posted July 08, 2013 01:43 PM            

With respect to Russia the following statements are interesting:

Q. What should be the attitude of so called capitalist nations toward Russia?

A. The greater hope of the world will come through Russia's religious development. The one nation or group which is closest in relationship with Russia may fare best during the gradual changes and the final settlement of conditions, as to the rule of the world. (February 8, 1932) 3976-10

posted July 08, 2013 02:08 PM            

I also love Cayce. A medium's trance can be dicey, it's not one I trust as a rule. But Cayce walked the straight and narrow and so kept his filter clean imo. He was a good man. There are so many bright little gems scattered about in his readings.

As the current 5th epoch revolves around Western Europe and North America, according to Anthroposophy, the 6th epoch will belong to Russia. (Theosophy, too, I believe) Specifically, spiritual sight will continue to develop, and brotherhood and unconditional love will be the call of the day. It's been said that Revelation's letter to Philadelphia is a letter to the 6th epoch and those good souls who will lead the way:

To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Heartening, I think.

posted July 11, 2013 09:09 AM            

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It's been said that Revelation's letter to Philadelphia is a letter to the 6th epoch and those good souls who will lead the way:

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It is those "good souls" who will usher in the Aquarian Age.

posted July 11, 2013 10:33 PM            

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News
World news
Russia

Russia passes law banning gay 'propaganda'

Law will make it illegal to equate straight and gay relationships and to distribute gay rights material

Russia's parliament has unanimously passed a federal law banning gay "propaganda" amid a Kremlin push to enshrine deeply conservative values that critics say has already led to a sharp increase in anti-gay violence.

The law passed 436-0 on Tuesday, with just one deputy abstaining from voting on the bill, which bans the spreading of "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations" among minors.

The law in effect makes it illegal to equate straight and gay relationships, as well as the distribution of material on gay rights. It introduces fines for individuals and media groups found guilty of breaking the law, as well as special fines for foreigners.

Minutes after passing the anti-gay legislation, the Duma also approved a new law allowing jail sentences of up to three years for "offending religious feelings", an initiative launched in the wake of the trial against the anti-Kremlin punk band ***** Riot.

The two laws were widely criticised by Russia's marginalised liberal and human rights communities and come amid a wider crackdown against independent civil activity in the country.

"I have sincere contempt for the Duma's deputies. All, including the so-called opposition. You have now brought fascism to my country," wrote Yelena Kostychenko, a journalist at the independent Novaya Gazeta newspaper.

International rights groups have called the current situation in Russia the worst human rights climate in the post-Soviet era.

The two laws vastly boost the power of the Russian Orthodox church, a religious body that professes total allegiance to the state. Putin, who often makes a show of his faith, has increasingly called upon the church to fill his own ideological vacuum following a contested presidential election last year, accompanied by unprecedented protests against him.

The case against ***** Riot – in which three members were found guilty of "hooliganism motivated by religious hatred" after performing an anti-Putin anthem inside a Moscow church – was widely seen as the launch of an ultra-conservative agenda.

Russia's anti-gay law, whose text was softened to remove explicit referrals to "homosexual propaganda", introduces fines of up to 100,000 roubles (£1,975) for individuals who have used the media or internet to promote "non-traditional relations". Organisations can be fined up to 1m roubles and closed down for up to 90 days.

The bill, which must be signed by Putin to become law, also says foreigners can be detained for up to 15 days and deported, as well as fined up to 100,000 roubles, for breaking the law.

International gay rights activists, including British campaigner Peter Tatchell and US activist Dan Choi, have regularly travelled to Russia to support the country's struggling gay rights movement.

Russian activists insisted they would not halt their work. "It was totally expected – I don't take today's decision as the end of something," said Igor Kochetkov, the head of LGBT Network, a St Petersburg-based group.

"We insist on equal rights for all and we will continue to stand up against those patriarchal values that are today being actively promoted by the church and the government. We are doing this because we think these values, these norms, don't fit into a modern society."

"The government is using these instincts – homophobia, xenophobia – to justify its policies against an independent civil society," Kochetkov said. "They are making enemies out of us – not just LGBT society, but any group in society that doesn't agree with their current politics."

Clashes broke out in front of the Russian parliament on Tuesday, as around 300 activists gathered to protest for and against the bill. Police said 20 people were detained.

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posted July 12, 2013 01:03 AM            

Even though Edgar was very Christian minded he ended up believing in reincarnation.

Shura, I have read that mediums can be negatively influenced or even have untrue misleading information.
Edgar Cayce tried to help and really believed he was doing good for all.

Thank you all for your input.

posted July 12, 2013 03:46 AM            

Not everyone who says they're a Christian is a Christian. Been thinking about antichrist and the evil activities of these Christian-extremists... I have a notion that the very antichrist spirit has piggybacked itself on these. Think about it... what a PERFECT place to "hide"? It has overshadowed the church for a long time... creeping in and creeping up. Happened sooo subtley that NO one in status quo would believe it. The Emperor's Clothes was one of my favorite fairy tales... the emperor was deceived, and the people went along with it just to be safe.

You are quite on when you say the words you say, as it pertains to that sect of 'christians'... I will back you up on that, always. And you KNOW I have in the past here at LL.

AND, I want you to know that there is a tiny renewal going on. There's a glimmer of hope.... It's a tiny kindling. I hold still and hope it will catch, this time!!

Maybe my own private Christian views would be despised and condemned by maybe almost-all in "my religion."

Lexxigramer, the treatment that you and others have received by their hands, using the name of god or scripture were LIARS & terrible despicable IMPOSTERS of the Faith. Out there, parading as "men of God".... they ARE the artificials. Fake priests. Fake ministers. FAKES using 'the cloth' to cloak their undercover SELF ENRICHMENT agendas.... (Like Pinky & The Brain, of course... everybody wants to 'rule the world'). They have themselves in open places of governmental powers and influence now.

As much as you can... please dis-associate "them" from "me" and others here who deeply search for what is Right and what is Truth. Please, please... I am soooo sorry for all your pain.......

As for Edgar Cayce, and the Cayce people? My life was deeply influenced by the work. The people I knew (back then, from 1970s through 1990) were dedicated, real, and (ones I knew) were genuine. There is a mark of deep kindness that (has) followed those people. I've been out of touch with them for years. But I can vouch to you that God CAN be 'known' through their work and service to humanity.

I personally knew some Cayce family. I lived with some of the authors of the books people read about the work. When they talk about "God"... they talk about the Loving God of the Universe. NOT a 'finite' Being. God is the INFUSION in and through it ALL. You would not be able to be conscious in this world if he/she/it did not exist. Nothing exists outside of this Being.

"It" IS. Love.

(sooo sorry I must go to bed now....)
I haven't included other faiths (other non-Jesus faiths) but please.... they ARE AS valid. As Christ is valid.... people who walk in Love are valid. Jesus the divine man and God man is not a religion. And "religion" is not god! GOD is God. As we wish for separation of church & state? then PLEASE know that God and the things that are Divine are separate from the culture and traditions of patriarchal society as we know today... ) so sorry, gotta go

posted July 12, 2013 12:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
Cayce was a Christian so I see much of what he predicted as tainted or heavily biased in the direction of "Christian ideas are all good".
Well that is not true and Russia is doing awful things because of a new surge of Christianity.
The "light" will not be coming from Russia any time soon. I think Cayce saw this and being a Christian saw it as a good thing automatically.
I see these religious crazies passing laws going on in Russia as very very negative thing. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/11/russia-law-banning-gay-propaganda

[QUOTE] News
World news
Russia

Russia passes law banning gay 'propaganda'

Law will make it illegal to equate straight and gay relationships and to distribute gay rights material

Russia's parliament has unanimously passed a federal law banning gay "propaganda" amid a Kremlin push to enshrine deeply conservative values that critics say has already led to a sharp increase in anti-gay violence.

The law passed 436-0 on Tuesday, with just one deputy abstaining from voting on the bill, which bans the spreading of "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations" among minors.

The law in effect makes it illegal to equate straight and gay relationships, as well as the distribution of material on gay rights. It introduces fines for individuals and media groups found guilty of breaking the law, as well as special fines for foreigners.

Minutes after passing the anti-gay legislation, the Duma also approved a new law allowing jail sentences of up to three years for "offending religious feelings", an initiative launched in the wake of the trial against the anti-Kremlin punk band ***** Riot.

The two laws were widely criticised by Russia's marginalised liberal and human rights communities and come amid a wider crackdown against independent civil activity in the country.

"I have sincere contempt for the Duma's deputies. All, including the so-called opposition. You have now brought fascism to my country," wrote Yelena Kostychenko, a journalist at the independent Novaya Gazeta newspaper.

International rights groups have called the current situation in Russia the worst human rights climate in the post-Soviet era.

The two laws vastly boost the power of the Russian Orthodox church, a religious body that professes total allegiance to the state. Putin, who often makes a show of his faith, has increasingly called upon the church to fill his own ideological vacuum following a contested presidential election last year, accompanied by unprecedented protests against him.

The case against ***** Riot – in which three members were found guilty of "hooliganism motivated by religious hatred" after performing an anti-Putin anthem inside a Moscow church – was widely seen as the launch of an ultra-conservative agenda.

Russia's anti-gay law, whose text was softened to remove explicit referrals to "homosexual propaganda", introduces fines of up to 100,000 roubles (£1,975) for individuals who have used the media or internet to promote "non-traditional relations". Organisations can be fined up to 1m roubles and closed down for up to 90 days.

The bill, which must be signed by Putin to become law, also says foreigners can be detained for up to 15 days and deported, as well as fined up to 100,000 roubles, for breaking the law.

International gay rights activists, including British campaigner Peter Tatchell and US activist Dan Choi, have regularly travelled to Russia to support the country's struggling gay rights movement.

Russian activists insisted they would not halt their work. "It was totally expected – I don't take today's decision as the end of something," said Igor Kochetkov, the head of LGBT Network, a St Petersburg-based group.

"We insist on equal rights for all and we will continue to stand up against those patriarchal values that are today being actively promoted by the church and the government. We are doing this because we think these values, these norms, don't fit into a modern society."

"The government is using these instincts – homophobia, xenophobia – to justify its policies against an independent civil society," Kochetkov said. "They are making enemies out of us – not just LGBT society, but any group in society that doesn't agree with their current politics."

Clashes broke out in front of the Russian parliament on Tuesday, as around 300 activists gathered to protest for and against the bill. Police said 20 people were detained.

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I have long watched with interest Russia and the former Soviet bloc, and I too find the growing religious right troublesome. It was the Russian Orthodox's tight grip which in part led to the Russian Revolution and the Bolshevik's militant, fanatical atheism. As always, one extreme calls forth another. With communisn out, mob rule in, and near anarchy snarling outside the proverbial door is it any wonder the Church would make a play for power? The American evangelical movement's interference following the Soviet collapse didn't help matters.

To clarify: the sixth epoch is perhaps a thousand years away. The Christianity many believe with shine forth from the Russsian lands will be near unrecognizable from what we know now. Again, brotherhood will be the call of the day. Quite a different impulse than the medieval throwback we're seeing in Russia today.

The sixth epoch http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/19150615p01.html

"Within the womb, as it were, of the ancient Indian epoch, that of ancient Persia was prepared; within the ancient Persian culture, that of the Egypto-Chaldean epoch was prepared, and so on. Our fifth post-Atlantean epoch must prepare the coming sixth epoch of culture. Our task in spiritual science is not only to acquire spiritual treasure for ourselves, for the eternal life of the soul, but to prepare what will constitute the content, the specific external work of the sixth epoch of culture. The ancient Indian epoch was concerned with the cultivation of the human etheric body, the ancient Persian epoch with the cultivation of the astral body, the Egypto-Chaldean with that of the sentient soul, the Greco-Latin with that of the intellectual or mind soul. Our own epoch, throughout its duration, will develop and unfold the consciousness or spiritual soul. But what will give to external culture in the sixth epoch its content and character, must be prepared in advance. Many characteristics of the sixth epoch of culture will be entirely different from those of our age. Three characteristic traits can be mentioned, of which we must realize that they should be carried in our hearts for the sixth epoch of culture and that it is our task to prepare them for this sixth epoch."

And more Cayce:

Q. What should be the attitude of so-called capitalist nations toward Russia?
A. The greater hope of the world will come through Russia’s religious development. The one nation or group which is closed in relationship with Russia may fare best during the gradual changes and the final settlement of conditions, as to rule of the world (February 8, 1932) 3976-10
Q. About the Russian situation?
A. As we have indicated before, a new understanding has come and will come to a troubled people. Here, because of the yoke of oppression, because of self-indulgences, another extreme has arisen. Only when there is freedom of speech, and the right to worship according to the dictates of conscience - until these come about, turmols will still be within. (June 24, 1938) 3976 - 19

The incredible Story. P. 79-80

... For changes are coming, this may be sure – an evolution, or revolution in the ideas of religious thought. The basis of it for the world will eventually come out of Russia; not communism, no! But rather that which is the basis of the same, as the Christ taught – His kind of communism! (1930) No. 452-6

In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the communistic, or Bolshevik, no; but freedom, freedom! That each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallised, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world. (1944) No. 3976-29

Cayce was not a hate filled evangelical, Lexx. He lived an examplary life of kindness, humility, and service. We find in religion what we bring to it, and Cayce brought a good heart.

Nations are like individuals? Sometimes deep rooted issues must be played out in all their ugliness in order to be healed. With trials and tribulations, wisdom may come. Man must experience evil, and through that experience he comes to know truth and light. It's a long process, both for the individual and for the collective. It will be a hard road for Russia, for all of us.

Seest thou, the passing of the ages is like a parable
and in its passing it may burst to flame.
In the name, then, of its awesome majesty
I shall, in voluntary torments, descend into my grave.

I shall descend into my grave. And on the third day rise again.
And, even as rafts float down a river,
So shall the centuries drift, trailing like a caravan,
coming for judgement, out of the darkness, to me.

Boris Pasternak, Doctor Zhivago 1958

posted July 12, 2013 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:

Cayce was not a hate filled evangelical, Lexx. He lived an examplary life of kindness, humility, and service. We find in religion what we bring to it, and Cayce brought a good heart.

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posted July 12, 2013 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Hi Lexxigramer...

Not everyone who says they're a Christian is a Christian. Been thinking about antichrist and the evil activities of these Christian-extremists... I have a notion that the very antichrist spirit has piggybacked itself on these. Think about it... what a PERFECT place to "hide"? It has overshadowed the church for a long time... creeping in and creeping up. Happened sooo subtley that NO one in status quo would believe it. The Emperor's Clothes was one of my favorite fairy tales... the emperor was deceived, and the people went along with it just to be safe.

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Originally posted by mirage29:
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You are quite on when you say the words you say, as it pertains to that sect of 'christians'... I will back you up on that, always. And you KNOW I have in the past here at LL.

AND, I want you to know that there is a tiny renewal going on. There's a glimmer of hope.... It's a tiny kindling. I hold still and hope it will catch, this time!!

Maybe my own private Christian views would be despised and condemned by maybe almost-all in "my religion."

Lexxigramer, the treatment that you and others have received by their hands, using the name of god or scripture were LIARS & terrible despicable IMPOSTERS of the Faith. Out there, parading as "men of God".... they ARE the artificials. Fake priests. Fake ministers. FAKES using 'the cloth' to cloak their undercover SELF ENRICHMENT agendas.... (Like Pinky & The Brain, of course... everybody wants to 'rule the world'). They have themselves in open places of governmental powers and influence now.

As much as you can... please dis-associate "them" from "me" and others here who deeply search for what is Right and what is Truth. Please, please... I am soooo sorry for all your pain.......

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posted July 12, 2013 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:

As for Edgar Cayce, and the Cayce people? My life was deeply influenced by the work. The people I knew (back then, from 1970s through 1990) were dedicated, real, and (ones I knew) were genuine. There is a mark of deep kindness that (has) followed those people. I've been out of touch with them for years. But I can vouch to you that God CAN be 'known' through their work and service to humanity.

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quote:

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Originally posted by mirage29:

I personally knew some Cayce family. I lived with some of the authors of the books people read about the work. When they talk about "God"... they talk about the Loving God of the Universe. NOT a 'finite' Being. God is the INFUSION in and through it ALL. You would not be able to be conscious in this world if he/she/it did not exist. Nothing exists outside of this Being.

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Originally posted by mirage29:

"It" IS. Love.

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Originally posted by mirage29:

(sooo sorry I must go to bed now....)
I haven't included other faiths (other non-Jesus faiths) but please.... they ARE AS valid. As Christ is valid.... people who walk in Love are valid. Jesus the divine man and God man is not a religion. And "religion" is not god! GOD is God. As we wish for separation of church & state? then PLEASE know that God and the things that are Divine are separate from the culture and traditions of patriarchal society as we know today... ) so sorry, gotta go

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Originally posted by mirage29:

shura and anascorp, thankyou for this thread. shura, thankyou for the passage from Revelations.... it absolutely thrills me to my core. Oh! That we would experience SOON and know even briefly, in plain sight, collectively -- face to loving face...

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posted July 13, 2013 09:30 AM            

The epoc has not come nor will it for a goodly amount of earth time.

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It's a long process, both for the individual and for the collective. It will be a hard road for Russia, for all of us.

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Indeed and we must travel that road with an open mind, heart and with wisdom.

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In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the communistic, or Bolshevik, no; but freedom, freedom! That each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallised, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world. (1944) No. 3976-29

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This resonates with what Steiner has shared and with me.

posted July 14, 2013 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Cayce was shocked at some of the stuff he said under trance, because he was such a devout Christian.

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I've read that as well. Apparently it took some effort to wrap his mind around reincarnation. He did come to believe, though.

posted July 14, 2013 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by shura:
I don't hate you, Lexx. I hope you don't hate me for my beliefs. But if you do (which I doubt) that would be ok too.

I've read that as well. Apparently it took some effort to wrap his mind around reincarnation. He did come to believe, though.

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SO...
NO DEAR....I DO NOT HATE YOU....

As for the strict Christians, well I try to avoid them as their creed is hate based not love for all humanity.
This kinda illustrates that "good" Christian ways.