posted December 21, 2018 11:22 AM            

Sometimes, in order to understand the core meaning of an asteroid, you can study the life or biography of the person that the asteroid was named for.

6583 Destinn .. named after a famous person with a 'talent {hint}' for being a lyrical soprano opera singer in the late 1800s to early 1900s.

This video compilation of songs was made to honor her some of her career achievements.

(music) Emmy Destinn-- Great Soprano, Operatic Legend (AchillesValda, posted June 2010) [7:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efP9a6i60wQ

yt notes.. quoting
Memory on great czech soprano
Emmy Destinn (1878 - 1930)--
summary of {her} most-famous operatic roles, additional vocals by the famous Czech soprano Gabriela Beňačková
. . .

Emmy Destinn
February 26, 1878 -- January 28, 1930
was a renowned Czech operatic soprano.

Biography

Destinn was born Emílie Pavlína Věnceslava Kittlová in Prague, in what was then the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

At first Destinn devoted herself to studying the violin,
and intended to shine as a virtuoso on that instrument.

When she was well on in her teens, however,
her voice was so rich and full that she changed her mind and determined upon an operatic career.

Her voice teacher since age 13 had been Marie Maria von Dreger Loewe-Destinn,
and the young singer began using her teacher's surname.

She was let go after the short engagement at the Dresden Opera and declined by Prague National Theatre in 1897.
Destinn debuted on July 19, 1898 at the Berlin Court Opera as Santuzza in Cavalleria Rusticana.
She made such progress that the intendant of the Berlin Court Opera engaged her at once when she was brought to her notice.
She was scarcely nineteen at the time,
but her voice and her genius for acting soon won the Berlin public.
Her engagement in Berlin lasted till October 27, 1909.
She sang in 54 operas, including 12 premieres,
the most famous of which was Salome by Richard Strauss (December 5, 1906).

Her fame became international in 1901 when she was invited to sing the part of Senta in Der Fliegende Holländer at Bayreuth.
She returned to sing the same role the next year.

Destinn made her Covent Garden debut at the Royal Opera House on May 2, 1904 as Donna Anna in Don Giovanni.
She appeared there in several operas for the next two seasons,
including the London premiere of Madama Butterfly with Caruso.

Her Metropolitan Opera debut came in 1908 with a performance of Aida,
after she was released from her contract with the Berlin Court Opera.
Two years later at the Met,
she created the role of Minnie in the memorable premiere of Puccini's La fanciulla del West, again opposite Caruso, and under the direction of Arturo Toscanini.

Memorial of Emmy Destinn near TřeboňWhile she was successful in the lighter roles of the Wagner operas, her soprano voice was better suited to music of a more lyrical type.

She excelled in the part of Carmen, in which she was said to rival Calvé.

Her career suffered a fatal blow in World War I.
Destinn returned to her homeland after the start of the war,
but her links with the patriotic Czech resistance caused her passport to be revoked.
She was interned at her chateau for the remainder of the war.

She returned to the Metropolitan Opera in 1919,
but had been replaced by a new generation of singers,
though she did still sing with the company until 1921.

Destinn returned to Czechoslovakia,
where she married Joseph Halsbach, a Czech air force officer, in 1923.

She retired from the stage in 1926 and
died from a stroke in České Budějovice, Czechoslovakia.

She is interred in the Vyšehrad cemetery in Prague.

She was very versatile---
{besides being a singer} was a poet, novelist and playwright,---
though nothing she has done in other professions
has rivalled her reputation as a singer.

Emma is immortalized on the 2,000 Czech Koruna banknote.
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Here is her natal Chart!!
- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Destinn,_Emmy

Great thorough information about her life here..
- http://www.kapralova.org/EMMY.htm

Wikipedia is fantastic!
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmy_Destinn

Asteroid Destinn was 'discovered' just days after her birthday!
- http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=6583
haha, probably meaning the astronomer was an opera devote ?

Transiting Destinn is currently entering LIBRA 0+.. near my MC.

My placement
6583 Destinn-rx Capricorn 16.16 H2
sextile Saturn-rx Scorpio 16.22 H11

I've had close personal-associations with some opera singers in my life. One had reached a certain world-renown. I sang with her in an opera given over the winterim sessions at the university I had attended.

I had a close-relative who also sang (and taught) opera and singing. He won a competition, and was given an Award to go study and sing in Austria at the Mozart school/concert hall. He took jobs at various opera houses in Europe and lived there for a decade, performing in 'B' houses.

Annecdote.. in the opera we were in together, she was the Diva (I was in the chorus as a Woodland Faery), she could never get the 'timing' to BURST OUT on the scene from behind the wings, and give out this TREMENDOUS first-note .. then her song.
haha, I had the 'privilege' of placing my hand in back of her, ready to shove her OUT onto the stage, IN PERFECT Cue and Timing.

A very very bad influenza bug had hit our area that winter (first week of January??). As the 'fairies' had come down with the flu, we were reduced from 20 in the chorus to only ?6 of us-- however! the show went on.

There was a faery-dancing scene required IN this opera. {{I am freaked-out about dancing in public?? I can't "think" and "move" at the same time... {{God??? really now, was that Fair????? rofl}} So!! the afternoon of the final performance, I was TOLD I "HAD" to be one of the dancing faeries.
OMG!!!!!
So. They put me with the person I would have to dance with. And we PRACTICED the DANCE, at least 50 times (literal, not kidding)!!! so that I could get it into my kinesthestic memory, so my 'body' would remember the moves.. because, seriously, I was not gifted with "thinking" + moving my body. They say Sag-Rising people are awkward? LOL. Well, I was really a superb athlete on a sports playing field-- but when it came to coordination-exercises where you needed to think and move various parts {in gym class}, I sucked!!! ahhahahahaha

The point in the opera where the dancing faeries did their special dance together, Miss Kathy was on a headset with mic behind stage, helping out the sound-techs (taking on extra-responsibility for stage-hands struck down with the flu. She was 'on the headset' watching the WHOLE time I was on-stage during the dancing scene'... I heard that she hollered with victory-- "SHE GOT IT DOWN PERFECTLY-- no mistakes!!!!" all over the sound-tech's personal headsets spread in various parts of the theatre that day... OMG... I still almost-cry and shake thinking about it. I was a BAG of nerves!!! *laughing*

Kathy was a Beautiful LEO. I heard {through the grapevine of people who new her up-close and personally} that she had died of Bone Cancer a few years ago. {{HUGE hug, RIP}}

She was at the university to become a nurse. She was "discovered" as a NATURAL untrained Talent for Singing when she went to audition for the choirs in the Music Department. (We were in the choirs together, over the years we were there.)
.. She was dating one of my relatives, and had come to my baby's christening party. Sitting from across the room from me, she 'saw' I had a goiter, and told me I'd BETTER go see a doctor right away for it.
.. I got tested, and I was 'at the point of shock' (emergency) as I had very very low thyroid hormone in my body. I could have collapsed and died. I credit Kathy for helping intercept a medical crisis, that day.

(music) Kathleen Cassello, in La Traviata, by Verdi (lyrics) [12:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iO0lP8W-Ms

She was one of the famed "Three Sopranos" ..
Kathy is the red-head on our left.

(music) Kathleen Cassello, Kallen Esperian & Cynthia Lawrens (3 Sopranos), II part. [25:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h4jHOrKV6A

posted December 21, 2018 12:07 PM            

3258 Somnium, latin for The Dream-- A 'science fiction' novel written in the year 1608 by Johannes Kepler.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnium_(novel)
quote
Somnium (Latin for "The Dream") is a novel written in 1608, in Latin, by Johannes Kepler.

The narrative would not be published until 1634 by Kepler's son, Ludwig Kepler.

In the narrative,
an Icelandic boy and his witch mother learn of an island named Levania (our Moon) from a daemon.

Somnium presents a detailed imaginative description
of how the Earth might look when viewed from the Moon,
and is considered the first serious scientific treatise on 'lunar astronomy'.

Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov have referred to it as
one of the first works of science fiction.

- http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=3258
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnium
- http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/somnium
meaning
1. dream, vision
2. fantasy, daydream

Here's someone 'reading' the book out loud.

(topic) "Somnium - The Dream" {the first sci-fi novel!} by Johannes Kepler (Nexum Ediciones, posted Nov 2016) [44:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1QdHfAn-lY

omg!! has LOADS of astrology information in it!!

yt notes, quote
According to Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov, Kepler´s "Somnium" ("The Dream"),
written around 1611,
was the first science-fiction novel ever. The eminent astronomer Johannes Kepler
imagines a trip to the moon
and speculates about its inhabitants.

Johannes Kepler was a German astronomer, mathematician and physician.
Son of a mercenary that served in the armies of the Duke of Alba and disappeared in exile in 1589,
and of a mother suspected of practicing witchcraft,
Johannes Kepler overcame the effects of an unfortunate and sordid childhood thanks to his tenacity and intelligence.

After studying in the seminars of Adelberg and Maulbronn,
Kepler was admitted to the University of Tubinga (1588),
where he studied theology and was also a disciple of the Copernican Michael Mästlin.
In 1594, however,
he interrupted his theology studies by accepting a position as a mathematics teacher in the protestant seminar of Graz.

Four years later,
several months after a marriage of convenience,
the edict of the Archduke Ferdinand against protestant teachers forced him to abandon Austria and in 1600 he moved to Prague, invited by Tycho Brahe.
When Brahe suddenly died the following year,
Kepler replaced him as the imperial mathematician of Rudolf II,
with the task of completing the astronomic tables started by Brahe and of holding the role of astrology advisor,
a role which he used frequently in order to earn a living.
endQuote

Creepy coincidence..
Today's transits,
the tNN in Cancer is ON my
3258 Somnium 26.17 Cancer H8
Sandwiched in-between my Jupiter 27+ and Uranus 25+
conjunct
136472 MakeMake Cancer 26.05
1021 Flammarion 26.09 {ardent burning, setting the world on fire, 'mysteries of the Spirit'
65 Cybele Cancer 26.37

posted December 21, 2018 03:21 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Eclipse:
What does it mean to have the asteroid Destinn as opposed to ascendant and in conjunction with the asteroid Somnium?

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Destinn-Somnium conjunction in House 6 or 7?
What sign?
Where's your Ascendant?

What "planets" do you have in houses 6, 7, 12, 1 .. (if any)?

ADD-- If you're "too new" to astrology to answer that, then, I'll understand if you can't respond.

posted December 21, 2018 05:25 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Destinn-Somnium conjunction in House 6 or 7?
What sign?
Where's your Ascendant?

What "planets" do you have in houses 6, 7, 12, 1 .. (if any)?

ADD-- If you're "too new" to astrology to answer that, then, I'll understand if you can't respond.

Enjoy your thread!

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posted December 21, 2018 09:54 PM            

You might want to look at aspects involving Moon, Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto, and/or transits involving these??

So sorry you had a time of experiencing those horrible dreams.

You said you "used" to have those dreams in the past.
Has that resolved itself now?

I think I kind of see how your mind 'might' be trying to interpret Destinn-Somnium-Lucifer as being destined to be a demon, or under persecuted by them? Well!!! yup!! That's ONE way of 'scaring yourself' using asteroids!!!
oh my...

(In the beginning, I had a similar reaction. It's possible to really become alarmed with some asteroids. Remember-- EVERYONE has each one of these working SOMEWHERE in their charts.

If that's happening to you, then take EXTRA caution and selfcare; stop approaching them in this way to your harm. Don't do that to yourself, if you are.
Please Be Kinder to YOU.

Take these more on a mythological lighter note, than to damn and crush your own mind spirit soul (and Destiny) with such visions of horrible meanings-- meant at limiting yourself, or another person.

Again, I think that's one of the perils of asteroid-study. Takes a LONG time to sit with them, learn how to synthesize meanings. "PLAY" with them. There are soooooo many of them!

Some of the early workings on meanings of asteroids were based on people goofing-off with names of their associates, and poking fun.
.. In the process, they 'actually' discovered some of these to work.
And it doesn't necessary work for everyone's chart.
It's a mystery!! LOL.

Thinking about it.....
One of the meanings of Destinn is related to 'music field'; as well as does a part of the association with asteroid 1930 Lucifer.

1930 Lucifer has been found remarkable in charts of people who have had experience in leading worship/song (music) in church meetings or services.

Somnium .. sci-fi worlds, dreams.

Where's your
5946 Roachapproach?

Do you have any interest or any talents in music, electronic tech music? Ever been in relationships with people in these fields?
7th House relates to one-on-one relationships.
Libra.. is a sign involving The Arts! Creativity.

Again, Happy Solstice today..

posted December 22, 2018 10:26 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Thanks for responding, LL-Eclipse.

You might want to look at aspects involving Moon, Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto, and/or transits involving these??

So sorry you had a time of experiencing those horrible dreams.

You said you "used" to have those dreams in the past.
Has that resolved itself now?

I think I kind of see how your mind 'might' be trying to interpret Destinn-Somnium-Lucifer as being destined to be a demon, or under persecuted by them? Well!!! yup!! That's ONE way of 'scaring yourself' using asteroids!!!
oh my...

(In the beginning, I had a similar reaction. It's possible to really become alarmed with some asteroids. Remember-- EVERYONE has each one of these working SOMEWHERE in their charts.

If that's happening to you, then take EXTRA caution and selfcare; stop approaching them in this way to your harm. Don't do that to yourself, if you are.
Please Be Kinder to YOU.

Take these more on a mythological lighter note, than to damn and crush your own mind spirit soul (and Destiny) with such visions of horrible meanings-- meant at limiting yourself, or another person.

Again, I think that's one of the perils of asteroid-study. Takes a LONG time to sit with them, learn how to synthesize meanings. "PLAY" with them. There are soooooo many of them!

Some of the early workings on meanings of asteroids were based on people goofing-off with names of their associates, and poking fun.
.. In the process, they 'actually' discovered some of these to work.
And it doesn't necessary work for everyone's chart.
It's a mystery!! LOL.

Thinking about it.....
One of the meanings of Destinn is related to 'music field'; as well as does a part of the association with asteroid 1930 Lucifer.

1930 Lucifer has been found remarkable in charts of people who have had experience in leading worship/song (music) in church meetings or services.

Somnium .. sci-fi worlds, dreams.

Where's your
5946 Roachapproach?

Do you have any interest or any talents in music, electronic tech music? Ever been in relationships with people in these fields?
7th House relates to one-on-one relationships.
Libra.. is a sign involving The Arts! Creativity.

Again, Happy Solstice today..

Season's Greetings,
and Merry Christmas.

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posted December 22, 2018 10:26 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Thanks for responding, LL-Eclipse.

You might want to look at aspects involving Moon, Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto, and/or transits involving these??

So sorry you had a time of experiencing those horrible dreams.

You said you "used" to have those dreams in the past.
Has that resolved itself now?

I think I kind of see how your mind 'might' be trying to interpret Destinn-Somnium-Lucifer as being destined to be a demon, or under persecuted by them? Well!!! yup!! That's ONE way of 'scaring yourself' using asteroids!!!
oh my...

(In the beginning, I had a similar reaction. It's possible to really become alarmed with some asteroids. Remember-- EVERYONE has each one of these working SOMEWHERE in their charts.

If that's happening to you, then take EXTRA caution and selfcare; stop approaching them in this way to your harm. Don't do that to yourself, if you are.
Please Be Kinder to YOU.

Take these more on a mythological lighter note, than to damn and crush your own mind spirit soul (and Destiny) with such visions of horrible meanings-- meant at limiting yourself, or another person.

Again, I think that's one of the perils of asteroid-study. Takes a LONG time to sit with them, learn how to synthesize meanings. "PLAY" with them. There are soooooo many of them!

Some of the early workings on meanings of asteroids were based on people goofing-off with names of their associates, and poking fun.
.. In the process, they 'actually' discovered some of these to work.
And it doesn't necessary work for everyone's chart.
It's a mystery!! LOL.

Thinking about it.....
One of the meanings of Destinn is related to 'music field'; as well as does a part of the association with asteroid 1930 Lucifer.

1930 Lucifer has been found remarkable in charts of people who have had experience in leading worship/song (music) in church meetings or services.

Somnium .. sci-fi worlds, dreams.

Where's your
5946 Roachapproach?

Do you have any interest or any talents in music, electronic tech music? Ever been in relationships with people in these fields?
7th House relates to one-on-one relationships.
Libra.. is a sign involving The Arts! Creativity.

Again, Happy Solstice today..

Season's Greetings,
and Merry Christmas.

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posted December 22, 2018 05:25 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Eclipse:
I have no aspect with Moon, Neptune, Uranus and Pluto involving they. And no aspect per transit as well.

I have no interest in music and no talent. But I already wrote 8 lyrics of evangelical songs in less than 1 week, does that count?

I've never lovingly related myself with anyone. Roachapproach is in twins in House 2, but it does not aspect with any planet.

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You wrote 8 lyrics for evangelical songs in 1 week??

I'd say, YES, that counts!!

It's a beginning.
There's probably MORE down inside you, from where that came.

You wouldn't have written those unless it was 'in you' (inspired) to write those? So, laughing, heck-yeah that counts! *heart*

When you confess that you have no talents, THAT sounds like something someone else said to you, at some time in your life-- parent, teacher, clergy, or someone important that injured your self-esteem, limited and undermined confidence?

EVERYONE has "something" they can do-- some kind of talent. You'll discover it, if someone else in your life doesn't have the grace and kindness to point it out to you.

Roachapproach.. has to do with "ambient" soundscapes (music).
H2 is one of the 'talent' houses in your chart.
Gemini is an AIR element zodiac sign,
as well as Libra being an AIR element sign.

At least, by ELEMENT, you have overarching AIR-flow.

{warmly, I hope the astrologers let me get away with that one?! }

Some chart {talents} don't "bloom" until your later life, LL-Eclipse. If it doesn't happen now, then it will. Be patient, and continue to do your best and GROW, in the "mean"-time.

Remain open .. that this is true and possible for you. If you close your mind off to the idea that you have talents, then you might not be as "aware" as you could be, when they manifest themselves.

Regarding 'Evangelical' …
You have a past Christianity exposure?
Gently... What happened?

(How old are you?)

(music) I Hear Music In The 'Air' (Sister Rosetta Tharpe, 'rock-n-roll jazz rhythm and blues gospel') [3:31] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9BFVeZr5Sc

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_Rosetta_Tharpe

Sister Rosetta Tharpe
b. March 20, 1915.
d. October 9, 1973

Born with
Sun (conj Eris) Pisces 28+ trine Neptune-rx Cancer 27+.
Also,
Mercury 0+, Mars 8+, Jupiter 10+, in Pisces.
Pluto Cancer 0+ trines her Mercury Pisces!
Has "Uranus-Venus Aquarius" conjunction 14+-15+