posted October 10, 2012 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
People, or humanity will continue to search for something to believe in outside of themselves until they realize, they hold within them all the belief they need, which is an unwavering belief in themselves and hopefully the human evolutionary potential. Are we as a human race that insecure? There is a huge universe outside of the walls of this planet that we can't even begin to fathom, we're not alone, it's never been just us in the universe. Yet we spend our days trying to find salvation in the form of a false deity or corrupt spiritual belief system. We vehemently stand by our beliefs, without any proof besides ancient texts that might as well be fantasy fiction laced with hypocrisy. And we never once turn to ourselves for the answers we so desperately seek.

How about we stop the man/woman hunt for false prophets. You don't need religion to bring people together, or to unite humanity, all you need is an understanding of yourself as a human being and your place in the universe. It's not up to some spiritual or religious doctrine to outline how we should live with one another. Unity cuts through biases, through adversity and distinctions. It's easy to come together because of shared beliefs in some corrupt belief system, but it takes sacrifice and acceptance to unite with others who are nothing like you. That's unity and that's love. As a human race we haven't reached that yet, and we are miles away from achieving it, if we ever do. Because humanity has been completely brain washed with its compulsive dependency on orthodoxy and religion. It's shameful to behold, really. Get a grip Planet Earth, and wake up!

To answer Gabby's original question, no one knows if the Age of Aquarius will bring the end to organized religion or any form of religion for that matter, however it will bring a great deal of change. And change is always a good thing. These blanket statements of saying there will always be religion hold no substance, we barely understand ourselves as human beings yet we think we have the power to accurately predict the direction of our evolution. All we know is what we've done, and religion has played a horrific role in the history of this planet. I'd be elated to see the extinction of all forms of religion as well as religious practices and customs and I'd welcome the adaption of more independent thinking and universally accepting new age societies. But that's just me.

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posted October 11, 2012 01:14 AM              

It could be. I agree that humans are definitely afraid of something. I'll jump in with my own hypothesis. It could be the unknown, not knowing what's out there, being insecure as highly complex beings that can't seem to crack the existence puzzle. Humans definitely need a security blanket like you said out of fear of something (who knows), so they find security in restrictive practices and philosophies such as in religions. I think humans abused the lack of knowledge in relation to the unknown to control and manipulate one another, for all kinds of purposes including, power, control, greed etc.

But I understand your perspective when it comes to the possibility of a God, I just don't know if I agree with it. The idea of there being a God/Deity is very connected to all kinds of orthodox religious belief systems and even new age philosophies. Which just could be a reflection of the impact of religion on a cultural level in our society. But I wonder why does there need to be a God? Why does something specific have to be in control of everything in existence? Again why are humans so frightened of the idea that we play more of a role then we think in this cosmic game called life. Meaning we are measured by our own actions, not by some hierarchal court of Gods.

Ironically, we don't know much if anything when it comes to the supernatural, because of subjectivity! Yes we have ancestors, and yes there maybe beings of a possibly supernatural/otherworldly nature in the far reaches of outer space or even surrounding us. But, why do we continue to claim as fact what we're just not sure of. All of our experiences with the supernatural and the natural are subjective. It's interesting you're mentioning of a God in the above statement, it's as though the existence of deity such as a God is commonplace. For me though, there is no God, there is energy and there are animals, human beings, plants, insects and all kinds of universal beings that exist beyond the parameters of this planet that are alien to us. As humans we should want to expand the boundaries of our minds, however religion being a fixed belief philosophy narrows those walls, and in a sense cages our ability to see outside of ourselves and beyond.

posted October 11, 2012 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
Gabby,

It could be. I agree that humans are definitely afraid of something. I'll jump in with my own hypothesis. It could be the unknown, not knowing what's out there, being insecure as highly complex beings that can't seem to crack the existence puzzle. Humans definitely need a security blanket like you said out of fear of something (who knows), so they find security in restrictive practices and philosophies such as in religions. I think humans abused the lack of knowledge in relation to the unknown to control and manipulate one another, for all kinds of purposes including, power, control, greed etc.

But I understand your perspective when it comes to the possibility of a God, I just don't know if I agree with it. The idea of there being a God/Deity is very connected to all kinds of orthodox religious belief systems and even new age philosophies. Which just could be a reflection of the impact of religion on a cultural level in our society. But I wonder why does there need to be a God? Why does something specific have to be in control of everything in existence? Again why are humans so frightened of the idea that we play more of a role then we think in this cosmic game called life. Meaning we are measured by our own actions, not by some hierarchal court of Gods.

Ironically, we don't know much if anything when it comes to the supernatural, because of subjectivity! Yes we have ancestors, and yes there maybe beings of a possibly supernatural/otherworldly nature in the far reaches of outer space or even surrounding us. But, why do we continue to claim as fact what we're just not sure of. All of our experiences with the supernatural and the natural are subjective. It's interesting you're mentioning of a God in the above statement, it's as though the existence of deity such as a God is commonplace. For me though, there is no God, there is energy and there are animals, human beings, plants, insects and all kinds of universal beings that exist beyond the parameters of this planet that are alien to us. As humans we should want to expand the boundaries of our minds, however religion being a fixed belief philosophy narrows those walls, and in a sense cages our ability to see outside of ourselves and beyond.

But this is what's so fun about theorizing, anything is possible!

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posted October 11, 2012 06:12 PM            

Thank you Joan very much for adding your thoughts, and thank you Gabby for initiating the toppic. I concur, not sure exactly what to call the creative source (God? Goddess? Energy?) but it does seem there is so much we do not yet learn.

Science itself is constantly changing, and is not able to answer everything. Questions of our purpose and why we exist are interesting to ponder. Perhaps the one, God or what have you, is merely a reflection of ourselves? As above so below?

posted October 12, 2012 04:34 AM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
People, or humanity will continue to search for something to believe in outside of themselves until they realize, they hold within them all the belief they need, which is an unwavering belief in themselves and hopefully the human evolutionary potential. Are we as a human race that insecure? There is a huge universe outside of the walls of this planet that we can't even begin to fathom, we're not alone, it's never been just us in the universe. Yet we spend our days trying to find salvation in the form of a false deity or corrupt spiritual belief system. We vehemently stand by our beliefs, without any proof besides ancient texts that might as well be fantasy fiction laced with hypocrisy. And we never once turn to ourselves for the answers we so desperately seek.

How about we stop the man/woman hunt for false prophets. You don't need religion to bring people together, or to unite humanity, all you need is an understanding of yourself as a human being and your place in the universe. It's not up to some spiritual or religious doctrine to outline how we should live with one another. Unity cuts through biases, through adversity and distinctions. It's easy to come together because of shared beliefs in some corrupt belief system, but it takes sacrifice and acceptance to unite with others who are nothing like you. That's unity and that's love. As a human race we haven't reached that yet, and we are miles away from achieving it, if we ever do. Because humanity has been completely brain washed with its compulsive dependency on orthodoxy and religion. It's shameful to behold, really. Get a grip Planet Earth, and wake up!

To answer Gabby's original question, no one knows if the Age of Aquarius will bring the end to organized religion or any form of religion for that matter, however it will bring a great deal of change. And change is always a good thing. These blanket statements of saying there will always be religion hold no substance, we barely understand ourselves as human beings yet we think we have the power to accurately predict the direction of our evolution. All we know is what we've done, and religion has played a horrific role in the history of this planet. I'd be elated to see the extinction of all forms of religion as well as religious practices and customs and I'd welcome the adaption of more independent thinking and universally accepting new age societies. But that's just me.

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posted October 12, 2012 01:15 PM            

Got to love this forum, even with disagreements, all are usually very civil and open to listening different points of view. Thrilled to be here and on the facebook page =)

posted October 18, 2012 12:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Venus:
one more thing, I’m not sure if this is relevant to our discussion but i have this loud atheist friend, and im cool with him being an atheist, but i find it humorous and somewhat ridiculous the way he promotes his "beliefs" and always attempts to trash other "beliefs". he is always using satire in a somewhat insulting manner. i have to say this is not what i believe AoA is about.

if we want social progress we should not be shallow with change. or else even atheism will become an organized religion..

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Excellent point!!! It's almost like Atheism is nothing more than the other side of religions coin!
What i find frustrating is so many atheist are very intelligent, well read, scientific but how do they miss the fact that if there isnt enough evidence to prove there is a God, because there is enough reason for some to doubt...then their isnt enuff evidence to prove their isnt a God, either, because there is reason to doubt that belief also!!

posted January 13, 2013 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixFire:
Cheers cheers to the Age of Aquarius and lindaland =)

Got to love this forum, even with disagreements, all are usually very civil and open to listening different points of view. Thrilled to be here and on the facebook page =)

Wishing you all a wonderful weekend =)

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posted April 18, 2013 12:43 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Science cannot prove or disprove there is a God...

It is said the definition of the new age and it`s arrival is when science and religion marry and complement each other (rather than divide.)

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Albert Einstein: Dogmatically Fixed Religion Conflicts with Science

It is this mythical, or rather this symbolic, content of the religious traditions which is likely to come into conflict with science. This occurs whenever this religious stock of ideas contains dogmatically fixed statements on subjects which belong in the domain of science. Thus, it is of vital importance for the preservation of true religion that such conflicts be avoided when they arise from subjects which, in fact, are not really essential for the pursuance of the religious aims.

- Albert Einstein, Religion and Science: Irreconcilable? (1948)

Albert Einstein: Concept of a Personal God is the Main Source of Conflict

...if this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him? The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God.

posted July 01, 2014 07:01 PM            

Take Jesus for example. I believe Jesus came not to prove he was God or to follow a religion like the churches after try to claim. I believe Jesus came to prove that we ALL are the manifestation of God and religion has showed where we have fallen. God is oneness...that means all that is and life. When humanity comes together in unison, then Heaven will be on Earth because Heaven is in us!

posted July 03, 2014 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
True religion is no religion. But the love of life and humanity. We as living beings forgot this. God is not some being far away, God is the oneness of life. I say oneness to describe everything, even inventions! Technology has been a great way to constructively increase the higher vibrations of life for all. I believe every religion is right and wrong at the same time..

Take Jesus for example. I believe Jesus came not to prove he was God or to follow a religion like the churches after try to claim. I believe Jesus came to prove that we ALL are the manifestation of God and religion has showed where we have fallen. God is oneness...that means all that is and life. When humanity comes together in unison, then Heaven will be on Earth because Heaven is in us!

Aquarius rising..

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