posted July 31, 2016 09:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
That may be a tall order, but sure, we can try.

I wonder if we would see Nessus-Hercules-Dejanira appear where there has been a love triangle?
Effectively, this is what the myth implies, I think.

This may be better as another thread, where those who have either been in a love triangle, or know of someone who was/is can share their findings.

Obviously the first definition would need to be who is who.

Hercules: the fiance, long-term partner
Nessus: the "other man"
Dejanira: the coveted female

These definitions are taking liberties though, and very simplistic, but for the purposes of initial study, may be useful.

What do you think Faith, should we have a thread for this?

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I'm sorry, I haven't been keeping up with this thread, and missed your post!

I like the study as you designed it.

Miss seeing you around, and I'm not sure if you're still posting.

posted July 31, 2016 10:39 PM            

532 Herculina?

Mine's @ 5 Aries...
Hmm, did an event chart just now to see where it falls, and the transiting ASC @ 6 Aries.

posted August 01, 2016 04:57 AM              

(it`s the original Greek name for Hercules; Hercules is the Roman version)

Herculina could be the female version of "little Hercules", but I am not sure

so

5143,532,157,7066

BTW Tr Nessus is conjunct Tr Herculina by 1 degree currently.
and square Tr Dejanira, I mean for real?

Tr Nessus 4°39 Pisces r
Tr Herculina 5°24 r
Tr Dejanira 5°30 Gemini

I guess Dejanira has had it with the two idiots and decided to move on, while the two are still locked in combat while going backwards.

posted August 01, 2016 05:08 AM              

Pallas 2°36 Pisces
Ceres 2°53 Taurus
Vesta 2°39 Cancer
(Mercury 2°28 Virgo)
Juno 3°05 Scorpio

posted August 01, 2016 05:52 AM            

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Originally posted by May2900:
First thing, I absolutely love this thread. Nessus always fascinated me, and since it's prominent in my chart I felt the need to discover everything I could possibly read about it
Second, it happened to me to be told that I will mentally/subconsciously abuse people. Well, surely that triggered my curiosity (okay, obsession. Sue me) and now... here I am
I have a 5th Rx Scorpio Nessus conjunct my 5th Scorpio Moon (my Chart ruler) by 3', conjunct my 6th Rx Scorpio Pluto by 4' and conjunct my 5th Scorpio Vertex by 1'

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Hello May! Good to see you here.

Yes, there are many 2-dimensional interpretations of Nessus placements, this is why we are all here, as we know this cannot possibly be true. Is it true for any other placement? Nup.

Question: have you ever been aware of BEING mentally/emotionally abused in your life?

It is YOUR Moon that Nessus is touching, it would make more sense to me to view it from that vantage point in the natal.

There is no evidence to presume that Nessus energy is immediately and exclusively projected out from the native onto others.

posted August 01, 2016 05:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I'm sorry, I haven't been keeping up with this thread, and missed your post!

I like the study as you designed it.

Miss seeing you around, and I'm not sure if you're still posting.

But I hope you do make this a separate thread.

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Hi Faith! I am still about, I just haven't had many long stretches of time to post in any great depth due to other commitments.

posted August 02, 2016 06:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Welcome!

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posted August 02, 2016 07:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Hello May! Good to see you here.

Yes, there are many 2-dimensional interpretations of Nessus placements, this is why we are all here, as we know this cannot possibly be true. Is it true for any other placement? Nup.

Question: have you ever been aware of BEING mentally/emotionally abused in your life?

It is YOUR Moon that Nessus is touching, it would make more sense to me to view it from that vantage point in the natal.

There is no evidence to presume that Nessus energy is immediately and exclusively projected out from the native onto others.

I feel that Nessus gives us direct knowledge of certain types of being controlled in our own lives. From that point, we can use that innate knowledge to protect others, or to exploit them.
How we chose to use the energy, I believe is a choice that transcends the chart.

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Focusing on the answer to your question, Voix, yes. I came from a family where emotions aren't accepted nor allowed. I was supposed to be always smiling, always nice and kind, always quiet. My mother simply wasn't (and isn't) able to handle emotions directly. She manipulates, has a passive-aggressive behavior in many many cases (when she's not simply aggressive and annihilating), she uses gaslighting, she's good at making feeling others guilty, she's always the victim and she's never wrong.

And I of course was the catalyst for all of this wonderful deeds. She did manipulate my emotional sphere, she did coherce me into a role I despise -- as a child, I never had a choice and at that time I wasn't aware of what she was doing.
True awareness came later, in high school, and fighting back for the right to express my feelings came even later, my first year of university.

I think that Nessus on my Moon helped me greatly, for awareness-development and even for learning how to fight back (and yes, I did learn to manipulate and make my part of damage. Honesty time).
It's never black-and-white with Nessus, you have both the possibilities of being the abused and the abuser, I can see why it's easy to considerate this asteroid "a marker for abuse" (yes, I'm quoting, and you know who you are).

I've been both, personally, abused and abuser. It's not easy to keep a decent balance.
But at least I'm trying and that's the best I can do.
I don't know if I answered to your answer the way you expected or wanted to, Voix, and probably I wrote too much useless details, but I hope you would get my point of view.

posted August 06, 2016 10:10 AM            

I'm still not sure what to think of Nessus or his role in my chart.

posted August 07, 2016 05:03 AM            

that's a really helpful description. With the Moon also sometimes representing mother, it makes heaps of sense here.
It sounds like you had a very thorough journey through emotional control, which places you in a very auspicious position to spot it and divert it now.

posted August 07, 2016 05:06 AM            

have you noticed swinging between forging an identity which pleases yourself to that which pleases others?

Have you found your environment quite intrusive in terms of your self-concept?

Did you feel you had to BE a certain way in order to gain favour from your father/father figures, as opposed to being supported in your development or celebrated for your real self?

posted August 07, 2016 05:09 AM            

thank you for some more balanced discourse on Nessus, I am glad you are exploring the fuller picture also.

posted August 07, 2016 02:18 PM            

I've just posted a thread about it in Interpersonal Astrology--I didn't know about Nessus before, but the very fatalistic interpretations have certainly played out in our relationship. I was never so drawn to very fatalistic astrology but....help?

It's interesting, the relationship has not been physically abusuve, but it's crushed my spirit and done violence spiritually and emotionally to everything I valued about myself and the world. The more I try to work on MYSELF and the things I do have power and agency over, the more I realize how much the way this guy treated me has caused 90% of my problems.

I'm interested in suggestions for ways to work with Nessus energy that might lead in some direction other than "everything is ruined." Especially since, whatever happens with me, he has a tight Nessus-Moon conjunction with our daughter. And he's her father! What if he someday makes her feel as crappy as he made me feel?

I should stress, he is NOT an abusive father. Arguably, lying to and humiliating your child's mother at a very stressful time when she's caring for a 6-month-old and her mother has just died isn't exactly stellar parenting...but he has always been there for her and is a very devoted dad. But if the fatalistic interpretations hold water....ugh, I don't know. I'm not concerned about abuse but I can't shake the feeling that I've ruined my life.

posted August 11, 2016 09:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Hi Faith! I am still about, I just haven't had many long stretches of time to post in any great depth due to other commitments.

Please feel free to start the thread if you wish and I will join in, rather than wait for me. I guess the energy is right with this thread still being active?
The new thread could be linked to this one in the OP in order to maintain a map of the journey through Nessus.

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posted December 15, 2016 12:48 AM              

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Bump for Violets!

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posted December 15, 2016 10:34 AM              

I already have Pluto in 3rd with some hard aspects, so words, and people either not hearing my truth when I speak it, or trying to stifle my process when I am working something out verbally...really p!ss me off.

But again... Pluto in 3rd, and a Virgo Moon in 2nd, so I suppose they all just sort of blend in together for a common theme.
I enjoy writing, but I do need to be careful with the words I use with other people, and I'm often not. As I have Pluto trine Mercury, I can often cut to the point without much thought for coddling people. At least in person, anyway. Not as often online at this point.

But sometimes there's a place for that, sometimes not so much.

Thinking on the synastry I have with some people with Nessus, jealousy and WANTING, or NEEDING makes perfect sense.

posted December 17, 2016 09:40 AM              

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Not to say that I agree with some of the blanket-statement interpretations of synastry with Nessus.
I certainly wouldn't stereotype a relationship exclusively based on one asteroid. Just adding that for clarification.