posted September 05, 2020 04:20 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
He's still in the same position as that last post?

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posted September 05, 2020 05:34 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Sure! I'd love to see your ancestor's chart!
And, I make NO promises. Sometimes, I have to be careful not to take on MORE than I have the ability to do, at the time. But I 'will' have it on-hand, as I see your story unfold.

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Ah Mirage I meant it more to validate your personal research re: Juno / ancestry - not to give you “work” So sweet of you to keep it on hand. I hope her chart can be of help to you, primarily in your research .

I was troubled about a post I saw about a temporary finance problem and I wish you all the best to resolve it. I hope there is some good astrology coming up .

Side thought :
Can you offer readings ? Maybe you just need someone who knows marketing and websites to create your shop window and ram it at people with some gorilla marketing Or YouTub ?

Happy to say you are already rich in kindness, caring and clarity 💜 (that’s only a fraction of the list)

Thank-you for the transits!
I am sad there is a Venus~Saturn around 25th which could possibly impact, but will just bear it in mind. Knowledge is power !
I think I may be at my folks house by then, regardless if my rel’ship is developing positively or negatively.

I notice he has Saturn square Uranus this year ! He could be up for change - or it will break.

Well, haha , I thought YouTubr because I want to share some knowledge across a broad range of disciplines .

Re: decorating OTHER people's homes:
it's cheaper than buying, renovating, and selling?

I can’t afford a house on project income, but I treat places like home.. Fostering houses 😅 I am scraping wallpaper off the family's lil country shack now.

If it works out with Boyf we cannot stay in that flat - too expensive.

Ya-hey! I will be looking at my financial issues , it’s actually on my list get super-organised, already whittled down my belongings so I can see clearer.

Re: couples
So true that a sudden departure is the other’s ... blindness.

Mirage I have to say now that you have helped me so much . And clearly others too .
The issues I was suppressing came to the surface .
I had so much PRESSURE and NO RECOGNITION.
I was trying to rebuild myself on a daily basis by myself, amid obstacles. And feeling sad that I couldn’t even achieve in my rel’ship, it's strange to be alone on a joint path. He allowed others to steer his priorities away from us.

Being able to identify that with your help and also say it in a powerful way , that I am deserving , was key .

It’s a common theme in society that WOMEN get taken for granted, but they are so much more than just background diligence, mothering and the open arms of daily forgiveness !
They are strength in light of adversity . Sometimes we are made to forget that we are also peace and dignity.

Neither is frustration wrong. It’s there as an alarm bell. We should never stay down and compromise our vision. If the vision is not yet formulated, we can do so through our frustration. Knowing what we don’t want can be just as helpful . We are strength and we all know the route to happiness even if the path is thorny. Our ideas need to be acknowledged even if we stand alone . The key is to live in truth.

posted September 06, 2020 04:09 PM            

So!
This powerful Grandma-woman {Memere} has JUNO on her Desc. Chiron on the H6 side of a conjunction to the Desc, is a marker for a Healer-- Aqua on the 6th Cusp?, society.
Her Juno is sextile Jupiter in the 4th. {You have Juno in 4th trine earth Jupiter H11.}
Her Jupiter Capricorn conjuncts your Descendant..
Both of your charts are having a transit from Jupiter Capricorn to that degree.

Your Leo earlier degrees are located in her 11th House .. of Friendship! Your Moon Libra to her Venus Libra H2.. *love* awwww!

I had had a Scorpio Grandmother born around the same time as yours! And, she was born not-to-far from the place that YOU were born!
Her Sun ~27 Scorp was in my 12th, and trine my Jupiter Cancer 27+ H8 with Uranus 25+/VX24+. Her name asteroid is conjunct my Sun Gemini. My Libra Grandmother's name is conjunct my Sun also.
.. My Scorpio Grandmother wanted to become a woman-Lawyer in early 1900s, but had to give up her dream in order to take over the 'duties' of managing the household, and raising her younger 8 brothers and sisters, after her mother died when she was 13/14 years old.
.. I am soo proud of her!
Her family had all emigrated to US.
She took on work in the textile mills in that area. During that time, she saw children working in the mills who were over-worked with long hours; plus, the atmosphere in those factories at that time was not healthy to breathe. Polluted.
She with other coworkers incepted the Labor Unions for textile and other mill-workers in that region of US.
They advocated / fought for shorter hours for the children, and better air quality in the work environment.
Her life was in peril for doing this, as she had received threats to her life (at her home) for instigating the standing up for Rights.
She and her Union's group won.. Making a Difference!
{I never found out what year she was born. All I know is it was somewhere just-past the first years of 1900 ... through around the time your grandmother was born.}

I've seen a family trio of charts belonging to individuals who did MUCH work (politically) to make life better (in USA) for the poor, the medically needy, for the health and welfare of children, and for incepting job-training apprentice programs for young adults.
. .
These shared the position of having Vesta on the Desc.
{ummmm.. it's been a while since I examined their charts-- didn't fact-check, but I believe my recollection is true? and, I was watching the progressed charts with Vesta in the time periods they were in the media mentions FOR their work.}

I had done a post on Vesta, describing her as doing Service for a Nation/tribe.

#Asteroid Astrology forum
"Vesta conjunct Hestia"
scroll down to my post,
June 19, 2020.
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/002357.html

I specially loved the last song I left, describing the energetics of these two asteroids.. {You can substitute the word 'prayer' with having the quality of 'resolve' of a pure and Sacred Dedication to their task-- performing with diligence and duty}.
.. I love the Ella Fitzgerald song too.
I think those two songs fit the energies of those two asteroids.

So again, thank you for sending the chart data-informations. I'm actually excited to have these-- just eyeballing the charts here, has me finding things, but I must hold myself back, for now! LOL I go into delineation storms!! *grin*

*~

About the post you say was quoted in error?
That's perfectly fine. No worries. I'm wiping that out 'in my mind', but I think the 'whole quote' present on the other page was initiated by 'you', and you're the one that needs to go in to edit-remove your own whole-quote mistaken post?
.. No worries. Got it on my own end.

Thank you for working so hard to make sure that I know that it was an 'old' previous situation, and is not-true now. *thumbsup*

And thank you again for sharing all that with me. It's wonderful that we can communicate like that. You are (and I am) working things out in our lives, and relationships.

*~

My situation--
I loved your wording it as about my "temporary" finance problem!! *prophetically??, I 'receive' that!!*
Thank you for your Kind comment!

I understand about being a Giver in a situation, with someone who is not capable of recognizing or validating your worth.

*~
BUSINESS
With the houses that you rehabilitate/ renovate--
Are you doing any video-documentaries with it-- Stages of project, from start to finish? -- That could be valuable for marketing your services later on.

I know the amount of work (and heart) that's involved in what you do. My first home had been a fixer-upper.

Loved what you had to say about VENUS into LEO.
Getting 'super-organized' ..yes!! haha

{We BOTH think like 'marketers!!' ..
Too bad we live on different continents!!}

*~

Saturn square Uranus...
I'm reading about that right now in my book.
Robert Hand, Planets in Transit. {You need a copy of this book, LOL}.
Sounds like what's going on IN his life is EXACTLY what this transit is describing.

Saturn is in his 8th now, including Pluto and Jupiter.
When Jupiter goes direct next Sunday Sept 13, maybe that will eventually start up energies again?
I've heard that Jupiter travels pretty fast once it gets going.
Saturn will be Direct next month (October), and at the same time Pluto turns direct on Oct 4.

Mars goes retrograde tomorrow? .. *whimpers*
When Mars does his retros every few years, they are a long transit for the closer planets.
I've heard that it 'slows things up'.

Hey. I see that Boyf's 5th House cusp will have NM in Virgo on it.
Oh. At the same time, he'll be having his Sun Opp Sun. {only lasts a few days}
That can be quite a revealing time for him. A time too, for him to be really integrating all that he has learned over this past 1/2 year.

I'm glad he has such a fine Supporter in YOU.

Your last paragraphs are filled with SUCH Inspiration!!!
Truth.

(music) This is a Man's World (Christina Aguilera)
[3:43] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQQyOYpuA6k

When I was in the working world start of 1970s, things were SO unequal as far as men's and women's finances were concerned. I could tell you some stories that would infuriate you!!! Singe your Leo hair!! haha.

Ho~oh. I better STOP thinking about it ..
Torques me at how BADLY women have been financially RIPPED-OFF.
. .
The women who are OLDER these days, in USA, are SHORTED in their social security income checks BECAUSE of prior acceptable "discrimination" and Pay-Inequalities!!
** haha. okay.
stop thinking!!! ** *grin*

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I don't know how interested you are in esoteric-type of subjects?

Since you and I have Virgo-degree placements in common, the New Moon in Virgo is cosmically related to the Virgin in the constellations-- The Mary's, representing Feminine-principles of today.
.. So
I'm speaking of this because I came across a video describing The Divine Feminine. The man is a kind of archeologist, philosopher-musician.
Researches history behind christian mystical symbols--
Virgin Mary, and Mary the Magdalene.
There was also the Mary that served the Home-- and was Hostess to events that Jesus was present to.
There's confusion about whether Mary the prostitute that washed Jesus' feet and dried them with her hair, and Mary Magdalene is the same person.

We're in a time of re-balancing the Importance of the rising of The Feminine.

This might be new ground to you?
BTW-- It's totally okay if you don't want to get into it right now.

(topic) The Coming of the Divine Feminine -
The Song of Mariam Mare
(Lars Muhl, Aug 26, 2020)
[24:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe6-2e9VDhY

Song is Dedicated for the "Mary' in ALL women.

*~

For asteroid enthusiasts!!!
OMG!!!! spooky asteroids!
wow! *heart*

TRANSITING

2779 Mary Virgo 11.11
THE SUN Virgo 14.37
318 Magdalena Virgo 14.24 !!!!!
CONJUNCTION *eek*

trine
Pallas Athene Capricorn 12.12 SDirect
Jupiter Capricorn 17.28 rx.

MOON Taurus 4.54
85471 Maryam Taurus 2.36 retro

trine Uranus Taurus 10.29 retro

Look at all that grounded feminine EARTH element.

(my chart)
transiting JUNO is in Libra 25.40 natal H10
conjunct my Neptune r Libra 25.50
conjunct natal 2779 Mary r Libra 24.25.

posted September 08, 2020 08:49 PM            

And thank-you lovely Mirage for having had a quick look at my grandmother's chart.
Validation: You are right she WAS a healer
(and spent her spare time going to people’s houses speaking to everyone or bringing soup to the sick)
My mum said about her: "she knew things" even about medicine, that she hadn’t been taught. (Would’ve loved to have known her but she passed when I was little, 1979 I think)

Apparently, she said she’d “rather sweep the streets than not have a job.“
I think your gran may have had a similar invested attitude. A work ethic with energy, diligence, pride. Method ! Yours as mum of 8 and a job and a mission, and mine with 4 kids numerous jobs and a B&B and big on community. Her 1st husband passed in the early 1950s, the 2nd in the 60s.

She believed in Astrology and is the reason my mum later got some books to see what the fuss was about, which I later opened , the first being a Linda, of course !

Ah yes - name asteroids are fascinating. Uncanny really.

Your 1st home was a fixer upper ? I should be taking tips from YOU then !

"Saturn 8th : being forced to confront whatever you’ve been denying or avoiding."
= your girlfriend ! 😅

Jupy 8th = you say acceleration ?

I like how it can also about increased intimacy and joint business planning

I suppose mars retro will slow changes, but then any changes should be right if well thought-through.

It’s cute how you tend to support your comments with a song.
What’s the music connection for you Mirage ? Does music mean a lot to you ?

New Moon in Virgo is cosmically related to the Virgin in the constellations-- The Mary's, representing Feminine-

Used to pray to Mary in times of great need.
For the feminine Earth element , I additionally have Lilith in Taurus.
I am starting to see the importance of The Feminine.

We're in a time of re-balancing the Importance of the rising of The Feminine.

Thanks for that.
Would the 3 outer planets going into Aqua shortly globally help redress that inequality?

posted September 16, 2020 10:05 AM            

Think I replied to a thread on LL once about this kind of inequality, I figured that men had to foot the house and all the bills in the past and - even if unmarried - when a couple went out, the guy paid. So I don't really give pay difference a second thought, as it was probably somewhat necessary to offset the difference.

Although I agree that now it is an outdated concept, what with so many self-sufficient women in need of cash to get their hair done! Which MEN want long and tamed :P
(Mine's short now hahahhahhha, I won't be told, if I myself won't be heard

And I don't like how Earnings get equated with Equality - why should Respect be accorded by Earnings? Goodness me.
Omg I had to erase my typo saying goddess looooool. Let's not get above ourselves, but hey, it is a tribute thread to Juno and women
(Women should be respected by men just for BEING women.)
Also, some women get a cushy job through someone in the family or inherit, so why would a guy respect them, when by themselves they may have been unable to obtain a good situation? And others are not respected because their circumstances haven’t allowed them to progress?
I repeat though, women should be respected just for being women. It's men who can have the odd attitude about the meaning of equality.

Of course! Single mothers should not be forgotten about. Really, as proven main providers, if they work they should definitely be paid in line with what men get.

PS
Also want to add that I think I am feeling the Virgo New Moon already? Since yesterday.
How about you, Mirage?

Something is inspiring me regarding priority-setting, I am getting my admin done, taking better care of myself- considering I am alone!
And what helped also was that I watched the most amazing video. If I could recommend only one, ever, it would be that one. Do I need to post that in another section of LL?

posted September 18, 2020 05:25 PM            

We live 1.5h away from eachother now.

I think his potential is not going to be realised in his current situation.

I am perturbed he was happy for me to get to the end of my tether/oblivious? before actioning even the mildest of changes in behaviour.

My core was about peace and laughter and solutions.

He now still gives her choices, but it's strategic on his part, to steer her in a certain direction (due to the choice featuring 1 choice that is clearly not as good as the other so he ensures she picks the one he prefers!) and yet she thinks she's in control, so that's how he gets her to do things he wants without screaming as much .
But make no mistake the whole day is still tailored to her incessant needs.

So! The ridiculous noise has gone. The weird things she did and the crazy provocative element. That’s why I think she’d be better with a fixed residence with one family.
But I am happy to just save myself and let them continue.

posted September 19, 2020 11:44 PM            

She'll grow out of her stages. Grows out of the toddler-child stage then into a school-age child. There's a real shift in maturity that comes around 5y/5-1/2yrs?

Glad that the dad is learning the art of shaping questions to her, and directing what the child needs to choose to do--

Children are time consumers in the first years, then as they grow there is less and less constant demand.

You'll need to decide what you ultimately want to do.

I was here reading and going to write a more-involved post last evening when suddenly the announcement came over the news that one of our Supreme Court Justices had died-- Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

I looked at her chart, and saw that she was near her Juno Scorpio Return at 4+. Transiting Juno was 29+Libra.

As I read and listened to materials about her, like her stand on Women's Rights, she epitomizes the energies behind Juno.
Wrote about her in another thread.

I've got to sleep right now.
Have a great day.
Strong hug to you.

posted September 25, 2020 04:35 AM            

I updated my previous message..

posted September 25, 2020 10:49 AM            

To me, she, in her life's work, embodied JUNO.
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
#asteroid astrology forum
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/005126.html
and

Mirage thread in #Labors of Love forum
page 14 {asteroid work in-progress}
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000681-14.html

Asteroid work --
I have done some asteroid chart-work under that Mirage thread, {Have some of Ruth's asteroids not-included yet, as I'd like to 'expand' on them first, before including them in Asteroid Astrology forum}.

I have personal threads where I've worked on asteroids over the years I've been at LL.

# Labors of Love forum.
* 'Mirage' thread
{started by Randall after LL servers failed a long-running thread I had.}

* 'Good Performed by One Becomes Strategy For Helping Many Others'
is a thread started on June 24, 2013, then failed to open again as of October 10, 2019, ending with p.118-- DUE to LL change of servers.
That thread (and title) began from an article I read in an email newsletter I've received for years from former President Jimmy Carter and Roslyn Carter, about their work at "The Carter Center" in State of Georgia, USA.
The 'Good Performed' thread had a variety of 'types' of posts within it.
Did asteroid analyses of public News Events over these past years, as they happened.

I very much enjoy doing those kinds of News Event detailed asteroid threads.

Thanks for saying you edited above.
I will reread your most-recent posts again.

Health--
Just to let you know....
My health feels horrible because of my environment!!!
I never got the relocation I needed,
and it has harmed my future and what I am able to 'do'.

Viviette--- *hug*
I work my hardest, and try to do my best.
I have NO CONTROL over this environment that is so toxic to my body.
Woke up feeling 'normal' this morning...
then 8:00am, my torture session started. Goes UP another level around 10:00am through around 1:00pm.
You can't imagine how "ill" I feel with this.
It has me very afraid, Viviette.
There is only 'so much time'.
It ruins...
Can't move because I live in state of very deep poverty--- (to which I'll say, "ONLY for right now!" haha--- I loved the energy from when you said ... "it's TEMPORARY!" ... YAY! From your lips and keyboard, to God's Ear. *hug*).

Thank you sooooo MUCH for your encouragements!

Oh.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg and I "share" the SAME degree and sign of our JUNO.

Transiting Juno is now Scorpio 1.40.
My Juno is rx 4.49 Scorpio in 11th House.
.. trines my Mars Cancer in H7gem

posted September 25, 2020 06:19 PM            

Mirage! I am appalled and sorry to hear that the environment is not at all propitious to your well-being.

Can local food banks help or The Red Cross?

Had you thought of trying to earn via job platforms ?

Why is energy lacking? Lack of support, financial?
I hear your fear for the future. This shouldn’t be happening to you. Or anyone else out there.

Could you ask students to create an Astro website and have paid members who get access to more detail ?
Maybe you need to start thinking of yourself more ? What can you do? Can you harness that remotivating power you bring to others, for yourself ?

Can you grow tomatoes on a window sill - if you don’t have a garden ?
Try growing cress for nutrients ! With 50+ minerals & vitamins. According to sources, it contains more vitamin C than oranges, more vitamin E than broccoli, more calcium than milk and more folate than bananas.

posted September 26, 2020 01:05 AM            

Problem has come with vibration sensitivity.
The place-itself shakes and vibrates from heavy mechanicals, and audio woofer systems of neighbors in the building. {Gamers}
.. Over the years, I've developed headaches, and with all the dark deep downbeats, and constant building shaking, the inflammation grew very uncomfortable.
.. I tried to reason with the man here that IF we were able to move to a quieter senior-type community {or place with better vibration sound-proofing} then my health-condition would very much improve, and I could find a job to make up for any increased rent.... But, he doesn't want nor like anything to change. He is content here.
We have NO romantic ties--
relationship is surface-casual living-together, hardly any meaningful conversations at all.

I ~may be deleting this post perhaps? ..
and the parts of post I did above mentioning health.
{Edit: read it, and maybe it's okay. Part of the process.}

I grow wearier at staying on-top-of-it at times. Spend intensive-time all day long 'consciously coping' with all this. At times, the reality of how MUCH I have HAD to be on-edge fighting to keep my well-being, and equanimity is heavy. It has me feeling frozen-packed with a 'what am I going to do' do do, when I can't do anything? ...

I had volunteered for 3 years.. Sometimes that was hard because I'd go in with terrible headache and limited rest from the night-before. But I never failed to show up.
.. They eventually knew about my circumstances at home. One of the supervisors told me that what I've needed in my life was a mentor.

After she said that, I knew she was right. I needed someone who 'knew' me, and I could count on for advice. 13 years ago? after I moved-in with Rm; and 19 years ago? when I relo'd to the State; that would have made ALL the difference in my life. Was already VERY motivated and a do-er-- needed guidance.

So. The man I live with used to be a neighbor. He had had a stroke, needed heart stints, then he had an accident needing surgery and LONG few years of recovery. I moved in. At first, his medical needs (plus domestic) is what consumed my life.
.. He says he has 'amnesia' for the years I took care of him. His mind is blank-- as though it never happened.

I had started an interest in astrology through books. Later, we got a computer and I watched videos.

LL became my social outlet!! Being stuck at home for a while with Rm, it was great for online socializing.

Last February, by phone I had found a senior resource group who were going to help me find a new place, and find social groups around town so I could make some friends-- then COVID hit.
.. Even my volunteer job shut down. Now, they aren't using seniors (working with the public) because of COVID. They use computers/zoom, and college students who are required to do volunteer intern-work as they study in that field.

So... Things had gone on a HUGE hold, with COVID.

Hey, thanks for listening to my woes. haha.

Been trying to learn more and more astrology.
Listening a lot to politics these days... (too much??! ..)
And sorting through my bins and files, purging things.

Feels lighter.

posted September 26, 2020 11:07 AM            

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page 169 quote

JUNO ASTROLOGICAL RULERSHIPS

* Juno is an indicator of all one-to-one relationships.
.. marriage; business; friendship; partner; mate; equality and freedom; balance of power: compatibility; marriage and relationship counseling.

* Juno rules over marriage rituals and institutions.
.. chastity and feminine virtue; courtship; betrothal; engagement; marriage; separation; divorce; legal marriage; freemate union; weddings and anniversaries; childbirth; legitimate and illegitimate children.

* Juno is a significator of protocol and social ritual.
.. host/hostess; hospitality; entertainment; etiquette; charm.

* Juno enhances feminine beauty.
.. adornment; dress style; makeup; scents; glamour; décor.

* Juno represents 'creative talent in the arts'.
.. women's arts; performing arts; projection of image; masks; dance; drama; vocal.

* Juno stands up for women's rights.
.. Equal Rights Amendment {E.R.A.}, the matriarch; women's support groups.

* Juno is a symbol for the powerless.
.. women; battered wives; abused children; victims; minorities; disabled; crimes of sexual violence; seduction; rape; incest.

* Juno is associated with the atmosphere.
.. weather, climate, meteorology; storms; quality of environment; clean and pure air.

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page 165 quote

Juno as an Indicator of "Women's Cycles and Functions"

Juno is the general ruler of female development and represents the
- preparation for,
- culmination of,
- and separation from ...
the "married" state.

IN THE FIRST STAGE,
girls learn how to attract men, and to be "good wives" as opposed to mothers.
Juno is the timer of menstruation, an experience that indicates a ripeness for sexual intercourse and subsequent marriage.

IN THE SECOND STAGE,
Juno becomes the bride, wife, matriarch, and 'emotional supporter of the "husband's goals".
Here, she functions as 'the patroness of the nuclear family, home, and community.'

IN THE FINAL STAGE of widowhood,
Juno signifies "loss or separation,"
and the need for the woman to "regain her sense of self."
IF she has lived primarily through her husband,
the Juno woman will now face the challenge of
'establishing her own identity' and 'inner purpose.'

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page 163 quote

5) Juno and the Powerless --
As the ruler of those who lack power in relationships,
Juno acts as a universal symbol for 'the classes of powerless individuals'--
abused women and children, victims of seduction, rape and incest, minorities, and the disabled.
{b]And because she never ceased to fight against injustice,
Juno rules those who fight for the rights of the underdog (particularly women) in the 'political,' economic, educational, and 'judicial arenas'.[/b]

R.I.P. .. Ruth Bader Ginsburg

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page 159 quote

JUNO AS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF RELATIONSHIP
..excerpt..
Juno generally represents the mate (or those qualities we project ONTO the mate),
but depending on other factors,
this asteroid can describe any close one-to-one relationship such as
teacher-disciple, therapist-client, business partners, or close friends.
In addition,
when Juno refers to the "significant other,"
it is not necessary that the couple be legally married, as was the case in the myth.
In today's world of changing social mores, any living-together union, heterosexual or homosexual, qualifies as a Juno relationship.

BY TRANSIT, Juno describes the timings for the inception of relationships, as well as periods of crisis and separation.
She governs the rituals of courtship, engagement, marriage, wedding anniversaries, and divorce.

IN SYNASTRY, Juno is a primary indicator of compatibility and karmic connection.
Thus, the use of Juno as a relationship significator simplifies the process of chart comparison, and provides essential information that could not be gained from the traditional relationship rulers--
(Venus, Mars, Sun, Moon, and the signs on the fifth-, seventh-, and eight-house cusps).
. .
Astrologers may perceive similarities between the delineations of Juno .. and those of Moon and Venus as given in traditional chart interpretation.
..
This correspondence exists because 'the Moon' is the ground of feminine energy, and 'Venus' is the Moon's active sexual expression from which Juno emerges.
Juno, however, is the 'specific' differentiation of the Moon-Venus energy, as expressed through her role as 'wife' and 'mate.'

______________________________________________
There's a whole lot MORE written about Juno.
- http://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Goddesses-Mythology-Psychology-Re-Emerging/dp/0892540826

posted September 30, 2020 03:42 AM            

But why is time running out ? That sounds specific. Not illness I hope !

So sorry about the resource group & volunteering shutting down. I see you were making steps towards change, plus suggesting a move. Really positive. I can imagine that over time, noise in your true home would be very wearing. You’re right to be thinking of a change.
Out of curiosity, what time does the noise pollution stop?

Can you get a room soundproofed? DIY forum help, YouTube, or a music tech forum ?

Can you wear foam earplugs (I get the kids’ size as the adult size can hurt after some hours of wear)

I once gave a friend this next tip because he said he couldn’t sleep because his flatmates were partying in the place and he had a final exam the next day.
I suggested he get his Discman and put in one earphone (the other ear on the pillow) or If wearing both earphones, to pass the wire around the back and put the music on low -but enough to cover the external noise. This was before Bluetooth!
The next day he said he had been able to sleep and he aced his exam.
Maybe this can help at night time Stp help you drift off ? It’s still noise but it’s quiet noise that you choose.

There are also noise cancelling headphones like pilots wear to cancel out the engine noise etc, but those are expensive and only for day-time. And they are like huge cups, but it could lend a new look

Can you work for another Senior, but in a quiet leafy suburb ? You could place an ad.

Excuse me - amnesia regarding the whole time you looked after him ? How devalidating.
He sounds rather too frank.

Know exactly what you mean about fighting for well-being. Suddenly that becomes important... when you lose it !

Givers are happy to ignore or «indefinitely postpone» their well-being, because they get happiness from helping others, right? But when outside irritations get IN and cannot be transformed, the tolerance limit will be reached eventually. Because when you’re solution-minded, there comes a pont when enough is enough and brick walls are roadblocks. If we « don’t ask for much » (Accepting) and we don’t DO, then nothing’s going to move forward so we have to keep strategising.

Politics ? I am interested in political Astro, do you ever post about that ? I saw you made a side comment about the US chart and asteroids being poignant, in a previous thread.

posted September 30, 2020 04:17 AM            

This made me laugh:
« I had a total fireman-equivalent as well« 
😅
Dearie me, it was like being hosed down! Reality hosing!
Being baptised in my own faith (in myself) that I don’t need to accept a down-bogging situation.

Sometimes you have to give something up, to get (closer to your vision)
Make way, even just for a small change.

Anyway, are you still trying to make it work with your guy?

Am seeing mine only every other week and I am happier. I do t know if I am easing out but I definitely have redrawn the boundaries. Happier partly due to successful noise reduction , as in Mirage’s quest.

posted October 01, 2020 03:19 PM            

Not to take his side, but I think he is under enormous stress. If like you say everything is falling apart. He is probably sleeping badly on those couches and feeling even more grouchy. So that’s what we’re dealing with.

I doubt you’ll have a balanced conversation with him at this point. He feels he has « rights » with you, as you have kids together. Was he trying to find his place with you BY having kids ? He sounds like a Big Kid himself! Avoiding errands and throwing alternative party lunches

What was his childhood like ? Is he overcompensating or being what he thinks is the ideal dad ? Or is he trying to win the kids’ favour especially now.

What do your shared kids think of the situation ? Do they understand you ? Have you put it into words to them? Do they witness the yelling ?

Maybe he always felt at the side of the action initially and he is trying to find fun with the kids. It looks like he had a sweet vision for parenting but he seems to have lost a handle on himself. There is anger or resentment bubbling up, which he hid, hoping things would work out and now he’s still angry as they are not working out. Frustrated love.

If I could suggest anything specifically for you,,it would be a 2 week yoga retreat together. If you still love him.
Maybe when the pandemic calms down..

In that case, consider sending a note, saying you’re sorry he felt sidelined at the start and maybe it set a pattern which was never your intention. As a mother you prioritised your young and it was purely instinctual.
And would he join you on a relaxing retreat.

You have nothing to lose. He will calm down. And if nothing else you will have some GOOD and recent memories, if it does end for whatever reason. Let me tell you that that is important. It will dissolve the atmosphere. There’s nothing wrong with showing you care after having been hurt. Both of you. It will help you move forward without annoyance, whether together or apart. Even if you ease out, you will have re-established a connection which will make the future easier.

What I mean is, you could even find your way back to eachother. But the pressure needs to be released (not on eachother) but through relaxation like yoga and in a neutral environment. Being there to enjoy the moment.
Towards the end, when calm has become the norm, you could discuss the dealbreakers on each side, like:
If I make a little list, I expect you to get the things.
Say you have pressure too and a vision and you need his help.
Ask him what he needs from you to feel safe and calm. What does he like to do for fun as a couple, as a family. Remind him of his happier identity.
I think if he stuck it out in a frustrating situation and in spite of hurting inside he deserves a hearing. At the end of the day he wants what you wanted so you are not so incompatible.

I think you’re both out of air and you need to oxygenate this or you can’t even get a structure in place to move forward. If his anger is out of a busted vision and he loves you I can understand his frustration. Maybe that leads to yelling. It doesn’t mean it’s acceptable but I think he reached his limit some time ago.

It was very difficult for me - waiting for the change that only started to happen on my Boyf’s part only when I had had enough. It feels like I wasn’t taken seriously or others shouted louder or I was Miss Nice and I should stay in character.
I empathise with your guy’s waiting game and that he had the guts to have kids -not knowing which way it would go , but hoping for the best. He is an optimistic guy at least and I think you are right, he did have a vision.

I think the prob is that strangely (unknowingly) you both focused on eachother without letting the other know except through frustration.

What I mean is. You were waiting for his potential to come out including as Helpful Husband (and he was waiting for your potential to further unfold as Superwoman which he already saw you as. But he wanted to be inspired by your go-getting side (which appealed to his fun side because both characters show energy) and from his comment he was hoping to increase the earnings to have a better standard of living for all of you. Because he saw you as an equal.

Funny as I progress I can excuse everyone, also my Boyf.
But I know what it’s like to be in a tense environment with pressure from all angles and it’s not pleasant so you must get or make your peace in some way to come out unscathed.

I told mine that I had always wanted to represent Peace.
Like the Japanese symbol for Peace is a woman beneath a roof /home. (That’s a strong cultural statement and it also means the women keep quiet!)
But in the West we don’t keep quiet, we address problems - that’s our way of keeping happy for peace in the long-term.

I just think you guys need a different environment to relax and just exist as you did at the start and take it lit from there. At whatever pace required.

Wish you the best x

posted October 27, 2020 01:00 PM            

Today transiting SUN Scorpio is on my JUNO 4.49.

Bump for Emsie's thread----
There's another Juno and IC conversation posted by Emsie. Involves her planet Saturn in her 4th, with Saturn-Return coming.
Her Juno is in later Libra H4.
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/005136.html

Transiting Mercury Scorpio
has been traveling retro in Scorpio in the past weeks,
and passed over my Juno, as I was replying to this thread.
*BUMP* for
ARB1997's thread on
'Juno -- Seriously confused'. {Juno LEO, 8th House}
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/005141.html

Transiting Mercury will turn direct in Libra (on my Neptune 25+) and Emsie's Juno--
then for last time will be forward to re-conjunct with my natal Juno Scorpio on Nov 14/15.

BUMPs for JUNO
Currently,
transiting Juno is moving through Scorpio at 12+ degrees.

opp my Venus Taurus 12+
conjunct my Saturn Scorp rx 16+
Have natal aspect of a Juno square Chiron

Juno story of my first married relationship
in this thread-
scroll down to my June 18, 2020 post
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/005063.html
. .
His Juno Virgo 12+ trined my Venus Taurus 12+.
His Neptune-Jupiter Scorpio 1+ and 2+ conjuncted my Juno 4+.
{There were other 'soulmate' kind of connections with that one, involving a shared Vesta Cancer in my H8.
Vesta Cancer 17+ trine Saturn Scorp rx 16+}

Oh my!! This is like a 'relationship review'! *laugh*

___________________________________________
Hoping things are well with all here.

Sun in SCORPIO is "4.44" degrees
as I submit this reply.

posted October 28, 2020 12:42 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by viviette:
Hope you’re well ! 🤗

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Me too!!!
Every single day has presented a strong physical struggle, dealing with 'sounds', vibrations, and their effects inside my body. arrghhh

Feels at a standstill. Coping the best I can.

Thanks, and Good to see you.

posted October 29, 2020 05:50 AM            

Over on my side, been seeing Boyf in non-kid weeks. I told him what I had just read by a famous doctor saying BEFORE age 6, it is a huge error for kids to be ferried «backwards & forwards » between parents - they should just be based with one if there was a separation

Other than this I've mainly been saying I don’t wish to witness his nurturing attempts.

Edit : is this perhaps my Juno rebelling because I don’t have the role I want ?

posted October 29, 2020 05:58 AM            

https://youtu.be/EyrimDMod4I

posted October 29, 2020 08:48 AM            

“OK question
-why is he on couches for 2 months if he’s a man knocking 40 ? He hasn’t taken his own apartment so I guess he is entertaining the idea you will let him back ?
(As you already did once)”

Surface-level reason is money, but I’m pretty sure that plays in too. Seems to be improving— he’s lined up a good-paying seasonal job that will take him out of town for all of November and January, and a place to stay in between.

“Not to take his side, but I think he is under enormous stress. If like you say everything is falling apart. He is probably sleeping badly on those couches and feeling even more grouchy. So that’s what we’re dealing with.”

Yes, true. But that’s a big part of the problem: he *always* loses his s*** when life gets stressful. It does that from time to time— that’s life— and I just finally realized that I have been pouring a ridiculous amount of energy into trying to smooth things out and make everything as easy as possible. To the detriment of pretty much everything else. Bad, bad circular logic: As long as everything is going smoothly, he’s fine, and by extension everyone else is too. How on earth did I get to the point where I forgot there was anything better than ‘tolerable’ to aim for?

“I doubt you’ll have a balanced conversation with him at this point. He feels he has « rights » with you, as you have kids together. Was he trying to find his place with you BY having kids ? He sounds like a Big Kid himself! Avoiding errands and throwing alternative party lunches ”

No, I’m sure he wasn’t trying to find his place with me by having kids. That happened a lot sooner than either of us really intended, and it took a long time to find out that, while I was feeling really hopeful and optimistic about making the best of an unexpected situation, he was putting on a really good show of being happy and confident while actually being scared witless and assuming that I felt like I was stuck with him and making the best of a bad situation.
But as far as the ‘thinks he has rights’ aspect: Precisely. That’s ultimately why I ended it, and I said so very clearly: “I cannot continue to be your emotional pressure valve, and if the only way to make that clear is to say that you no longer have a right to expect anything from me, then so be it.”

“What was his childhood like ? Is he overcompensating or being what he thinks is the ideal dad ? Or is he trying to win the kids’ favour especially now.”

Crappy childhood, parents were really strict religious nuts, lost one sibling to suicide, barely on speaking terms with his father, his mother just recently passed away after a long illness. I know this is a huge stress factor, and pretty much the only reason I was willing to tolerate the b.s. for so long, but really... enough is enough. Lots of people have issues with their parents; you can choose to put the past behind you, or you can drag it around all your life like Linus’s stinky, tattered security blanket.

“What do your shared kids think of the situation ? Do they understand you ? Have you put it into words to them? Do they witness the yelling ?”

Long-term, rarely. Toward the end, yes. Very. Last. Straw. Honestly, the first couple of weeks were pretty rough, but at this point they all seem to be adjusting pretty well. Our 6-year-old son is the only one who has shown any interest in spending time with him or talking on the phone beyond what I initiate.

“Maybe he always felt at the side of the action initially and he is trying to find fun with the kids. It looks like he had a sweet vision for parenting but he seems to have lost a handle on himself. There is anger or resentment bubbling up, which he hid, hoping things would work out and now he’s still angry as they are not working out. Frustrated love.

If I could suggest anything specifically for you,,it would be a 2 week yoga retreat together. If you still love him.
Maybe when the pandemic calms down..

In that case, consider sending a note, saying you’re sorry he felt sidelined at the start and maybe it set a pattern which was never your intention. As a mother you prioritised your young and it was purely instinctual.
And would he join you on a relaxing retreat.

You have nothing to lose. He will calm down. And if nothing else you will have some GOOD and recent memories, if it does end for whatever reason. Let me tell you that that is important. It will dissolve the atmosphere. There’s nothing wrong with showing you care after having been hurt. Both of you. It will help you move forward without annoyance, whether together or apart. Even if you ease out, you will have re-established a connection which will make the future easier.”

Things have indeed cooled down, we’re able to talk and spend time together without fighting, but we’re not getting back together. Ever. For sure. Because even though he’s pulled himself together enough to be kind to my face, I’m still hearing back from other people about what’s coming out the other end when I’m not around.

“What I mean is, you could even find your way back to eachother. But the pressure needs to be released (not on eachother) but through relaxation like yoga and in a neutral environment. Being there to enjoy the moment.
Towards the end, when calm has become the norm, you could discuss the dealbreakers on each side, like:
If I make a little list, I expect you to get the things.
Say you have pressure too and a vision and you need his help.
Ask him what he needs from you to feel safe and calm. What does he like to do for fun as a couple, as a family. Remind him of his happier identity.
I think if he stuck it out in a frustrating situation and in spite of hurting inside he deserves a hearing. At the end of the day he wants what you wanted so you are not so incompatible.”

Actually, this is another part of the reason I’m pretty sure it’s over for good and I’m good with that. We don’t really want the same things (other than for our kids to be happy). We don’t really have the same values or goals at all, actually. I’m sure the age difference plays in here a lot: I hadn’t really clarified these things to myself at the time we met. Valuing kindness over materialism, preferring a simple rural lifestyle: those are the values I knew we had in common right from the beginning, and I thought it was a pretty solid foundation to start with. And I always assumed there would be a fair amount of compromise/negotiation on details, but it’s always been a little lopsided in that respect and has only gotten more so in the last couple of years.

“I think you’re both out of air and you need to oxygenate this or you can’t even get a structure in place to move forward. If his anger is out of a busted vision and he loves you I can understand his frustration. Maybe that leads to yelling. It doesn’t mean it’s acceptable but I think he reached his limit some time ago.

It was very difficult for me - waiting for the change that only started to happen on my Boyf’s part only when I had had enough. It feels like I wasn’t taken seriously or others shouted louder or I was Miss Nice and I should stay in character.
I empathise with your guy’s waiting game and that he had the guts to have kids -not knowing which way it would go , but hoping for the best. He is an optimistic guy at least and I think you are right, he did have a vision.

I think the prob is that strangely (unknowingly) you both focused on eachother without letting the other know except through frustration.

What I mean is. You were waiting for his potential to come out including as Helpful Husband (and he was waiting for your potential to further unfold as Superwoman which he already saw you as. But he wanted to be inspired by your go-getting side (which appealed to his fun side because both characters show energy) and from his comment he was hoping to increase the earnings to have a better standard of living for all of you. Because he saw you as an equal.”

No. This is like, sending $100 a month to some Facebook friend in South Africa, then when things get tight I ask him to stop for a while, he says okay, then goes behind my back and does it anyway and flips the f*** out when I confront him on it. Trying to guilt-trip me into feeling like a user and a control freak, when my attitude is: If I ask you to do something you’re not okay with, TELL ME! Don’t just agree and then continue to do the opposite behind my back; that’s the worst possible response as far as I’m concerned.

“Funny as I progress I can excuse everyone, also my Boyf.
But I know what it’s like to be in a tense environment with pressure from all angles and it’s not pleasant so you must get or make your peace in some way to come out unscathed.

I told mine that I had always wanted to represent Peace.
Like the Japanese symbol for Peace is a woman beneath a roof /home. (That’s a strong cultural statement and it also means the women keep quiet!)
But in the West we don’t keep quiet, we address problems - that’s our way of keeping happy for peace in the long-term.

I just think you guys need a different environment to relax and just exist as you did at the start and take it lit from there. At whatever pace required.”

I think this last part is exactly what I’d been hoping for. But he flat-out refuses to seek professional help for his own issues (bipolar diagnosis on top of everything else), or to help us work through our joint issues— something I‘ve been asking for for almost two years. Bottom line: people don’t change unless they want to.

Wish you the best x

Likewise!