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Topic: Dream-lovers or love in a dream
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 9788 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 10, 2013 12:15 PM
I was just thinking of a set of planets and asteroids to check for this scenario, when you feel like you have met your lover or soulmate or someone who is to become significant in some way, in your dreams. Often before even meeting them.Such a comparision would have to revolve around the pairing of Endymion and Selene/Artemis/Diana imo. [/URL] [ [/URL]
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Endymion 342 Selene 580 (Artemis 105) (Diana 78) For the "dream"/ Spirit-element I would suggest
Pallas Soma 2815 Aura 148 Hypnos 14827 (Sleep) Somnium 3258 (Dream) Spirit 3452 And since we are talking about love, of course Amor and Valentine, Eros, Psyche and the likes would apply. Of planets I would place most emphasis on Moon and Neptune.
HOwever naturally the angles, Sun and nodal axis would have to be some part of the interplay, to anchor it in this earthbound dimension. EDIT: I put Diana and Artemis in brackets, cause even though they are also associated with the Moon-Goddess, it is really SElene who falls in love with Endymion, while Artemis and Diana are always referred to as Virginal goddesses.
On the other hand some paintings put Endymion together with either Diana or artemis. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 9788 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 10, 2013 12:34 PM
Artemis-Discovery actually has an exact trine of Endymion and Selene. Interesting. Hypnos conjunct VAlentine, and both being trine Somnium.
Diana Discovery Endymion in Pisces on the peak of a Yod with Artemis and Diana. lol quadruple conjunction of Sun, Vesta, Valentine and Aura (all in Pisces)
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ail221 Moderator Posts: 3818 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted November 10, 2013 02:43 PM
After examining Selene/Endymion in the past I do believe it is connected to astral lovers as well as being a soulmate couple/pairing and the connection is really tied to the subconscious.Personally I have found there weren't many harsh Neptune connections i.e. Conjunctions, Oppositions, or squares that I would initially except for in one of the two cases: Both Synastries had Spirit conjunct a version of Eros/Amor/Cupido etc: Spirit conjunct Eros within 1 orb Or Spirit conjunct Amor within 1 orb. Both have My Valentine sextile his Neptune exact, Valentine/Hypnos, Valentine/NN harsh aspects (conjunction or Square), both have Spirit Sextile Hypnos 1. Both have Selene/Endymion connected in someway: Case 1: J's Selene trine A's Mercury exact A's Endymion conjunct J's Sun 1 /Mercury exact/Venus J's Endymion conjunct A's Saturn exact and opp Jupiter exact Selena/ Endymion DW A's Endymion sextile J's soma under 2 A's Soma trine J's Selene under 2 Case 2: P's Endymion trine A's Mars A's Selene conjunct P's Venus P's Selene trine A's Mars exact A's Endymion sextile P's Mars A's Selene sextile P's Pallas P's Selene opp A's Pallas P's Endymion opp A's Pallas exact
P's Selena conjunct A's Uranus 3 P'S Endymion conjunct A's Uranus 1 Soma + Psyche in both cases: Case 1: Soma sextile Psyche exact Case 2: Eros/Psyche conjunct P's Soma Selena or Endymion aspectin NN: Case 1: A's Selene sq J's NN Case 2: A's Endymion conjunct P's NN 1 Valentine + Hypnos: Case 1 : Valentine conjunct Hypnos Case 2: Valentine sextile Hypnos Hypnos + Luminary: Case 1: A's Sun sq J's Hypnos Case 2: A's Moon sq P's Hypnos exact Soma + Luminary: Case 1: A's soma trine J's Moon Case 2: Ps Soma conjunct A's Moon exact. Hypnos + Mars: Case 1: A's Hypnos sq J'S Mars exact J's Hypnos opp A's Mars 3 A's Hypnos sextile J's Hypnos exact Case 2: P's Hypnos trine A's Mars exact A's Hypnos conjunct P's Hypnos 1
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 9788 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 10, 2013 02:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by ail221: After examining Selene/Endymion in the past I do believe it is connected to astral lovers as well as being a soulmate couple/pairing and the connection is really tied to the subconscious.
That was my hypothesis as well. Though if strongly configured to the angles, it might be pulled into the consciousness, given the appropriate triggers (transits). But of course it has to be strong and tight! IP: Logged |
ail221 Moderator Posts: 3818 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted November 10, 2013 04:47 PM
Transits when first met: A's Natal Transits: Asc sq tr. Selene/Endymion exact Endymion sextile tr Sun exact Moon sq tr Endymion exact Selene sq tr Moon exact Aura conjunct tr Mercury 1 Venus conjunct tr Psyche 3 Mars sq tr Somnium exact
Soma conjunct Tr. Somnium 3 NN/MC conjunct tr Pallas exact NN/MC opp Tr Somnium Valentine sq tr Somnium/Pallas 1 Pallas sq tr Soma exact Hypnos opp tr Endymion exact Hypnos opp tr Neptune 1 Spirit conjunct tr NN 1 Eros/Psyche sq Tr Neptune 1 Eros/Psyche sq Tr Selene/Endymion 2-3 Selene conjunct tr Vesta exact P's Natal Transits when met A: Sun sq tr Sun exact Mars sq tr Aura exact Mars opp tr Hypnos exact Venus opp tr Somnium exact Mars conjunct tr Valentine exact Spirit conjunct tr Valentine 1 Eros sq tr Moon/mercury
Natal Pallas conjunct tr mars exact Natal Pallas conjunct tr saturn/BML 1 Pallas opp Tr. Soma 2 Psyche conjunct tr Neptune/Chiron/Ceres Psyche conjunct tr Eros within 2 Psyche conjunct tr Endymion exact Valentine sq tr pallas exact Selene/Endymion sq Tr Mars exact/ Uranus 1 Selene/endymion sq Tr bml 1 Selene/Endymion sq tr soma 1 Selena sextile tr Endymion exact Soma sq tr Endymion exact Hypnos opp tr chiron exact Hypnos opp tr endymion 1 Somnium conjunct tr pallas 1-2 Somnium opp tr Somnium exact When A met J: Eros/Psyche quincunx tr venus exact Eros/Psyche sq Tr Neptune/Chiron/Selene with 1-2 Grand trine between Natal Asc/Eros/Psyche trine Tr Moon/Soma/Aura/Spirit Moon sq tr selene 1 Venus sq Tr Soma 1 Mars opp tr Valentine Uranus conjunct tr Endymion 1 Natal valentine conjunct tr Juno exact Natal Valentine conjunct tr valentine Valentine sextile Tr Endymion exact Selene conjunct tr Moon exact Selene conjunct tr Aura 3 Selene sq tr Venus 1 Endymion sq tr Sun Endymion opp tr somnium 1 Hypnos conjunct tr Selene exact Hypnos quintile tr hypnos exact Soma sq tr Valentine exact Somnium opp tr mercury exact Mc/NN sq tr Valentine 2 J'S Natal transits: Psyche conjunct natal Pallas exact Tr Valentine conjunct natal Pluto exact Sun/Venus/Mercury opp tr Somnium exact Eros conjunct tr Pluto/NN Eros sq tr Uranus 2 Eros sq tr Uranus/Soma/Spirit 3 Psyche opp tr Mars 2 Psyche opp Tr Eros 1 Eros/Selene DW 1 Selene/Mars DW exact Selene opp Tr Saturn 1 Endymion conjunct tr Aura 3 Soma sq tr Mars 3 Soma conjunct tr BML 1 Soma sq Tr Pallas exact Soma opp tr Juno 1 Hypnos sq tr Moon exact Hypnos conjunct tr Venus exact Somnium conjunct tr Mars 2 Somnium sq tr BML 1 Somnium conjunct tr pallas exact Somnium conjunct tr eros 3 Natal MC sq tr eros 1 Saturn conjunct tr Eros 1 Chiron conjunct tr Eros exact Juno conjunct tr Eros 1 Psyche opp natal Uranus exact
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Lavender CrystalSwan Knowflake Posts: 467 From: Canada Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 11, 2013 05:04 AM
Yes, I've always found Selene/Artemis/Diana~Endymion to be strongly involved in "dream-time lovers" synastry & composite. Its my new favorite pair! Plus I think it'd also be relevant to check for linked-aspects involving Selene/Artemis/Diana/Endymion to the spiritual/astral asteroids as well in synastry. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 9788 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 11, 2013 06:03 AM
I am still a bit hesitant about Artemis and Diana though. Even though in my own chart Endymion is conjunct Artemis. I still think though it really was Selene who is part of the couple. I mean there are SO many Moon goddesses, and Artemis and Diana really were virginal (even in modern sense) goddesses. Certainly not interested in intimate relationships, so it doesn´t feel quite right using them as part of the pair, no matter how much Endymion is conjunct Artemis inm y chart. Endyimion is sextile Selene exactly, too, so I guess that`s jsut that. IP: Logged |
Delilah423 Knowflake Posts: 41 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted November 11, 2013 11:09 AM
For whatever it's worth, I had forgotten that I used to dream about my now-ex (we were together almost 8 years) before I met him. My Endymion is in my 7th house, and his Selene conjuncts it.As for my current interest, the main pattern I see so far is that we have a fairly tight (1 orb) Vesta conjunction. His Endymion quintiles my Vesta and my Selene quintiles his Vesta, both at 0. IP: Logged |
black_rose Knowflake Posts: 58 From: Registered: Dec 2012
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posted November 11, 2013 03:27 PM
I've dreamt of every significant love person in my life before meeting them. The first time it seemed magical, but bnow when I get THE dream I'm like "F*CK" :PMy Endymion and Selene are conjunct Eros and my chart ruler, Venus in the second house. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 9788 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 11, 2013 04:27 PM
How did I sense this before even LOOKING at the first meeting chart? my Tr name: 8 Pisces (same degree as my name in his chart incidentally; hsi name in his chart is opposite on 10 Virgo) Tr Selene: 10 Pisces my pr Psyche: 7 Pisces his Eros: 8 Pisces his pr Psyche: 6 Pisces
his Tr name: 8 Gemini Tr Endymion: 8 Gemini
also his pr Selene: 24 Pisces his ASC: 25 Pisces my Endymion: 25 Pisces pr composite Endymion on 8 Gemini, too. lol conj. Tr Endymion exact (Endymion Return!) pr composite Selene on the antiscion of Tr Selene all tied to our names. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 9788 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 12, 2013 09:17 AM
only limited it to the important ones.Double Whammies ----------------- 1a) my Selene trine his Saturn (2) Taurus - Virgo (Earth) my 6th - my 9th his 2nd - his 7th (conj.) 1b) my Saturn trine his Selene (0) Cancer - Pisces (Water) my 8th - my 3rd his 5th (conj.) - his 12th linked pairings ----------------
1a) my Endymion trine his Juno (2) Pisces - Cancer (Water) my 3rd - my 8th his 1st (conj.) - his 5th 1b) my Juno conjunct his Selene (0) Pisces (Water) my 3rd his 12th pairing: my Endymion - his Selene linked through: Juno ---------------------------- 2a) my Endymion opposite his Saturn (1) Pisces - Virgo (mutable) my 3rd - my 9th his 1st (conj.)k - his 7th (conj.) 2b) my Saturn trine his Selene (0)
Cancer - Pisces (water) my 8th - my 3rd his 5th (conj.) - his 12th pairing: my Endymion - his Selene link: Saturn ----------------------- I used very tight orbs, 2 degrees, and only with the conjunction up to 3, but I think I did not even use that. lol EDIT: Also I just noticed:
his Endymion quinkunx my Mr Sag (0) Leo - Capricorn my 8th - my 2nd (conj.) his 6th - his 10th (widely conj. 11th) his Selene sextile my Ceri (0) Pisces - Taurus my 3rd - my 5th his 12th - his 2nd (conj. 2nd cups) I never noticed that before, how his name in my chart is conjunct my 2nd cusp, and my name in my chart is conjunct HIS 2nd cusp. Interesting.
In my chart his name on 13 Cap is widely trine my name on 16 Taurus (3°08)
In his chart they are opposite from 10 Virgo (his name) to 9 Pisces (my name) (1°16) Because this is so, they are exactly quinkunx in composite
his name on 12°08 Scorpio in 9th house (conj. Uranus on 12°23) quinkunx my name on 13°04° Aries in 2nd house (conj. Eris on 13°16) Sabian for his name in composite: An Inventor Performs A Laboratory Experiment Sabian for my name in composite: A Serpent Coiling Near A Man And A Woman His name in my chart: An Ancient Bas-Relief Carved In Granite Remains A Witness To A Long-Forgotten Culture
My name in his chart: An Aviator Pursues His Journey, Flying Through Ground-Obscuring Clouds
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 9788 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 12, 2013 09:45 AM
For the "dreamy"-asteroids: Pallas/Spirit, Soma/Aura, Hypnos/SomniumDouble Whammies: ----------------- ------------------- 1a) my Pallas trine his Soma (2) Aquarius - Gemini my 2nd - my 7th (conj.) his 12th (conj.) - his 2nd 1b) my Soma square his Pallas (0) Scorpio - Aquarius my 12th - my 2nd (conj. 3rd) his 8th - his 12th -------------------------
2a) my Soma sextile his Venus (1) Scorpio - Capricorn my 12th - my 2nd his 8th - his 11th 2b) my Venus quinkunx his Soma (1) Capricorn - Gemini my 1st - my 7th (conj.) his 10th - his 2nd -------------------------
3a) my Soma trine his ASC (1) Scorpio - Pisces my 12th - my 3rd his 8th - his 1st 3b) my DESC conjunct his Soma (0) Gemini my 7th his 2nd ----------------------- 4a) my Spirit trine his Chiron (1) Capricorn - Taurus my 1st - my 5th his 10th - his 2nd 4b) my Chiron opposite his Spirit (0) Aries - Libra my 4th - my 10th his 1st - his 7th -----------------------
5a) my Somnium quink. his Venus (0) Leo - Cap my 8th (conj. 9th) - my 2nd his 6th - his 11th 5b) my Venus conjunct his Somnium (0) Cap my 1st his 10th
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 9788 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 12, 2013 09:46 AM
linked pairings ----------------1a) my Pallas quinkunx his Amor (0) Aquarius - Virgo my 2nd - my 9th his 12th (conj.) - his 6th 1b) my Psyche conjunct his Pallas (0) Aquarius my 2nd his 12th pairing: his Amor - my Psyche link: Pallas ---------------------- 2a) my Soma trine his Juno (2) Scorpio - Cancer my 12th - my 8th his 8th - his 5th 2b) my Juno conjunct his Aura (1) Pisces my 3rd his 12th pairing: my Soma - his Aura link: Juno ---------------------- 3a) my Soma sextile his Venus (0) Scorpio - Cap my 12th - my 2nd his 8th - his 11th 3b) my Mars opposite his Soma (2) Sag - Gemini my 12th - my 7th (conj.) his 8th - his 2nd pairing: my Mars - his Venus link: Soma -------------------------
4a) my soma sextile his Saturn (2) Scorpio - Virgo my 12th - my 9th his 8th - his 7th (conj.) 4b) my Saturn trine his Aura (1) Cancer - Pisces my 8th - my 3rd his 5th (conj.) - his 12th
pairing: my Soma - his Aura link: Saturn ------------------------ 5a) my Aura quinkunx his Lust (1) Aries - Scorpio my 4th (conj.) - my 11th his 1st - his 7th
5b) my Lust opposite his Soma (0) Sagittarius - Gemini my 1st (conj.) - my 7th (conj.) his 8th - his 2nd pairing: my Aura - his Soma link: Lust
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ail221 Moderator Posts: 3818 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted November 12, 2013 02:30 PM
How effective have you found selena h56 to be?IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 9788 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 12, 2013 03:45 PM
I don`t use hypothetical objects. So that means I do not have any experience. Funny enough in the Davison: Endymion conjunct Neptune, opposes Spirit conjunct Mercury, and both square your mentioned h56, Selene, which is conjunct Atropos on 13 Virgo EXACT. Nope it is a hypothetical object, so it could exist or maybe not. It could hae the orbit, they use for it, or it could not. Too vague for me personally.
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 9788 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 12, 2013 03:53 PM
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Selene Knowflake Posts: 423 From: Registered: Apr 2013
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posted November 12, 2013 05:42 PM
Interesting. Many things in my life have come to me in dreams. The one i felt so drawn to and he as well, not even in romantic or sexual level. Just drawn to each other. I still see him in my dreams from time to time, although we keep in touch just a few times a year. We did share an exact Moon - SN conjunction though. The other way around it was an exact Sun - NN square. That may add. But: Him - Me. Saturn conjunct Selene exact Endymion opposite Moon exact (on his NN) Endymion trine Mercury exact Endymion trine Venus 1 Endymion trine Mars 1 Selene conjunct Endymion 2 Selene conjunct NN 1 Other things interesting: Soma opposite Spirit exact both ways, DW Hypnos conjunct Moon 1 Somnium trine Moon 1 Somnium conjunct Aura 1 Diana conjunct SN exact Diana opposite Endymion exact Atlantis conjunct Chiron exact Atlantis opposite Selene 1
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Selene Knowflake Posts: 423 From: Registered: Apr 2013
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posted November 12, 2013 05:49 PM
With Mr.Uranus, i've been telling here of him, how we met after my dreams and how that meeting has totally changed my life.He - Me Sun sextile Endymion exact Sun opposite Hypnos 2 Venus opposite Soma, conjunct my DSC exact Selene conjunct Saturn 2 Selene square Aura exact Endymion square Aura exact Aura sextile Aura exact Spirit opposite Atlantis exact Atlantis conjunct Atlantis 1 IP: Logged |
anno_lucis Knowflake Posts: 941 From: the atman Registered: Mar 2012
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posted November 12, 2013 06:09 PM
this thread is a really weird coincidence, or not, knowing ceri haha. but i have been thinking about this a lot recently as i believe i have met one or two of my guides from my very early obe's.i will be back to this thread to post the synastries. IP: Logged |
ail221 Moderator Posts: 3818 From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon Registered: Feb 2012
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posted November 12, 2013 07:01 PM
Case 1 Davidson: Endymion sextile Selene exactChecked Davidson Chart with Case two: Endymion conjunct Selene (580) o___O Endymion quincunx Selena (H56) O___o
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olgatheo Knowflake Posts: 159 From: Pluto Registered: Nov 2012
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posted November 14, 2013 08:38 AM
Thanks Ceridwen, this is an awesome thread here are my aspects with my boyfr. I understand why I see him so many times in my dreams esp. when he is in another City. ALL ASPECTS UNDER 2 DEGREES. His Hypnos conj. MY ASC,BML,VALENTINE AND AMOR! SQ. Mercury, opp. Neptune, TRine PLUTO.HIS SOMA SQ. MY CHIRON EXACT, TRINE ENDYMION, , SQ. TO SELENE. HIS ENDYMION CONJ. MY CHIRON EXACT. HIS DIANA TRINE MY MERCURY HIS EROS/MARS IS EXACT. CONJ. TO MY SOMNIUM . HIS PSYCHE IS CONJ. MY SOMA, DIANA,ENDYMION,SEX. TO MY SELENE EXACT. AND SQ. TO MY ARTEMIS. MY PSYCHE IS EXACT. TRINE HIS SOMNIUM /SUN MY SOMNIUM IS EXACT. OPP HIS MOON IP: Logged |
lisalisa Knowflake Posts: 397 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted November 14, 2013 08:48 PM
What's the artist of the 3rd painting?IP: Logged |
lisalisa Knowflake Posts: 397 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted November 14, 2013 08:50 PM
His artemis conjunct my ic
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naturalbeige Knowflake Posts: 213 From: Portland, OR Registered: Jul 2010
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posted November 15, 2013 07:46 PM
About the term "virgin" goddesses: In mythological context, they mean women who were independent from men. They still had sex, but chose not to marry. I hope that Diana and Artemis asteroids can still be used with these in mind. Selene and Endymion are correct. As with the other those asteroids, I think they're worth a try.IP: Logged |
naturalbeige Knowflake Posts: 213 From: Portland, OR Registered: Jul 2010
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posted November 15, 2013 09:48 PM
About the term "virgin" goddesses: In mythological context, they mean women who were independent from men. They still had sex, but chose not to marry. I hope that Diana and Artemis asteroids can still be used with these in mind. Selene and Endymion are correct. As with the other those asteroids, I think they're worth a try.IP: Logged |