posted January 16, 2014 02:59 AM              

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Originally posted by summerlite:

Why even do asteroid astrology when you don't read? You didn't read the myth.

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Priapus and Lilith is not asteroid astrology, it is calculated-points/ lunar symbolism astrology.

posted January 16, 2014 03:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Priapus and Lilith is not asteroid astrology, it is calculated-points/ lunar symbolism astrology.

Unless you are talking about asteroid Lilith 1181, to which there is no asteroid Priapus currently.

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posted January 16, 2014 03:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm processing this, I'll edit this tomorrow and give an answer!

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Thanks, Gabby. I really appreciate it. This is something that's been heavily on my mind for months. Maybe years. But since I found so much merit in evaluating P&BML, I've looked into it rather deeply.

posted January 16, 2014 04:58 AM            

You obviously just want to find some excuse points to sex up whatever synastry (or lack of) you have.

Do you even understand opposite points? Do you even find a way to balance it? You costar has Aries Moon, Libra Mars. They are still opposite sign even though you consider it a wide. Did you look at it? Lilith usually lies opposite Priapus in natal chart , why would you want to claim Lilith, then claim Priapus?

posted January 16, 2014 09:38 AM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
if your BML is opposite Priapus, just read it as BML on NN. They are usually opposite anyway.

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By sign only. Priapus is 12°30' Cancer, Lilith (from Additional objects on Astrodienst) 19° Capricorn. And I forget to mention that my Priapus is RETROGRADE.

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Maybe, In a past life you allowed yourself to be abused and neglected or abused yourself by finding men who didn't care about your needs or were insensitive to you.
Since you yourself bring this to your South Node it makes me think it was unintentionally or unconsciously self inflicted, lack of self esteem that needs to be worked on so this doesn't happen again, maybe?
The aspects that are tightly touching this place would give more details about what it means!

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Interesting. It does make sense.
My Priapus conjunct? (max 1°30' orb) asteroids Prometheus and Gold, fixed star Sirius.
It is also close to my IC (2°20' orb).

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Goodness. Sounds like some intense karma regarding sexual exploitation and abuse from the past. What sign? Perhaps you were a nobleman taking his, erm, liberties in the realm? So to speak.

BML-NNODE would indicate your need to develop independence. Possibly, to withstand rejection, too.

Just some thoughts.

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In Cancer in 3rd.
NN is in Capricorn, 5°25' away from Lilith.
To develop independence? Definitely.

posted January 16, 2014 11:39 AM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Right. Which is the only reason it's here, honestly. Since I was covering 1181, too. Just to cover all bases. Would it've been better in Astro 2.0, though?

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No, it is fine here.

I just mentioned it cause the meaning of calculated points is not derived from mythology. So I am not sure it is valid doing that with the perigee and the apogee of the moon, though there seem to be overlapping meanings regarding these.

posted January 16, 2014 12:34 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
oh yeah. So what's Priapus symbol again? Ophelia / Philomela/ Nymphe aren't asteroids? In the first place you don't even understand what's Nymphe in your co-star's Moon.

You obviously just want to find some excuse points to sex up whatever synastry (or lack of) you have.

Do you even understand opposite points? Do you even find a way to balance it? You costar has Aries Moon, Libra Mars. They are still opposite sign even though you consider it a wide. Did you look at it? Lilith usually lies opposite Priapus in natal chart , why would you want to claim Lilith, then claim Priapus?

If you have Mars opposite Pluto, would you go about go about using your Mars aggressively then also use Pluto obsessively and call it finding your balance? You aren't finding a balance. You are out of balance.

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You again? You're still talking?

Fine. Let's show how you're wrong again. It's becoming a pastime of mine, which will be fun for about a week.

First point: you can't even read configurations, so why are you attempting to understand - less explain - them? If you have nothing to contribute, then by all means, sit back and learn. That's what I do.

So, what you failed to understand initially was the configuration in my costar's chart. His MOON-MARS is exactly opposite. I don't think an astrologer on earth would call that 'wide'; I certainly don't. Common sense would've told you that, but maybe you lack it? Who knows? You've gone ad hominem - so have I, sweetheart.

To say he lacks balance is an understatement.

Now.

Let's talk about NYMPHE, even though this thread isn't about it at all.

NYMPHE, I've been aware, is a kind of natural, uninhibited sexuality; a playfulness and ability to shift and change in this area.

I can absolutely confirm this as a part of his personality - just so deeply repressed as to be disowned.

My PRIAPUS conjoins his NYMPHE-MOON, in my 8H.

... But apparently, that's a lack of synastry I'm looking to 'sex up'.

Let's see what other dumb things you claimed I said.

Oh! Lack of balance. Right.

Well, my SUN-PLUTO-BML is conjunct his MARS-LILITH - but, wait! You can't read aspects. I forget. Okay, I'm dumb it down.

My SUN is conjunct my PLUTO and BML in my 2H. Do you have it in your head now? Okay. Imagine that here comes his MARS with a conjunction near-to exact on my PLUTO/BML - that's 21° LIB. (My SUN is 19°.)

Now, his LILITH 1811 is there, at 23° LIB. I don't count it on my SUN, really, because 3° is wide regarding asteroids in my world. But it's configured with that synastry you say we don't have, and I do count MARS on SUN at 3° - especially with PLUTO.

Am I going too fast? I don't want to confuse you.

Oh, his LILITH 1811 is also parallel my MOON and AMOR.

Why all the above? Just confirming how I'm trying really, really hard to point out synastry that I'm making up in my head in order to sexually abuse someone.

So pay attention, summerlite. You'll want to twist it to misattribute it to things later, and accuse me of - oh, I don't know - molesting clowns and punching puppies.

Let's see ... what else did you say ....

Opposite points.

Okay. We'll move on to how PRIAPUS might operate in a chart of sexual anorexia.

It's my present theory that PRIAPUS, that point of surrendering and operating via id principle, is disowned by the individual. That means we'd need another point to come along and bring it out - similar to a 12H placement.

What of NYMPHE? Is it being disowned? In opposition to MARS, there may be a push-pull flavour, a tendency to go extremes, in the area of ... what? C'mon, you know this.

Did you say 'Masculinity'?

Look it that, Mr Map! She got it! Good job.

Masculinity. We might hazard a guess that NYMPHE when in close opposition to a point regarding sexual expression, would bring about extremes in terms of that expression. In other words: sexual anorexia or addiction. Why the former and not the latter? I blame SATURN for that.

Let's look back at PRIAPUS.

In this chart, PRIAPUS is making no aspect to BML; rather, BML is the point rather involved here - conjunct MOON and NYMPHE.

Did I mention my NYMPHE is square his, 2°? And my PLUTO-BML and his MARS-LILITH? And conjunct his MERCURY (7R) - in his 8H?

More of that synastry we don't have.

Oh, but I confused you by acting all astrologer-like and using professional shorthand.

Mea culpa.

Back to PRIAPUS.

In his chart, it's trine his 8H SUN. It also sits on my SUN/MOON MP. I guess that means my core identity and emotional profile doesn't help him access his PRIAPUS. Since I'm just makin' shiz up over here. Clearly.

I see no reason why we shouldn't own ALL parts of ourselves. That's totally contrary to working psychological theory.

In the case of sexual anorexia, we're either not owning those parts (PRIAPUS, NYMPHE, EROS) and delegate the role out to our partners. So you just can't read a sexually-anorexic chart as you would that of a sexual person. That was my general hypothesis, and it's proving correct.

In conclusion, I'm not sure how to address this problem you're having with me, summerlite. It seems I've been very clear - even clarifying as you've asked - and I'm speaking Klingon, and you Ferengi.

'What we have here is a failure to communicate.'

And the take home is:

Don't p1ss off a £itch with T-MARS on N-SUN-PLUTO. You won't like the results.

Now.

For the love of Pete.

Are we done with this part of the programme? This WAS a good thread with great info and insight until it became constantly derailed by flameworthy BS.

I'd like it to stop. Now.

posted January 16, 2014 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, it is fine here.

I just mentioned it cause the meaning of calculated points is not derived from mythology. So I am not sure it is valid doing that with the perigee and the apogee of the moon, though there seem to be overlapping meanings regarding these.

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I've wondered that, too. Is it clear why we called the apogee of the Moon 'Priapus' - and 'Black Moon' for example? Yesterday was the day of The Black Moon. I found that apt.

posted January 16, 2014 12:41 PM            

It's RETROGRADE? Wha? I didn't even think that was ... possible.

Wait. How's that possible? For a calculation. Is that something funky in the carrying of a '1' somewhere? Heh.

posted January 16, 2014 01:04 PM            

I wonder if you're coming from a point of unexpressed self-righteousness. That would jive. You may think I'm extremely audacious with such gall and so on. 'Another one of those Hollywood types' who thinks she's entitled to whatever she wants at the expense of others, is cheating on her husband, and embroiling an innocent bystander in the name of rampant hedonism.

I can assure you, that is NOT the case.

My husband and I subscribe to a different lifestyle. While he's got years of experience on me, and I've got years of experience on my costar, we're all above-board, on-the-level and honest with each other. No one's lying, being manipulated or deceived.

I find that abhorrent, too. I try to live as authentically as possible - which isn't easy in Hollyweird. But at the very least, I'm upfront in my personal relationships.

Not sure if that's it, but I figured of throw it out there.

We're all learning from each other here, in this group. No different here.

Is it common? Not really, though more are becoming 'monogamish', as they say. But maybe we're all fighting a bit more for our happiness.

T-SATURN's squaring my costar's VENUS, and sitting on my MOON. T-PLUTO's opposing his 8H SUN, and my husband's VENUS. T-URANUS is squaring that SUN, preparing to oppose mine, and currently squaring my husband's VENUS.

We've ALL been adjusting, reorienting, and clearing away baggage and debris in order to live happier and love more fully.

And, as I said, I'm proud of us. But that's just me.

I figured I'd clarify the situation, in case you were getting the completely wrong idea. Several here know it, but you're new. I'd not quite realised that, given your Knowflake status. It wasn't until I saw your registration date that it occurred to me you're actually quite new. Least by the system's standards.

posted January 16, 2014 01:15 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Queen Salome,

It's RETROGRADE? Wha? I didn't even think that was ... possible.

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Must be possible. Mr Sag`s Priapus is retrograde as well.

The true Lilith is also often retrograde, making some kind of zig-zag-motion.

posted January 16, 2014 01:22 PM              

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I've wondered that, too. Is it clear why we called the apogee of the Moon 'Priapus' - and 'Black Moon' for example? Yesterday was the day of The Black Moon. I found that apt.

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I don´t really know who first named them like this initially.

Maybe the German astrologers who calculated the ephemeris for the apogee and perigee coined the name for Priapus (I think before them only the black Moon was being considered).

posted January 16, 2014 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

So, what you failed to understand initially was the configuration in my costar's chart. His MOON-MARS is exactly opposite. I don't think an astrologer on earth would call that 'wide'; I certainly don't. Common sense would've told you that, but maybe you lack it? Who knows? You've gone ad hominem - so have I, sweetheart.

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u know what? I actually ASKED if his Moon-Mars is in opposition which i have to read through long aspects which you love to type that noone loves reading when you could have just typed out a simple
MOON opposite MARS.
MOON conjunct BML-NYMPHE

I said it can cause problems. You did not answer nor seem aware of the basis of the problems behind it.

I also asked repeatedly where your co-star's Priapus is. You were never clear and instead chose to bring up your husband's Priapus is.

BML not forming an aspect with Priapus? Quincux is an aspect. I don't study it. From what I see, it's either opposite or quincux. That's worth studying later.

Frankly speaking, I didn't read the rest. I am quite sick of your lengthy entries to be honest.

posted January 16, 2014 03:24 PM            

Diego Rivera: (provided by Ceridwen)
Priapus conjunct NN exact
Priapus conjunct ASC

Priapus on his ASC would put BML on his DSC. He attracts Lilith-like woman. I'm not sure how Priapus adds to his looks.
Anyway, this guy had multiple marriages and children. One of it was Frida Kahlo.

"They married on August 21, 1929 when he was 42 and she was 22. Their mutual infidelities and his violent temper led to divorce in 1939, but they remarried December 8, 1940 in San Francisco."

from her wiki

"As a young artist, Kahlo communicated with the Mexican painter, Diego Rivera, whose work she admired, asking him for advice about pursuing art as a career. He recognized her talent.[25] He encouraged her artistic development and they began an intimate relationship. They were married in 1929, despite the disapproval of Frida's mother.
Their marriage was often troubled. Kahlo and Rivera both had irritable temperaments and numerous extramarital affairs. The bisexual Kahlo had affairs with both men and women. Rivera knew of and tolerated her relationships with women, but her relationships with men made him jealous. For her part, Kahlo was furious when she learned that Rivera had an affair with her younger sister, Cristina. The couple divorced in November 1939, but remarried in December 1940. Their second marriage was as troubled as the first. Their living quarters were often separate, although sometimes adjacent"

Diego obviously had huge appetite, as seen by his multiple fail marriages and children. He doesn't seem to repress anything. Kahlo (a Lilith woman) was treated as his equal, be it career or her sexual needs. He allowed her to have her share of fun but Kahlo got greedy.

"Rivera knew of and tolerated her relationships with women, but her relationships with men made him jealous. "

Why you ask? It makes him look bad as if he (as a male) couldn't satisfy her. She pushed his boundaries so he pushed hers. It would never work out.
Now if Diego had stuck to one marriage, he would have been a guy who's badly repressed in terms of sex. He clearly wasn't since Priapus on his NN. HE sure let loose.

I decide to double check another.

Laurence Olivier: (Provided by Ceridwen)
Priapus conjunct DESC

That would mean he attracted Priapus-like women or relationships. Again multiple marriages.

1st marriage
" Olivier was, however, from the beginning not happy in his first marriage. Repressed, as he came to see it, by his religious upbringing, Olivier recounted in his autobiography the disappointments of his wedding night, culminating in his failure to perform sexually. He temporarily renounced religion and soon came to resent his wife, though the marriage would last for ten years. Despite this supposed resentment, Olivier remained in congenial contact with Esmond until his death (as documented by their son Tarquin in his book, My Father Laurence Olivier), accompanying her to Tarquin's wedding in January 1965.[citation needed]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Olivier

2nd marriage:
"She fell into a deep depression that hit the low point when she turned on Olivier, verbally and physically attacking him until she fell to the floor, sobbing. This was the first of many major breakdowns she suffered related to bipolar disorder. Olivier came to recognise the symptoms of an impending episode – several days of hyperactivity followed by a period of depression and an explosive breakdown, after which Leigh would have no memory of the event, but would be acutely embarrassed and remorseful.["

" In his autobiography, Olivier discussed the years of strain they had experienced because of Leigh's illness: "Throughout her possession by that uncannily evil monster, manic depression, with its deadly ever-tightening spirals, she retained her own individual canniness – an ability to disguise her true mental condition from almost all except me, for whom she could hardly be expected to take the trouble.""

He got verbally abused while she had BPD. If you keep insulting a man, that's repression.

I see repression theme all over when it comes to a man's Priapus.

posted January 16, 2014 04:23 PM              

"Anyway, this guy had multiple marriages and children."
Hardly someone who refrained from sex. He might have been overcompensating, but he most certainly was not restrained in sexual area.

"It makes him look bad as if he (as a male) couldn't satisfy her."
It makes it look like both were also seeking sex elsewher. PEriod.
Anything beyond that would be me judging them.
As if the monogamous sexual relationship-style was the only "right" one.

Well for me personally it is, but I am quite aware that people are different and need different things.

"I see repression theme all over when it comes to a man's Priapus."

I see a lot of activity and - possibly- overcompensation, but hardly repression.

"re·press (r-prs)
v. re·pressed, re·press·ing, re·press·es
v.tr.
1. To hold back by an act of volition: couldn't repress a smirk.
2. To put down by force, usually before total control has been lost; quell: repress a rebellion.
3. Psychology To exclude (painful or disturbing memories, for example) automatically or unconsciously from the conscious mind.
4. Biology To block (transcription of a gene) by combination of a protein to an operator gene." http://www.thefreedictionary.com/repressed

Neither of the people you mentioned had really blocked out or excluded sexual expression.
It might be though that an excess of sexual expression/ activity was used to overcompensate for something else.

"Seems more like mismatch because the power dynamics are in opposite direction."
You mean like 1st and 7th house?
Venus and Mars?

To me they seem a match, because they represent two poles, and one has something the other lacks but needs to incorporate for finding a balance.

posted January 16, 2014 04:41 PM              

Priapus: 1.34 Virgo
Lilith: 13.03 Pisces

ASC: 4.50 Virgo

Laurence Olivier
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Priapus: 19.06 Sagittarius
Lilith: 09.08 Cancer

ASC: 15.58 Gemini

posted January 16, 2014 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
u know what? I actually ASKED if his Moon-Mars is in opposition which i have to read through long aspects which you love to type that noone loves reading when you could have just typed out a simple
MOON opposite MARS.
MOON conjunct BML-NYMPHE

I said it can cause problems. You did not answer nor seem aware of the basis of the problems behind it.

I also asked repeatedly where your co-star's Priapus is. You were never clear and instead chose to bring up your husband's Priapus is.

BML not forming an aspect with Priapus? Quincux is an aspect. I don't study it. From what I see, it's either opposite or quincux. That's worth studying later.

Frankly speaking, I didn't read the rest. I am quite sick of your lengthy entries to be honest.

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No, you didn't.

Learn how to read. Then, attempt to be respectful. If you don't like my thread, here's a thought: GET OFF OF IT.

All right? Fantastic.

Now.

posted January 16, 2014 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
u know what? I actually ASKED if his Moon-Mars is in opposition which i have to read through long aspects which you love to type that noone loves reading when you could have just typed out a simple
MOON opposite MARS.
MOON conjunct BML-NYMPHE

I said it can cause problems. You did not answer nor seem aware of the basis of the problems behind it.

I also asked repeatedly where your co-star's Priapus is. You were never clear and instead chose to bring up your husband's Priapus is.

BML not forming an aspect with Priapus? Quincux is an aspect. I don't study it. From what I see, it's either opposite or quincux. That's worth studying later.

Frankly speaking, I didn't read the rest. I am quite sick of your lengthy entries to be honest.

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First time I read through the thread yesterday, (because, shockingly, I don't live online), I didn't see your single enquiry. (As in one - not 'repeatedly'). I just happened to respond with what I was already typing - which somehow got a bee lodged so snugly in your bonnet, and I've still no idea why.

Second, 8° SCO and 20° ARI are not quincunx. They might be quindecile. But I'm thinking quadronovile. Which won't have much effect. Especially when wide.

You must be very new at this. In which case, hold off on forming advanced theories until you've gotten the basics.

Start with learning the major aspects. (And, yes - these days, the quincunx is an aspect we all consider pretty prevalently in use. It's one to know.)

posted January 16, 2014 05:18 PM            

I just can't ride this 'PRIAPUS is repression' train. I CAN agree that it's important to look at PRIAPUS, regardless of the native's sex, in regards to sexual anorexia - and addiction.

posted January 16, 2014 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
@IndigoDirae
I edited my post! I hope it makes sense!

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posted January 16, 2014 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Thanks, Gabby. I really appreciate it. This is something that's been heavily on my mind for months. Maybe years. But since I found so much merit in evaluating P&BML, I've looked into it rather deeply.

Have you found Ophelia / Philomela to figure similarly in male charts, too?

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I have found Philomela in charts of men abused and victimized and instead of being hard they became weaker type guys who allowed others to use them!
They took on the female role in most relationships and women would beat them up and use them for all they were worth until the struck back with affairs or other evil ways!

I knew one guy who let his wife totally dominate him, he even let her force him into getting married even though it wasn't what he wanted!
What did he do? Slept with the girl at his bachelor party then still married his wife a few hours later! Ouch!
She never knew!
She continued treating him like crap and belittling him, he worked himself to death to keep up the life she insisted on and he continued cheating!
They never argued he acted like a beat lil puppy, she treated him like a child(she was older )but he got back, quietly!
He divorced her after getting one of his affairs pregnant while she was pregnant!
I almost wonder if he did that on purpose, one final(silent)slap in her face!
I'm sure he still needs someone who treats him like crap! Well unless he's done some huge healing and wants to see how his fears and insecurities play out in his personal life!

This right here is one reason I won't date younger guys, It makes me wonder what mommy complex they are trying to play out with me! Lol

posted January 16, 2014 05:59 PM            

His scorpio Philomela, who has no tongue to vocalize her pain, sat in his 8th house opposed his Sun and Mercury in 2nd
He couldn't speak of how she was hurting his ego, so he acted on it!

posted January 16, 2014 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
How do you feel about PRIAPUS opposite CHIRON? As we're really trying to now better grasp how PRIAPUS operates in a woman's chart.

And conjunct APOPHIS? Whew! That can't be quiet and peaceful.

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Priapus opposed Chiron?
I think if i stopped feeling for others I would never heal my Chiron wound because it's been through helping and loving others I've learned how to heal and love myself!