posted November 02, 2023 02:52 PM            

What if the, so called, "Mandela Effect" is a type of propaganda to cover up time travel experiments? It would mean that time travel can change things but fails miserably when it comes to changing the memory of how things originally were, creating a need to convince people that their aggregate recollections of things are in error.

posted November 02, 2023 06:38 PM            

I've experienced this myself. And if some powerful visionary and dream experiences I've had involving parallel worlds are true, it could be worse than now...much better as well, but still (for now) one of the better time lanes, despite all. (Though sometimes that's a matter of perspective based on how you were raised.)

Your thought reminded me of PKD, a popular (now dead) scifi author. This is just a tiny bit about how The Empire Never Ended...and he believed that the Axis powers won WW2, but some accident or event caused time to change where the Allies won. At least one of his books was the dystopian novel of the US under Japanese and Nazi occupation (which other books and video games expanded on)...heh, the resistance in Roswell, from the classic video game Wolfenstein (and worth noting that if there is engineered time travel, distortion of gravity would be a likely component of it).

posted November 03, 2023 10:03 AM            

Thank you for the share.

What prompted my thoughts about this subject is the Mandela Effect associated with the "Fruit of the Loom" logo. Many people remember it with a cornucopia. While that can be attributed to this or that, explanations fail to explain why the designer of the logo remembers drawing it with a cornucopia.

If travel to parallel dimensions do not cause any gravitational disturbance. Why should time travel? I am not referring to mechanical devices. Just the heightened frequency of a human being to be able to physically travel, back or forth, through time.

posted November 03, 2023 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Pathseeker:
If travel to parallel dimensions do not cause any gravitational disturbance

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Why do you say this?

Every paranormal account I heard of where it sounded as if one slipped into a presumably parallel world recorded compasses going out or acting crazy, among other EMP effects (assuming any such devices were present).

Of course it's all speculation. Which I presume this is what you are asking for (just inspiration and thoughts) rather than a rhetorical question. If you think you have the answers then please say so.

But if it is hypothetical, and just something simple like a logo, well I'm not sure. I do know that if people are told something happened enough times when it didn't, they'll start to remember it that way.

I recall reading of one guy subject to an interrogation technique (illegal in most western nations today save the USA) in which a man was convinced he'd murdered someone by the time the police wrung him out with standard brainwashing for 3 days. Even after proof positive that he could not have done it AND finding the one who did, he had to go to therapy because he remembered killing the person.

Memory is not like a video camera. It's fluid, and subject to even subtle outside (as well as internal biases, survival, and such) influences. Sometimes it's downright mystifying, especially when say a bump on the head causes someone to gain skills rather than lose them, speak a different accent, even change their sexual orientation, and so on.

Experiments using magnetic devices on the brain caused things like a finger to twitch. Despite that the machine did it by electrically stimulating the brain, most of the time they thought they did it themselves.

posted November 03, 2023 07:16 PM            

PKD is definitely closer to what could be the cause, that is... a temporary bleed of one reality into another (though in Phil's case, more or less localized to his own brain/perception). But there is also the possibility of it being more like a Schrödinger Effect combined with the idea of a 'Neurolinguistic Virus'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat

Neurolinguistics is the study of how language is represented in the brain: that is, how and where our brains store our knowledge of the language (or languages) that we speak, understand, read, and write, what happens in our brains as we acquire that knowledge, and what happens as we use it in our everyday lives.

Say for example, the Fruit of The Loom Logo was originally the Cornucopia, but for some reason (arbitrary or contrived) a % of people looking at that same Logo (factoring in the Schrödinger Effect) have reality collapse in a way to where they see it differently, and they propagate their version of reality as true to them... because it is!

This itself would say alot about the nature of 'Objective Reality' which is definitely up in the air the deeper you look into Quantum Mechanics and Holographic Universe Theory... which does loop back around to ideas put forth by PKD, even so far as the idea of how the Axis won WW2.

@PJ – Thanks for the PKD Links, that site is wild and been years since I read stuff from their archives.

posted November 28, 2023 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by ballerina:
If you killed his parents, your friend would not exist, he would disappear in the here and now because he was never born!?

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posted November 28, 2023 03:06 PM            

In DARK, they go back and forth
through time in increments of
33 years...

posted November 28, 2023 08:09 PM            

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Originally posted by ballerina:
Most confusing...in the new timeline,
what would his birth certificate say?
Or, would he have to create a new
identity?
Have you seen that show DARK, on Netfix?

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I started to watch that six years ago, I think. How has it been that long?

I didn't finish, but I keep meaning to start over, because I've seen comments on it over the years.

posted November 30, 2023 12:36 AM            

teasel
Time sure seems to be going by
more quickly.
I just started watching DARK,
one of those shows you really
need to pay attention to the
details...