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Topic: PRIAPUS: The Key to Relieving BML's Rejection?
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IndigoDirae
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posted January 14, 2014 02:09 AM
  
Since the LILITH archetype, whether BLACK MOON (BML) - True or Mean - or the asteroid (1811), it seems that the greatest cross she bears is a sense of rejection; her independence has created a failure to relate - to form close, intimate bonds. If PRIAPUS is the principle of seeking to merge, to relate intimately - almost like an id complex - not considering much consequence, simply motivated by the desire for sexual union - are these two sides of the same coin? In the case of BML and PRIAPUS, they're both directly linked to the MOON - our emotions. So, it would seem so. Synastrically, could we then interpret such aspects to be a chance at integration? Does PRIAPUS present the solution to BML / LILITH's sense of self-imposed isolation? What do you think? And how might we delineate such aspects? Do you think it changes based upon which gender is being represented? For example: a woman's PRIAPUS, and a man's BML / LILITH? Taking that into account, how might we approach natal interpretation? MOON / PRIAPUS or MOON / BML aspects? Thoughts?
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Gabby
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posted January 14, 2014 03:12 AM
Priapus, BM Liliths opposite point?That's makes sense! Maybe what opposes Lilith is the answer to what causes our isolation? Maybe looking into these things and focusing on them would bring balance to us and allow us to tap into our Lilith energy and vitality in a healthy way? Funny my BM Lilith has karma opposed it and asteroid Lilith has Ophelia and Philomela, both about women abused, hurt and rejected by men!
My Liliths are Inconjunct each other! My moon is 165 degree from BM Lilith, if I remember that is an aspect of obsession, based on loss!
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AriesLilith
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posted January 14, 2014 10:41 AM
Nice thread!  Yes, there's this sense of void and rejection that is linked to Lilith, due to her need for independence which makes it hard to relate with others. Ultimately, Lilith might feel that she is apart from the world and unable to belong.I suppose that when it comes to archtypes that belongs to our own genders, we tend to show these traits, while when it comes to archtypes of the opposite genders, we tend to project them on others of this gender? In a man's chart, it can show how a man perceive this archtype and this type of woman. If BML forms harmonious aspects then this man will react positively, with admiration, attraction and acknowledging this woman as strong and independent; if negatively aspected, this man might see this type of woman as too non comforming, dominant, not marriage material, too crazy, even thought there can be attraction as well. In a woman's chart, BML can show the place where she might feel a void or lacking sense of belonging, so that if a man aspects her BML, then he can either fill this unconscious void she feels, or makes her feel not belonging and hurt/rejected. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted January 14, 2014 11:34 AM
Doesn't Priapus represent repressed male sexuality? To be honest, I don't really get what it's supposed to mean in a guy's or girl's chart. I probably need to reread the myths again.But i don't think BML is Priapus's match. It's like getting a shadow side to match a shadow side. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 14, 2014 11:47 AM
Indigo,my opinion: "almost like an id complex"
I find that a very apt view on Priapus, yes. Totally Id.
"are these two sides of the same coin?"
Yes.
I am wondering if their midpoint might relate to a balance-point between too much- too little, too far-too close now.
Since midpoints are about integration. Just musing here.
"In the case of BML and PRIAPUS, they're both directly linked to the MOON - our emotions."
Yes.
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"Synastrically, could we then interpret such aspects to be a chance at integration? Does PRIAPUS present the solution to BML / LILITH's sense of self-imposed isolation?"
Yes, I would think so.
Though on the other hand Priapus is himself unbalanced, just into the other direction.
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Ceridwen
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posted January 14, 2014 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Priapus, BM Liliths opposite point?That's makes sense! Maybe what opposes Lilith is the answer to what causes our isolation? Maybe looking into these things and focusing on them would bring balance to us and allow us to tap into our Lilith energy and vitality in a healthy way? Funny my BM Lilith has karma opposed it and asteroid Lilith has Ophelia and Philomela, both about women abused, hurt and rejected by men!
My Liliths are Inconjunct each other! My moon is 165 degree from BM Lilith, if I remember that is an aspect of obsession, based on loss!
Keep in mind tough that Priapus on astro.com has his counterpart in Lilith (i) (h21 and h22); NOT in the true osculating Lilith h13.
h13 counterpart would be her opposing point. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 14, 2014 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by summerlite:
Doesn't Priapus represent repressed male sexuality? To be honest, I don't really get what it's supposed to mean in a guy's or girl's chart. I probably need to reread the myths again.But i don't think BML is Priapus's match. It's like getting a shadow side to match a shadow side.
Priapus and Lilith are just names given to calculated points.
Priapus as a matter of fact is the perigee of the MOon and LIlith is the apogee of the Moon (though there is another calculation and defintion for Lilith, too, which has more to do with her shadow aspect).
the apogee and perigee of the Moon (Lilith and Priapus) are determined by the relationship between Sun, Moon and earth.
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summerlite
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posted January 14, 2014 12:00 PM
ok i looked at it. If it's h22, it's usually opposite one of the liliths (i'm assuming). It reads the same for me.Say if you have lilith-sun conjunction in your natal, you own your lilith. Your priapus would be somewhere opposite. So if a guy has his sun hit your priapus, that's the point he feels repressed since priapus gets projected on him. I would just focus on lilith. It's like doing an extra reading. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 14, 2014 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by summerlite:
ok i looked at it. If it's h22, it's usually opposite one of the liliths (i'm assuming). It reads the same for me.Say if you have lilith-sun conjunction in your natal, you own your lilith. Your priapus would be somewhere opposite. So if a guy has his sun hit your priapus, that's the point he feels repressed since priapus gets projected on him. I would just focus on lilith. It's like doing an extra reading.
Priapus (i) is not usually opposite Lilth (i), though they seem to wobble around the opposing point. Actually it can be either in the opposing sign or the quinkunx signs, but does not necessarily make aspects.
In the case of the true Lilith, yes, whatever is opposite true Lilith, is conjunct her oppospite point. I have started to check Lilith and Priapus in all the charts I am doing, and was surprised to find that Priapus does often seem to play an important role, but not always connected to Lilith. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 14, 2014 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by summerlite:
So if a guy has his sun hit your priapus, that's the point he feels repressed since priapus gets projected on him.
Priapus is not a point of repression. In fact he might be the point where you are overdoing it trying to get close to someone. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted January 14, 2014 12:19 PM
ok i ran a few charts. I see the quincunx aspect now. quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Priapus is not a point of repression. In fact he might be the point where you are overdoing it trying to get close to someone.
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You mean in a girl's chart?
Based on the myth, I see it as repression for the guy. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 14, 2014 12:24 PM
You can`t base it on the myth (well yes you can, a lot of people do, but I personally think this is misleading).Priapus or the perigee of the Moon is where the Moon is closest to earth (and farthest from Sun), and therfore looking a lot bigger than usual, a so called Super Moon. Imagine a Moon that dominates the whole earthly realm and your mind and being. THAT is Priapus.
the Id-principle in its purest form. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted January 14, 2014 12:45 PM
ok if you really want to view it astronomically...that's fine since it's still astrology.But is it not possible that's the point males would feel their sexuality being repressed so you would somehow feel the need to balance (or overcompensate) what's being repressed? IP: Logged |
IndigoDirae
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posted January 14, 2014 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by summerlite:
Doesn't Priapus represent repressed male sexuality? To be honest, I don't really get what it's supposed to mean in a guy's or girl's chart. I probably need to reread the myths again.But i don't think BML is Priapus's match. It's like getting a shadow side to match a shadow side.
Repressed male sexuality? Hah! That'd be funny. As to whether it's shadow and shadow - why not? Anima and animus. What's wrong with that being a match?
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IndigoDirae
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posted January 14, 2014 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Indigo,I am wondering if their midpoint might relate to a balance-point between too much- too little, too far-too close now. Since midpoints are about integration. Just musing here.
I've been thinking that, too! My AMOR is right at the midpoint of his BML (which conjoins my PRIAPUS) and his MARS, which conjoins my SUN-PLUTO-BML. Unconditional love certainly seems a good route to dealing with so much sexual repression, fears of rejection and so on.
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IndigoDirae
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posted January 14, 2014 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Priapus and Lilith are just names given to calculated points.
Priapus as a matter of fact is the perigee of the MOon and LIlith is the apogee of the Moon (though there is another calculation and defintion for Lilith, too, which has more to do with her shadow aspect). the apogee and perigee of the Moon (Lilith and Priapus) are determined by the relationship between Sun, Moon and earth.
I think you described it perfectly with how the Moon looks from the Earth. PRIAPUS is definitely 'in your face', whereas BML is 'at a distance'.
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IndigoDirae
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posted January 14, 2014 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by summerlite:
ok if you really want to view it astronomically...that's fine since it's still astrology.But is it not possible that's the point males would feel their sexuality being repressed so you would somehow feel the need to balance (or overcompensate) what's being repressed?
That rings pretty true to me, honestly. His BML is conjunct his MOON, which is conjunct my PRIAPUS. I can relate to the feeling of needing to 'overcompensate' in regards to overcoming repression. In this case, both of ours. What's brought you to feel PRIAPUS is repressive, summerlite? It's a very interesting theory. I DO feel it has merit, even if it seems so unlike the myth. But, hey: sometimes it operates differently in a chart. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 14, 2014 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by summerlite:
ok if you really want to view it astronomically...that's fine since it's still astrology.But is it not possible that's the point males would feel their sexuality being repressed so you would somehow feel the need to balance (or overcompensate) what's being repressed?
Yes, I was thinking that, too.
The Moon how it looks at perigee is so overblown, like really blown out of proportions.
I think it is sensible to assume that Priapus might be some sort of overcompensation. The obsession with closeness (physical closeness at least) is so overwhelming, it seems unbalanced. And whenever that happens, I tend to think overcompensation might be at play (and reality, or a healthy expression might be somewhere in between).
So it could actually be that Priapus is overcompensating, and feels the need to do so BECAUSE of some feelings of repressions, or because society made him aware that he is not "normal" in his urges and instincts.
But unlike Lilith, he tries to assert them, push them through against any kind of obstacle, but probably with that little voice inside telling him that he is not very appreciated for doing that. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 14, 2014 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I think you described it perfectly with how the Moon looks from the Earth. PRIAPUS is definitely 'in your face', whereas BML is 'at a distance'.
Yes, that is what I mean. Now I wonder what it means having Priapus on 1 Leo in 8th house exactly squared by Uranus on the 11th house cusp. lol IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 14, 2014 02:37 PM
BTW Indigo,
relating to the myth Priapus was repressed.
Not in himself, but he was being held back by all those around him, including the goddesses he tried to rape and all the other gods. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted January 14, 2014 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW Indigo,
relating to the myth Priapus was repressed.
Not in himself, but he was being held back by all those around him, including the goddesses he tried to rape and all the other gods.
I've never looked into Priapus, this is all new to me!
But what opposes something is it's nemesis or it's balance depending on maturity, experience and it is handled! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 14, 2014 03:41 PM
Not when it comes to calculated points.
The opposing point is not a balance point, but it triggers the awareness of the need for balance.
Balance or integration can be found in the midpoint of two objects. Like with the nodal axis.
The SN is not the balance point of the NN, but the other end of the pendulum/ spectre. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted January 14, 2014 04:24 PM
In the myth, Priapus feels the need to mate like any normal males but couldn't because Hera cursed him to be impotent. He would chase nymphs and rape them (desire to mate) but each time he would fail so it got frustrating for him since he couldn't meet his needs and feel masculine. Of course there might be other meanings for Priapus since he was after all the protector of gardens (which probably mean human "seeds"). Nymphs in the myth are seen as the liliths. They are highly desirable but are devoted to their temples, have no wish to marry or succumb to male gods' sexual desires. --- Astronomically, i am starting to get the Priapus=Super moon part. Moon represents femininity. In a woman's chart,
Moon point would point to just femininity
BML point would be the femininity that's not accepted in the norms (traditional/culture roles) and you could be uncomfortable with accepting it.
Priapus point as the SuperMoon could mean the point that's twice the amount of femininity. So yes it would be "in your face" as too much femininity could mean very nurturing or very cranky. In a man's chart,
Moon point would be acceptable amount of femininity.
BML point would be femininity that's normally not accepted in the norms but desire to have it.
Priapus point as Supermoon would be twice the amount of femininity that's too overpowering for him to handle. Which is why he would feel his male sexuality (or masculinity) being oppressed. Femininity and masculinity exist in all of us. Usually, presence of femininity = absence of masculinity. You know the yin-yang. I haven't figured out what it means if a guy has planets conjunct Priapus yet. Especially a planet like Mars.  IP: Logged |
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posted January 14, 2014 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Not when it comes to calculated points.
The opposing point is not a balance point, but it triggers the awareness of the [b]need for balance.
Balance or integration can be found in the midpoint of two objects. Like with the nodal axis.
The SN is not the balance point of the NN, but the other end of the pendulum/ spectre. [/B]
Your right, I wasn't thinking/forgot about that!
I don't look at the points very often, only vertex...but it's rarely in relation to the anti vertex and same with the nodes, never looked at them in the way it relates to the other node!
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posted January 14, 2014 04:53 PM
just a little check:
Alexander skarsgard:
Priapus conjunct Pluto exact
Diego Rivera:
Priapus conjunct NN exact
Priapus conjunct ASC
Priapus square Pluto
Laurence Olivier:
Priapus conjunct DESC
Priapus square Moon exact
Priapus opposite Pluto
Richard Burton:
Priapus conjunct Jupiter
Priapus opposite Pluto
Warren Beatty:
Priapus conjunct Venus
Priapus square Pluto
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