posted July 01, 2010 03:22 PM              

xodian will never be impartial to valus. it just is not going to happen. I am sorry Xodian, but it does show that you don't respect him, his lifestyle or his viewpoints.

the locking of the godzala threads was a rediculas move that many awesome people left over and made LLC2 way less fun.

it is also a fact that no amount of re-hashing the past will ever change what happened.

Koi is my twin and as such should also be allowed to rule godzala threads as the queen she is. she should not be questioned. her ideas... nor her authority.

if randall add's a forum, it should be conspiracy theories, or just theories that can be dissected and agrued in an area of thier own.

jwhops should get a burger king crown the third friday of every month.

abs and yin are too sweet to be subjected to the lindaland riots.

xodian on one hand wants to be friends and hang with godzalians, and yet, wants to be a man and set some rules..those two thing are at odds with each other and can not naturally happen simultaniously.... the realization that you can't reign in 10 women with hormones should be sinking in any day now...along with the realization that valus does not... will not respect you as you do not... will not respect him...all roads go two ways.

except one way streets which are clearly marked.

kat has the patience of job and is probobly one of the smartest people i know.

wheels should be able to have free reign as everyone else does whatever the hell they want, and gets away with it, and besides that...i miss her terribly.

tomorrow is friday.

thats about it. bye bye now.

posted July 01, 2010 03:35 PM              

I've actually tried to show Xodian respect, after our last encounter like this one. I corresponded with him, and was very tolerant and accommodating and even said nice things about him and told him I have a better opinion of him than he thinks. My guess is he was too suspicious to take me at my words, because he left unanswered the most diplomatic gesture I've ever made. But nevermind that. What were you saying about the road going both ways?

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Koi is my twin and as such should also be allowed to rule godzala threads as the queen she is. she should not be questioned. her ideas... nor her authority.

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So you agree I should be "executed on sight"
for sharing critical, life-saving information?

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jwhops should get a burger king crown the third friday of every month.

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lol. I support this one.

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wheels...

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posted July 01, 2010 03:39 PM              

You sat on your hands? Just how retarded are you? Here's a test: If you say to a black person, "I want to call you a word starting with "N", but I'm sitting on my hands," do you HONESTLY think you didn't just use the N-word?? This is textbook passive-aggressive, in case anybody is still confused about the definition of that term.

Melody,

It would've been nice if you hadn't "spilled the beans" about my stay in the hospital, and given ammunition to use against me to the very people who are wont to use it. No getting that back in the box.

T,

This issue is bigger than all of us, and it requires an effort to see the bigger picture. An effort not everyone can, or is willing to, make. For that reason, it's convenient for opponents of my views to focus on the smaller parts, and to distract from the whole. It also concerns vision, and the future, so, again, it's very convenient for opponents to focus on the here and now, and ignore the greater possibilities. But, if you can, try to follow my logic.

First of all, I never would have taken that sh!t if the AMA hadn't been lying to my parents, covering up the paths, and blocking access to real health since before I was born. That's should be clear by now to anybody with vision. I'd have been too healthy to reach for something like that in the first place. If I had to reach for something, it would've been perfectly legal psilocybin mushrooms -- and that's not at all an unrelated issue; not to me, and we are discussing how I see it. Health insurance would have paid for me to see an experienced shaman. And doctors would have promoted prevention of the kinds of conditions that lead to reckless experimentation. Moreover, the entire culture would be based on partnership principles, and not patriarchy. Instead of putting people to work to serve an obsessively wasteful economy, there would be tremendous freedom of movement. Instead of stigmatizing people who are in line with these ideas, such people would be celebrated. This is what I stand for, so, if you're going to see what I'm criticizing, please, see also what I'm proposing, and what I'm comparing it to -- since that is, and has always been, the basis of my criticism.

I don't deny that, in many ways, the hospitals of today are the best thing we have -- because (HELLO!) they are the only thing we have, since other methods have been suppressed and held back, and have received hardly any funding for the past hundred years. I've tried to draw your attention to the possibilities, and to something truly visionary. That's what this is about, and nothing you say can make it about something else.

posted July 01, 2010 04:14 PM            

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I'm sorry, T, but why do you bring that up? To illustrate a point?

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Yes, exactly. LOL! Why you two always take things so personally is interesting.

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Do you even know what happened? Were you there?

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I know what happened because it was written about here.

No, Yin. I was not there. Whatever else went on and was not written about is besides the point. I think you both are intelligent enough to look at the comment the way it was intended.

posted July 01, 2010 04:22 PM            

Have you considered moving to a place where that kind of care is the norm? I mean, you might find yourself a great deal less umm...frustrated.

posted July 01, 2010 04:22 PM              

i actually agree with you on some points valus.

koi is koi and i love her dearly. she could set bozo's pants on fire and i would still love her. she is my twin, how could i not love my twin. she is loyal, and forgets nothing. she will never forget mean things that were said that hurt people she cares about. i understand her completely.

yes, wheels left of her own accord. i also agree on that. it doesnt stop me from missing her.

nothing about tina turner? she does indeed deserve to be happy.

xodian? I have no idea why you would do such a thing when he obviously does not respect you. and yes it does go two ways. i had to stop talking with you for while to because i felt like i did the same thing to you, tried to be genuine and caring and felt like you did not value that or me, it hurt my feelings and i backed off until I could get to the point i appreciated you again. or at least until I wasn't having automatic responses. I dearly wish you could see that. so i know how you must have felt when he did not respond. nor do i understand why you would want his approval, when it is obvious to me that you may never have it.

so many people have told you time and again how acting mentally superior or in any way superior isolates you and makes people unwilling to listen to you. it just does. you hurt peoples feelings and people dont always remember what you SAY, but they will always remember how you make them feel. wierd thing, but so true.

every single person on this board and in life is just as precious, perfect and wonderful as you. every single one.

i have to get going now. take care.

posted July 01, 2010 04:31 PM            

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For that reason, it's convenient for opponents of my views to focus on the smaller parts, and to distract from the whole.

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Why are you so quick to judge people as your opponents Valus??? Damn man. Not everyone who shares a differing opinion is trying to distract from the whole of what you are saying. Could it be that they just have different views and are expressing and sharing them? Youve got a real warrior/savior something or other going on... It's like you think everyone is out to get you and everything is a fight. If you would only calm down sometimes and really hear what people are saying, change might actually take place, or minds may open a little more.

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It also concerns vision, and the future, so, again, it's very convenient for opponents to focus on the here and now, and ignore the greater possibilities. But, if you can, try to follow my logic.

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Oh, yes, I will try very hard to follow your "logic" sweetheart. It seems you are hell bent on gathering follwers in general, which i find interesting.

Do you think you are the only one with a vision? That your futuristic outlooks are too hard for people to grasp and that is everyone's problem? I have news for you; that is definitely not the case. You rarely come up with a new idea.

Maybe some of your opponents are able to live in the here and now and also dream of the future themselves. They may be more multifaceted than you are. Could you imagine that?!! They may have different dreams and outlooks than yours, but that doesnt make them dumb or unable to grasp some of the latest concepts that you come across and put your own spin on.

posted July 01, 2010 04:33 PM            

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Just how retarded are you?

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posted July 01, 2010 04:41 PM              

valus - please don't call me visionless or any other name. when you lump people together and name call, everyone thinks you meant all of us, which is inclusive. name calling is something people resort to when they run out of words and have to resort to insult. that is what starts so much of it all. i have vision. i live my dreams. my vision is not your vision, but i am true to myself and try to be honest, you are true to yourself and try to be honest, that i can respect. i know you don't believe that i have no vision, even if you want to, we have both been here too long not to know each other better than that.

anymore i have felt this outpouring of love and i seriously can't be petty to another person, in light of it. and in light of the fact of how many things i now see as so unimportant.

posted July 01, 2010 04:41 PM            

I have just been compared to a racist.

This is a tad too much.

Please, take notice.

posted July 01, 2010 04:52 PM            

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Health insurance would have paid for me to see an experienced shaman. And doctors would have promoted prevention of the kinds of conditions that lead to reckless experimentation.

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See? There again. What I hear here is that it's everyone else's fault. That whole paragraph reeks of it.

Why not become a Shaman yourself? Why be ****** and blame other people for not paying for you to see one?

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I've tried to draw your attention to the possibilities, and to something truly visionary. That's what this is about, and nothing you say can make it about something else.

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Thank you for trying to focus my attention on things that you think i need to focus on. Because you know, I need that and so does everyone else, because you say so and know what we need to focus on at any given point in time. The rest of us have no vision and are always trying to make things into something else.

No, Valus. It's not that way at all.

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Also, Yin is right. For years, we've been reading the accounts of many Knowflakes lives, watching the skeletons peek out of the closets and go back in, and we have plenty of material to blow them out of the water.

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Blow people out of the water??? Yes, I have much info and could do the same if you want to put it that way. But you see, I dont look at it, people or their situations or trials and tribulations that way.

What you said there, goes to show where your head is at. It's very Scorpionic of you to think that youve got dirt on people and could use it against them. That's a very heart centered way of looking at things.

Could you expand your vision for a moment and think about human beings on this planet in general and the things they go through on this classroom of earth? That people are every evolving and growing and that just because you heard some juciy gossip somewhere along the line you do not now have ultimate knowlege of who a person is or was, past, present or future.

You do enjoy hitting below the belt Valus. I've seen it numerous times. Just because you hold yourself back occasionally doesnt mean that aspect of you is not there. Your statement tells alot about how your mind works.

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So, you go ahead and point fingers at every aspect of my personal life you know of. If that's your thing.

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No, Valus, that is not my thing or you would see me actually doing it. You can twist things or veiw them through distorted vision that way if you'd like to though.

posted July 01, 2010 04:56 PM              

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Why are you so quick to judge people as your opponents Valus???

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Opponent isn't a dirty word. And I didn't say you were my opponent, I said you were an opponent of my views. And you are. I may read the rest of what you wrote later, but this is a lack-luster beginning, so I'm moving on for now.

starkiss,

I didnt compare you to a racist, I compared you to a RETARD. Get it straight. The comment about the N-word was what we thinking people call an "analogy", and a very apt one, at that. Clearly, it was over your head, like everything else I have to say.

Absinthe,

Koi said she wanted to execute me. I haven't seen you acknowledge that. But you are up in arms about me calling somebody a retard? So, calling somebody a retard is way over the line, but saying you want to shoot somebody on sight is perfectly okay? That's your position? Why do you expect anyone to respect your mind or anything you have to say, when you show your bias so clearly?

posted July 01, 2010 05:00 PM            

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Don't worry about us holding the mirror up too closely. We have too much respect for all you've been through. Peace

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Oh get over yourself. Believe me I am not worried about it in the least. You and other's here have taken many of your best shots at me throughout the years and I liken them to mosquito bites. It has also happened quite a bit throught my entire life. It's lower human nature and comes with the territory. Doesnt bother me anymore. And I know who to expect it from.

Dust off the mirror you think you have and take a harder look at something else.

And I don't believe you have respect for what I've been through. BTW you only know a tidbit of it actually. And I dont care if you do or do not anyway.

posted July 01, 2010 05:04 PM            

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I may read the rest of what you wrote later, but this is a lack-luster beginning, so I'm moving on for now.

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posted July 01, 2010 05:12 PM            

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Nobody has dug up your personal pain to illustrate a point now, have they?

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posted July 01, 2010 05:16 PM            

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jwhops should get a burger king crown the third friday of every month.

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posted July 01, 2010 05:28 PM              

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i actually agree with you on some points valus.

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Which things?

And why don't you say so?

Cpn, you are head and shoulders above most of the women you choose to ally yourself with, and it's a shame. You do them no favors, and you do yourself a disservice. You are better than this.

As for Xodian, what happened between he and I is not a parallel to what happened between you and me. You made a gesture, and I told you, kindly, that, while I understood and appreciated the gesture, I feel that we rub each other the wrong way and should keep a wide berth. Xodian, on the other hand, responded to my diplomacy with insults, and when I overlooked these and made a powerful effort of diplomacy, he did not respond at all. You are smart enough to see how different this is from what occurred between you and I, now that you know the specifics some.

I hear you about the superiority thing. Try to understand that this is not something I have a great deal of power over. Sagittarius rules my 12th (unconscious motives and behaviors), with Mercury/Mars and Neptune there. Mercury/Mars gives a sharp, quick mind that cuts right to the heart of the matter, and is not known for taking anything else into consideration. In Sag, the emphasis is on truth and honesty... The ruler of my 12th (Jupiter) is in Leo, closely squaring Chiron (my deepest wounds), opposing my Moon (instinctive responses) and squaring my Solar Stellium, in addition to trining that 12th house conjunction. The trine, which has many positive manifestations, also acts like a slide, funneling energy automatically between that 12th house conjunction and Jupiter in the 8th. Both of these are water houses, so all of these planets require tremendous effort to be brought into conscious awareness. Jupiter in the 8th, incidentally, signifies a person who brings great benefits to others, for which he/she is rarely recognized or recompensed.

Briefly, this all points to an almost obsessive, and certainly self-undermining, regard for honesty, and, yes, a somewhat overblown sense of self-confidence. For one thing, I honestly believe I am superior to most people here in certain regards, and that belief is, more often than not, justified. Whether or not I need to voice it is another matter. I voice it because honesty, like I said, is my obsession, and also because my wound leads me to be very pained by what I feel is an under-appreciation for the qualities and insights I bring to the table. It may be politically correct not to say, straight up, that these things are valuable, and that they are mine, but, as I see it, that's mainly because these things are near-universally undervalued. If others recognized the value of these things -- and of the one who carries them, -- then it would never fall to me to speak for them. I am a deposed king, and an evil ruler sits on my throne. But somebody, somebody, has to recognize the deposed king, even if it is himself. I don't expect anyone to understand, yet I exhaust myself explaining this, just the same. Yes, the king might get better results if he just accepted the situation and posed as a beggar. But that's not my way.

posted July 01, 2010 05:37 PM            

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Absinthe,

Koi said she wanted to execute me. I haven't seen you acknowledge that. But you are up in arms about me calling somebody a retard? So, calling somebody a retard is way over the line, but saying you want to shoot somebody on sight is perfectly okay? That's your position? Why do you expect anyone to respect your mind or anything you have to say, when you show your bias so clearly?

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You said this:

Patients diagnosed with Cancer are misled
about the amount of time they have left;
they're rushed, scared, and pressured to
make a decision to begin the severe
"treatments" of the AMA.

The truth is, unbiased research has shown
that patients who don't receive "treatment",
live longer, with a better quality of life.

She responded:

If someone said this to any of my loved ones diagnosed with cancer, I would execute them on the spot.

Go work in a cancer ward and tell that to the patients. I dare you...It was me that said 'execute'. And I would want to execute any dickhead who said this to my face about any one of my family members. You're twisting words.

Go to a cancer ward and say this... not to me. I'm not important in this thread as I don't have cancer.

Telling someone to not trust their doctor is a form of execution.

Lecture to follow?

As I reiterate......

Don't tell me, tell the patients in a cancer ward.

I dare you.

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Never spent much time around cancer patients or their loved ones have you Valus. They're under a great deal of stress, and if you come in and tell them, "Hi, I know you don't know me from anywhere, but by the way, I just thought you ought to know, that Patients diagnosed with Cancer are misled
about the amount of time they have left;
they're rushed, scared, and pressured to
make a decision to begin the severe
"treatments" of the AMA.

The truth is, unbiased research has shown
that patients who don't receive "treatment",
live longer, with a better quality of life. Thanks for listening. Have a good day!"

You're probably going to get punched, or perhaps executed as Koi put it.

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posted July 01, 2010 05:40 PM            

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Try to understand that this is not something I have a great deal of power over. Sagittarius rules my 12th (unconscious motives and behaviors), with Mercury/Mars and Neptune there. Mercury/Mars gives a sharp, quick mind that cuts right to the heart of the matter, and is not known for taking anything else into consideration. In Sag, the emphasis is on truth and honesty... The ruler of my 12th (Jupiter) is in Leo, closely squaring Chiron (my deepest wounds), opposing my Moon (instinctive responses) and squaring my Solar Stellium, in addition to trining that 12th house conjunction. The trine, which has many positive manifestations, also acts like a slide, funneling energy automatically between that 12th house conjunction and Jupiter in the 8th. Both of these are water houses, so all of these planets require tremendous effort to be brought into conscious awareness. Jupiter in the 8th, incidentally, signifies a person who brings great benefits to others, for which he/she is rarely recognized or recompensed.

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posted July 01, 2010 06:22 PM            

I Am Never Upset for the Reason I Think: Lesson OneShare
Saturday, 26 June 2010 at 08:18
I am tempted to believe that I am upset because of what other people do, or because of circumstances and events which seem to be beyond my control. I may experience being upset as some form of anger, jealousy, resentment, depression. Actually, all of these feelings represent some form of fear, and I have a choice-to experience love or be fearful. As I choose to experience love by extending love to others, my fears are dispelled. I recognize that I need no longer be upset for any reason.

Throughout the day, whenever you are tempted to be fearful, remind yourself that: you can experience love instead, and say:

My peace comes only from within me.
It cannot come from anywhere else.

posted July 01, 2010 06:28 PM            

jupiter in leo generally makes a great performer.