posted April 14, 2014 04:00 PM            

thank you again.

"I'd say a predestinded grand amore with twinflame flavor (the 11th house)"
ahh

Interestingly this is also conjunct GUINEVERE on the same degree and IRELAND on 4 Sagittarius.

"does Klotho or the ASC describe your first meeting?"
Well the Sabian of the ASC is:

An Unexpected Thunderstorm

And yes, definitely unexpected meeting, but in a way it felt destined to me. Like I was following a script I did not know before about.

I think both sabians, the Samaria one as well as this one, might relate to past life connections or something karmic at least. Maybe if you go far back enough in time, we would find out, our families were somehow related. Which is one of the strongest feelings I got aobut him anyway when I met him.

"I'd say sudden ending with some pain, but also revelation - suggested by Chiron and the Sabian, like an epiphany. But a destined union nevertheless, suggested by the trines."
Yes, I know you are right. But it really gives me a pang of pain to think about the ending. I really do not want to think about it (though of course everything needs to end or transform or change eventually).

posted April 14, 2014 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
But that's the trouble with Sag, you hunt and he runs.

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posted April 14, 2014 04:03 PM            

Klotho in Aquarius/11th house: we met in a gathering of friends, part of an art club. The only aspect: Klotho trine Vertex.

Lachesis in 4th/Cancer. The only aspect: Lachesis square Eris. I guess we would have been together a long time before ending with war

Atropos on ASC 12th house Pisces conjunct Jupiter: I guess it was the best course not to be together

Me and my ex: 3 years together

Klotho in 8th Capricorn opp. Destinn/Saturn square Pluto, sextile Pholus and DSC, trine ASC: our relationship started as an erotic encounter than we moved together very quickly and became a couple almost instantly.

Lachesis in 1st house Taurus opp. Venus by 6 deg., the only aspect. 3 years is not exactly a long time, but we have remained friends until this day, our relationship is ongoing.

posted April 14, 2014 04:07 PM            

Composite Atropos 13'29 Leo conjunct composite Venus 13'36 Leo in composite 7th house. (wonder what the exact conjunction means)

Composite Klotho in first house 3'06 Pisces trine Composite MC 3'47 Scorpio

Composite Lachesis in the first house at 16'27 Aqua trine Composite Mars in Libra in the 9th 17'03

We met at a bar when I was not expecting to meet someone new. Turns out he is a very insecure man who is definetely not ready to be in a serious relationship. I knew it, he knew it but we tried anyway.

posted April 14, 2014 04:08 PM            

What's uplifting to me me is that the Lachesis/Juno conjunction is the apex of a yod that includes a Moira/Boda conjunction that makes a sextile to Lust.

Our Klothos is still the same in our Davidson and I still can't make a connection.

posted April 14, 2014 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes. and since I am a Sag myself, ther eis a lot of running involved.

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Make sure you're running to the same direction then you can reconnect on the break .

posted April 14, 2014 04:16 PM            

"Long term, by Lachesis."
That sounds good, I hope.

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Any connections between Klotho and the meeting"
Hmm, there were some other girls there, it seemed they felt like they had to rival for his attention. Something I didn`t do though. As a matter of fact even though I had been coming to the stage door, by the time, he came out, I was in the background, leaning against a wall,observing the giggling girls there, and the other actor, and did not move a bit to get closer to him. Actually HE approached me first. I suppose he saw me standing there, and well, I donīt know why he came down the stairs straight towards me. Actually the other girls were stepping into his way to stop him and get his attention. I was a little puzzled baffled confused and totally overwhelmed. Why would he come to me first? It did not seem to make any sense to me. lol

There certainly was a strong attraction surfacing on my side. And it caught me unaware. Blindsided me. I never saw it coming. lol
Maybe that is the quinkunx to Lust and Aphrodite?

"I wonder what Persephone means, always near your Atropos."
And conjunct DESTINN as well.

Well, Proserpina-Pluto is our strongest soulmate pairing (persephone fits into this as well). We have the DW in synastry (trine and sextile), the square in composite. And in the helio composite Pluto sextiles Persephone and they are part of a HUGE STar of DAvid pattern involving Venus, Ceres-Aura, Jupiter, DEstinn-Persephone, Pluto-Union and Neptune. All from 11-14 degrees in fire and air. With the 13 degrees being very prominent (Venus 13 Aquarius, Aura 13 Aries, Destinn 13 Leo, Pluto 13 LIbra).

helio composite also has

MOIRA conjunct TYCHE on 23 Scorpio, being conjnct geo composite VALENTINE on 23 Scorpio exact, and LUST by one degree (22 Sco.

Atropos has no connection to Chiron or union in the helio composite.

in helio DAvison ATROPOS is conjunct KLOTHO and KLOTHO conjuncts Pluto (all near my natal Pluto)

helio LACHESIS on 20 Scorpio, MOIRA on 22 Taurus (can`t escape these degrees, it seem)

I find this so interesting as it connects to our geo composite which has

JUNO 22 TAurus
ALMA 20 Taurus in 4th house

VALENTINE on 23 Scorpio
LUST on 22 Scorpio
ANGEL on 23 SCorpio I think

Moon on 22 Capricorn

CERES on 23 Pisces
AURA and ISIS on 24 Pisces

posted April 14, 2014 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Leeloo, I see with the ex of 3 years you have some nice aspect to Atropos (sextile Mercury, trine Pluto), but maybe it must have some Lachesis aspects to back that up.
And with the crush, Atropos on ASC and Jupiter, have you looked at the Sabians symbol?

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Thanks, Tulipe, good idea.

Sabians:

With crush (BTW, Atropos on 29 Pisces phew)

Klotho: A deserter from the navy - another phew
Atropos: Light breaking into many colors as it passes through a prism. Dissipation, maybe?

With ex:

Klotho: Birds in the house singing happily. hehehe It was like this in the beginning, pure euphoria.

Atropos: Beautifully gowned wax figures on display. Totally cool! We broke up because of him checking and flirting with every woman on the face of the Earth, from 10 to 90 years old. He said: "each one has something beautiful, something special" more hehehe

posted April 14, 2014 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thanks, Tulipe, good idea.

Sabians:

With crush (BTW, Atropos on 29 Pisces phew)

Klotho: [b]A deserter from the navy - another phew
Atropos: Light breaking into many colors as it passes through a prism. Dissipation, maybe?

With ex:

Klotho: Birds in the house singing happily. hehehe It was like this in the beginning, pure euphoria.

Atropos: Beautifully gowned wax figures on display. Totally cool! We broke up because of him checking and flirting with every woman on the face of the Earth, from 10 to 90 years old. He said: "each one has something beautiful, something special" more hehehe

I tell you, there's something with the Three Fates! [/B]

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"With crush (BTW, Atropos on 29 Pisces phew"

posted April 14, 2014 04:43 PM            

I just knew i HAD to reach the hut. I think I was having a lover who waited there for me, and we wanted to run away together.
I never made it to the hut in that dream. Just almost, and I stopped when I realized that I wouldn`t make it in time, and I didn`t want to endanger my lover. It was enough if one of us was killed.
the last thing I remember from that dream is the back of the rifle coming towards me.

hehehe Lady Chatterley??

Seriously now, Ceri, OMG, you do have some violent dreams. So you were the duck???

Here's an interesting take on that degree by Rudhyar:

SECOND LEVEL: EMOTIONAL/CULTURAL

PHASE 246 (SAGITTARIUS 6°): A GAME OF CRICKET.

KEYNOTE: The development of skill in group-situations testing collective goals.

Any society is built on the interplay between groups of people, each group united by an at least temporary aim. The individual person within the group is assigned a particular role in the play; and definite rules have to be obeyed. The game teaches not only personal skill, but fairness and cooperation. Where this symbol is found, the value of making individual-will or ego-will subservient to collective cultural patterns is emphasized. Several symbols belonging to Scene Seventeen (Sagittarius) relate to games or group rituals, because these are "ab-stracted" from everyday social behavior and used as educative means to develop group-consciousness and an individual sense- of responsibility to the group.

This is the first symbol of the fiftieth five-fold sequence. It refers to the importance of developing GROUP SOLIDARITY.

posted April 14, 2014 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
"With crush (BTW, Atropos on 29 Pisces phew"

Why do you say this? Is there something to 29Pisces?

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A deserter, as you can see

posted April 14, 2014 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
A deserter, as you can see

Seriously now, I think 29 Pisces could bring either total dissolution, or total merging, a very extreme degree IMO. It's the last point before the zodiac starts.

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posted April 14, 2014 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Actually it reminded me of a dream I was having many many years ago, in that dream I was running away from my jealous abusive husband (I never had encountered any abuse until then, I was growing up in an idyll - no clue what triggered this dream), and I was running over a meadow, trying to reach a hut, fully knowing that if he caught up with me, he would kill me, or at least beat me so hard that I probably would die later on from that.

[b]I just knew i HAD to reach the hut. I think I was having a lover who waited there for me, and we wanted to run away together.
I never made it to the hut in that dream. Just almost, and I stopped when I realized that I wouldn`t make it in time, and I didn`t want to endanger my lover. It was enough if one of us was killed.
the last thing I remember from that dream is the back of the rifle coming towards me.

hehehe Lady Chatterley??

Seriously now, Ceri, OMG, you do have some violent dreams. So you were the duck???

Here's an interesting take on that degree by Rudhyar:

SECOND LEVEL: EMOTIONAL/CULTURAL

PHASE 246 (SAGITTARIUS 6°): A GAME OF CRICKET.

KEYNOTE: The development of skill in group-situations testing collective goals.

Any society is built on the interplay between groups of people, each group united by an at least temporary aim. The individual person within the group is assigned a particular role in the play; and definite rules have to be obeyed. The game teaches not only personal skill, but fairness and cooperation. Where this symbol is found, the value of making individual-will or ego-will subservient to collective cultural patterns is emphasized. Several symbols belonging to Scene Seventeen (Sagittarius) relate to games or group rituals, because these are "ab-stracted" from everyday social behavior and used as educative means to develop group-consciousness and an individual sense- of responsibility to the group.

This is the first symbol of the fiftieth five-fold sequence. It refers to the importance of developing GROUP SOLIDARITY.

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Actually I never read Lady Chatterly.

Yes, if that is what it is, group solidarity, hmm, okay. I am not faring well in groups, or I did not feel comfortable in them, esp. with all the social pressure and rules. Never really accepted this.

posted April 14, 2014 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I have a random question: what do you think about composite Chiron on someone's Sun?

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Cappy, the way I see it, Sun conjunct Chiron in a composite could mean many things, depending on the house, the aspects etc. A special relationship nevertheless.

posted April 14, 2014 05:09 PM            

You are right. Initially I wanted to write only about Two Fates, because for an optimist like me, Atropos makes my heart cringe. But then I said what the heck? I can't exclude Atropos. The Fates are Three!

posted April 14, 2014 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Lilith Rising:
With my ex with whom I had a full of ups and downs relationship and a "sudden" break up after many fights:

Composite Atropos 13'29 Leo conjunct composite Venus 13'36 Leo in composite 7th house. (wonder what the exact conjunction means)

Composite Klotho in first house 3'06 Pisces trine Composite MC 3'47 Scorpio

Composite Lachesis in the first house at 16'27 Aqua trine Composite Mars in Libra in the 9th 17'03

We met at a bar when I was not expecting to meet someone new. Turns out he is a very insecure man who is definetely not ready to be in a serious relationship. I knew it, he knew it but we tried anyway.

Do you guys think atropos conjunct venus can mean a "doomed placement"?

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Thanks for posting, Lilith Rising.
Wow, great placements for your Fates.

I think Atropos in Leo 7th house conjunct Venus shows the many turning points your relationship had, many break-ups followed by reconciliations out of love (Venus in Leo). But eventually, Venus conjunct Atropos might be a little bit "doomed" after all.

What a nice placement for meeting in a bar: Klotho in Pisces

posted April 14, 2014 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ok, well normally I NEVER see anything in our Davison (un-corrected BTW) but in this case
Lachesis is @ 20'19 Scorpio conjunct Juno by 3'
And square Saturn in Leo wide 4'

What's uplifting to me me is that the Lachesis/Juno conjunction is the apex of a yod that includes a Moira/Boda conjunction that makes a sextile to Lust.

Our Klothos is still the same in our Davidson and I still can't make a connection.

So what does that mean when Lachesis is not in a fixed sign in the tropical composite but IS in a fixed sign in the Davison? How does one know if it'll be long term or not?

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Tgem, I'll need the aspects of Lachesis in composite and Davison: sign, house and aspects with major planets, angles, some important asteroids maybe, to get a clearer picture. Simple aspects, not declinations or esoteric.

The same for Klotho. The house, sign and aspects should speak a bit about the beginning of your relationship. For example, I didn't get the house and sign for your Klotho in Davison and composite.

posted April 14, 2014 05:26 PM            

'Atropos: Light breaking into many colors as it passes through a prism.'
This Sabian to me has something beautiful and spiritual to it. A discovery?

'Klotho: Birds in the house singing happily.' seems like a scene in the Enchanted movie , all dreamy and promising.

'Atropos: Beautifully gowned wax figures on display. Totally cool! We broke up because of him checking and flirting with every woman on the face of the Earth, from 10 to 90 years old. He said: "each one has something beautiful, something special" more hehehe'
OMD, that is his Uranian way? Sounds like a Taurus is assessing his costly piece of art. Anw, it fit nicely with the Sabian.

And yes, the three Moirae are some forces to reckon with.

posted April 14, 2014 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Leeloo,

"Long term, by Lachesis."
That sounds good, I hope.

"
Any connections between Klotho and the meeting"
Hmm, there were some other girls there, it seemed they felt like they had to rival for his attention. Something I didn`t do though. As a matter of fact even though I had been coming to the stage door, by the time, he came out, I was in the background, leaning against a wall,observing the giggling girls there, and the other actor, and did not move a bit to get closer to him. Actually HE approached me first. I suppose he saw me standing there, and well, I donīt know why he came down the stairs straight towards me. Actually the other girls were stepping into his way to stop him and get his attention. I was a little puzzled baffled confused and totally overwhelmed. Why would he come to me first? It did not seem to make any sense to me. lol

There certainly was a strong attraction surfacing on my side. And it caught me unaware. Blindsided me. I never saw it coming. lol
Maybe that is the quinkunx to Lust and Aphrodite?

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posted April 14, 2014 05:31 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Maybe you can be his masseuse?

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posted April 14, 2014 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
'Klotho: [b]A deserter from the navy' missed opportunity?

'Atropos: Light breaking into many colors as it passes through a prism.'
This Sabian to me has something beautiful and spiritual to it. A discovery?

'Klotho: Birds in the house singing happily.' seems like a scene in the Enchanted movie , all dreamy and promising.

'Atropos: Beautifully gowned wax figures on display. Totally cool! We broke up because of him checking and flirting with every woman on the face of the Earth, from 10 to 90 years old. He said: "each one has something beautiful, something special" more hehehe'
OMD, that is his Uranian way? Sounds like a Taurus is assessing his costly piece of art. Anw, it fit nicely with the Sabian.

And yes, the three Moirae are some forces to reckon with.

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Great insights, Tulipe, definitely a "missed opportunity". Crush synastry and composite are both good, BTW. But in the end, he was a great disappointment to me, like an illusion suddenly showing itself as an illusion (maybe that's what the prism is, although I like that Sabian too). I thought him to be gentle, shy, pure and he proved to be rude and primitive. Luckily, I didn't get involved with him. Strange thing, I remember kissing him, we kissed once, and I've felt something I had never felt before: a strange warning up my spine. I think he was violent or had some genetic disorder or something: they say women can instinctively feel that, on an animal level. At first, he seemed totally my type, in all the ways, but proved to be a bubble.

About the ex: bad bad Aquarian obviously, not all Aquarian energy is bad, there's goood Aquarian energy and the bad bad one

posted April 14, 2014 06:03 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Interesting- here's the composite of me and Cusp with the four asteroids. Maybe there's hope for a positive destiny??!!

Lachesis @ 26'19 Sag on GC in 4th
Conjunct Juno 3'
Square union 2'
Quintile Pluto 0'
Quincux Boda 0'
Parallel atropos and neptune
Contra parallel jupiter

Atropos in 4th Sag
Square ASC 0'
Sextile Pluto 2.5'
Parallel alma, neptune and IC
Opposite and contrparallel jupiter 1'

Kloth @ 3' Scorpio opposite our Sedna (betrayal)/Chiron conjunction.
Ironically, Kloth sits on cusp of our 3rd house....betrayal through communication....pfft...nice.

Last but not least Moira:
Sits in fixed sign Taurus in the 9th
Square Saturn (2.5) in fixed sign Leo
And sextile sun 0' and union 2.5'
Parallel Boda and Groom

[IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps2f0b5a3 7.jpg[/IMG]

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I posted this earlier..maybe you didn't see the link to the chart at the bottom. Hopefully it will give you a clearer picture?