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Topic: Age of Aquarius, do you feel this will bring the end of organized religion?
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 10, 2012 11:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by NativelyJoan: People, or humanity will continue to search for something to believe in outside of themselves until they realize, they hold within them all the belief they need, which is an unwavering belief in themselves and hopefully the human evolutionary potential. Are we as a human race that insecure? There is a huge universe outside of the walls of this planet that we can't even begin to fathom, we're not alone, it's never been just us in the universe. Yet we spend our days trying to find salvation in the form of a false deity or corrupt spiritual belief system. We vehemently stand by our beliefs, without any proof besides ancient texts that might as well be fantasy fiction laced with hypocrisy. And we never once turn to ourselves for the answers we so desperately seek.How about we stop the man/woman hunt for false prophets. You don't need religion to bring people together, or to unite humanity, all you need is an understanding of yourself as a human being and your place in the universe. It's not up to some spiritual or religious doctrine to outline how we should live with one another. Unity cuts through biases, through adversity and distinctions. It's easy to come together because of shared beliefs in some corrupt belief system, but it takes sacrifice and acceptance to unite with others who are nothing like you. That's unity and that's love. As a human race we haven't reached that yet, and we are miles away from achieving it, if we ever do. Because humanity has been completely brain washed with its compulsive dependency on orthodoxy and religion. It's shameful to behold, really. Get a grip Planet Earth, and wake up! To answer Gabby's original question, no one knows if the Age of Aquarius will bring the end to organized religion or any form of religion for that matter, however it will bring a great deal of change. And change is always a good thing. These blanket statements of saying there will always be religion hold no substance, we barely understand ourselves as human beings yet we think we have the power to accurately predict the direction of our evolution. All we know is what we've done, and religion has played a horrific role in the history of this planet. I'd be elated to see the extinction of all forms of religion as well as religious practices and customs and I'd welcome the adaption of more independent thinking and universally accepting new age societies. But that's just me.
Ive wondered if maybe religion is a manifestation of humanity's fear that they are not good enough to be loved by God, so they needed a "security blanket" here on earth, visible and within their control to make them feel like they had some control over God's love for them! They made the shots and said who God loved...i guess religion kind of takes faith out of the equation! IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan unregistered
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posted October 11, 2012 01:14 AM
Gabby, It could be. I agree that humans are definitely afraid of something. I'll jump in with my own hypothesis. It could be the unknown, not knowing what's out there, being insecure as highly complex beings that can't seem to crack the existence puzzle. Humans definitely need a security blanket like you said out of fear of something (who knows), so they find security in restrictive practices and philosophies such as in religions. I think humans abused the lack of knowledge in relation to the unknown to control and manipulate one another, for all kinds of purposes including, power, control, greed etc. But I understand your perspective when it comes to the possibility of a God, I just don't know if I agree with it. The idea of there being a God/Deity is very connected to all kinds of orthodox religious belief systems and even new age philosophies. Which just could be a reflection of the impact of religion on a cultural level in our society. But I wonder why does there need to be a God? Why does something specific have to be in control of everything in existence? Again why are humans so frightened of the idea that we play more of a role then we think in this cosmic game called life. Meaning we are measured by our own actions, not by some hierarchal court of Gods. Ironically, we don't know much if anything when it comes to the supernatural, because of subjectivity! Yes we have ancestors, and yes there maybe beings of a possibly supernatural/otherworldly nature in the far reaches of outer space or even surrounding us. But, why do we continue to claim as fact what we're just not sure of. All of our experiences with the supernatural and the natural are subjective. It's interesting you're mentioning of a God in the above statement, it's as though the existence of deity such as a God is commonplace. For me though, there is no God, there is energy and there are animals, human beings, plants, insects and all kinds of universal beings that exist beyond the parameters of this planet that are alien to us. As humans we should want to expand the boundaries of our minds, however religion being a fixed belief philosophy narrows those walls, and in a sense cages our ability to see outside of ourselves and beyond. But this is what's so fun about theorizing, anything is possible! IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 11, 2012 05:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by NativelyJoan: Gabby, It could be. I agree that humans are definitely afraid of something. I'll jump in with my own hypothesis. It could be the unknown, not knowing what's out there, being insecure as highly complex beings that can't seem to crack the existence puzzle. Humans definitely need a security blanket like you said out of fear of something (who knows), so they find security in restrictive practices and philosophies such as in religions. I think humans abused the lack of knowledge in relation to the unknown to control and manipulate one another, for all kinds of purposes including, power, control, greed etc. But I understand your perspective when it comes to the possibility of a God, I just don't know if I agree with it. The idea of there being a God/Deity is very connected to all kinds of orthodox religious belief systems and even new age philosophies. Which just could be a reflection of the impact of religion on a cultural level in our society. But I wonder why does there need to be a God? Why does something specific have to be in control of everything in existence? Again why are humans so frightened of the idea that we play more of a role then we think in this cosmic game called life. Meaning we are measured by our own actions, not by some hierarchal court of Gods. Ironically, we don't know much if anything when it comes to the supernatural, because of subjectivity! Yes we have ancestors, and yes there maybe beings of a possibly supernatural/otherworldly nature in the far reaches of outer space or even surrounding us. But, why do we continue to claim as fact what we're just not sure of. All of our experiences with the supernatural and the natural are subjective. It's interesting you're mentioning of a God in the above statement, it's as though the existence of deity such as a God is commonplace. For me though, there is no God, there is energy and there are animals, human beings, plants, insects and all kinds of universal beings that exist beyond the parameters of this planet that are alien to us. As humans we should want to expand the boundaries of our minds, however religion being a fixed belief philosophy narrows those walls, and in a sense cages our ability to see outside of ourselves and beyond. But this is what's so fun about theorizing, anything is possible!
I completely understand where you are coming from, when i refer to God, i refer to the source of life! I don't know what that source is, all i know is theres so much that shows intelligent design, thoughtful, kind and wanting to give life a chance at truly finding happiness. I realize science can't explain our source of life because that source created science so obviously is much bigger than science...but like everyone i don't have a clue! LOL But i do 100% sincerely believe we are energy, plain and simple! Supernatural things are nothing more than a manipulation of that energy or coming into contact with life in other planes of existence...nothing else! Calling that source of life "God", is very generic, i know! Its like we have taken the energy of our creator and encased his energy into a being...but thats what has happened to us, our energy has been encased in a human body so we can be in human form during life cycles...so we have done the same thing to the source of life. Its only human to put God into a body, since its in our soul and deep inside us we are aware of this cycle. Since we sense this cycle, its only human and second nature that we do it to the source that created us also! Ugh...sad but true! IP: Logged |
PhoenixFire Knowflake Posts: 1617 From: The Crossing Registered: Jun 2009
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posted October 11, 2012 06:12 PM
Joan, I love what you wrote about the power and potential within each of us. I concur 100% on energy within life, this line of thought flows very nicely with my views on magick (different topic) and respect for nature. Thank you Joan very much for adding your thoughts, and thank you Gabby for initiating the toppic. I concur, not sure exactly what to call the creative source (God? Goddess? Energy?) but it does seem there is so much we do not yet learn. Science itself is constantly changing, and is not able to answer everything. Questions of our purpose and why we exist are interesting to ponder. Perhaps the one, God or what have you, is merely a reflection of ourselves? As above so below? This thread has been one of the most interesting to follow on the forum as of late =) IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan unregistered
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posted October 11, 2012 08:08 PM
Thank you PhoenixFire, I really enjoyed hearing your input as well, you had some really great insights. I agree this was a thoroughly interesting thread to read, so good I decided to comment! Thanks for bringing up the topic Gabby. Especially with what's going on globally with extremist religious organizations committing acts of violence and what have you, it always nice to bare witness to civil discourse surrounding the place and future of religion in our world. If only we put down our weapons more often to discuss out these issues, maybe the world would be in a better state.As for what to call the energy, I guess that's up to each person. I tend to just reference this energy as the Universe which encompasses every thing in existence. I think the minute we stop trying to label everything will be the minute the truth will finally reveal itself to us. And like we've all mentioned a good starting point is admitting maybe we just don't know! Yet maybe one day will found out! IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 12, 2012 04:10 AM
Joan and PhoenixFire, and everyone who has shared... i so appreciate your responses...its hard not having anyone to share your deepest thoughts and questions, i havent been a part of this forum long, but i wish i had! I've found a group of amazing, open minded, receptive ppl to bounce thoughts off of...and isnt that the best way to learn and grow! I don't have a clue who else would ever let me "vent" my thoughts and either expound on them or help me learn how to defend them or maybe even rethink them, anyway it happens, it is a blessing! Thank you for sharing, debating, understanding, but mostly being human with me! Whatever comes of it, its always good!! ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/smile.gif) IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 12, 2012 04:34 AM
quote: Originally posted by NativelyJoan: People, or humanity will continue to search for something to believe in outside of themselves until they realize, they hold within them all the belief they need, which is an unwavering belief in themselves and hopefully the human evolutionary potential. Are we as a human race that insecure? There is a huge universe outside of the walls of this planet that we can't even begin to fathom, we're not alone, it's never been just us in the universe. Yet we spend our days trying to find salvation in the form of a false deity or corrupt spiritual belief system. We vehemently stand by our beliefs, without any proof besides ancient texts that might as well be fantasy fiction laced with hypocrisy. And we never once turn to ourselves for the answers we so desperately seek.How about we stop the man/woman hunt for false prophets. You don't need religion to bring people together, or to unite humanity, all you need is an understanding of yourself as a human being and your place in the universe. It's not up to some spiritual or religious doctrine to outline how we should live with one another. Unity cuts through biases, through adversity and distinctions. It's easy to come together because of shared beliefs in some corrupt belief system, but it takes sacrifice and acceptance to unite with others who are nothing like you. That's unity and that's love. As a human race we haven't reached that yet, and we are miles away from achieving it, if we ever do. Because humanity has been completely brain washed with its compulsive dependency on orthodoxy and religion. It's shameful to behold, really. Get a grip Planet Earth, and wake up! To answer Gabby's original question, no one knows if the Age of Aquarius will bring the end to organized religion or any form of religion for that matter, however it will bring a great deal of change. And change is always a good thing. These blanket statements of saying there will always be religion hold no substance, we barely understand ourselves as human beings yet we think we have the power to accurately predict the direction of our evolution. All we know is what we've done, and religion has played a horrific role in the history of this planet. I'd be elated to see the extinction of all forms of religion as well as religious practices and customs and I'd welcome the adaption of more independent thinking and universally accepting new age societies. But that's just me.
Absolutely...beautifully said!!! Wow!! Thank you! ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/smile.gif) IP: Logged |
Venus Moderator Posts: 1776 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted October 12, 2012 07:56 AM
let me just explain how happy and proud i am of us, having such a wonderful, and civil debate. Even with this relatively sensitive matter. here's to the age of the Aquarius!!
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PhoenixFire Knowflake Posts: 1617 From: The Crossing Registered: Jun 2009
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posted October 12, 2012 01:15 PM
Cheers cheers to the Age of Aquarius and lindaland =) Got to love this forum, even with disagreements, all are usually very civil and open to listening different points of view. Thrilled to be here and on the facebook page =) Wishing you all a wonderful weekend =)
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 14, 2012 08:56 PM
I know, ive been so impressed with everyones open minds and respect for others!! WOW! Cheers!! ![](http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/smile.gif) IP: Logged |
Venus Moderator Posts: 1776 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted October 17, 2012 09:55 AM
one more thing, I’m not sure if this is relevant to our discussion but i have this loud atheist friend, and im cool with him being an atheist, but i find it humorous and somewhat ridiculous the way he promotes his "beliefs" and always attempts to trash other "beliefs". he is always using satire in a somewhat insulting manner. i have to say this is not what i believe AoA is about.if we want social progress we should not be shallow with change. or else even atheism will become an organized religion..
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 18, 2012 12:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by Venus: one more thing, I’m not sure if this is relevant to our discussion but i have this loud atheist friend, and im cool with him being an atheist, but i find it humorous and somewhat ridiculous the way he promotes his "beliefs" and always attempts to trash other "beliefs". he is always using satire in a somewhat insulting manner. i have to say this is not what i believe AoA is about.if we want social progress we should not be shallow with change. or else even atheism will become an organized religion..
Excellent point!!! It's almost like Atheism is nothing more than the other side of religions coin! What i find frustrating is so many atheist are very intelligent, well read, scientific but how do they miss the fact that if there isnt enough evidence to prove there is a God, because there is enough reason for some to doubt...then their isnt enuff evidence to prove their isnt a God, either, because there is reason to doubt that belief also!! Science cannot prove or disprove there is a God...because God created science, science can only go so far but our source of life expands way far beyond that!! You cant deny there is a lot of evidence to support intelligent design, as seen in humanity, but that doesnt prove beyond a shadow of a doubt there is a God! Ppl's theorys about other ways we came into existence isnt proof there isnt a God either! So both groups make themselves look foolish by trying to pick a side, black or white, when the whole area is grey...its left up to us on a personal level to feel our hearts and let it guide us back to the source of life! Nobody else has an opinion that matters when its our souls looking for answers, these answers will only come from inside us, through our own hearts! I don't get why Theist or Atheist feel they need to put others down for not sharing their beliefs, isnt that much of their issue with religion to begin with?
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juniperb Moderator Posts: 11958 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 07, 2012 10:41 AM
Science cannot prove or disprove there is a God... It is said the definition of the new age and it`s arrival is when science and religion marry and complement each other (rather than divide.) IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 11958 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 13, 2013 01:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by PhoenixFire: Cheers cheers to the Age of Aquarius and lindaland =) Got to love this forum, even with disagreements, all are usually very civil and open to listening different points of view. Thrilled to be here and on the facebook page =) Wishing you all a wonderful weekend =)
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 175077 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 14, 2013 01:13 PM
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 18, 2013 12:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by juniperb: Science cannot prove or disprove there is a God... It is said the definition of the new age and it`s arrival is when science and religion marry and complement each other (rather than divide.)
Albert Einstein: Dogmatically Fixed Religion Conflicts with Science It is this mythical, or rather this symbolic, content of the religious traditions which is likely to come into conflict with science. This occurs whenever this religious stock of ideas contains dogmatically fixed statements on subjects which belong in the domain of science. Thus, it is of vital importance for the preservation of true religion that such conflicts be avoided when they arise from subjects which, in fact, are not really essential for the pursuance of the religious aims. - Albert Einstein, Religion and Science: Irreconcilable? (1948) Albert Einstein: Concept of a Personal God is the Main Source of Conflict ...if this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him? The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God. - Albert Einstein, Science and Religion (1941)
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NYCdodger Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2016
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posted July 01, 2014 07:01 PM
True religion is no religion. But the love of life and humanity. We as living beings forgot this. God is not some being far away, God is the oneness of life. I say oneness to describe everything, even inventions! Technology has been a great way to constructively increase the higher vibrations of life for all. I believe every religion is right and wrong at the same time..Take Jesus for example. I believe Jesus came not to prove he was God or to follow a religion like the churches after try to claim. I believe Jesus came to prove that we ALL are the manifestation of God and religion has showed where we have fallen. God is oneness...that means all that is and life. When humanity comes together in unison, then Heaven will be on Earth because Heaven is in us! Aquarius rising.. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8906 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 05:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by NYCdodger: True religion is no religion. But the love of life and humanity. We as living beings forgot this. God is not some being far away, God is the oneness of life. I say oneness to describe everything, even inventions! Technology has been a great way to constructively increase the higher vibrations of life for all. I believe every religion is right and wrong at the same time..Take Jesus for example. I believe Jesus came not to prove he was God or to follow a religion like the churches after try to claim. I believe Jesus came to prove that we ALL are the manifestation of God and religion has showed where we have fallen. God is oneness...that means all that is and life. When humanity comes together in unison, then Heaven will be on Earth because Heaven is in us! Aquarius rising..
Amen! Bravo NYC!!! I completely applaud everything you said!!! Amazing!! Thank you! IP: Logged |
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