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From: The Boundless
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posted August 31, 2004 08:55 AM         

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Not sure what you mean by "passive smoking."
Do you mean "second hand smoke"--breathing in the smoke from another person's cigarette?

Many experts agree that second hand smoke is even more dangerous than smoking, with claims like these:

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Two thirds of smoke from a cigarette is not inhaled by the smoker, but enters the air around the smoker.
Second-hand smoke has at least twice the nicotine and tar as the smoke inhaled by the smoker.
Regular exposure to second-hand smoke increases the chances of contracting lung disease by 25% and heart disease by 10%.
Second-hand smoke aggravates symptoms in people with allergies and asthma, and can cause eye, nose and throat irritations, headaches, dizziness, nausea, coughing and wheezing in otherwise healthy people

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posted August 31, 2004 10:09 AM         

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Linda felt that second hand smoke wasn't that harmful (more bothersome than harmful--like a vegan smelling cooked meat). Anyway, wouldn't the smoker also be subjected to the same second hand smoke?

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posted August 31, 2004 10:45 AM         

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Sure Randall, the smoker would be exposed...but then it's still his 1st hand smoke, isn't it?

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posted August 31, 2004 12:41 PM         

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Thanks for the reply Trillian. I have to say I'm not convinced!

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posted August 31, 2004 05:38 PM         

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I'm mainly replying to the "experts" who say that second-hand smoke is worse than first hand. How could that be measured, since the smoker gets both?

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From: Douglas, AZ. USA
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posted September 02, 2004 05:15 PM         

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Well all,
Today I stopped smoking. With the help of a homeopathic mouth spray. It was suggested to my mom by her chiropractor. It's been 4 hours and I'm doing OK. The first thing I noticed was the heavyness on my chest was relieved. I'm starting to take full breaths!
The spray is offered by Bio King. It's called Smoke Control. It costs around 12.00.
Look under your search engine under Bio King.
Good Luck!!!

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posted September 02, 2004 08:03 PM         

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Congratulations Philbird!! All down to this lil' bottle eh? How long did you use it before it took effect? Have you been using it over the 4 years & what does it taste like? Better than cig smoke I presume. So many questions

Ingrediants; Arsenicum Album · Caladium Seguinum · Carbolicum Acidum · Daphne Indica · Eugenia Jambosa · Kali Phosphoricum · Lobelia Inflata · Nicotinum · Nux Vomica · Plantago Major · Saccharum Officinale · Staphysagria · Tabacum · Thuja Occidentalis

Wish I knew what they all were!

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posted September 02, 2004 10:55 PM         

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I smoked for about seven years. I used patches to help quit. I took a video of myself smoking a few weeks before I truly quit for my last time. I might upload the video sometime if anyones interested :confosed: It's kinda boring but it show really what you're doing when you smoke. Just sitting there, puffing away. I was so much a smoker, but am eternally glad now that I can save and breathe fresh air. It really is possible to quit, just difficult.

Best of Love and Luck,
Dean.

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posted September 03, 2004 08:39 AM         

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Hi Dean - congratulations! So patches work, eh? I'd be interested in seeing that video if you can post it

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posted September 03, 2004 09:52 AM         

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Good luck Philly, keep with it. I recall reading somewhere that it takes thirty days to rid your body of nicotine, so don't give up.
You'll be so glad you did, it will be the best present you'll have ever given yourself.

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posted September 03, 2004 11:58 AM         

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Sheaa!
Four years? Are you nuts! I started using it yesterday after I had a smoke, it works instantly. Especially for the anxiety of wanting a smoke. I hear 21 days is about the time it takes to kick the habit...We shall see.

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posted September 03, 2004 12:43 PM         

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Oh yeah - geez I must've been soo tired when I read that, I knew I'd missed something! Best o'luck sweetie

You're right Trillian - Toxin free days, here I come! (eventually)

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posted September 04, 2004 06:29 PM         

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This is WAY late...

Hubby and I used Zyban to quit smoking. Worked alright.. I suppose. We both smoke again now.

The thing I wanted to post about is my hubby's reaction to Zyban.

He had an anaphylactic reaction to it. Was sooooo scary. His BP bottomed out, hands swelled to THREE times their normal size, temp dropped really low. I finally MADE him go to the ER when his TONGUE started to swell.

Probably one of the most frightening experiences of my life.

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posted September 05, 2004 02:20 PM         

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Oh my - I'm sorry to hear that Dani

Did they find the culprit ingrediant(s)?

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posted September 05, 2004 03:16 PM         

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No. He's allergic to EVERYTHING.

Almonds, peaches, carrots, bell peppers, apples, plums, all nuts but cashews, soy... I could go on for days

It's funny you call me Dani The only people who really ever call me that are people who've know me for a very long time. Wonderful old friends, and family. I consider you both

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posted September 05, 2004 07:48 PM         

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And you.. the past, present & future are one

Love to Mr Sparkle too, I'm glad he recovered Whenever I consider giving up - I think on this thread & everyone's efforts!

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posted September 05, 2004 10:45 PM         

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I Cheated a few times! OOOPPPPSSSS!

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posted September 06, 2004 06:33 AM         

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posted October 05, 2004 01:28 PM         

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Just so you know, I have a patch on my arm. I am feeling like.. What the heck.. I have talked about it enough, I am the last one left in any group in my life, who still smokes.. and why? Addiction. Bottom line. Not a good enough reason. Let's see about this Scorpio will power I hear so much about.... so, don't congratulate me yet.. I still feel like running to the store...... but I haven't. I have to concentrate on the *haven't*.
Jittery...... tomorrow I will be a grumpy bi-atch. But I am too busy to smoke anyway.. I need to preserve my voice for the stage, my skin for my looks, and my health for my future. I am too old to make excuses anymore.
PLease send me light and legitimate reasons.. in a few hours, the addicted part of me will make up reasons that sound well.. reasonable, when I am jonesing..... But they are lies and weak.

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posted October 05, 2004 09:11 PM         

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This suggestion may not appeal to you...because of your beliefs...or because it seems just too simple to be effective...but....PRAY!
My Mom smoked all of her life and said that she had no desire to give up smoking...I prayed that she would become willing to quit, and that it would be ez. I was concerned for a bad effect from 50 years of smoking. It worked...she called me and told me she quit...and she has never started again. I wasn't a heavy smoker, and I didn't smoke that long...but I was able to quit easily too. My experience was that it didn't take willpower...it just took waiting for the desire to just leave. I believe that it happens by spiritual power. Good luck.

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posted October 06, 2004 06:06 PM         

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******sigh*******

*whimper*

This hurts...why, why, why?????

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posted October 07, 2004 03:24 AM         

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OK, I finally did it. Here you may download a video of me having one of my last cigs. http://www.megspace.com/science/porsche911/smoko20030701.wmv

I don't really know what this is trying to prove, but I thought it serves something.

I hope you enjoy. I also happened to cut a 17,152 kbyte file into a 939 kbyte file which I'm proud of. I found out recently that my web site only allows uploads up to 1.5 Mbytes.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

ps. Pixel, I K-Now you can do it! The question really is when? Best of Luck...

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posted October 07, 2004 07:03 AM         

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Enjoyed the vid.

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posted October 07, 2004 10:39 AM         

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pixlepixie
I think that perhaps part of the reason this is so hard is that cigarette smoking is not only an addiction, but a habit as well. I "quit" smoking a while ago, that is, I got over my addiction to it. I don't physically feel the need to have a cigarette anymore. That was the easiest part for me ... I just refused to smoke at all, fought every urge, and plainly made my conscious mind dislike it by thinking of it as gross and nasty. This was by no means an easy feat seeing as how my husband still smokes. However, the habit of smoking is much harder to break for me. I was the "coffee and a cigarette" person in the morning and the "cigarette after dinner" person at night. A lot of my best memories include smoking a cigarette, not as the focus of my activity, but as something I enjoyed during a good time. I find the habit to creep up on me most during the Fall when the first cold fronts start sweeping by. See, I simply love Autumn and Halloween and such and always have. This has always been a very social time for me and most of my social situations in the past involved being around smokers and enjoying the nasty little cancer sticks myself. So, even though I don't feel the need to smoke, I still want to when I wake up and there's a chill in the air and I'm making a cup of coffee. Even still, after a hearty dinner I sometimes think that it would be nice to have a cigarette, you know, to relax after such a great meal. Sigh.
I guess I'm trying to say that you should take your time with the habitual aspect of it, regardless of how you approach the physical addiction. I found it easy to quit "cold-turkey" simply because I've never been overly comfortable with "in-the-middle-of-something" phases, especially when it's something I'm trying to overcome. My husband, on the other hand, is quite comfortable with that kind of phase and has been slowly working towards quitting ... as in, over the course of a year he's gone from smoking over a pack a day to smoking a pack every 3 or 4 days. That's a huge accomplishment for him, he's proud of himself and I'm proud, too. This has proven to him that he can do it because he has a year's worth of success to prove it.
So don't be so hard on yourself. Try to address it in sections. Thus, work on the addiction first ... once you get over the jittery, snappy days and mood swings, which I promise won't last as long as you might fear, then you can work on releasing the habit of it.
I wish you the best of luck, and I know you can do it.

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posted October 07, 2004 08:06 PM         

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Yes, tis hard but not impossible. I used to smoke about 30 a day. I could never really cut down. I either smoked every chance I got, or would live through torture of trying to resist. But, as they say, what you resist persists. There really is nothing wrong with smoking - as Randall says. The more you worry about it, the more damage you're doing. I think it'd be better to relax and quit when you're ready than to stress about it endlessly. But each to their own. I think it's a logical conclusion for every one that there are many reasons to quit, but just don't stress about it.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

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