pallas quinkunx his Amor (0)
Aquarius - Virgo
my 2nd - my 9th
his 12th (conj.) - his 6th

1b)
my Psyche conjunct his Pallas (0)
Aquarius
my 2nd
his 12th

pairing: his Amor - my Psyche
link: Pallas

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2a)
my Soma trine his Juno (2)
Scorpio - Cancer
my 12th - my 8th
his 8th - his 5th

2b)
my Juno conjunct his Aura (1)
Pisces
my 3rd
his 12th

pairing: my Soma - his Aura
link: Juno

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3a)
my Soma sextile his Venus (0)
Scorpio - Cap
my 12th - my 2nd
his 8th - his 11th

3b)
my Mars opposite his Soma (2)
Sag - Gemini
my 12th - my 7th (conj.)
his 8th - his 2nd

pairing: my Mars - his Venus
link: Soma


-------------------------

4a)
my soma sextile his Saturn (2)
Scorpio - Virgo
my 12th - my 9th
his 8th - his 7th (conj.)


4b)
my Saturn trine his Aura (1)
Cancer - Pisces
my 8th - my 3rd
his 5th (conj.) - his 12th

pairing: my Soma - his Aura
link: Saturn


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5a)
my Aura quinkunx his Lust (1)
Aries - Scorpio
my 4th (conj.) - my 11th
his 1st - his 7th

5b)
my Lust opposite his Soma (0)
Sagittarius - Gemini
my 1st (conj.) - my 7th (conj.)
his 8th - his 2nd

pairing: my Aura - his Soma
link: Lust

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posted November 12, 2013 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How effective have you found selena h56 to be?

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posted November 12, 2013 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don`t use hypothetical objects.

So that means I do not have any experience. Funny enough in the Davison:

Endymion conjunct Neptune, opposes Spirit conjunct Mercury, and both square your mentioned h56, Selene, which is conjunct Atropos on 13 Virgo EXACT.


Nope it is a hypothetical object, so it could exist or maybe not. It could hae the orbit, they use for it, or it could not. Too vague for me personally.

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posted November 12, 2013 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 12, 2013 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.

Many things in my life have come to me in dreams. The one i felt so drawn to and he as well, not even in romantic or sexual level. Just drawn to each other. I still see him in my dreams from time to time, although we keep in touch just a few times a year. We did share an exact Moon - SN conjunction though. The other way around it was an exact Sun - NN square. That may add.

But:

Him - Me.

Saturn conjunct Selene exact

Endymion opposite Moon exact (on his NN)
Endymion trine Mercury exact
Endymion trine Venus 1
Endymion trine Mars 1

Selene conjunct Endymion 2
Selene conjunct NN 1

Other things interesting:

Soma opposite Spirit exact both ways, DW
Hypnos conjunct Moon 1
Somnium trine Moon 1
Somnium conjunct Aura 1
Diana conjunct SN exact
Diana opposite Endymion exact
Atlantis conjunct Chiron exact
Atlantis opposite Selene 1


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posted November 12, 2013 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With Mr.Uranus, i've been telling here of him, how we met after my dreams and how that meeting has totally changed my life.

He - Me

Sun sextile Endymion exact
Sun opposite Hypnos 2

Venus opposite Soma, conjunct my DSC exact

Selene conjunct Saturn 2
Selene square Aura exact
Endymion square Aura exact

Aura sextile Aura exact

Spirit opposite Atlantis exact

Atlantis conjunct Atlantis 1

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posted November 12, 2013 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anno_lucis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this thread is a really weird coincidence, or not, knowing ceri haha. but i have been thinking about this a lot recently as i believe i have met one or two of my guides from my very early obe's.

i will be back to this thread to post the synastries.

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posted November 12, 2013 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Case 1 Davidson:
Endymion sextile Selene exact

Checked Davidson Chart with Case two:

Endymion conjunct Selene (580) o___O
Endymion quincunx Selena (H56) O___o

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Thanks Ceridwen, this is an awesome thread here are my aspects with my boyfr. I understand why I see him so many times in my dreams esp. when he is in another City.
ALL ASPECTS UNDER 2 DEGREES.
His Hypnos conj. MY ASC,BML,VALENTINE AND AMOR! SQ. Mercury, opp. Neptune, TRine PLUTO.

HIS SOMA SQ. MY CHIRON EXACT, TRINE ENDYMION, , SQ. TO SELENE.

HIS ENDYMION CONJ. MY CHIRON EXACT.
HIS DIANA TRINE MY MERCURY

HIS EROS/MARS IS EXACT. CONJ. TO MY SOMNIUM .

HIS PSYCHE IS CONJ. MY SOMA, DIANA,ENDYMION,SEX. TO MY SELENE EXACT. AND SQ. TO MY ARTEMIS.

MY PSYCHE IS EXACT. TRINE HIS SOMNIUM /SUN
MY SOMNIUM IS EXACT. OPP HIS MOON

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posted November 14, 2013 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lisalisa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's the artist of the 3rd painting?

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posted November 14, 2013 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lisalisa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His artemis conjunct my ic

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About the term "virgin" goddesses: In mythological context, they mean women who were independent from men. They still had sex, but chose not to marry. I hope that Diana and Artemis asteroids can still be used with these in mind. Selene and Endymion are correct. As with the other those asteroids, I think they're worth a try.

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About the term "virgin" goddesses: In mythological context, they mean women who were independent from men. They still had sex, but chose not to marry. I hope that Diana and Artemis asteroids can still be used with these in mind. Selene and Endymion are correct. As with the other those asteroids, I think they're worth a try.

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