posted July 15, 2016 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:

Gabby,
thank you for more astrology.
Mars on Nessus triggering dark feelings or thoughts makes sense.
Mars would really poke Nessus with a stick though, I would think that Mars would be a challenge to Nessus' sense of power, which would naturally lead one to *consider* darker thoughts and deeds, in order to *win*.

But again, your INTEGRITY, and AWARENESS of your darker nature (we all have one) led you to work through those feelings instead of harming someone, and in doing so, you loosen Nessus' power to do harm, and gain WISDOM that can be used to empower or protect others.

This is what I am talking about!

I understand your caution Gabby, however, the fact we don't know who is self-aware and who is not, is more reason to fully explore Nessus IMO.

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I dont in anyway think seeing a conjunction to Nessus means the person is a bad person.
Im not a bad person, if someone had told me i was when they saw my chart, id be devistated. They would be wrong to!!

posted July 15, 2016 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I would say less than half of the ppl are striving to be self aware, so the majority are not. But then again i live in the US, so it could a biased opinion due to my area, this country being more self involved and less self aware. We dont teach self awareness, care or concern for others on TV so ppl don't think it's that important. Even our religions are built in ways that tear ppl down not build them up.
So my statement is based on what i see here...i hope other countries are much more awake!

I agree many astolgers are unaware...but as a general rule the ones of is seeking answers through astrology are searching for deeper meanings.

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I suppose my main concern, personally, is the vulnerability of many seekers, and I include myself at one time.

posted July 15, 2016 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I dont in anyway think seeing a conjunction to Nessus means the person is a bad person.
Im not a bad person, if someone had told me i was when they saw my chart, id be devistated. They would be wrong to!!

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posted July 15, 2016 03:59 PM            

However, it would be a better tool if it was based on sound research, and we have none of that, only theories and anecdotes.

Also, perhaps "tools" can interfere with intuition, which is more important. Especially when you have something like a jackhammer, which is what Nessus astrology seems to be.

Edit: Sorry I phrased that badly.

posted July 15, 2016 04:16 PM            

My Nessus sits in Sag at 28 degrees in the 2nd house. It is sextile Venus exact, Mars and Ascendant; square Jupiter and Trine Saturn. It is so easy for me to catch when someone is trying to brainwash me in the way of their "beliefs" so to speak that I often shut these people out of my lives. I was psychologically abused as a child and often my father tries to push his beliefs on me by telling me that I'm a christian and so forth, even though I have no desire to believe in any sort of religion. I'm also in a position where I struggle with such (homosexual whilst having a religious father), and so it only makes things more difficult.

As for the second house influence, I'm not sure how it plays out. Often I had been told many things about how "worthless" I was and often can pick up on other people's signs of self-confidence. Often ego-hungry people make me angry and can often set off a wrong nerve in my system.

Other than that, I don't know how Nessus affects me. If you don't mind, perhaps we can fiddle with how Nessus plays out like this?

posted July 15, 2016 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
It is a tool, and I view tarot the same way.

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posted July 15, 2016 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Just putting a heart out there in tribute to everyone's pain and experiences, Nessus or not...

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posted July 15, 2016 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I never said anything like that??
I KNOW you aren't a bad person Gabby, not sure what has gotten lost in translation here!

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Im not saying you said that Voix! Lol, not at all, never!!
All im saying is the astrologers that see hard aspects to Nessus in a chart and immediately say the person is going to be abusive...thats so irresponsible because some ppl are here to learn how to deal with n defeat this energy, as I was.

posted July 15, 2016 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I suppose my main concern, personally, is the vulnerability of many seekers, and I include myself at one time.

Many seek answers when something painful has happened in their life, they want to understand it better.
So when we seek for this reason, we are wide open to what comes in.
Even the most discerning seeker can be mislead if what is said is triggering to their personal vulnerabilities or experiences.

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posted July 15, 2016 05:39 PM            

Being "bound" to our charts does not allow for one to evolve, and therefore eliminates the purpose of having come here in order to find our true "purpose" in our life. We are not destined to be good or evil people; it is entirely up to what we choose to do with ourselves and our lives that makes us who we are. We are always changing, and these changes allow for us to become better, greater people as time changes. I could be a totally different person with the same chart based on the actions I take, because that is what truly describes who I am, as it should everyone else and their actions.

posted July 15, 2016 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
I was informed here that my son would abuse his gf, because his Nessus was conjunct her Dsc. But nothing like that ever occurred. They parted as her career took her to a different city.

Certainly, it wasn't a nice thing to hear.

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That's horrible!! Thats why ppl need to look at aspects n get to know the person before they make snap judgements like that.

I have several cases i could share regarding ppl who hurt me, their Nessus aspected my Dejanira and not much else.
The one that physically hurt me...it was his Mars on my Nessus, but my Nessus is retrograde.
Ive never seen Nessus placed on someones angle creating this.
My guy has Nessus conjunct his NN, opposed my Sun and hes the first man that has loved me whole heartedly n helped me learn to trust again.
Plus his Pluto is on my Dejanira, his Jupiter is on my Nessus/Mars conjunction.....all he is, is kind, tender n so loving.

posted July 15, 2016 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Saturn8_Me:
I cannot speak from a personal stand point, but my love interest has this. His NESSUS is 29Scorpio and his PLUTO (IC ruler) is 0Sagittarius. I would never describe him as abusive, just extremely focused and driven about the things that affect him deeply.

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Pluto conjunct Nessus could be a person who in this life will breakdown the Nessus energy and find new productive ways to use n focus it. But im sure there would be some dark days for that person that make them see the need to makes in their core, in their environment or perhaps changes in our world.
There could be events or ppl esp from his homelife or childhood that may have brought or will bring out things they dont like in themselves. But honestly who doesn't have that happen?!

posted July 15, 2016 07:40 PM            

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Sometimes I wish that astrologers today, as in older times, still had to calculate each chart by hand. At least this would greatly reduce the amount of bogus readings out there (and of wannabe astrologers active in the market), and most people would think twice whether to actually cast yet another chart, or whether to just use their common sense this time.

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Great point

But I love how accessible astrology has become; in olden days I as a woman may not have any access to the education and tools needed to become an astrologer. And it's taken me a few years to respect just how accurate it is, and I still have a long way to go.

We're all on a learning curve together, in some ways.

posted July 16, 2016 09:53 AM            

Seems most of us are spiritual enough that we want to keep the astrology positive.

posted July 16, 2016 11:36 AM              

exactly.
That is why I have developed this almost obsessive hunt for different predictive methods, to find one that works.

(so far one that seems to work reliably in terms of when some communication will take place between Mr Sag and me, are the Age harmonic charts, and the MErcury-positions in them, along with luminaries to angles. But that is HIGHLY specific and could just be specific to us or a coincidence. lol)