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mirage29
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posted June 20, 2020 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You wrote, "Edited .. and yet it got longer !"
Hilarious!! Happens to me all the time.
Yep! Sometimes, that happens.

Thank you very much for taking the time to share about your life and thoughts.

Prenatal Eclipses---
Before you were born, and while you were taking-on 'form' in your mother's womb, there had been eclipses occurring. Some astrologers say that these marked you with a set of missions. Added to your destiny. You came into the body, with gifts you agreed to share with others, during your lifetime on earth. 'Covenants' were made to do this {for the collective of souls} between you and God/the-universe.
NM-Solar is a gift you agreed to share. FM-Lunar is where your soul had needed completion, where you hurt, what you need from others for yourself, in order to achieve balance in your soul and life.
These apply to MANY souls all at once.
refs
D.Ricard; K.McCoy; J.Spiller

I love this description of what eclipses do.
'Eclipse: Reveals the hidden, and Hides the obvious.'
~Punneit, Vedic

Sunday, June 21, at 2:40 AM LL-time we have a powerful eclipse. Coincides with "Solstice."
In Europe, you'll experience it today, Saturday.
"NM-Solar Eclipse" in Cancer 0.21.
Preborn babies, coming into the earth right now, under these skies, are being "dusted" and commissioned, with a Gift. *Heart*


This child that comes to your home, is "4 years old" now?
Ahhh. Okay!
This is the age of 'the little professor', and the age is dubbed as the "Fantastic Fours" or the 'frustrating-fours'-- ~depending! LOL

If you wanted to, you (and Boyf) could watch episodes of TV "Supernanny"!

She gives parents lots of advice on how to deal with unruly child, or the terribly unsettled home.. They show her actually working with the children.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernanny_(American_TV_series)
youtube Channel
- http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSkKAqmw8DZjU2A-Fupl1_Q

article:
"Know the Moon, Know your Child"
Gretchen Lawlor, Astrologer
- http://50.62.118.20/articles/Your_Child_and_the_Moon.html

Its Moon -- can reveal the child's emotional needs, characteristics.

That child was born 2016?..
Its Jupiter is in VIRGO?
(or born later in that year, is in Libra).

You could do a computer search for "parenting with astrology"--- see if it gives you anything you can use.

You did the child's name.. COOL!!
This child at-present, doesn't seem to line up with it?

Try astrology advice,
and some Supernanny lessons? *grin*
Even watching 'The Dog Whisperer' can give you some subtle understandings about 'power' and control, applicable to this small human that seems to exert a LOT of it, right now. .. Many dogs have the awareness of a 4 year old "human child," Objectively you could extrapolate understandings from watching him work with the emotions of the dog.
For the human child, episodes of Supernanny may bring insight to the child's psychology.

*~
This post was MUCH LONGER,
I cropped the bulk of it before posting---
BECAUSE,
My sonic environment is pretty gnarly right now. I feel terrible when it's like that.

Wanted to make sure I was making good sense!

Have a good eclipse!
It's in your 12th House.
It's in your Boyf's 1st.

I get the sense of what an intelligent woman you are!, loaded with an ability to love deeply and care.

I love the sense of Ambition you have, for your Future-- {and potentially his}. So awesome!!

You're a Woman Entrepreneur.
With this relationship, it had me thinking of this song.

(music) Are You Strong Enough.. (Sheryl Crow, lyrics)
[3:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXQaSFpzN1Y


I didn't have astrology raising my children.
I feel I would have been a MUCH better parent, had I understood so "plainly" their distinct needs, that had needed a very-distinct and specific approach. It would have given ME more confidence, for sure.

Astrology found ME {laughing} in the years approaching my 2nd Saturn Return. It's interesting for me that I went through ALL those various big transits with no understanding of what was playing out. Now with knowing the energy-signatures of aspects involved with the passages of life, it gives me more empathy to what folks are going through, at the various Transition points.

You are blessed and very fortunate knowing your chart, and transits. You can avoid some pitfalls.

"This Too Shall Pass" ..

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Edit ADD
RE Nessus, different people here have various understandings and use for that, and the other Centaurs.

Here's a good article on it.
- http://planetwaves.org/wp/nessus/

Oh no....
I had a good youtube on it that over the years I've been sharing in various forums here. But the woman now made it a PRIVATE viewing.
That cost her today.
She has 'limited' my ability to be appreciative and share her URL.
I can't "afford" membership to her exclusive site.

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posted July 16, 2020 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Replying to mirage29:

Thanks Mirage.
While I typically shun the TV, I enjoy the shows you mentioned! He won’t watch SuperN.....

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posted July 16, 2020 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wish I could be more positive, I held on so long
Communication is hurried and even forgotten.
It feels like he is projecting his errors onto me but I am not willing to take on that role. He lets his child take control. That goes beyond modern, it is idiocy.

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posted July 16, 2020 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Viviette
Time to make your Self,
and your own Happiness, a Priority!

Go Higher!
Grateful that he was able to help you "clarify" the kind of person you are looking for, and whom you Deserve for your Life.

His daughter has 'problems', and really he needs to be giving HER all the attention she's going to need. He has a family too-- whose energies are blocking... whether they be legal-marrieds or not. The child IS their common-committed bond, until she is well into adulthood. Even IF he keeps saying he prefers YOU? *bheart*

So....

Life is too long to be using up your precious Time on Earth, waiting for someone who won't make you a Priority. Don't be wanting more for HIM than what he chooses for himself. You've stuck by him for a LONG time. It's beginning to affect you?

You are an AWESOME Supporter, and a Help-Mete for someone else. Go Higher.

You might want to also re-consider having this as "only" a sexual relationship. It keeps you bonded together.

Think about it?

Sending you Healing Hugs,
and Much Love.

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posted July 16, 2020 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

(music) I'm Gonna Wash That Man Right Out of My Hair (Ella Fitzgerald) [2:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNXIOKYxk_4

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posted July 16, 2020 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mirage
He isn’t even IN my hair ... then again I haven’t checked for headlice 😅

Made the acquaintance of a girl the other evening and she wants to be friends . She was more like my vision: doesn’t go to bed late, leaves a party with her husband when she wants and without getting humiliated into staying til the bitter end by her Boyf, is listened to and valued by him, traditional, no funny business.

When I asked her for the ingredient to a good rel’ship, she said : respect . giving space .

Think she meant space for hobbies, because her husband stayed opposite her all eve, while I was at her side and never went off to talk to other women. He didn’t try to take over, butting in, he let her develop a girlfriend rel’ship.She had a confident air.

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posted July 17, 2020 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:

You might want to also re-consider having this as "only" a sexual relationship. It keeps you bonded together.

You mean not live together, but date when he is not in a child “week” ?

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posted July 17, 2020 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(Love your humor! soooo funny. LOL)

Nope, sorry for confusion regarding the above-sentence.
In questioning whether to give him sex, I meant that "only" if you would start to live in separate residences.

Then, if he wanted to come over for sex-only, I suggested that you might want to consider whether to continue only for sex?

The reason would be that in a committed/married relationship, exchanging sex acts like a glue that holds a couple together? .. When you keep having sex with someone, sex KEEPS the relationship tied-together by an etheric energetic bond.

And of course, if you can keep it on an 'impersonal' level, it might work for you. Level I spoke about would involve more than your body-- your Heart and emotions.

Sorry about the wording of previous post.
It was too short, and therefore unclear.

So ......
The experience of this rel'ship seems a bit toxic right now. I know you have given much emotional capital into this man, this relationship.

Sounds from the late feedback you got, as though he sees himself as a 'provider' for you? .. which to him perhaps gives 'him' the upper-hand in this?

Question for you now, is whether you still foresee a future with this person, "accepting" things the way they are?

Your uncle says he thinks the man doesn't respect you.
Your parents (who never met him) aren't keen on him being your 'best' choice.

Definitely, there's incredible frustration going on, that seems building.


From time to time in personal intimate relationships, frustrations can build frustration peaks, then resolve when a "relieving" kind of break-through happens. Pressures go down, and there's new level of friendship, relating, (even a security) that can happen.
..
Other times, it results in a break-up and break-down of the relationship.

Astrology

His chart is receiving stronger transits right now. He's also about to go through an "inverse nodal return" ..
His natal NN is 23.55 Sag in H7,
Desc/H7 Sag Cusp 21.03.
.. inverse return ..
The transiting SN {travels backwards} is now 28+degrees of Sag H7, to backwards cross his NN, then the Descendant, and after that, enters his 6th House.

His natal South Node is 23.55 Gemini. {transiting NN to connect with natal SN GEM}.
Asc/H1 is Gemini 21.03.
He has Saturn in Gemini at 28+ in H1.
..
Transiting NN is on his Gem Saturn 28+ H1.
Saturn.. highlighting his responsibilities and things he may feel block him from being able to 'be' who he is {H1}.
..
When a child comes into your life, it redefines you. And yes, limits what was once free-time. He/the-couple cannot be as available to other-friend relationships anymore.
.. A younger child requires much more intensive time and work. This particular child is at a disadvantage, being disrupted by being shuffled back-and-forth between two households (that have differing approaches to discipline and rearing).
And there's her mama-drama that accompanies this.

The transiting nodes will cross his natal nodes, and change houses-- from focus on his relationship house H7, cross SAG Descendant, moving focus into the 6th House (SN);
and with transiting NN GEM to cross his South Node and Gemini ASC,
shifting focus from Gemini H1 into H12.

The natal nodes do not change... only the transiting ones.
This is a significant transit marking a halfway point. Involves a soul 'check-up' made along the life path.

Transiting South node will enter his 6th House {focus on health, his job, people who work for him, daily routines to follow for body balance}.

Your charts are especially active mid-September through mid-October.

There will be a New Moon 25 Virgo on Sept 17-- Your IC and Juno.

Transits to his chart {beyond Nodes and H1/H7 axis} Sept/Oct will move along to include direct contact to planets/NN during FM Gemini 8.38 Eclipse (Nov 30); and the New Moon Total Eclipse Sag 23.08 (Dec 14).

Significant times.

Hope that's not too much info?
He's got two grand air trines {later and earlier degrees},
plus a challenging cardinal t-square.

He's also involved in quite-heavy two 'former' relationships still active in his life, including heavy pressure from his personal family.

You saw a woman who you seem to becoming friends with, who has a more ideal relationship with her long-time spouse.
.. ALL relationships take work.

So.. try on all those various scenarios.
Decide or even wait until later for more clarity..

*hug*

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posted July 18, 2020 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK that’s what I understood! See the “not” live together (?) part of my sentence

Well, he once suggested living apart & continuing, to avoid my worry about the (lack of) upbringing methods.

I said: no I have the right to a real rel’ship with a husband who is present.

He doesn’t mind if I take over parenting, but it was getting ridiculous as he'd lie on the couch beyond the 4h I spent every evening with his kid. Most days I'm numbed, except that my head hurts.
Yes pressure is building as apart from a brief respite of quitting tv some weeks , it has all started up again.
Yours was a precise way of putting it !
& thanks for all the chart transit insights !
I didn’t even think of looking at transiting nodes ...

I see his kid as restriction but he makes me feel like I’m the issue. Maybe because he didn't live the rough side if I had most of the responsibility for the last 2 years & he expects this. Even tells me off for her actions - even when I anticipate and tell her to avoid doing something - she does it anyway.

He seems interested in an identity as a friend to others, which won't help our personal life, except that I appreciate seeing him interact- whereas with me he is mostly silent or exaggerates : « No we are not going to chat for an hour and a half, stuck in a room. « 

As he is not genuinely busy, just messing on his phone or at the tv, I backed off from playing and now she’s saying that’s why she’s capricious (but she was anyway.)

She won’t allow him to ignore her, she has a fit so remains the focus as an extrovert misfit -regrettably not a pleasant kind of extroversion. I told him, I am all for energetic kids, but not in that way..)

Sadly she told me she’s scared by what she watches at her mum’s house (grim scary themes, so ...obviously.)
I feel bad for wondering whether her mum was trying to make her unstable / scared.. either to somehow control her through a fear bond or to cause us trouble with the child's fear destabilising her & therefore us.

I had to tell the kid: you can’t be afraid of what isn’t real. Then I made up a game about hearing a bear that turned out to be a baby bear who just wanted some milk (to render him cute and non scary), but there’s still work to do here.

I also don’t like how the child tells me : my mum does what she wants .. and I do what I want »
How ridiculous in a modern society, where balance is key & adult authority. We all should instinctively know how to make our children feel secure (this does not include giving them control as it freaks them
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posted July 20, 2020 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for your post.
I made a mistake about the T-Square--
he has a Grand Square. Very challenging.

The sky transits right now are very rough.
Everyone is 'feeling it' in one way or the other.

New Moon in Cancer 28+ is oppressed by Saturn .. then we'll have Sun and Moon opps Pluto, then Jupiter.

Be very gentle with your own self right now.
Time to Go Within..
Find your Center.
Commune.

I send you *hugs*.
I pray for your protection,
and for you to be able to identify and decide what it is you need to do.

I hope you have Good Friends that come out of the woodwork!! LOL.
May they comfort and counsel you.
See you through all of this.

Again, thanks so much for sharing.
So special.

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posted July 21, 2020 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again, thanks Mirage.
Thanks for seeing the positive!

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posted July 21, 2020 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I think you’re right to point out a Grand Square ..which could even be responsible for his foreign “ways”
I will defo personally look into that. I really need to understand.

And you’re right a lot of people are feeling the skies right now. I am aware I am comparing myself to his other rel’ships and realising we fall short of my vision because there’s no time to build - others are put first , that’s the cause of my anguish.
Maybe my Juno is looking for a cause and making my rel’ship my cause is not good as in the global scheme it is small yet too complex to get right quickly ..

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posted July 21, 2020 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are a Woman, and you are smart, sensitive and devoted.
As a Woman, in spirit you are also my Sister. I Value your emotions, your feelings. It is my privilege to sit with you and hear what is going on with your life.

BTW, I'm sorry when I can't always be as present as usual {because of things going on in my own life}; I look forward to your posts. Please understand when/if I am not as-around sometimes.

There are a lot of considerations for you to make. It can't be that comfortable when you have invested sooo much time and emotion into a relationship, and now to be realizing and wondering what your 'position' with him is, or will be, or even 'can' be.

What I am sensitive to with you, is really how talented and supportive you are of him. In a way, I want you to "see" that IN you, without 'the him' attached to it.

Some woman value themselves 'if' it is attached to the other person. If the other person is or goes missing from your life--
Are You Still Valuable?
{p.s. Answer to that is "YES")

Your Talent to Support-- thoughtfully and intelligently-- does NOT go away when that other person is no longer there to receive what you give.

That's always IN you, and a Valuable part of who you are. It's part of the Value you bring TO a relationship.

You have also put a lot of care into that child too.

I wish you Peace in this time of weighing what it is you want to do.

Explore.. Is there a Purpose for your pouring 'who you are' into him and his family?
You have no legal bonds, nor protections under the law in your remaining.

What about fidelity?
Would you feel free to date, since you live together? {weird question?? oh my. haha}
Can you trust him to be faithful in relationship with you?
Is that an issue or not?
{just questions to ponder}

Explore what that is.
What Purpose is this satisfying for you?
Know 'why' you do this, or anything else.

What if it can't "give back" ?
(Another question to ponder)

You and he have some karmic ties?
Do an evaluation inside your self.

(You don't have to answer those questions here if you don't want to... Those are for your use.}

Take Beautiful Care of your Self.
Do something NICE for you, today.

The BEST and Better Relationship is the one you have with your own self. Make sure you are self-supportive Within.

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posted August 10, 2020 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage,
Thanks for your caring reply.
I took my time answering to have a think to give this post more definition.

Really can’t see this going anywhere...
I’ve been looking objectively over the past few weeks and it’s like a realisation that he and I come from opposite ends of the universe and there’s just no excitement in the difference. We seem to rain on eachothers’ parade. I dislike how he has negative routines that are harmful. And this feeling is independent of the ridiculous out of control dynamic of his kid.

He may be the greatest friend others could have
but I struggle to find the value in our rel’ship
except in what I bring in hope and vision (which could easily be placed elsewhere while attaining a happy result if 2 people wish it.

He has no time for our rel’ship and it’s exhausting being ignored it’s like I’m fighting on my own for this.
I think he should get on with a Single lifestyle with his Venus in Aqua and not have a permanent Gf as he is so involved with others or externals that it’s like he’s an absentee in a relship except to criticize me or tell me off for his kid’s actions.

Interesting happening :
A fireman the other day told boyf : if you want to be happy just look at your lady (the fireman was sitting opposite me at the time) he had come over after I had cracked a joke to the group. I was a bit embarrassed as he’d moved his chair to be in front of me. Plus he has a beautiful wife at home so I didn’t get why he was sticking his neck out to pay that outrageous compliment)
Boyf grinned but only half acknowledged the fireman’s comment as he quickly started talking to someone else on a diagonal the other way from us. Thus devalidating the comment instead of adding anything nice.

I said, speaking from the heart (actually pained within but almost used to it now) : it’s very rare Boyf looks my way.

Fireman said to me: If he doesn’t look at you then he’s not the one for you .

Fireman then said to Boyf : There’s a problem here. You really should look at your lady.

Fireman got up and sat further back from us with his kids (probably in part to suss out Boyf’s behaviour)

Boyf, as if on cue, turned to me and gave me a kiss
but then seemed way more interested in my cleavage, stoking it and lifting a seam. It felt more like a « look inside » manœuvre of an Amazon book.

There’s always an element of degradation when he’s involved..

I want to feel valued, treasured for who I am and who I can be . I don’t want to be reduced to brass.

The rel’ship needs to have meaning and inherent respect to be worthy of a direction let alone existence.

It is starting to feel like I am a hostage (not his fault of course I have a choice) but in the sense that he is just tolerating me for some end purpose, as the lack of effort and input is extreme.

I note I am / have been in a Uranus square Saturn transit since a year and ending only in March 2021:
Maybe feeling like breaking out in order to fully align myself.

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posted August 10, 2020 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First!!!! {sorry I forgot to make a note of it!!!}
Happy Belated Birthday, Viviette!! {Sun 8+ Leo}


Viviette..
Awesome that the Firefighter "saw" the Value of you, and spoke a kind of warning out loud to him.

You have been warning him also.
"Time" is a definite and concrete thing.
A precious commodity.

You invested 'time' into him, and learned valuable things about your self. You now decide how 'you' want to be treated in your future.

You are independent from him financially? (so there is no life-sustaining need for him in your life for that). From what you have said, that you were both living in an expensive flat, and have now moved into an inherited home where you both use it for making your money? .. You both use the same address?, or are you tied financially into that piece of real estate also?
~ You'd be making an adjustment in the style of life you've had 'because' he is your present partner.
You're the one who has to view this according to the amount of toxicity you can bear before it affects you even stronger?
You'd be physically starting over, in materially diminished setting?

That's what he is digging at you with?
Tells you that other women don't have it as good as you have your life {materially} with him?
.. ugh. that's harsh. *bheart*
What must that have you be feeling like?
{don't have to answer me, but something for you to get a grasp on?? *hug*}

You KNOW that other men SEE 'value' in you,
and over the course of time in this thread, you have crystalized and know and feel your own power and Worth as a partner and a 'person' in this world.

The fireman surprisingly "Validated" you-- It was assurance for YOU, and what you already 'know' inside you -- that this man may not be the right one for "YOU" ? ...
What are you ready to 'tolerate'?
How much further can you go?

So then, how are you going to proceed?

The fireman is married, so, he's out of the picture as far as 'availability' is concerned. *smile*

Perhaps friends and people like him could introduce you to others -- they'd be an asset to you in match-making? You have the planet of luck, Jupiter Taurus 27+, as a resident in your H11 -- friends, associates, networks, groups; your Dreams and Aspirations.. Why not let Fortuna and Serendipity {God!, and Grace} help place you in the Right Place, and at the Right Time, for the Right Partners?

Transiting Jupiter is now IN the H7 Relationship sector of your chart, including Business. Like we've talked about before, Saturn transiting late H7, has been known to be active in some people's charts who found themselves a partner {and married them}.

Christmas sees Saturn and Jupiter in your 8th House Aquarius. {Favorable for your Moon and Pluto Libra in H4vi}

Right now you have the 'big three' in Capricorn making trines to your Jupiter Taurus. ... haha, Pluto is known to represent Wealth, too?
If it's not actual money, it can be a partner {life and/or business} that can be a tremendous resource to you.

They create a Grand Trine with your Jupiter H11, to IC and Juno H4.

You have entered the 2nd Phase of your Life now that you've cleared the "corridor" with your Uranus opp Uranus. It's a kind of clean slate, and a rebuilding.

How do you want to plan for months into your future?
{For your self to answer.. }

Mars Retrograde Transiting 10th House
Tone down the competitive urge in your career and your ambitions.
You’ll make more progress at this time through collaboration or a sideways move than through trying to win by force.
Finding a solution which works for you and benefits others too is a more sustainable route through a potential career impasse.
REF
- [URL=http://astrology.tv/when-the-warrior-turns-inwards-your-easy-guide-to-mars-retrograde/]http://astrology.tv/when-the-warrior-turns-inwards-your-easy-guide-to-mars-retrograde/[/ URL]

Mars Retrograde Sept 6 {9th} through November {14th} when turns direct on Aries 15.14.

What kind of business or enterprise are you involved in? What's the product or service?

{I am not a 'professional' astrologer. I'm a student, learning slowly on my own. Please apply your good intuition, common sense, and your own knowledge of your own chart. I'm an extra set of eyes! *heart*}

*hug* Woman Power

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posted August 10, 2020 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mirage 💜

For now, I can go home abroad..
The other house plan didn’t come to pass. Really, it’s his attitude that needs changing more than any location!

Edit add : after helping parents reorganise their house I hope to focus on career

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posted August 10, 2020 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Loyalty from someone in your childhood. Awesome aspect

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posted September 01, 2020 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage !
Replying to your question:
I am an artist & doing some home renov.
Moon in 4th may be pleased to jog around
& change others’ abodes rather than keep moving myself !

I want to validate your transiting nodes info. He is indeed looking to give his health an overhaul and on 31/08 enrolled for fitness/diet advice .

31/08 I said I did not plan to return to the "situation." He got down on his knees.
I said whether you’re down there, or up here
makes no difference.
He said maybe he thought he could just sit back, as I got on with his kid Initially but that he’d wrongly focused on all the setbacks we had financially, job-wise, administratively.

He said he can change the tv as had already gone cold tv turkey for me for 6 weeks once in the past and he is willing to control himself. I said I am not really asking for changes in your life, I am just saving myself from the experience, you can continue as you have been doing.
He said not without you etc

I told him a lot of things he’d said or done that hurt me. Coupled with his aloofness it was tough to stand. Had felt loyalty but was finding it hard to justify why. To friends I found myself descending him (Head) and at the same time defending him (Heart)

He said he’s cried twice since yesterday eve.
He said we made the mistake of not listing our imperatives at the start
and he hadn’t listened enough during the rel’ship. 2 years went by so fast.

UPDATE / latest comment 3rd Sept:
I said I don’t want co-guardianship of a child in any form. So I cannot envisage a future together.

I appreciate his new attitude overall but I have been through the mill tolerance wise.
I still cry thinking of bad memories from the rel’ship at how curt & unwilling he was.

He says he has enormous regret.

The plan was coming together when I last wrote to you, wonder whether that gave me calm confidence / the courage of my convictions in the last week or 2
and I therefore appreciated him more
(kind of saying goodbye silently, gradually)
and opened up quietly releasing the hurt, knowing it was ending, so the last meeting before he left was not angry.

I was feeling peaceful in the month's run-up to the announcement and open and so was he, with the kid not there through August, so we could blossom and not be in such chaos.
Funnily enough, that felt like a fresh start
and I want to share with you that this is a power all women have : If you can let go of all the hurt
and wave goodbye to the past, you can start again with the same person , it’s like you wipe the slate clean without accusation, the other person feels it and comes towards you. (Adding : BUT it won’t work when the numerous people involved come back - like now, after the holidays)

So last month (holidays) we had the luxury
of some naps together after lunch and he’d hold me then, so that was healing, but I knew I wouldn’t be able to go back to the other way of chaos just afterwards and it was a confirmation to exit end of August.

It was interesting to see how we started to regenerate as a couple, although we weren’t alone together much & mostly among people
but a dynamic was changing in those hols.
The tv still happened at night but not as much because there were people to see.

But still on the last day of the hols
before we were due to go back to the flat,
I said it was goodbye . Now he’s looking to make changes . I cannot say any of it would work, so I said : regardless of us, it is right to make changes as no Gf would accept this combination of factors .

It’s been loud & chaotic yet empty-lonely somehow .

He was getting fat and his priorities were skewed. He let his kid run all over him and ignored me.

It’s surreal .He hinted at a future with me,
when I would only facilitate a greater departure from what he has this far respected as traditional : past family - In order to be traditional with me
(New focus and loyalties on the present In order to build a future )

Adding, on 2nd Sept -
I listed him the horrors I'd gone through privately, based on his actions and things he had said and started crying .
I thought of what my relatives said, that he doesn’t respect me

He wants to change , but does the potential I saw in him and the specialness in his chart point to a possibility he will become a better person ? (Under my instruction?)
He is a nice friend to others but I want him to be a good boyfriend —- that kind of potential .
(Worried about the famed Venus in Aqua position - sorry to be narrow-minded - and the Mars 12th.)

I spoke to him about my vision for the ideal rel’ship and I felt like I was speaking for all women , taking a stand I was proud of my Juno and remembered what you said

I spoke of encircling what I valued , I alluded to the symbolism of a golden (=valuable) ring symbol of protection and care , that I’d wanted him IN that ring , forsaking other useless « experiences. »

That I deserved a sacred union (it wasn’t a hint -as he’d asked me in the past) and it’s a passage that needs groundwork.
I see marriage as volunteer work rather than duty. So I was setting a framework of value around partnership and all it could be.
He started getting excited.
(However I kept coming in with things he’d said and my memories were disheartening for him)
Surprisingly he didn’t defend himself and took it all on the chin. He realised he hadn’t listened to me throughout our rel’ship regarding us (only external issues were allowed)

It was a purge for me, as well as a chance to update him on how I experienced the rel’ship.

He was quite shocked saying he didn’t even realise he lived like that and that his attitude had been awful .

I can’t gage him. No idea what will happen next.

Even though I have technically left,
because he keeps calling, it‘s unfinished and I am anxious. Then again, it’s not my request. I can’t tell him what to do , only how I felt and why.
I can only spread my wings and if he wants, he can try to follow of his own accord .

And I’ll be fine regardless . I stood up for women .
Maybe a YouTube channel would benefit Jupiter in 11th

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posted September 02, 2020 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But going back to Juno and predecessors , would you like me to post my gran’s chart for your research ?
I got hold of the times the other day

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posted September 03, 2020 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems to me that he really wants to make a change, and how MUCH of an influence you have been to his life, for the positive.

I have loved to read the way you are processing all of this. So real.

Yeah.. you're going to have to let Time be the revealer.

I haven't looked at your chart in a while.
I'm just stopping by quickly today.

Sure! I'd love to see your ancestor's chart!
And, I make NO promises. Sometimes, I have to be careful not to take on MORE than I have the ability to do, at the time. But I 'will' have it on-hand, as I see your story unfold.

A Youtube channel?? Ha!
Jupiter -- I'll have to consider more of your chart later (not now). I see you have New Moon in Virgo CONJUNCT your 4th house 'decorator' Juno 25.20 on Sept 17!! Mars Retro .. realestate.

Mars in Aries is going to go retro on Sep 9, through Nov 13.

I had come across information a few months ago {researching another chart} that Mars in retrograde has been associated with real estate transactions. Turns out??? I was given a DATE to check in an older person's chart. He didn't say what happened-- just gave me the date. Winds up that he had made a LARGE purchase of land/realestate. I ventured 'the guess' to him, and he had confirmed it.
{Shocking!!! hahahah He thought I was 'spooky'! *grin*}

I laughed when you talked about your Moon Libra in virgo 4th.. wanting to arrange and decorate OTHER people's homes. Yes, it's cheaper than buying, renovating, and selling?

So.. the transiting Mars is in your 10th.
Hope you find some new clients in real estate who want your services! .. Venus will sashay into LEO next week, and reach your 2nd House by Sept 10-- finances.

By the way---
Venus will conjunct your Saturn-Sun around the 25th of Sept, give and take some days.
There are different things written about that, and one of them deals with "relationships" -- could be mild too, where you weren't aware of the transit. --
Book says that you may "be restrained in expressing affection, but the affection is still there. ... You may not feel warm or affectionate, and you may alienate loved ones by 'seeming' to be indifferent. ... Fortunately this is not a long-lasting transit." {quote, Robt Hand, Planets in Transit.}

So.. be conscious of that, if your partner seems to want your attention and love.

It's also a time of splits and breakups-- if you want it to go that way.

So he mentioned TWO years?
That's a MARS Cycle!!
I've heard that it's good to date/wait TWO years in order to 'know' how your partner is during Mars transits. *thumbsup*

I'm not going to look more at charts right now-- otherwise this will go LONG! LOL


So. In summary,---
He is realizing that you are GOOD for him.
He's willing and working to change.
I really wish for you to HAVE that Sacred union you long for.

Everyone in relationship of all kinds, are learning the exchange and balances of feminine and masculine energies within us, and between us.

I LOVE what you said here--
your joint venture, is working! You are Growing.

QUOTE
"Funnily enough, it felt like a fresh start
and I want to share with you that this is a power all women have: If you can let go of all the hurt and wave goodbye to the past, you can start again with the same person ; it's like you wipe the slate clean without accusation, the other person feels it."

((YES!! that's a key on how to work it, maturely .. when BOTH are able to give and take, forgive and start fresh, the same way.))

I understand about tolerances ..
sometimes those can go low or high --

Sometimes when a person leaves the relationship, it happens BEFORHAND, emotionally. It's like you leave in your mind and soul first. All it takes is a trigger for the person to go. Some in relationships don't realize that, and they think it was 'sudden'. What happens is that they didn't see the 'clues'.
.. I see the places where you have discussed that very thing.

Major issue seems to be the child.
I hope the ex agrees to new schedule,
and that the two of you will have more Quality time together.

{With your relative's chart, you can send it in a message to Randall with my name in title, and he'll forward it to me.
.. I'd be excited to look at ancestry as powerful Women.
If you could include your own chart data, that would be interesting too! Any full data will allow me to put it in my astrodienst account. Right now, I've been going off copies of charts.---
But again!! haha, I have to watch how much I commit to people. I'm not always able to do the work I want.}
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Did this post under a lot of distraction.
Hope I was able to be clear!

Much Love to you, Viviette!!
It's a pleasure conversing.


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ADD .. regarding Mars in retro ..
I hear that some say that this {year 2020} might not a good time for real estate??? -- I'm too new to really evaluate that?
Heard that if you get a 'fixer-upper' and great deal, then that's better.
The man I mentioned with the fantastic deal and Mars retro was in 1999. But of course, let your INTUITION be your guide.

Also, Mars RETRO in relationships could surface some conflicts?, but wait it out past the retrograde to make those life-changing decisions?

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posted September 04, 2020 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh dear I just edited out a sentence of some previous posts and ended up reposting the lot

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posted September 04, 2020 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted September 04, 2020 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for viviette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
triple quote -post 😅

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posted September 04, 2020 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He's still in the same position as that last post? Hope you can get some kind of free-space to consider what you want.

quote:
Originally posted by viviette:
I did think of nursing before or Red Cross
and was driven by the emotional side for this.
Plus Pisces MC and Neptune is in 6th.
But now settled on the creative side for a few reasons. But part of me regrets not having given what I had to service.


Didn't mean to say you should take-up real-estate. Sorry.

I hope you will be able to sort and discern what you really want to do.

Regrets for not using your talents in Service?
. . You can make amends, and consider donating 'just a little' of your time to a Service group that could use an extra pair of hands, .. from a Woman with a Heart!

Hope you can get some rest and clarity during this weekend.

Take care

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