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@ Gembird, I think Excalibur - the sword that would cut steel - signifies a point of strength and invincibility in one's chart. It may lend strength to planets or asteroids. According to legend, the scabbard too had magical properties. Wearing the scabbard prevented a person from bleeding.

Excalibur conjunct Knight makes good sense. You are at your strongest when doing good, cutting through dross, defending your beliefs.


@ Gabby, my Excalibur is at 27.37 Virgo, conjunct yours.
Mine is exactly half way between Jupiter and Neptune - semi-sextile both. Good support system?

But it squares Pallas (26.35) and Sun/Moon pt (26.57) at the GC. Now I'm stumped!


iQ pointed out to me Excalibur can show a place you need to protect yourself, his exact words were "shields up" regarding the things that conjunct Excalibur...so as you express the things that are conjunct Excalibur, your Devine quest in life, you must also make sure your guarding yourself from danger.

The square would create stress and frustration regarding your Devine quest, and potentially your ability to protect yourself.
The fact that the square is with Pallas which relates to
Creative Intelligence and Pyschic/Telepathic Powers makes me think your creativity or your psychic abilities could somehow inhibit your Excalibur mission.
If you think about that, Virgo is not the sign of intuition it's all about the facts, small details and the physical mind and Pallas is all about intuition and psychic awareness like Pisces or Neptune....Virgos opposing sign.
This is probably going to mean you are going to have much stress to find a way to use your intuition in a more practical way.
We have a lot of similarities in these aspects in our charts, not only the Excalibur conjunction but my Pisces Pallas is exact opposed my Virgo Moon, so finding a balance with logic and intuition is a battle I know very well!
Intuition comes to me by learning the science behind how we sense the energy of our world around, I need to see the facts and the science in order to begin to feel it in my heart. I guess my head has to see how it's not illogical or intuition something I think I sense, there is a real logical foundation for why I sense what I sense and why I should allow myself to trust my senses.
The battle to come to this understanding for you is very important...as this place makes a square to your Sun/Moon midpoint, it's part of your core being to come to understand and trust your intuition, it's part of your Excalibur mission to be able to do this. You must allow yourself to learn that there is a logical reason for you to trust yourself, trust what your intuition tells you even if there is not any physical evidence for why you sense something. I hope that make sense!
Yes that Jupiter/Neptune would be a good support system because Neptune touching your Virgo Excalibur will allow that Mercurial intellect a bit of a blending with Neptune...which supports it working along with your Pallas to help overcome the square. Jupiter will expand your desire to accomplish your Excalibur mission and protection as you do and shares it's energy of blessings n happiness to you so you probably won't ever feel completely overwhelmed and hopeless as you work towards your goals, you have an easier time maintaining your joy.

Sabian symbol for Virgo@28 "A bald-headed man"

"Message: Increasing self-mastery leads to heightened awareness."

After reading the theme of this symbol I thought about it and see how this relates to you and that square.
The theme of this is related to the shape of he mans head, the dome. What is in that dome is his brain-his mind, all that is his own is carried in that head. The challenge is to see and understand what is truly yours and learn to accept it, take care if it and be aware of opportunities that come along that go along with your truest person...in order to do that you must know your truest person.

When things come along that make you feel powerless and out of control knowing your truest self allows you inner power to know what is truly yours that you need to take care of, n what isn't. It also gives inner strength to do that because you know how to handle the things that are your own, you have confidence in your abilities because you know yourself and your capabilities.

To me this is very fitting to go along with your square because if your ignoring your intuition bad only using your mind, you have lost half of your souls tools for survival and if you use only intuition but never put it to practical use again you have lost half if your tools for survival it's the meeting of these two and allowing them to become one that gives you your true strength to win the battle of life.

Sorry for typos, I'm on my phone!


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By the way....my gemini mars squares my Excalibur so having you ask about that, and your Excalibur being conjunct mine made me realize my stress is to learn how to allow myself to physical act on my logic, to learn what truly is my responsibility to act on!
I have always been taking care of far more than what is my load, I used to always pick up the slack for everyone else even if was a huge burden in me, overwhelmed, stressed and took my joy away.
I only recently have stopped doing this and started requiring ppl to take care of themselves, I'm not there maid, mom or counselor!
Now I need to allow myself to really throw all my energy into doing the things that really make me happy and are me at my core!

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@GemBird82

I found this from Tigerlily's asteroid theme thread...but I'm still looking for something more in-depth....
Anglo Saxon theme asteroids:

9500 CAMELOT

2598 MERLIN - Relates to the seeking of magic and mystery. Helps attune one to the wisdom and power of the ancient Magicians and Alchemists.

2597 ARTHUR - Healing the inner King. In doing so, one's inner "kingdom" returns to a state of peace and plenty.

2483 GUINEVERE

2041 LANCELOT

2082 GALAHAD

2095 PARSIFAL

2054 GAWAIN

1966 TRISTAN

29391 KNIGHT

9499 EXCALIBUR (divine quest; divine power and protection)

(Esoteric Interpretation of Camelot Legends

Lancelot - Incarnate of OSIRIS + HORUS
(soul essence mix or legend mix,
take it as you please)

Arthur - OSIRIS + SET

Guinevere - ISIS Incarnate 1

Elain - NEPHTHYS

Galahad - ANUBIS who evolves to HORUS
in the grail quest.

Lady of the Lake - ISIS Incarnate 2
Merlin - THOTH
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posted May 18, 2014 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@GemBird82
I wanted to give what I personally thought from what I've found... There isn't much more than what I posted in my response regarding how to interpret Excalibur so I went to look up what I could find and give my personal impression, if that's ok!

I find this interesting if you go back and look at the very beginning of this thread and how Excalibur relates to Partisfal, Kundry and Amfortas, all of which have been likened to Adam, Eve and Jesus Christ. The sword was the only thing that could heal the wound that wouldn't heal.

Excalibur was proof of who had sovereignty to rule England...
The 1st prophecy of the bible or "The Sacred Secret" was a question asking to be answered about who had rightful sovereignty over Earth. It was answered in the 1st prophecy in the bible.
Genesis 3:15-"he will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heal"
Showing Satan would take a swing at God but it was God who would give Satan a death blow.
I'll have to ponder this more but there is a lot if connection going on between all these!

Now I'm wondering if Excalibur is our quest to find God or attain his wisdom from inside us and how we do that, what will be our blocks and our support in the quest?
We would have divine protection as we went on our quest for God and through showing our desire to find God we are showing Satan he is not our ruler we are searching for God and turning away from him. Thus we are showing it is God who has sovereignty over us.
Excalibur proves who has the right to rule, our quest for God would prove it is God who has the right to rule.

Excalibur is the legendary sword of King Arthur, sometimes attributed with magical powers or associated with the rightful sovereignty of Great Britain.

In Arthurian romance, a number of explanations are given for Arthur's possession of Excalibur. In Robert de Boron's Merlin, Arthur obtained the throne by pulling a sword from a stone. In this account, the act could not be performed except by "the true king," meaning the divinely appointed king or true heir of Uther Pendragon.

However, in what is sometimes called the Post-Vulgate Merlin, Excalibur was given to Arthur by the Lady of the Lake sometime after he began to reign. She calls the sword "Excalibur, that is as to say as Cut-steel."

In the Vulgate Mort Artu, Arthur orders Griflet to throw the sword into the enchanted lake. After two failed attempts (as he felt such a great sword should not be thrown away), he finally complies with the wounded king's request and a hand emerges from the lake to catch it, a tale which becomes attached to Bedivere instead in Malory and the English tradition.

From this I see Excalibur attributes being that of the place a person shows their right and ability to lead.
It has protective and magical qualities, which I interpret as potentially the divine protection and blessing we receive when and as we decide to step up to our Excalibur quest.

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1 Corinthians 2:6 and 7
(6) We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
(7) No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom…

Wisdom of God, to know his thoughts and understand his power and intention is to know he is the only one who has the right to guide humanity into a new world without pain...knowledge of his sovereignty, power and wisdom is what we struggle to know and is a Sacred Secret.

1 Corinthians 2:7 and 8
(7) a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
(8) None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Indicating that if man had known what God knew man would not have killed Jesus.
To me this also indicates we would not have needed a savior to die for our sins...the only way we wouldn't need that is if we were not sinners. Is that saying we wouldn't be sinners if we had the knowledge of the sacred secret?
If Excalibur leads us to this knowledge, it's a very important, very spiritual place in a chart.

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posted May 18, 2014 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Astrokeen,

15762 Ruhmann-Hebrew "Ruhamah” means love or mercy or compassion.
(My Draco Ruhmann is exact conjunct my natal Valentine)

But in my tropical chart, Ruhmann saggy@27.46, exact square to my Excalibur....
And what has blocked my ability to follow my own ideas, needs and spiritual path is being so busy thinking about everyone else, taking on their responsibilities, accepting their spiritual path so I didn't offend them, all the time I was thinking I was being loving and kind, I thought I was doing what i was taught God wanted me to do.
This also opposes my Mars in order to move forward I must learn how to balance giving to much to others with making sure I do for myself also.
Ive never found anything falling on pisces@28 in my chart.

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posted May 19, 2014 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Gabby,

You are a star!

Your interpretation of how Excalibur expresses itself in my chart is inspired to say the least.

The battle to come to this understanding for you is very important...as this place makes a square to your Sun/Moon midpoint, it's part of your core being to come to understand and trust your intuition, it's part of your Excalibur mission to be able to do this. You must allow yourself to learn that there is a logical reason for you to trust yourself, trust what your intuition tells you even if there is not any physical evidence for why you sense something. I hope that make sense!

This is spot on and very insightful! I do struggle constantly with finding the right balance between intuition and reason and often can't tell which is which. I fear that what I perceive as intuition could be hidden psychological motivations which I must examine and discard, if necessary.

So what you said here is perfect. You really are a champ! (OK, I'm running out of superlatives )

.... if your ignoring your intuition and only using your mind, you have lost half of your souls tools for survival .....it's the meeting of these two and allowing them to become one that gives you your true strength to win the battle of life

Did you intuit (if that is a word) the above or work it out rationally ?


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@Astrokeen,

15762 Ruhmann-Hebrew "Ruhamah” means love or mercy or compassion.
(My Draco Ruhmann is exact conjunct my natal Valentine)

But in my tropical chart, Ruhmann saggy@27.46, exact square to my Excalibur....
And what has blocked my ability to follow my own ideas, needs and spiritual path is being so busy thinking about everyone else, taking on their responsibilities, accepting their spiritual path so I didn't offend them, all the time I was thinking I was being loving and kind, I thought I was doing what i was taught God wanted me to do.
This also opposes my Mars in order to move forward I must learn how to balance giving to much to others with making sure I do for myself also.
Ive never found anything falling on pisces@28 in my chart.


Are you referring to giving to others on LL too? Because you do give a lot, which may distract you from pursuing your own interests.

Re Ruhmann - it is @ 9.39 Cap, squaring Mars and Wisdom in Libra, and also squaring Compassion exact @ 9.45 Aries. So, am wondering if it means compassion, mercy etc. in my chart. Should asteroids be squaring their own meanings? But the fact that it squares Compassion exact shows the two are related in some way.

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posted May 19, 2014 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@ Gabby,

You are a star!

Your interpretation of how Excalibur expresses itself in my chart is inspired to say the least.

[b]The battle to come to this understanding for you is very important...as this place makes a square to your Sun/Moon midpoint, it's part of your core being to come to understand and trust your intuition, it's part of your Excalibur mission to be able to do this. You must allow yourself to learn that there is a logical reason for you to trust yourself, trust what your intuition tells you even if there is not any physical evidence for why you sense something. I hope that make sense!

This is spot on and very insightful! I do struggle constantly with finding the right balance between intuition and reason and often can't tell which is which. I fear that what I perceive as intuition could be hidden psychological motivations which I must examine and discard, if necessary.

So what you said here is perfect. You really are a champ! (OK, I'm running out of superlatives )

.... if your ignoring your intuition and only using your mind, you have lost half of your souls tools for survival .....it's the meeting of these two and allowing them to become one that gives you your true strength to win the battle of life

Did you intuit (if that is a word) the above or work it out rationally ?

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This comment, wow, I feel you..." I fear that what I perceive as intuition could be hidden psychological motivations which I must examine and discard, if necessary."

Your ego has a part in this happening, because your ego refuses to let go and allow you to trust...at some point in your life you did let go and trust others for guidance without questioning them...and the result was pain.
Now, your ego is saying, I'm not going to let that happen again...so your mind is being used to prevent you from feeling and trusting guidance you get unless it's has been throughly examined with logic.
That's good sometimes but it also is blocking you from feeling the messages sent from your higher self, you are not allowed to act on them out of fear and you lose your best opportunities and guidance you will ever get.
What I have had to do to overcome this is gradually teach my ego that is in it's best interest to try to hear my heart, to use my mind to focus in on every little thing that jumps into my head without me doing it.
I tried to make it game...tried to get my ego to work along and see this game as my logical investigation into if intuition was good for me or would lead me down the wrong path.
It can be fun when your thoughts to try to not think just feel and see what comes to you, allow your ego to get upset only when you realize you had an intuitive feeling but you dismissed it, over thought it or doubted it's credibility.
The more you start to tune in, the more messages you will hear and the more you act on those messages the more you will see, logically, intuition is brilliant and it gives accurate answers instantly, which you can't get with all the research you have to do to get an answer whole only using logic.
When logic and intuition merge, the world around you becomes easier to understand, you begin to see how you fit in, and feel more balanced and grounded.
This is because the merge with logic and intuition is also the merge of ego and heart with heart leading the way.
When the 2 become one, you have the ability to feel balanced instead if insecure and out of control inside yourself.

What I used to answer and explain Excalibur was intuition, what I used to explain the mechanics of why n how intuition works with the mind/ego is what logically makes sense to me....but it probably still came from my higher self! Lol
What I've realized is we do very little without the help from our higher source, our souls connection to the universe and God, even if we think it's all us, it isn't!
When you train your ego to respect your heart and intuition your understanding of where our power comes from becomes clear, and it takes such a load off to know you don't have to overthink or work so hard to get answers...all you have to do is let your soul/heart guide you.
That requires keeping your mind focused on your hearts little whispers and quiet enough that you can hear in your head what your heart/soul is saying to you. The better you get at this, life gets easier and all your struggling n work to get answers goes away, it gets done for you effortlessly n the outcome is so much better n immediate.


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Yes, I agree that if I could tap into my intuition successfully that would provide a clear channel to my higher self. No more over thinking, confusion, and anxieties. It would be wonderful.

Your advice on how to get to that point is good - keeping your mind focused on your hearts little whispers and quiet enough that you can hear in your head what your heart/soul is saying to you

But I have one or two concerns. Is it not possible that one may be prone to suggestion from sources other than one's higher self? Could astral entities, who don't have my best interests at heart, plant whispers in my head? Could I trust everything that emerges from my consciousness, provided that I could first distinguish clearly between intuition and thought? Very often I seem to get contradictory messages - some of these suggestions could very well be the result of a prolific imagination. So, it's tricky.

I think I need to quieten my mind first with meditation and see how it goes.

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Yes, I agree that if I could tap into my intuition successfully that would provide a clear channel to my higher self. No more over thinking, confusion, and anxieties. It would be wonderful.

Your advice on how to get to that point is good - [b] keeping your mind focused on your hearts little whispers and quiet enough that you can hear in your head what your heart/soul is saying to you

But I have one or two concerns. Is it not possible that one may be prone to suggestion from sources other than one's higher self? Could astral entities, who don't have my best interests at heart, plant whispers in my head? Could I trust everything that emerges from my consciousness, provided that I could first distinguish clearly between intuition and thought? Very often I seem to get contradictory messages - some of these suggestions could very well be the result of a prolific imagination. So, it's tricky.

I think I need to quieten my mind first with meditation and see how it goes. [/B]


Meditation is very positive to help you learn this!
As far as the intuitive suggestions you receive, if you focus on what feeling comes to you with these flashes of insight/messages you will be able to feel the difference between something coming from your higher self and some negative energy.
Higher self messages come with a sense of peace, they bring a relaxation and calm to you as you begin to act on them.
Messages from anywhere other than Gods love, universal light or pure intentions if you pay attention you feel a constriction, a stress or anxiety. With either messages from positive sources or negative the feeling will be a mild at first, you will need to teach yourself to focus on your physical bodies reaction...do you get a knot in your stomache n feel mildly anxious or do you feel a peaceful calm come over you as you follow the intuitive message?
I know ppl talk about the possibility of negative energies trying to make contact, personally I've never had an "intuitive thought" come to me from a negative source.
I've felt negative forces n felt their intentions but they never feel like they are inside me, or a part of me. To me they feel like a separate energy coming at me, not from inside me.
So I'm not even sure why ppl fear that, to me it feels so different I could never mistake one for the other. But maybe my experience is different than theirs?
Logically though, I don't see how a separate energy could merge itself so well and deeply into you that it could get inbetween your soul and the bridge that connects you to your higher self.

Personally I believe if you keep your energy high, positive and full of love, the darkness has no power to get inside you. Love is a protection!

When you ask for guidance, specifically say you want your subconscious to only recognize and act on messages from places of light, any other kind is to be rejected without you ever having to be consciously aware of it.
This allows your higher self to monitor everything that comes to you, and allows your lower self to be free of the burden, stress n responsibility to discern the difference.
Physically it's to much for us to comprehend and figure out these things when we can't even see it! Leave it to your higher self because it has the awareness, insight and strength of understanding do deal with it for us.

As you open yourself up to listening to your intuition your programmed subconscious will naturally only allow you to sense messages that are good for you, includes not listening to your ego!
Your ego isn't connected to your higher self it's connected to your physical body, you want your heart to be what motivates you and your ego to be protecting your heart, not ruling it. Your ego isn't bad it's just started protecting you in a way that isn't serving you very well!

You program your subconscious by outloud saying something to the effect of, "my subconscious mind only accepts messages from my higher self, messages sent from the light. These are the messages that bring me inline with my core souls life path and raise my energy to it's purest and highest good for all."
As often as you can think about that and say it outloud so your entire energy hears it, feels it and is able to react emotionally to it, you will strengthen your ability to feel peace and allow your higher self to lead you, which is kind of like losing this 1000lb weight you were carrying on your back n didn't even realize it!
Over time that intention will get set into your subconscious mind, n you won't have to think about it at all, it will becone the natural way your subconscious functions.

The other thing I do that has helped me get my ego to want to get inline with my heart and made it easier to get control over my mind is when I'm alone and suddenly realize my mind is going over conversations, things I wish I'd said or didn't say, things ppl said to me, opinions on ppl around me...etc, etc I force my mind to stop.
I focus all it's attention on something natural around me.

For instance this morning as I was dropping my son off at school n got cut off on the road, then I had to sit through a light because the person who cut me off was busy talking on the phone instead of paying attention...you know how it goes.

At first I felt anger but I chose not to. I stopped allowing my mind to make judgements on what was happening around me and chose to look at nature around me and feel the day. I mention to my son how pretty the leaves looked blowing in the wind, then I could tell we both stopped for a second n felt the peace of appreciating the life that was happening around us, nature is always there waiting for us to notice it, so it can make us smile.
Then I had to make sure my mind didn't wander onto something negative as I passed the lady who had blocked traffic.
I smiled at her and really tried to feel happy n not allow my head to think of anything negative. She smiled back at me and I realized she looked frazzled and embarrassed, I felt empathy for her because I allowed my heart to stay open up to feel compassion instead of thinking about what she's done and being annoyed. It made me realize how many times I had mindlessly been distracted, overwhelmed and stressd out like she appeared and did something stupid and my actions affected other ppl.
When I felt empathy, I felt a warm kind energy towards her n it made me happy not to be angry....and my morning was great, not angry or stressed like it would have been if I'd allowed my mind to judge her and my ego to condemn her.
These are the kinds of things when practice regularly, will retrain your ego and mind to take a back seat and see it's safe to allow your heart to guide you, actually your ego will eventually be the one pushing you listen to your heart!

These are the things, IMO, that train your heart, mind and ego to work for your highest good and block negative energies from getting close to you.

Sorry for typos...on my phone!

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Lovely, Gabby! Very reassuring to hear you describe how the messages from your higher-self feel. Also to hear you say that you've never had negative energies come close. And your other experiences too.

We did have some interrelated aspects didn't we, which kinda suggested I'd benefit a lot. Must look again, now that I can see how they are manifesting.


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Wow Gabby, you have very valuable info here!

Thank you so much.

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Lovely, Gabby! Very reassuring to hear you describe how the messages from your higher-self feel. Also to hear you say that you've never had negative energies come close. And your other experiences too.

We did have some interrelated aspects didn't we, which kinda suggested I'd benefit a lot. Must look again, now that I can see how they are manifesting.


I'm gad that helps, you don't have anything to stress over!
Sometimes I hear ppl talking about the fear of the negative energies...to me it's their fear that gives negative energy a path for contact...energy is attracted to simular energy, fear is the opposite of love it's negative energy. Their fear is the negative energy that attracts more negative energy, they manifest into life what they are fearing through their fear.

You can add to the programming for your subconscious to squash your fear of the negative energy and don't allow fear into your conscious mind, only love.
Fear is the core of all the negative energy, love is the core for all positive energy.

We really do have a lot of related aspects n simular struggles to!

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Wow Gabby, you have very valuable info here!

Thank you so much.



Thank you GemBird82!

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Lovely thread,Gabby! Can't wait to take a look at these! Thanks for all the info!

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Well it was only recently, upon reading posts on LL, where the dark forces were much spoken of, that I began to wonder if these forces could be deceiving us in any way. Hence the resolve to be extra vigilant. But this, as you've pointed out, has a major downside.

I am also not entirely taken by what appears to be the senselessness of suffering - so the ever old questions of what is the meaning of existence. Is this really a lovely God? What the heck is going on. Are we some kind of grand experiment? So, many things that I don't want to trust too. Hmmm! Much to sort out, none of which can be done through reasoning. Will resolve to meditate everyday, in the first instance.

Thank you for all your wonderful advice.

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Well it was only recently, upon reading posts on LL, where the dark forces were much spoken of, that I began to wonder if these forces could be deceiving us in any way. Hence the resolve to be extra vigilant. But this, as you've pointed out, has a major downside.

I am also not entirely taken by what appears to be the senselessness of suffering - so the ever old questions of what is the meaning of existence. Is this really a lovely God? What the heck is going on. Are we some kind of grand experiment? So, many things that I don't want to trust too. Hmmm! Much to sort out, none of which can be done through reasoning. Will resolve to meditate everyday, in the first instance.


My thought is sometimes ppl have good intentions of trying to help others become aware of negative things and wanting to help protect them.
Unfortunately the reality is peoples fears or negative emotions they refuse to deal with create or manifest negative energy into something evil or what some call a poltergeist. That can be something that's real...
Just because others experience stuff like that doesn't mean you have to.
As a child I felt negative energys, and they terrified me! My grandmothers home had something in it that was terribly scary to me. Id try to get down stairs before it grabbed me, it always felt like something was right behind me so I'd go so fast I'd usually fall down the last 3-4 steps!
She's long since moved but I still have to drive by the town with the old house regularly.
I always feared that place until one day I felt I needed to go there, I wanted to know if what I felt was real.
I walked on the property and sat down outside just to feel it. It was still there, the same darkness I'd always felt but it was different.
I got closer to the house and felt a drain of my energy, like life was falling apart and hopeless but i realized it wasn't me actually feeling that and it was not something I needed to be afraid of. What i felt was deep sadness, deep hurt, hopelessness and anger! Nothing was directed at me...it was just the energy of the property. The town had been built on an Indian burial ground, the Indians had been forced off the land and many killed if they tried to fight.
As a child I had huge fears inside me, that properties sad, hurt, angry energy fed my fears, I believed what I was feeling was something real right there and ready to get me.
Today my fears are minimal so it was easier to feel what was really going on there....a dark sadness fueled from a hurt that happened long before I was alive.
But that darkness merged with my fears as a child and manifested into a huge energy that wanted to hurt me.
Sad, angry, hurt energy exists and when it mixes with your subconscious fears and the thoughts that are fuel by these fears, you have the perfect combination for the energies to manifest into reality by taking up a space in your aura and calling it home.
Others around you, likely have simular issues, many times it's family or ppl who are attracted to you often have common things going on subconsciously and that's why you were drawn together....potentially the ppl around you will have fears simular to you so they will experience something simular.
But what's odd is sometimes there is only one person affected or there is one person that feels nothing in a home or space others do...it's the difference in their subconscious make up that makes the difference.

Don't you find it interesting how an outside psychic can walk into a completely "possessed" home, they can feel the negative energy but they are not affected the same way? It's more about how ppls subconscious process the energy and if they can see it for what it really is it helps to dissipate the energy or if they can't their fears might build on it.

I find it amazing how some psychic mediums get all the negative energys drawn to them and others only get the loving energies just wanting to tell ppl they left messages to bring inspiration, love, forgiveness and letting go.
The difference is the subconscious mind of medium and their experiences that create their reality. But we are all mediums, even if we are not aware of it!
It's your subconscious that determines how these energies merge with and affect you.
If you don't buy into ppls fears and their experiences with these energies, you potentially could stand next to the person as they are saying they are under attack and you feel n sense nothing, no fear at all because your subconscious doesn't share the common ability to turn a harmless sad, angry, hurt energy into something harmful and evil.
Their reality doesnt have to be your reality unless you believe, focus on and adopt their fears, please don't do that!
I want to have as many fears cleared from my subconscious so that the energies that come at me are not demonic evil energies they are the loving kind ones that just want to hi!! Lol
I have never felt terrified of an energy since I started healing and finding happiness. I have encountered energy but none of it feels evil, some sad or hurt but most are just neutral or positive.
That's probably because I've worked out enough fear that my core foundation now has more love than fear.
Love is a protection in that it's able to overcome my fears and help keep me grounded in reality.
I'm able to stay in reality regarding the energy I feel instead of it merging with me and becoming more sinister.

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Lovely thread,Gabby! Can't wait to take a look at these! Thanks for all the info!

Thank you LeeLoo!
I tried to move your thread yesterday and I guess we had a computer glitch that Randal was able to correct but now I'm scared to try again...It closed your thread for a bit....Lol

I asked him about switching it over now , but haven't heard back yet....

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Gabby,

I was in that place of feeling safe and optimistic. The notion of negative energies did not even enter my mind, but this was challenged by the readings I did. Hopefully, these challenges are for the good - to address new doubts and then emerge stronger (thanks to the conversation I've had with you ).

Very helpful explanation of how people's subconscious makes them more vulnerable to negative energies.

Stay blessed!

Edit: I, as a child, used to have the sense that the world was akin to a giant fish bowl, where we were being managed and observed by giants (Gods?) from another world. This thought persisted from a long time - I would say it was intuitive, given that in those days there was no mention of aliens and such like. Perhaps some truth there.

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Thank you LeeLoo!
I tried to move your thread yesterday and I guess we had a computer glitch that Randal was able to correct but now I'm scared to try again...It closed your thread for a bit....Lol

I asked him about switching it over now , but haven't heard back yet....



Oh, but it is there, all right. Thanks again!

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Gabby,

I was in that place of feeling safe and optimistic. The notion of negative energies did not even enter my mind, but this was challenged by the readings I did. Hopefully, these challenges are for the good - to address new doubts and then emerge stronger (thanks to the conversation I've had with you ).

Very helpful explanation of how people's subconscious makes them more vulnerable to negative energies.

Stay blessed!

Edit: I, as a child, used to have the sense that the world was akin to a giant fish bowl, where we were being managed and observed by giants (Gods?) from another world. This thought persisted from a long time - I would say it was intuitive, given that in those days there was no mention of aliens and such like. Perhaps some truth there.


You seem to have amazing insight and depth, try hard to trust yourself!

I love the thought of the fish bowl, that's so cute! As I child I used to have strange things like that to...I do believe it's our intuition and past life knowledge shining through even though we were only children!
I almost wonder if it's the square aspect that makes our intuition come out in awkward confusing ways...lol

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posted January 07, 2015 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump for reference....

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I realize this is being moved to reference, but seeing it made me want to look up my Amfortas. It's at 28 Cap, in my third house, conjunct my N Node, Mercury, and Saturn.

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I realize this is being moved to reference, but seeing it made me want to look up my Amfortas. It's at 28 Cap, in my third house, conjunct my N Node, Mercury, and Saturn.

Wow....have you read about Amfortas? That's a very prominent and important position for this asteroid...please read about it!

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