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posted January 01, 2016 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting ! Thanks Faith for sharing all this and Seimei as well ofcourse..

Well my Venus Northnode conjuncts my Valentine and both conjunct my husband's Moon's Northnode.

My husband's Venus conjuncts his Venus Northnode and my Mars.

My Ex Psyche Northnode conjuncts exact my Mercury Rx which rules my 7th.

I dont know how I feel about this technique but excited to look into it...

What do you guys think about an asteroid southnode conjuncting my Moon's northnode?

Ex Anteros Southnode conjuncts my Moon's Northnode...Does node on node count?

My AMOR Northnode conjuncts my husband's JUPITER and my AMOR Southnode conjuncts* my Ex Moon.

My husband's AMOR northnode conjuncts my SUN..awwwwwwww

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quote:
Originally posted by Faith:

I still can't picture what you're saying...
'Never got a handle on the visual nuts & bolts of astrology.

But it sounds convincing.


Good Morning and Welcome to 2016,


That circle represents a plane.
simple geometry.
Just conceive each stellar body has mass, a center and an orbit.The bodies move around the Sun but do not deviate from their orbits. An image like the one you show for each, lines out at the poles that will intersect with other lines.Well what that image shows as circle visualize as a plane to be intersected by others' line
You already read in link at start about the Helio nodes
I do not believe I am good a drawing a picture with words,,

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posted January 01, 2016 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Happy New Year!

@hypatia ~ Thanks for jumping into the topic. Your comment is about the geocentric nodes, different than the heliocentric. The helio nodes hardly move at all & are more like a fixed point associated with a planet or asteroid.

Have you read the Rudhyar article I posted at the beginning? It's good!

But your nodal synastry is very interesting. I think geo nodes would be more valuable for synastry since there are more individualized points to play with ~ helio nodes are more likely to emphasize personality characteristics, from what I understand. They are more the "synastry" between the solar system and the person.

But I'm new at this, and I don't want to pressure Seimei to teach us everything he knows.

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posted January 01, 2016 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't be sad, Seimei!

quote:
Originally posted by Seimei:
Well what that image shows as circle visualize as a plane to be intersected by others' line

That's what I figured...

quote:
Originally posted by Seimei:
I do not believe I am good a drawing a picture with words

I'm not good at building mental images. Even if you were a master, I'd still be fumbling along.

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posted January 01, 2016 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@hypatia

Here's an older LL thread about Planetary Nodes:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015709.html

Glaucus appears well-read on the topic and his opinion, as stated there, is:

quote:
the geocentric planetary nodes can be used in synastry. I read that south geocentric planetary nodes of personal planets can be indicators of karmic pastlife connections.

I might start copying over more from that thread.

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posted January 01, 2016 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another resource for the overachievers:

Jeffrey Wolf Green on Plantary Nodes Part 1
Jeffrey Wolf Green on Plantary Nodes Part 2

Four-hour lecture.

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posted January 01, 2016 01:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know you have heard of this one..


148780 Altjira aka 2001 UQ18 Discovered 2001 Oct. 20 by the Deep Ecliptic Survey at Kitt Peak.
According to the mythology of the Arrernte in central Australia, Altjira was the central god of the Dreamtime who created the earth and then retired to the sky.
Heliocentric Nodes n/s ar/li
1980 1 ar 40 2016 2 ar 13

So this deep space objects' helio nodes align with the SGC!

ALSO

1035 Amata
Roman mythology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amata
Etymology
From Latin amata, loved, beloved; feminine perfect passive participle of amare, love. It can also be interpreted as the feminine form of the saint's name Amatus.
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posted January 01, 2016 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's the SGC? Should I know that already?

Thanks, I see HNN of Amata @ 2.11 Aries is conjunct HNN of Altjira @ 2.13 Aries. Interesting!

Added those to my list in the OP.

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posted January 01, 2016 05:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Super Galactic Center AKA m87

There are a number of threads here on that, so Yes you are supposed to know that already,,lol

http://www.philipsedgwick.com/Galactic/ZS.htm

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posted January 01, 2016 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Thank you.

Holy cr*p that gives "depth" whole new meaning. Makes Scorpio Venus look fickle in comparison.

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The black hole personality here possesses unbelievable powers of attraction. They can fish in even the most resistant potential partner once they attach their potent gravity beam. The charisma, charm and appeal of these people runs off the personality charts. They do more than woo you on the psychological level. They capture you energetically. Then, they demand your energy. They usurp your essence taking you down into their void. This condition lasts until the perception of the contributor realizes the magnitude of exhaustive sacrifices unconsciously being rendered. The partner breaks free with absolute and sheer volition. Others comment upon return of the participant that they have been gone for a long time. To the one who fell into the void, it lasted forever... as long as the blink of an unseeing eye. Regardless, this transaction does contain a strange symbiosis. Both people need each other in a specific, unavoidable way. The relationship actually fulfills a relationship destiny, leaving both lesser in energy, but hopefully wiser in perception.

No thanks! I prefer ignorance.

But I figured, Sedgwick must be heavy Scorpio to even envision this scenario? http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Philip_Sedgwick

Lucky guess.

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quote:
Originally posted by Faith:

Thank you.

Holy cr*p that gives "depth" whole new meaning. Makes Scorpio Venus look fickle in comparison.

No thanks! I prefer ignorance.

But I figured, Sedgwick must be heavy Scorpio to even envision this scenario? http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Philip_Sedgwick

Lucky guess.


I WENT THRU THIS LIST> http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003696.html

THAT LIST was created here with the GREAT help of Voix_de_la_Mer and Peluches.
I finally went thru the list checking>
A) geocentric positions basically against position in my chart I have in my head, sun, moon,Ic,ASC so forth and
B) FOR ERRORS,, that is all
done
Earlier in this thread I posted a small group of the Helio nodal positions after placing them in order by 180 aries/libra and so forth. Naturally because the south H. node of one asteroid can be the north H. node of another.
This is a task few would endeavor. It is a bit like planting trees when their shade can only possibly be enjoyed by someone else. But imagine the entire list gone over just for Helio nodes to create a reference. I started today with the date Jan. 1 1981 as 99% or more won't move a degree in 60 years.
I don't now when I will get finished. I started today just looking for the h nodes in ARIES
It would be wonderful if someone could just write a program to do this, get access to the entire minor planet database and then make it available < pipe dream except that I quit smoking the pipe.Like if the NGCR did this they would not share it
Let me know what you think of my crazy daunting idea of a task. On the list in link posted above I thought it would take me forever, however Peluches wanted to know the same thing I wanted to know. The position of
every single asteroid conjunct my asc or sun or******. It is a thankless task basically
because so few may use it, it seems. Voix_de_la_Mer joined in as well and now neither are presently current on site. Life.

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posted January 01, 2016 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Oh wow, you CAN insert that whole huge list and get all the names and placements!!

Was there already a list in alphabetical order, to make it easier?

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Let me know what you think of my crazy daunting idea of a task.

Well I love it. Somebody ought to do it, right? Eventually this will get done? I agree, it'd be nice if there was a program that did it automatically.

Sounds like something I would enjoy doing for a while...but not if nobody used it. As you said, thankless task.

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The position of
every single asteroid conjunct my asc or sun or******.

LOL, what planetary body is a swear word? Six asterisks...that's a riddle.

quote:
It is a bit like planting trees when their shade can only possibly be enjoyed by someone else.

You wouldn't enjoy it, too?

I'm thinking, you probably found tons of asteroids that aspect your ******, etc, and gathered meanings from them. While I know very little about my chart's whole asteroid picture.

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posted January 01, 2016 10:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:

Oh wow, you CAN insert that whole huge list and get all the names and placements!!
No way, only maybe 200 at a time
Was there already a list in alphabetical order, to make it easier?

Basically we just listed all the numbers in csv so anyone interested can use list.
I know some have no interest and to others
knowledge is a tease
you know this answer> http://www.astro.com/swisseph/astlist.htm http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/iau/lists/MPNames.html
You wouldn't enjoy it, too?
Point was
Takes long time to grow an oak to full shade,and it out lives the person who plants it.
I'm thinking, you probably found tons of asteroids that aspect your ******, etc, and gathered meanings from them. While I know very little about my chart's whole asteroid picture.



More than I can fathom really, but haven't given up. Someday I will try to confirm ancestry beyond my scant 400 year family tree that I suspect is shown in many asteroids.
Literally I am still working to coalesce all my notes and likely will be for a while
It is an outrageous amount of work.
Researching the nodes is compelling to me.
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posted January 01, 2016 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
you know this answer>

Forgot

Really, it would take that long to do the list? I was thinking a few weeks, but maybe that's unrealistic.

That's cool, that your asteroids hint some things about your ancestry. I'd like to know what kind of patterns you noticed, but I feel like I ask you too many questions.

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posted January 02, 2016 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seimei:
I WENT THRU THIS LIST> http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003696.html

THAT LIST was created here with the GREAT help of Voix_de_la_Mer and Peluches.
I finally went thru the list checking>
A) geocentric positions basically against position in my chart I have in my head, sun, moon,Ic,ASC so forth and
B) FOR ERRORS,, that is all
done
Earlier in this thread I posted a small group of the Helio nodal positions after placing them in order by 180 aries/libra and so forth. Naturally because the south H. node of one asteroid can be the north H. node of another.
This is a task few would endeavor. It is a bit like planting trees when their shade can only possibly be enjoyed by someone else. But imagine the entire list gone over just for Helio nodes to create a reference. I started today with the date Jan. 1 1981 as 99% or more won't move a degree in 60 years.
I don't now when I will get finished. I started today just looking for the h nodes in ARIES
It would be wonderful if someone could just write a program to do this, get access to the entire minor planet database and then make it available < pipe dream except that I quit smoking the pipe.Like if the NGCR did this they would not share it
Let me know what you think of my crazy daunting idea of a task. On the list in link posted above I thought it would take me forever, however Peluches wanted to know the same thing I wanted to know. The position of
every single asteroid conjunct my asc or sun or******. It is a thankless task basically
because so few may use it, it seems. Voix_de_la_Mer joined in as well and now neither are presently current on site. Life.


... Speak of the devil.

So, Seimei. I feel ... Virgo-y again. (Read : 'up for a new sorting out and referencing of asteroids'. ) I'll help as much as I can, before school resumes on the 4th, and in the evening only from then on (that'd be the only possible time... sorry ! But I'll try and speed up a little). I just need to figure out what to do exactly, and I'm on it.

quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
I have a Mercury-Uranus-Saturn t-square.

I have one too ! Uranus at the apex, and yours ?

Seimei, saw your post in Astrology 2.0 earlier -- Happy New Year ! to you as well and Faith, hope it brings you both lots of happiness.

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posted January 02, 2016 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Peluches!

Happy New Year & wishing you the same

It's good to see you

Our t-squares may overlap? I've got:

6 Scorpio Uranus
5 Aqua Mercury
0 Leo Saturn

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quote:
Originally posted by Peluches:
I have one too ! Uranus at the apex, and yours ?

Seimei, saw your post in Astrology 2.0 earlier -- Happy New Year ! to you as well and Faith, hope it brings you both lots of happiness.


You disappeared from here it seems around
your birthday.
So I type your name and you show up,mm.

Peluches , no way I want to ask you to help
,u did so much on the last one. I don't want you to sacrifice your remaining free time. It would feel like I am taking advantage of you.

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posted January 02, 2016 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks Peluches!

Happy New Year & wishing you the same

It's good to see you

Our t-squares may overlap? I've got:

6 Scorpio Uranus
5 Aqua Mercury
0 Leo Saturn


Mine's also fixed !

17° Scorpio Mercury
12° Aquarius Uranus
15° Taurus Saturn

And your T-Square also on my :

1° Aquarius Moon Neptune
0° Taurus Jupiter
0° Leo Pallas

Wow.

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posted January 02, 2016 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seimei:
You disappeared from here it seems around
your birthday.
So I type your name and you show up,mm.

Peluches , no way I want to ask you to help
,u did so much on the last one. I don't want you to sacrifice your remaining free time. It would feel like I am taking advantage of you.


Not at all. Promise. Although, on second thought, I might be more of a burden, actually (sorting them out separately would mean later having to rearrange them back together in zodiacal order, so more work). I guess it could work if we both had access to what's already referenced, and then added to it. (Sorry if it seems like I'm insisting, but I feel bad leaving you everything to do...) Anyway. If you need any help, just ask.

I may not be posting anymore, but I'm here. Disappeared a little before my birthday, but I come back and see what's happening from time to time.

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I may not be posting anymore, but I'm here.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You mean you have been LURKING,, wow.
No further comment.

""Although, on second thought, I might be more of a burden, actually (sorting them out separately would mean later having to rearrange them back together in zodiacal order, so more work). I guess it could work if we both had access to what's already referenced, and then added to it.""""

Yeah I have not committed to a method as I am not sure what is best, searching out from each letter all nodes in each sign and then ordering those one sign at a time or finding nodes for all and then ordering all, and YES how do we coordinate in order to work together or what?



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posted January 02, 2016 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seimei:

You mean you have been LURKING,, wow.
No further comment.

... I don't understand... Is it really that bad ? I've just been having a lot of work to do, and so ... just browsing here for a few minutes in my spare time.

As for the asteroids' Helio Nodes, the fastest way to do it, technically, would be working with each letter and sorting them out gradually in order on one list. However, for that method to work with two people or more, both would need to have access to the list to edit it ... which is possible currently only by each of us posting the new updated list we would have worked on, on a thread we'd have created for that purpose.

Or, a technically longer method, but otherwise more encouraging, would be going through all asteroids and 'picking out' only those whose Helio Nodes would be in a particular sign (or axis) that would have been assigned to each of us (e.g. I do Leo/Aquarius, etc.). That would be more convenient to reassemble everyone's work at the end, just by copying and pasting, and have the complete list finished.

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posted January 02, 2016 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the work can be divided into sections, I'm game to cover one section at a time...will accept more sections as I go along, if I can. My life's a bit rumbly at the moment and I don't want to make a permanent commitment to a long-term project. But I can "freelance." ETA: And I'll get it right, unlike at the beginning of this thread.

Peluches, my 16 Aries Jupiter and 16 Gemini Mars create a yod with your Mercury.

So hi!!!!!!!

*showing air-fire enthusiasm for your deep, deep, mind*

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quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
If the work can be divided into sections, I'm game to cover one section at a time...will accept more sections as I go along, if I can. My life's a bit rumbly at the moment and I don't want to make a permanent commitment to a long-term project. But I can "freelance." ETA: And I'll get it right, unlike at the beginning of this thread.

Peluches, my 16 Aries Jupiter and 16 Gemini Mars create a yod with your Mercury.

So hi!!!!!!!

*showing air-fire enthusiasm for your deep, deep, mind*


Well Peluches is superfast and I am slower than molasses,lol, but I have just barely started looking only for all in Aries. whenever all are done if we can always re arrange in a new thread, have randall lock old , or have a mod pass pieces amongst us via email until we get a section ready,, I dunno.
I'll keep working Aries I guess, Faith you want to tackle all nodes in Libra and then we can sort together via email swap,
Peluches could start hunting all in Cancer/cap <, just an idea

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Oh no, You can Lurk all you want,
Just missed u

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posted January 03, 2016 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love you both ... And I'm doing Aquarius !

(... after a little while...)

This is exhausting ! And I've only just finished sorting out the As' NNODEs... Seimei, you're gonna go faster than me this time.

Btw, this is how I'm writing mine out, is it okay ? I'm also doing only the NNs, not the SNs (when we're done, we can just remind people to check for the opposite placement as well) :

AQUARIUS

00°39' -- (4339) Almamater
00°42' -- (465) Alekto
00°51' -- (5806) Archieroy
00°55' -- (19148) Alaska
01°01' -- (12609) Apollodoros

(etc.)

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