posted January 05, 2017 09:22 AM            

There's generally very little judgment in the relationships I've mentioned. Some frustration and hurt, obviously. But usually a lot more empathy than judgment. As I mentioned, going through the good, the bad, and the ugly with the other person, generally as equals, or with love. Sometimes a little bit of resentment flares up...in some cases a lot, until the matter is sorted out...but I also think that can be explained by Pluto aspects.

Nemesis doesn't do anything in my chart that I'm aware of, but I do have Jupiter in Pisces, which sort of feels like a similar vibe.

posted January 05, 2017 10:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Ceri has also been with me through some ups and downs these past few years, but I don't know how her Aqua moon would feel about me making a tribute speech. But I really appreciate her.

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My Aqua Moon is absolutely open to that. :

Tributes are very welcome (my SR Moon is in Leo after all. lol)

posted January 05, 2017 10:06 AM            

I consider this guy to be one of the dearest soulmates in my life, also for that reason, for having taken on the role of my Nemesis for a while to point out my weaknesses to me, and I am eternally thankful for his gift to me.

Well that was MY Nemesis story.

(possibly I have other ones that were not that positive though; I sort of believe it helped that his Moon is trine my Sun, and our Nemesises are sextile each other and not doing too much nasty stuff in our natal charts either. Mine is conjunct my Uranus widely and trines my Black Moon. his conjuncts his Sun (btw we wer also meant to play Uranus to each other, his URanus squaring my Sun, my Uranus opposing his Moon. The quality of our Nemesis always was a liberating one, though being deliverd as a shock initially).
his Nemesis trines his Moon, and well squares his Uranus, which might be the nastiest aspect it makes in his chart, though it is very wide."

posted January 05, 2017 10:15 AM            

In a way she is a goddess of Karma, right, but of reality in a way, too.

See things and yourself for how you really ARE, not what you are telling yourself.

posted January 05, 2017 02:14 PM            

Elysia ... Thanks for the asteroids link to Karen Piscitelli's AstrologyClub. That was my first visit there.

I looked at a few of her descriptions and she has done AWESOME work. I can appreciate how much hard work was involved in creating this site. Certainly, we all owe a debt of gratitude for her open research and sharing. AND, I hope she reciprocally appreciates our validating by demonstrating the applications to our charts and lives.

There's a lower, and a higher application to every asteroid.
http://astrologyclub.org/asteroid-nemesis/

posted January 05, 2017 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
This is a very rich thread. I have quite a significant Nemesis contact. I'm still reeling from all the information.

Elysia ... Thanks for the asteroids link to Karen Piscitelli's AstrologyClub. That was my first visit there.

I looked at a few of her descriptions and she has done AWESOME work. I can appreciate how much hard work was involved in creating this site. Certainly, we all owe a debt of gratitude for her open research and sharing. AND, I hope she reciprocally appreciates our validating by demonstrating the applications to our charts and lives.

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...and my hard work for quoting her categorically.
JK.

posted January 05, 2017 02:22 PM            

You'd LIKE my Nemesis.... conjuncts Liebe and my Mars Cancer, same degree. Along with Vaticana and Weisse(White) Rose.

asteroids!

'Goode Nemesis'-MARS-Liebe{Love}-Vaticana WhiteRose Cancer H7gem

Sextiles to TAURUS 5th House
(where my Venus and Eros are in residence)

1865 Cerberus 2.06 {the 3-headed dog guarding the gates of Hell} 2+ Taurus
with
622 Ester 2.09 {the Bible account of a woman who saved her people, 'for such a time as this'; where and how we most likely tend to be a rescuer -ref.JimLewis}, and
949 Hel 2.42 {Nordic Goddess of the Underworld}
11 Parthenope 3.24 {Genesis, new beginnings that never happened before}
5265 Schadow 3.25

Trine Virgo in H(9)leo ---
10343 Church Virgo 3.33' and
13184 Augeias Virgo 2.44 {making or cleaning up messes!!}
*Got my shovel!!!!* *grin*

Sextile 9499 Excalibur 1+ Leo H8cancer {Excellence, sense of mission}

(I'll save the other asteroids in Scorpio for the other posting-- IF! I get to it.)

(music) Stand By You (Rachel Platten, lyrics) [3:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwB9EMpW8eY

(music) Take Me to Church (Hozier, Sergei Polunin, ballet) [4:07) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-tW0CkvdDI

posted January 05, 2017 02:35 PM            

Wait..
*shuffling to YouTube to check it out*

posted January 05, 2017 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I prefer the dancer video, but when I first saw the official one I was really shocked, it is so so sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVjiKRfKpPI

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posted January 05, 2017 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I prefer the dancer video, but when I first saw the official one I was really shocked, it is so so sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVjiKRfKpPI

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Elysia... I just saw you quote this from Ceridwen.

What you saw happening on that vid is called a HATE crime.... And I realize there are MANY wounded people because of the shallow cruel people who go to these Churches, then feel soooo Righteous IN themselves.

That's not Christ. That's not LOVE.
Anything Anti-Christ, is anti-Love.
The antichrist is very busy in hate-based denominations.

You even can see that down to the divisions between separate black and separate white Pentecostal churches because of HATE of the 'other' kindred-souls. (I remember being sooo shocked by that... that's a story!)

In above post, at the last moment, I had removed my asteroid placement, named for Mother Teresa of Calcutta (now Sainted). It is quintile VESTA cancer H8, conjunct my Oken asteroid (which I give meaning of Incarnation of Love within each one of us, name also of a long-time openly gay astrologer whose writings I have found to be quite Inspirational).

I remember Madreteresa as being a Virgo, but also, being at war with rules and politics at the 'Vaticana'! LOL. They were asking her to side with them 'against' persons who had had abortions, and were divorced, etc.

(I still have to look up exactly what oughts they had with her.)

But (I believe the articles had said that) she REFUSED to comply with a judgmental group of Priests/superiors, who wanted her to condemn these individuals.

Instead, she advocated ONLY 'Love'.... That Christ wanted us to LOVE. Love the PERSON, not judge 'sin'. Love Covers a Multitude of sins. .... Looking into the eyes of another sentient human being, with whom we are the same under-the-skin.... We AFFIRM the Love that is IN each other, IN their life, IN their friendships and unions.

In the Bible, there was quoted that God is against divorce.... HOWEVER AND BUT??! GOD was Merciful and He gave permission and allowed it!!!!
{ref story with Moses} ....

The main thing about gayness,?? is "PRACTICAL" --- union with same-sex won't lead to making more babies. You need future generations to be born to sustain the human race. That's it. That was the PRACTICAL side of that rule.

It wasn't about sex... it was about serious baby-making. You needed to generate workers for your farm, etc. Then when people were old, they were taken care of by the previous generation. On and on.... Generations caring for the next.

And they wanted a contract to copulate (wedding/marry) (perhaps) so you didn't reproduce with kin (bad for genes), and having the babies 'legit'... for the record-keeping??? Historical genealogical records? (I believe).

I think that's one of the unfortunate CRUELEST 'labels' that we/these have placed upon children....

I think part of the logic there too, is that you want to create a bond, a solid UNIT. Families working together as a unit are stronger because there's Commitment; there's Care, Money, and Mutual Support provided under the contract together. The parents support each other and grow, and, being strong, they raise the children in a balanced way (hopefully). That's the old-fashioned notion.

Thing is... You need a good match for having a spouse that you can BE in that kind of forever-tie with. ....

Marriage can be Wonderful when two people are matched, and are Willing to work things out. (haha, getting ready for my post on Selene!!!) But it DOES take that Matching....
(Vedics were good at that!! LOL)

Unfortunately, not many people are willing to Make Covenant these days. A Covenant makes a Union of All-of-Both becoming ONE Identity and entity. These days, people want the renewing contract kind of commitment... 'if it don't work out, then you can tell me good-bye' (song)

(music) Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye (Johnny Mathis, lyrics) [4:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6_cI6PnYy4

Don't Quote---

Actually, the ability to divorce is sooo important. I don't think people should marry with possibility of divorce in mind, but it is a GOOD thing in circumstances... NOT for boredom or mere whims, (or dynamics of a midlife crisis), though.

For me, my first led a secret double-life I didn't know about (which I ~might post in later days... it references my Nemesis sooooooo well!, including the trine to his last name!!! and other relevant asters).

The second one, was a deceiver-liar-- I hadn't 'realized' what the cues were that I was seeing. I had no experience with that... and, it was a little late to be discovering it AFTER the vows. I honestly didn't know. Should have raised FLAGS, had my friends been more involved, and giving me direct feedback then. But, I had given him the beautiful honor of my Trust, and I put down my own intuitions because I didn't know how to 'interpret' what I was feeling. I had no context for it. ..... {He was an abuser. We'd known each other for ~5 years, and I never really 'knew' him. You say "I do," then afterwards, you find out what you DID! oh nooo. LOL} That marriage turned into the bubble-atmosphere Pressure Cooker from Hell. I lived in fear... It evoked all the trauma I had been through as a child, and brought it to the surface to deal with it (which is a gift) --- I had no clue what engulfed me, what was happening to me. I ran away from him physically, but the damage to my emotions were catastrophic..

PLEASE DON'T QUOTE the part about my marriages right now.

going on......

Let me ADD to the Taurus placements I had in next degree from Cerberus, Hel, and Esther....

House 5, under Parthenope and then Schadow, I have 4390 Madreteresa Taurus 3.33'33" ... TRINE Virgo asteroids 13227 Poor, 10128 Bro, 10343 CHURCH Virgo 3.33'31" and 679 Pax {peace}.

House 11, I have Juno-rx Scorpio (Voice for the powerless, women, etc) at 4.49.

My House 1, has Pallas Sagittarius 21.50... conjunct a mass of social work type asteroids, and others I won't mention that give light to another piece of the story....
(I have a huge trauma associated, involving a female who took sexual advantages. Was in mid-teens, trying to leave home. Fire to frying-pan. Amazing how the asteroids spill it. ... And, I have NO aversions to gay ladies at all. I'll nurture you with a hug, long and anytime!! It was HER, not the group.)

All 3 degrees Virgo, in my 9th house.
(virgo intercept)

I love gay people.... I've worked with gays... soooo easily. Especially gay guys... They party!, and I've been voted into their groups as favorite partying straight-person. Loved it!!! Of course? I look at them, and wish they weren't!!! SOOOO Good Looking!!! and Fun and Flamboyant...

posted January 05, 2017 04:47 PM            

Yeah..how much do we *really* know the people we think we know?
It takes a strong person to survive all that, which you ARE. It's amazing that you manage to not let it embitter you, and try to seek positivity in everything you come across.
Also, try to spread the positive *vibe*.

posted January 07, 2017 05:16 AM            

Well I tend to play a bit of attention to songs that come into my semi-consciousness. lol

So sharing the lyrics of the German song

"Listen to the voice
on your path through life
there will be crossroads, again and again
and you must weigh and ponder what to choose,
where to go

the nasty spirits and the tormentors
again and again they are coming back
it`s not going to get easier, no, its going to get harder
You have to take it, the next step
even though there`sno good advice, and you feel lost and burnt out

But just then
wasn`t there always that voice helping you, and always?
Listen to the voice, listen what it sais,
it`s always been there, listen to her advice
Listen to the voice, it is making you strong, it wants you to make it

Listen to the voice
Listen to the voice

tell me will you talk or fall silent?
what`s going to happen? What will be after?
Do you want to run away or stay?
you`ve got to choose, noone else can do it for you

it`s a journey, without satnav
everything`s open and new all over again
all those tests, I believe you can succeed
if you will stay true to yourself as much as can be

chorus

Just listen to your instincts, they guide your way
believe me you choose the way
it does not matter where you go
cause this voice inside you is with you all along

Listen to the voice etc...."

posted January 07, 2017 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

My Aqua Moon is absolutely open to that. :

Tributes are very welcome (my SR Moon is in Leo after all. lol)

And love you, too, you know that.

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Ok...tribute to my Nemesis

I'm actually trying to think of every person I know whose sun has been conjunct my Nemesis, and write a group-tribute.

Well it's Sag and you (plural) know how to stay above your problems and see the miraculous in day to day life. You celebrate and light up over small things even when there is a dim landscape in the background, it's like your attention and focus is reserved for the good..."there's treasure in this cave somewhere, I know it." You go into the cave but with an inner torch of understanding, so to speak. Maybe that's what all of your learning and teaching is about, to keep the torch of understanding bright.

How could this ever become an enemy situation? I don't want to sound arrogant, pride goes before a fall, but it's hard to see. Especially with you, we've talked much more than I have with the other Nemesis people in my life.

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Nemesis is the goddess of retribution, she gives us what is our "due". Unfortunately that means often enough punishment and being "cut to size". I can understand how people can experience that as the enemy, though I haven`t made the same experiences.
The guy comes to mind whose Nemesis was conjunct my Sun while my Nemesis opposed his Moon.
It was not his fault, but he was the catalyst for painful experiences for me

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I hope I'm not the same kind of catalyst!

posted January 07, 2017 11:25 AM            

Possibly breaks some kind of rule because I included asteroids that may not have been discovered and named yet.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi#top

^^ I think it's funny, the sun is on the south node opposing Nemesis.

That is such south node behavior.

The draconic version of this chart:

posted January 07, 2017 11:26 AM            

My husband's Nemesis conjunct our NNs, right on my Cupido-Pandora. Interesting, since the discovery chart of Nemesis has it widely conjunct the NN as well.

posted January 07, 2017 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Maybe Nemesis has tendencies towards the nodes, or a nodal quality in itself? (Wild speculation)

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Funny, my father and I have our composite sun @ 5 Sag conjunct Nemesis' sun, square our composite NN 5 Virgo (square Nemesis' nodes.)

Our composite Nemesis 5 Libra, trine Nemesis' NN.