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Topic: PRIAPUS: The Key to Relieving BML's Rejection?
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IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 15, 2014 05:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: ""Really, he's a SUN-PRIAPUS-NESSUS exact.""Seriously? Wow! Ouch! Here's my take....he's ego is tied up in getting his way, if he doesn't he takes it as a personal insult to his masculinity and acts like you've insulted him. Ask for him to meet your needs and he thinks your trying to take to take something from him and he gets huffy and puffy at your selfish behavior. Nessus...ugh! What sign is this in? Nessus is abusive but the sign and house will tell how he abuses and what he attacks! How does this aspect you...any close squares to your personal planets and where is your Lilith by comparison? I hope you didn't already post that....I'll go check just on case!
Holy ... wow. Again. NAILED it. To a T. I was just sharing it with my mother. We were both slack jawed. Wow. I think I mentioned it, but if not, here's the skinny: My SUN-PLUTO is trine his SUN-PRIAPUS-NESSUS, 2°. The real wowzer aspect is that it's right on my PSYCHE. It opposes my NEPTUNE, which is my 7R, and in my 4H, so ... fun! (Trines his URANUS, which is his 7R natally.) His PRIAPUS is exactly opposite his BML, too. Across his MC and IC. It also squares my OPHELIA-PHILOMELA conjunction, in my 7H. (Ugh. How embarrassing .... )
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 15, 2014 05:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Queen Salome: Retrograde Priapus conjunct South Node in female natal chart (orb 1°08')? Any opinions?
Maybe, In a past life you allowed yourself to be abused and neglected or abused yourself by finding men who didn't care about your needs or were insensitive to you. Since you yourself bring this to your South Node it makes me think it was unintentionally or unconsciously self inflicted, lack of self esteem that needs to be worked on so this doesn't happen again, maybe? The aspects that are tightly touching this place would give more details about what it means! IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 15, 2014 05:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: do you feel repressed when people have planets conjunct your Mars?
Good question! I'm really not seeing anything that hits PRIAPUS as repressing. I'm seeing the total opposite. IP: Logged |
Billy_Wroth Knowflake Posts: 41 From: Suzano, SP, Brazil Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 15, 2014 05:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: do you feel repressed when people have planets conjunct your Mars?
Not at all, whenever I find connections in other charts normally I'm attracted sexually to them without any kind of control. Even if I dislike the person, this person will turn me on easily. This happened few days ago also, and definitively not by the first time. Indeed, people that does not touch my mars plus priapus brings less my interest. OMG why Priapus makes me so sexdrived XP IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 15, 2014 06:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: Activates what? Your feminine sexual energy to your satisfaction?I didn't come up with theories for you to twist back Priapus is about sexual liberation. There's Nessus-Dejinara synastry for a reason and I'm surprised you can't even see the power dynamics problem. You bring your problems with your husband to abuse on your costar. You sexed him up thinking it will solve all your problems. For goodness sake, you are just replaying his manipulative mother role to torment him, which was the cause of his sexual problem from the start. How is that even called solving his problem? You are the cause of his problem.
Hmm. You seem like a 'cobra person', so to speak (that's a rather viable term my costar uses to describe emotional predators). So, I'll address your vitriol and than relegate you to the dustbin of my brain. Sadly, your 'insight' is merely abusive and serves me no purpose. As an abuse survivor, I have to be vigilant. My NESSUS is not abusive. I'm an evolved individual who shifts others' consciousness to higher levels. One of the things I enjoy about my relationship with my costar is that he's also metaphysically inclined. My husband is not. He accepts it of both of us, though. My costar and husband are both from overbearing, domineering mothers with addicted, alcoholic fathers. My husband became an addict, my costar, a teetotaller. I think his DEJANIRA is there because little else would have incited me to work through the karma we both have - if I did not have that 'must have!' feeling about him. I don't get that way about anybody (strong Lilith). Nobody 'sexed anybody up', for your information. It's a wonder we have any sort of sexual expression between us at all. My issues regarding intimacy with my husband are an ENTIRELY separate issue. They both know that. Hell, they've discussed it. My husband is working now to rebuild the intimacy that was built on illusion and faulty premises. It's better. He'll still lash out, but, it's better. My costar and I are close friends. Having a sexual relationship is something we wanted since we met (4 years ago) but are too sex-negative with personalities that have ingrained self-loathing and shame to ALLOW ourselves TO do so. Not until VERY recently. You may want to get your facts straight before piping off about what you don't know. It's not only unattractive, rude, but very foolish. (Yes, I'm a bit angry and quite offended. Your behaviour towards me was uncalled-for.) You clearly have problems with me, summerlite, which are a projection of your own issues. I'd rather you not poison what could be an otherwise informative relationship by misattributing such noxiousness and dissatisfaction onto me. I'm not sure what I represent to you; who has harmed you, or made you insecure. But I am sorry that I unintentionally hit those sore spots. It certainly wasn't my intention. I heal. I don't wound - and if I do, it's not purposefully, and I work to heal it quickly. To wrap this up, yeah, summerlite; I took a real chance at allowing myself to explore sexual intimacy with a man who scares me BECAUSE he respects me - BECAUSE he's been supportive of me, and a true friend throughout SO much drama. A man that, honestly, I love. A man who loves me for the same reasons. Hell, yes, I'm proud of it! And who are you to replay the voice in my head and that of everyone else who's made me sexually anorexic? It's not easy to say that - or to DO that, but I am. And I'm DOING it. Aries Priapus, for the win! I'm learning how to balance my independence with something I've never before allowed myself to feel: intimacy. To combine sex with love. Emotion. To not have them be forever extricated. To be one. Can you combine sex with love? If so, I envy you. I couldn't even allow myself a sexuality until recently. Now I am, and I'm proud of it. My husband is, too. Proud of both of us - though he's convinced that my costar is just incapable of ever allowing himself to receive love or intimacy. That I have a very long, hard road ahead of me. I'm proud of all of us. The way we've all grown and evolved. The genuine respect, and the love that's taken the place of fear and conceit. Selfishness and ego. I am PROUD. And if you're not - I don't give a flying fixed sign. And there you are.
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 15, 2014 06:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Holy ... wow. Again. NAILED it. To a T. I was just sharing it with my mother. We were both slack jawed. Wow. I think I mentioned it, but if not, here's the skinny: My SUN-PLUTO is trine his SUN-PRIAPUS-NESSUS, 2°. The real wowzer aspect is that it's right on my PSYCHE. It opposes my NEPTUNE, which is my 7R, and in my 4H, so ... fun! (Trines his URANUS, which is his 7R natally.) His PRIAPUS is exactly opposite his BML, too. Across his MC and IC. It also squares my OPHELIA-PHILOMELA conjunction, in my 7H. (Ugh. How embarrassing .... )
If hes not ready to grow up and see himself in reality then your the WRONG person to be trying to help him! With all your aspects you will only push his buttons but genuinely think your trying to help! The issue isn't anybody's wrong or right just the timing is very bad! Your trined Sun is shining a light on a very selfish place in him and then there is your pluto all ready to help him bulldoze that old unnecessary pattern of behavior! Pluto sees it's not serving him in a good way so why would he want it anyway! But it's not your issue it's his, and if he isn't ready to let it go he isn't ready! You can't do anything to change a persons path of change....they have to want it before it can happen. Your BML opposing means your a bit insensitive to him also....that's probably why you will keep pushing even if you see he isn't ready to change. Like I said there's no judgement here, it just is! You both are at different places, the fact that this touches your Philomela and Ophelia, 1st off I don't like that your Philomela is in close contact to his Nessus....that's your victim asteroid touching his abuser asteroid! Not good! 2nd Philomela got revenge....again not good, esp when she's aspecting your Lilith...Philomela is angry and Lilith pushes and pushes without any thought to the outcome or how far she's pushing the other person, hopefully you can stop pushing before you wake up his Nessus!! Ugh....talk about a "tying someone to the bed and setting the house on fire" aspect, loll, I love that song! 3rd Ophelia goes crazy....yes this does lead to her fighting for herself but more on a personal level! She is like a Phoenix rising after she gets rejected for trying to understand the man she loved, but still....this is a painful place! In the end Ophelia commits suicide....I know this isn't literal but still it shows the really tough kind of pain your dealing with if you push to far! It can get serious, I would suggest letting him be regarding this, don't try to change him...he's not ready! If you want to make it work realize this is a limitation he has to figure out on his own, you cannot and will not be the one to help him see this...there is to much combative energy there and no tenderness or understanding on either side! Now if Angel, Valentine or Amor was aspecting somewhere there might be a chance....but without some tenderness it doesn't look good! That doesn't mean you can't love each other, it just means this battle needs to be put down and left alone! Nobody will win here, lose-lose because it will only escalate to the point someone gets hurt! I hope that makes sense! IP: Logged |
Billy_Wroth Knowflake Posts: 41 From: Suzano, SP, Brazil Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 15, 2014 06:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Good question!I'm really not seeing anything that hits PRIAPUS as repressing. I'm seeing the total opposite.
I agree with you, but in my case maybe even more the opposite since I have Jupiter conjunct Priapus and Mars as well XP. But it's a wide aspect cause Júpiter is on my 15° and Priap 10°, Mars 7°. But as Nessus came in the discussion I must say I feel quite ashamed, my Nessus conjunct my Venus and Pluto in scorpio in the 8th house. I also suffered sexual abuse very young. My Dejanira don't cross Nessus path but is in the opposite sign, Taurus. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 15, 2014 06:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Since the LILITH archetype, whether BLACK MOON (BML) - True or Mean - or the asteroid (1811), it seems that the greatest cross she bears is a sense of rejection; her independence has created a failure to relate - to form close, intimate bonds. If PRIAPUS is the principle of seeking to merge, to relate intimately - almost like an id complex - not considering much consequence, simply motivated by the desire for sexual union - are these two sides of the same coin? In the case of BML and PRIAPUS, they're both directly linked to the MOON - our emotions. So, it would seem so. Synastrically, could we then interpret such aspects to be a chance at integration? Does PRIAPUS present the solution to BML / LILITH's sense of self-imposed isolation? What do you think? And how might we delineate such aspects? Do you think it changes based upon which gender is being represented? For example: a woman's PRIAPUS, and a man's BML / LILITH? Taking that into account, how might we approach natal interpretation? MOON / PRIAPUS or MOON / BML aspects? Thoughts?
I'm going back to this because after reading what I've read on Priapus I think he is Liliths counterpart....he's her equal in the way that they both are like brick walls of insensitivity to others needs, they are both self serving and will push people over the edge to get what they want.... This is their oppression.....they become the unwanted, cast out and left to fend for themselves but really whose fault is it ? They don't work in accordance with others, they behave inappropriately and hurt others then get angry and throw fits when they don't get their way! Yes they both get rejected and cast out, repressed from life and live with others, yes they lose and don't get what they want but they deserved it! It's their fault for not opening their eyes and seeing their behavior was uncaring, ruthless and hurtful to the people around them. They can't see we all have needs not just them! Maybe after they tire of being rejected because they aren't team players and decide to invest that energy into a more positive place they will find the answer to their self inflected rejection that lead to them being cast out, and repressed from enjoying life with others! They want their them to be "It's my way or the highway" Their life lesson would be "If you can't be a team player you can't play on a team because there is no "I" in team! Theme words Negative-selfish, childish, inconsiderate, pushy, insensitive and brut behavior...a bully that uses whatever tactics necessary to get there way then pouts when they get called out on it Positive-strong, determined, willful, powerful, independent, unafraid, intelligent, crafty, stoic, unbreakable IMO!!!! I'm just throwing it out there, please add your opinions! I can be wrong! IP: Logged |
Billy_Wroth Knowflake Posts: 41 From: Suzano, SP, Brazil Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 15, 2014 07:16 PM
Mostly I agree with you Gabby but there is a point where I have a different opinion: quote: Originally posted by Gabby: ... It's their fault for not opening their eyes and seeing their behavior was uncaring, ruthless and hurtful to the people around them. They can't see we all have needs not just them!
Lilith story is that she were made equal of Adam but didn't felt like she had the same rights and ran away seeking her freedom from Adam. But then is said that she made union to a fell angel and stuff. I guess she represents the desperate seek for independence, the fight against the submissive nature. I'm an equalist, I'll not state feminine energy as always submissive since I believe we all have masculine and feminine sides (venus and mars are in the charts of all of us). What I want to say is that Adam was the uncaring here, wanting always to be on top and don't respecting Lilith needs. Lilith is really like the Moon dark side when it is over pressed looking by this angle but as you said you could be wrong, as do I. Many things about Lilith you said I agree too, it's a "recent" point anyway, there are so many studies we could do to understand her more. I love this thing OMG lololol.
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IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 15, 2014 07:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by Billy_Wroth: Not at all, whenever I find connections in other charts normally I'm attracted sexually to them without any kind of control. Even if I dislike the person, this person will turn me on easily. This happened few days ago also, and definitively not by the first time. Indeed, people that does not touch my mars plus priapus brings less my interest. OMG why Priapus makes me so sexdrived XP
Exactly! Thank you for confirming that for us. Just what I was thinking. That's what one should EXPECT from that point being activated.
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 15, 2014 07:56 PM
@Billy I see what your saying but she also is the refusal to conform, and sometime being part of society means you have to give a little in order to be a part of a whole . She has her good points and I personally love Lilith, but I also know to blend with another you can't completely insist on your independence alone or you will have to be alone! It also depends on which Lilith your talking about...personally I feel they have a slightly different energy...all seeking independence but in different ways! Ive never found a lot of info on the true Lilith but what I've found it seemed to indicate this is the most erratic Lilith, I feel it's a place of pain that makes us act out in irrational ways, we push to far and don't know when to quit because we are trying to fight an emotional battle...this Lilith motion itself is an erratic movement. Just my observation, many times it seems to touch hard places in a woman's chart , kind of like a hidden pit of pain! My true Lilith is conjunct Philomela and Ophelia and Sedna....I see too many women with this kind of pain asteroids aspecting with true Lilith for it to be a coincidence! It's such a raw and tender place, the place we lose our manners and fall into it's hole, we can't see beyond it while we are there....maybe Priapus has the same pain for a man? BM Lilith is a place of strength where we are not crying in pain we are doing something about it and asteroid Lilith I think is where we can find spiritual independence! IP: Logged |
summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted January 15, 2014 08:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Good question!I'm really not seeing anything that hits PRIAPUS as repressing. I'm seeing the total opposite.
of course you don't see it. You are denying the problem. IP: Logged |
summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted January 15, 2014 08:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: It's not easy to say that - or to DO that, but I am. And I'm DOING it. Aries Priapus, for the win! .
I didn't abuse you. You just love playing victim. I didn't ask for your story with your husband either. You keep bringing it up. you know what the joke is? You are supposed to own your Lilith, not your Priapus. But here you want to own both, that's when you get greedy. There is no equality in what you are seeking.
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IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 15, 2014 08:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: if your BML is opposite Priapus, just read it as BML on NN. They are usually opposite anyway.
Actually, they're not. I'm not sure the per centage in which they are, but I've seen several which are not. So, best to consider the aspects separately. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 15, 2014 09:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: of course you don't see it. You are denying the problem.
summerlite, You're wrong. Let it go. Or - okay - let's put it this way. You had a theory. IT is wrong. Again, I suggest: you let it go.
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IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 15, 2014 09:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: I didn't abuse you. You just love playing victim. I didn't ask for your story with your husband either. You keep bringing it up.you know what the joke is? You are supposed to own your Lilith, not your Priapus. But here you want to own both, that's when you get greedy. There is no equality in what you are seeking.
You don't know what you're talking about in any of this. So just quit talking. I'M not a victim here. I am empowered! Damned happy about it, too. I hate to say it, though, but from what you're exhibiting of your personality, I pity you. You seem like a deeply unhappy person. I know what that can be like. I hope you work to change it. I'm ending this conversation with you. Don't address me unless you're civil. You're way, WAY out of line, being ugly, and uncalled-for. Stop - or just stop.
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summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted January 15, 2014 09:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Maybe after they tire of being rejected because they aren't team players and decide to invest that energy into a more positive place they will find the answer to their self inflected rejection that lead to them being cast out, and repressed from enjoying life with others!
Priapus' all that pented up repressed energy goes to creativity! IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 15, 2014 09:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: Priapus' all that pented up repressed energy goes to creativity!
Nooooo. It was never repressed to BEGIN with. Criminy.
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IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 15, 2014 09:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: I didn't abuse you. You just love playing victim. I didn't ask for your story with your husband either. You keep bringing it up.you know what the joke is? You are supposed to own your Lilith, not your Priapus. But here you want to own both, that's when you get greedy. There is no equality in what you are seeking.
Why on earth would you not own your Priapus if it's repression? You're not making sense. That's not even logical. It's because Priapus is a different sort of raw, sexual energy. Very id. Very demanding - like Gabby says. And Ceri. Listen to them. They know their stuff. IP: Logged |
summerlite Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted January 15, 2014 09:49 PM
You clearly didn't read what Gabby said.Why even do asteroid astrology when you don't read? You didn't read the myth. Fine. You didn't read we mentioned Priapus is usually opposite or quincux BML on page one. ok fine. How about you use PRIAPUS as a name asteroid then? Google "Priapus erectile dysfunction". Please own it then. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 15, 2014 10:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: If hes not ready to grow up and see himself in reality then your the WRONG person to be trying to help him! With all your aspects you will only push his buttons but genuinely think your trying to help! The issue isn't anybody's wrong or right just the timing is very bad! Your trined Sun is shining a light on a very selfish place in him and then there is your pluto all ready to help him bulldoze that old unnecessary pattern of behavior! Pluto sees it's not serving him in a good way so why would he want it anyway!But it's not your issue it's his, and if he isn't ready to let it go he isn't ready! You can't do anything to change a persons path of change....they have to want it before it can happen. Your BML opposing means your a bit insensitive to him also....that's probably why you will keep pushing even if you see he isn't ready to change. Like I said there's no judgement here, it just is! You both are at different places, the fact that this touches your Philomela and Ophelia, 1st off I don't like that your Philomela is in close contact to his Nessus....that's your victim asteroid touching his abuser asteroid! Not good! 2nd Philomela got revenge....again not good, esp when she's aspecting your Lilith...Philomela is angry and Lilith pushes and pushes without any thought to the outcome or how far she's pushing the other person, hopefully you can stop pushing before you wake up his Nessus!! Ugh....talk about a "tying someone to the bed and setting the house on fire" aspect, loll, I love that song! 3rd Ophelia goes crazy....yes this does lead to her fighting for herself but more on a personal level! She is like a Phoenix rising after she gets rejected for trying to understand the man she loved, but still....this is a painful place! In the end Ophelia commits suicide....I know this isn't literal but still it shows the really tough kind of pain your dealing with if you push to far! It can get serious, I would suggest letting him be regarding this, don't try to change him...he's not ready! If you want to make it work realize this is a limitation he has to figure out on his own, you cannot and will not be the one to help him see this...there is to much combative energy there and no tenderness or understanding on either side! Now if Angel, Valentine or Amor was aspecting somewhere there might be a chance....but without some tenderness it doesn't look good! That doesn't mean you can't love each other, it just means this battle needs to be put down and left alone! Nobody will win here, lose-lose because it will only escalate to the point someone gets hurt! I hope that makes sense!
I'm processing ALL of that, Gabby. Grokking. I think you hit a LOT of major points here. What do you think is the issue, per se? You're saying 'this' needs to be dropped. What is 'this', per se? If my SUN is trining his stellium, but it's HIS BML that opposite his PRIAPUS conjunct his SUN with NESSUS - does that change it? I did 'push', to some extent; I didn't understand the extent of the damage or abuse, oddly enough. I'd been in an abusive relationship before, and I feel genuine love here - just selfishness. That he operates according to an exchange rather than communal basis. He's coming to understand his selfishness. There are moments he'll apologise for it, and admit he doesn't know how to change - and why do I love him? Because I'm trying to teach him unconditional love. It's something I'm trying to learn myself. Just this week, I came to the realisation that he may feel an unintentional disregard; the best way to understand sexual anorexia is the impact it has on everyone. But you nailed it, Gabby; he feels anything that is not intensely focussed upon him (his words) to be an affront to his masculinity. I'd felt kind of ignored (by my costar, due to his inabilities with intimacy) for the first time, and it occurred to me - that might be how my husband feels. He confirmed it - due to my inabilities to feel or express sexuality - and I felt we understood each other on a much deeper level. It's hard, to be objective. Because he's SO needy. And he says it, too. And how do I stand it, being so independent? Well, I'm trying to understand what it is to be vulnerable. But it's hard with him. He's always doing something that makes me feel the need to close off and protect myself. Sigh. The OPHELIA-PHILOMELA, no doubt. I can relate to the 'suiciding'. I feel I emotionally did with him once it reached a point I could no longer stand or accept or even process. Love, but desperation. I felt like my 'revenge' was healing. Really. I got into therapy. He wouldn't. I stopped accepting what was actually some form of abuse. (Oh, sorry - I'm 'playing the victim' - I guess. Anyway.) I started standing up for myself. I distanced myself from several people who were emotional abusers and had been unable to provide emotional positivity. He ... I just tried to teach. It's been 4 years - but I think he may be trying to learn. Finally. Can you give me clearer definition as to what the issue is, however? I'd be more than grateful to do what I can to maximise each other's benefit - and not making it worse. His VALENTINE and AMOR are square, actually. (Curiously, his AMOR is conjunct my costar's EROS. That actually makes a lot of sense, given their rapport.) His (my husband's) VALENTINE is trine my MOON (yay!) and MARS ( ... yay! ... ?). My VALENTINE is conjunct his MOON - but it's weak. 5°. Not sure if that counts. BUT ... it's parallel. So ... yay! I sure hope we'll get through this. There's so much value to our marriage. We're great parents. But working out the sexual issues ... oh, boy. That's ... well, that's tricky. So, his VALENTINE would very loosely trine my OPHELIA-PHILOMELA. 6°. Not sure if I can count that. I'm not sure if there are parallels. I don't like the aspects to Oph-Phil, either, frankly. But, hey. You try to make the best of it. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 15, 2014 11:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by summerlite: You clearly didn't read what Gabby said.Why even do asteroid astrology when you don't read? You didn't read the myth. Fine. You didn't read we mentioned Priapus is usually opposite or quincux BML on page one. ok fine. How about you use PRIAPUS as a name asteroid then? Google "Priapus erectile dysfunction". Please own it then.
Honey, it's clear the one who's not reading - or listening - or paying attention to anything - is you. Priapism? An unnatural state of erection caused by stimulants or chemical over-induction? That what you mean? Pretty sure. Again, tell me how priapism - or PRIAPUS - has ANYTHING to do with sexual repression. It's not 'usually' opposite or quincunx. There are plenty of times in which it makes no aspect. I read that. Did you read what I said? Anywhere? Or were you just too eager to keep attacking me? Go on. I'm fascinated now, because it's so rare to find someone SO unwilling to admit they're wrong that they'll behave THIS foolishly. NOW I'm intrigued, because you're on another planet, dear-heart. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 16, 2014 12:08 AM
Oh, off-handedly - can we stop fighting now? That'd be wonderful. I don't actually enjoy it, in case you were wondering. I'm here to talk about astrology - not play projection-based blame games which do nothing for anyone. Can we get back to that? It's a Black Moon out there, incidentally. Moon's furthest from the Earth. Rather apropos, I feel. IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae Knowflake Posts: 4120 From: Venice, California, US Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 16, 2014 12:16 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Sitting on my Priapus libra@26 on Hecate, Apophis and opposed my Chiron aries@24 and Asmodeus aries@26 and Abunduntia aries@26 My Lilith(oscillating) is taurus@0 My vertex aries@26, my anti-vertex libra@26 My part of fortune is saggy@26....All these points, I wish I had a better idea of what they mean! This is a strange place in my chart and just gets weirder!
How do you feel about PRIAPUS opposite CHIRON? As we're really trying to now better grasp how PRIAPUS operates in a woman's chart. And conjunct APOPHIS? Whew! That can't be quiet and peaceful. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 16, 2014 02:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: I'm processing ALL of that, Gabby. Grokking. I think you hit a LOT of major points here. What do you think is the issue, per se? You're saying 'this' needs to be dropped. What is 'this', per se? If my SUN is trining his stellium, but it's HIS BML that opposite his PRIAPUS conjunct his SUN with NESSUS - does that change it? I did 'push', to some extent; I didn't understand the extent of the damage or abuse, oddly enough. I'd been in an abusive relationship before, and I feel genuine love here - just selfishness. That he operates according to an exchange rather than communal basis. He's coming to understand his selfishness. There are moments he'll apologise for it, and admit he doesn't know how to change - and why do I love him? Because I'm trying to teach him unconditional love. It's something I'm trying to learn myself. Just this week, I came to the realisation that he may feel an unintentional disregard; the best way to understand sexual anorexia is the impact it has on everyone. But you nailed it, Gabby; he feels anything that is not intensely focussed upon him (his words) to be an affront to his masculinity. I'd felt kind of ignored (by my costar, due to his inabilities with intimacy) for the first time, and it occurred to me - that might be how my husband feels. He confirmed it - due to my inabilities to feel or express sexuality - and I felt we understood each other on a much deeper level. It's hard, to be objective. Because he's SO needy. And he says it, too. And how do I stand it, being so independent? Well, I'm trying to understand what it is to be vulnerable. But it's hard with him. He's always doing something that makes me feel the need to close off and protect myself. Sigh. The OPHELIA-PHILOMELA, no doubt. I can relate to the 'suiciding'. I feel I emotionally did with him once it reached a point I could no longer stand or accept or even process. Love, but desperation. I felt like my 'revenge' was healing. Really. I got into therapy. He wouldn't. I stopped accepting what was actually some form of abuse. (Oh, sorry - I'm 'playing the victim' - I guess. Anyway.) I started standing up for myself. I distanced myself from several people who were emotional abusers and had been unable to provide emotional positivity. He ... I just tried to teach. It's been 4 years - but I think he may be trying to learn. Finally. Can you give me clearer definition as to what the issue is, however? I'd be more than grateful to do what I can to maximise each other's benefit - and not making it worse. His VALENTINE and AMOR are square, actually. (Curiously, his AMOR is conjunct my costar's EROS. That actually makes a lot of sense, given their rapport.) His (my husband's) VALENTINE is trine my MOON (yay!) and MARS ( ... yay! ... ?). My VALENTINE is conjunct his MOON - but it's weak. 5°. Not sure if that counts. BUT ... it's parallel. So ... yay! I sure hope we'll get through this. There's so much value to our marriage. We're great parents. But working out the sexual issues ... oh, boy. That's ... well, that's tricky. So, his VALENTINE would very loosely trine my OPHELIA-PHILOMELA. 6°. Not sure if I can count that. I'm not sure if there are parallels. I don't like the aspects to Oph-Phil, either, frankly. But, hey. You try to make the best of it.
The issue that needs to be dropped is his selfishness, it's on his chart and that means it part of him and can only be changed when his planets meet up and give an opening for change! That is the reason we cannot change people , we can open the doors for change to them but once we do that we need to step back and allow them to do the work without our interference! You may be his door to change, with all the activity your charts share here you definitely have a lot to going to wake him up! But the asteroids you guys share here means your asteroids will kick him to wake him up more than gently nudge him awake... Lol So you need to realize your nature will be tough for him to swallow, so be as tender as possible and realize you may think your being nice but your hitting him very hard in a very tender place! I agree with what Ceri said, Priapus behavior is an overcompensation for self esteem issues! He wants to make everyone think he so great but the reason he wants everyone to think that is because he feels like crap about himself and hopes nobody else sees it! The Valentine to moon is a life saver here! Valentine doesn't closely touch these particular asteroids....but it does touch some...that good! If you want to keep Valentine working with you on this issue, you must make sure your moon is actively participating in this problem, both of your moons since they both touch Valentine! How you do this is NEVER stop feeling, keep your moon working by keeping your heart open, don't shut down and start thinking someone else will be better, your closing your heart to your husband when you do that! If you close your heart and get hard when you see him behaving in a selfish way, you will never be able to help him stop being selfish! Think of what is the core of all selfishness...fear of not getting your needs met! What is the most basic need? Love! His selfishness stems from somewhere a point in time he felt nobody cared about him, his survival mode was to become selfish and he hasn't got to a safe place yet! Be his safe place! But don't forget to be your own safe place to! Be there for him but start making your own needs priority and his second but in a loving way! If he's being selfish then take time away, go of something fun and let him come back to you! Don't fight, just dismiss yourself before you feel anger or turn cold towards him! Then go feed yourself and fill your own needs, not out of spite, do it out of logic! Just know filling your own needs isn't because he was selfish and took something it's just maintenance! Fill your needs because this is what you have to do to take care of yourself just like you would take care of anything else! Does that make sense? I'm sorry for the typos, I'm on my phone! By the way, I'm sooooo happy you really love him, I wondered from your earlier post if maybe you just wanted out and to be the other guy...I'm happy it's not that way! IP: Logged | |