posted August 08, 2014 07:06 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
Maybe things just happen and they aren't bad or good. What if we as humans that label or believe in them that way - in terms of "good" or "bad" and it's only our labels that make it SEEM so. What if nothing is really "good" or "bad". And those are kindergarten terms.

What if things just happen? What if there is not much rhyme or reason in the way they happen too? Would that eff your whole worldveiw up so much that you couldn't cope? Or is that a possibility for you? Is your mind open enough to live in a world with no "karma"?

What if you thought what someone did was "bad', but it was actually "good" but your narrow mind didn't see it that way at the time. And you went and told all your friends that that person was going to have "bad karma"

Scary, huh?

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Yes, I agree with this.

We label events as good or bad dependent on our experiences, knowledge (or lack of), and conditioning.

posted August 08, 2014 08:28 AM            

That indicates that it is animate?
A thinking, intentional, goal-directed entity?

I thought you used the stone analogy to illustrate your belief of the nature of karma.
Sorry if I picked you up wrongly there.

posted August 08, 2014 08:31 AM            

Perhaps karma "hurts" because its nature is not understood yet?

posted August 08, 2014 07:59 PM              

“The world is full of people who have never, since childhood, met an open doorway with an open mind.”
― E.B. White

posted August 08, 2014 08:00 PM              

Warning Signs

We wove a sticky web in a dirty little game
And I was hypnotized
All your bad juju and all your weird voodoo
Made me go blind
There was nothing there but the shell of the girl
You left behind
But I wasn’t seeing, I just wasn’t seeing
Somehow I missed the warning signs

They were warning signs, warning signs, warning signs They told me you were evil but I want you for mine

Black widow spelled out your name
  That’s how I knew you lied
And when the rattlesnake hissed it in my ear
I knew you’d never get right
The raven winked his beady eye
Told me where you’d been last night
Now I started seeing, slowly I was seeing
I couldn’t miss the warning signs

posted August 08, 2014 08:05 PM              

I Remember You !

I remember you
You were full of broken bones
I tried to bring you cigarettes
You said just leave me alone
I remember you
You were locked in a padded room
I tried to teach you solitaire
You just hollered at the moon
I remember you
I remember you

I remember you
We were Bonnie and Clyde
We thought we’d go down in history
I guess we changed our minds
You’re a hundred worlds away now
I’m sure it’s for the best
You’re practically a stranger now
But you stand out from the rest
‘Cause I remember you ‘Cause

I remember you
You told the stories of your scars
We kept each other’s secrets
And slept in empty cars

I remember you I showed you how to kiss
I let you shoot my hats off
‘Cause I knew you wouldn’t miss
And I remember you
I remember you

posted August 08, 2014 08:08 PM              

Reckless

You drive me wild
Like a crazy child
You leave me breathless
You don’t pay me no mind
It’s all you all the time
You’re selfish

My heart isn’t safe
With you at the wheel
You don’t care if it breaks
You don’t care how I feel
You better watch the next turn
We’re gonna crash and burn
You’re reckless

You said you loved me the best
Then you just up and left
Darlin’ you’re senseless
You’re a truck with no brakes
A semi on skates
Baby you’re restless

posted August 08, 2014 11:21 PM              

Queen of the Minor Key

The day I was born a gypsy looked at me
She told my mama she could easily see
just how bright my future would be
For I was gonna be royalty

No crown will sit on her poor head
A barstool will be her throne she said
  she said Instead of riches and finery
She’ll have a wealth of sad songs and whiskey

She’ll be the queen, the queen, the queen,
The queen of the minor key

And so you see I play the part
Before empty glasses and broken hearts
You’re in the right court if blue’s what you need But if it’s sunshine you’re after don’t bother me

I’m the queen, the queen, the queen,
The queen of the minor key

I’m the queen of lonely tunes,
The queen of the high shelf booze
The queen of melancholy
Queen of the minor key

posted August 09, 2014 12:36 AM            

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Originally posted by rajji:

Voix, we all have been victims of emotional manipulation.Could you specify which one of these enlisted techniques were you a likely target of?

Positive reinforcement: Praise, flattery, adoration, attention, affection, gifts, superficial sympathy (crocodile tears), superficial charm, recognition, appreciation, intense sex, and declarations of once-in-a-lifetime love.

Intermittent reinforcement: This is a very effective manipulation tactic, one abusers use to great effect. Intermittent reinforcement occurs when your relationship goes from nonstop positive reinforcement to only getting attention, appreciation, praise, adoration, declarations of love, etc. once in a while, on a random basis. This will create a climate of doubt, fear and anxiety, while compelling you to persist

Negative reinforcement: The manipulator stops performing a negative behavior (such as giving you the silent treatment) when you comply with his demands.

Not allowing negative emotion: The victim is typically chastised for emotional behavior. The focus is put on the emotional upset itself, not the cause behind it

Indirect aggressive abuse: Name-calling is direct and obvious, but an underhanded way to make it much less obvious is to drop the angry tone of voice that usually accompanies it, and disguise the insult as teaching, helping, giving advice, or offering solutions.

Manipulators share intimate information about themselves, their lives and families early on to create a false sense of intimacy.

Triangulation:

Blaming the victim: This tactic is a powerful means of putting the victim on the defense while simultaneously masking the aggressive intent of the abuser.

The manipulator will make carefully chosen insinuating comments to evoke an uncomfortable emotional response or even several responses at once.

Empty words: The abuser can turn on the charm and tell you exactly what you want to hear: “I love you,” “you’re so special to me,” “you’re so important to me,” etc. The problem is they are just words, backed up by nothing.

Denying/ Invalidating reality: Invalidating distorts or undermines the victim’s perceptions of their world. Invalidating occurs when the abuser refuses or will not acknowledge reality.

Gaslighting: An especially frustrating manipulation tactic where you know you heard him say something or saw him do something but when you confront him, he simply denies it

Minimizing: The manipulator will tell you you’re making a big deal out of nothing or that you’re “exaggerating” when you confront him with something he’s done.

Withholding: Includes refusing to communicate, refusing to listen, and using emotional and/or physical withdrawal as punishment. This is commonly called the “silent treatment.”

Lying: It’s often difficult to know when someone’s lying, but psychopaths are pathological liars who will say anything to get what they want. You may notice they lie so much they can’t keep the details straight.

Projecting the Blame: Nothing is ever a psychopath’s fault, and he will always find some crafty way to find a scapegoat.

Diversion and Evasion: When you ask the manipulator a question, instead of answering it he may use diversion (steering the conversation to another topic) or evasion (giving an irrelevant, vague and often rambling response).

Selective forgetting: The manipulator pretends he forgot something important he once said. If you feel the need to use a tape recorder when speaking with someone, covert emotional manipulation is at play.

Refusing to take responsibility for his behavior, for the relationship or for your reactions to it. He somehow makes you responsible instead.

Attempts to turn the tables and make you look like the abuser: These skilled manipulators have an arsenal of tactics at their disposal, and they will be pushing as many buttons as possible to get you to lose control. They can inflict so much psychological warfare and make you suppress so much emotion that you can be backed into an emotional corner. When this happens, the intense frustration you feel, but are not allowed to express through normal communication, will cause you to blow up in a reaction of self-defense. Emotional reactions in self-defense to an abusive situation do not make you an abuser.

Brandishing Anger: The manipulator will put on an act of intense anger for the purpose of shocking you into submission. This is also called ‘Traumatic one-trial learning,’ because it will quickly train you to avoid confronting, upsetting or contradicting your abuser.

Diminishing and belittling your opinions and ideas either verbally or non-verbally, by using eye-rolls, scoffs, smug smiles, etc.

Putting you on the defensive: Most of the covert tactics listed here will put you on the defensive, meaning that they cause you to react in a defensive manner. These covert manipulation tactics trigger us to react emotionally instead of responding rationally.

Trance: This is a very powerful manipulation tool in a psychopath’s arsenal, and it is related to charm. The technique of trance induction comes naturally to the psychopath, and he mesmerizes his victim to gain emotional control. Hypnosis and trance are the “attraction heat, attachment magnet and bonding glue
Messages and experiences during trance states (during which you are hyper-focused on him) become fixed in the psyche and are especially persistent.

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ive had all these done to me. how could someone do these things and why. and to keep doing them. a group of old men actually. to help me find god. i say fu every time because its disgusting really for them to do it as a group even if they threaten me further cos its low and cowardly

id rather be alone and resent it than ever accept it

posted August 09, 2014 01:55 AM              

"id rather be alone and resent it than ever accept it"

You are quite right!

The Third Temptation

“Again the devil taketh Him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them:

“And saith unto Him, All these will I give Thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship Me.

“Then saith Jesus unto him, Away with you, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.” Matt 4:8-10

Satan was tempting Christ to “save the world” in an easier, far less humiliating way than death on a cross. Satan was offering the Lord a “Quick Fix.” If Jesus would just bow down to Satan He would not have to go through the severe beating and blood loss, the crown of thorns on His head, being nailed to the cross as a common criminal, being ridiculed and abused by the Roman soldiers, or the derision and mockery of the crowd. Jesus would not have to die!

But the price for Christ would be - to sell His soul to the devil – and lose the authority to save the world. It would appear to be a benefit for the short term, but in the long term it would be a complete failure.

posted August 09, 2014 10:53 AM            

maybe jesus just had a victim complex

posted August 09, 2014 07:18 PM              

Sometimes you have to play the part of 'devils advocate' in order to understand its dark powers.
Once you do play your part your conscience will definitely know that illusions and delusions are the same
lie. However, The only price you can pay for playing that part is your shell-the body.
Your conscience does not guard your body.They repel each other!Guilty Conscience pricks the mind.
Once you know the game of the devil-You become a caged animal ensnared in your physical mind and body while the conscience tries to escape it- seeks liberation.
It is maddening to say the least.
Its High time, You ought to Know this- THE SECRET LANGUAGE OF EMOTIONS

quote:

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· Consciousness and the physical body are two separate and distinct things,

· Existence of consciousness is MULTI-DIMENSIONAL and that

· The physical mind is limited in its ability to comprehend all the factors that make up the Reality in which we live, which is not always the Reality we perceive and of which we are aware.

All consciousnesses on this level, with the exception of a few, are trapped in a cocoon of IGNORANCE

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posted August 09, 2014 08:16 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by rajji:
"maybe jesus just had a victim complex"

Sometimes you have to play the part of 'devils advocate' in order to understand its dark powers.
Once you do play your part your conscience will definitely know that illusions and delusions are the same
lie. However, The only price you can pay for playing that part is your shell-the body.
Your conscience does not guard your body.They repel each other!Guilty Conscience pricks the mind.
Once you know the game of the devil-You become a caged animal ensnared in your physical mind and body while the conscience tries to escape it- seeks liberation.
It is maddening to say the least.
Its High time, You ought to Know this- THE SECRET LANGUAGE OF EMOTIONS

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Are you saying having a conscience is what assists evil because it provokes self-rebuttal?

But is also what allows ultimately to transcend evil?

posted August 11, 2014 02:53 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by rajji:

Voix, we all have been victims of emotional manipulation.Could you specify which one of these enlisted techniques were you a likely target of?

Positive reinforcement: Praise, flattery, adoration, attention, affection, gifts, superficial sympathy (crocodile tears), superficial charm, recognition, appreciation, intense sex, and declarations of once-in-a-lifetime love.

Intermittent reinforcement: This is a very effective manipulation tactic, one abusers use to great effect. Intermittent reinforcement occurs when your relationship goes from nonstop positive reinforcement to only getting attention, appreciation, praise, adoration, declarations of love, etc. once in a while, on a random basis. This will create a climate of doubt, fear and anxiety, while compelling you to persist

Negative reinforcement: The manipulator stops performing a negative behavior (such as giving you the silent treatment) when you comply with his demands.

Not allowing negative emotion: The victim is typically chastised for emotional behavior. The focus is put on the emotional upset itself, not the cause behind it

Indirect aggressive abuse: Name-calling is direct and obvious, but an underhanded way to make it much less obvious is to drop the angry tone of voice that usually accompanies it, and disguise the insult as teaching, helping, giving advice, or offering solutions.

Manipulators share intimate information about themselves, their lives and families early on to create a false sense of intimacy.

Triangulation:

Blaming the victim: This tactic is a powerful means of putting the victim on the defense while simultaneously masking the aggressive intent of the abuser.

The manipulator will make carefully chosen insinuating comments to evoke an uncomfortable emotional response or even several responses at once.

Empty words: The abuser can turn on the charm and tell you exactly what you want to hear: “I love you,” “you’re so special to me,” “you’re so important to me,” etc. The problem is they are just words, backed up by nothing.

Denying/ Invalidating reality: Invalidating distorts or undermines the victim’s perceptions of their world. Invalidating occurs when the abuser refuses or will not acknowledge reality.

Gaslighting: An especially frustrating manipulation tactic where you know you heard him say something or saw him do something but when you confront him, he simply denies it

Minimizing: The manipulator will tell you you’re making a big deal out of nothing or that you’re “exaggerating” when you confront him with something he’s done.

Withholding: Includes refusing to communicate, refusing to listen, and using emotional and/or physical withdrawal as punishment. This is commonly called the “silent treatment.”

Lying: It’s often difficult to know when someone’s lying, but psychopaths are pathological liars who will say anything to get what they want. You may notice they lie so much they can’t keep the details straight.

Projecting the Blame: Nothing is ever a psychopath’s fault, and he will always find some crafty way to find a scapegoat.

Diversion and Evasion: When you ask the manipulator a question, instead of answering it he may use diversion (steering the conversation to another topic) or evasion (giving an irrelevant, vague and often rambling response).

Selective forgetting: The manipulator pretends he forgot something important he once said. If you feel the need to use a tape recorder when speaking with someone, covert emotional manipulation is at play.

Refusing to take responsibility for his behavior, for the relationship or for your reactions to it. He somehow makes you responsible instead.

Attempts to turn the tables and make you look like the abuser: These skilled manipulators have an arsenal of tactics at their disposal, and they will be pushing as many buttons as possible to get you to lose control. They can inflict so much psychological warfare and make you suppress so much emotion that you can be backed into an emotional corner. When this happens, the intense frustration you feel, but are not allowed to express through normal communication, will cause you to blow up in a reaction of self-defense. Emotional reactions in self-defense to an abusive situation do not make you an abuser.

Brandishing Anger: The manipulator will put on an act of intense anger for the purpose of shocking you into submission. This is also called ‘Traumatic one-trial learning,’ because it will quickly train you to avoid confronting, upsetting or contradicting your abuser.

Diminishing and belittling your opinions and ideas either verbally or non-verbally, by using eye-rolls, scoffs, smug smiles, etc.

Putting you on the defensive: Most of the covert tactics listed here will put you on the defensive, meaning that they cause you to react in a defensive manner. These covert manipulation tactics trigger us to react emotionally instead of responding rationally.

Trance: This is a very powerful manipulation tool in a psychopath’s arsenal, and it is related to charm. The technique of trance induction comes naturally to the psychopath, and he mesmerizes his victim to gain emotional control. Hypnosis and trance are the “attraction heat, attachment magnet and bonding glue
Messages and experiences during trance states (during which you are hyper-focused on him) become fixed in the psyche and are especially persistent.

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