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katatonic
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posted July 02, 2010 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
also, xodian, my grandson lost 3 years of his childhood activity to a condition called ITP,.which is increasing in occurrence right along with the increase in COMBINATIONS of vaccinations for 4 years olds. this is the peak age for kids to come down with this disorder, which basically is a CONFUSED immune system.

the medical community has admitted that 1 in 25-30,000 children will react to the massive COCKTAIL of vaccines especially the combination of MMR and VARICELLA exactly as he did. THEY DO NOT ADVERTISE THIS SIDE EFFECT which can last 24 hours or YEARS depending on the child...NOR do they advertise that there is a compensation program in place though there is. so while they have taken the trouble to cover themselves in the case of lawsuits and have paid thousands to some people, they deny that there is any problem and CONTINUE to mix these vaccines for kids whose immune systems are not developed enough to deal.

the treatments for the condition are acknowledged to be hit-or-miss MANAGEMENT programs, including prednizone which is known to be risky, and other usually useless procedures.

chinese herbs were the only thing that helped, and time, and improved diet...

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posted July 02, 2010 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't let them give your children multiple vax at the same time. It's the same dosage as they give a full grown adult. THe little people can't take that. It's too much.

When in nature do animals get 6 different communicable diseases at the SAME time? NEVER!

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they do need to counsel on possible side effects so parents can make INFORMED decisions. that is for sure!

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posted July 02, 2010 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No cpn, your cat wasn't digging up my flower beds...again. He was annoying my moles and lizards so I brought him in for some heavy cream. He'll be home when he sleeps it off.

Is that a clothing optional hot tub?

Well cpn and Abs, I guess I waited toooo long and all the good ones are already taken.

Valus, how do you manage to get it so consistently wrong?

"That's pretty funny considering
you created the space for all of this
with years of vicious, unprovoked attacks."

I didn't "create" this space....and, when I first came to this forum I was just an inoffensive little ball of fluff. But, it didn't take me long to get the message that if I wanted to be perfectly understood I would have to talk to the members in a language they could understand...their own.

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posted July 02, 2010 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my daughter was told it was mandatory that he have these things all at once. when she told me i freaked, and she now knows that NO vaccines can be FORCED on a non-consenting parent...

doing her externship recently she was asked to give the same cocktail to a little girl and refused. she is now working in another office!!

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posted July 02, 2010 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and just for the record, I didn't used to pet Jwhop at all.

It just took me some time to understand him.
Maybe you'd have better luck Valus, if you stopped stroking his fur backwards. Kitties don't like that.

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just keep him over there, i'll send the dog too, he needs a nap!

4th of july party in the hot tub! clothing optional!

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posted July 02, 2010 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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my daughter was told it was mandatory that he have these things all at once. when she told me i freaked, and she now knows that NO vaccines can be FORCED on a non-consenting parent...

Good for you Kat! Just keep saying no, and they can't make you. Just do it on YOUR terms. Ours got them ONE at a time, and when they were over the age of 6.

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posted July 02, 2010 01:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

winkys got the drinkys
abs bringing dessert

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i cant believe they taught her that kat!

i thought in cali a lot of people did not even get the vaccinations for thier kids!

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gotta watch those lizards jwhops, the ganja can make them look like alligators! a smoking koala told me!

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posted July 02, 2010 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dontcha know koalas smoke and don't get cancer. maybe it is we who cause ourselves cancer by trying to live too long?

abs when dotter was small they came out with the MMR and said she just HAD to have it! i laughed and said, thanks but i had ALL of those diseases and i would take our chances. "but if she doesn't get rubella before she gets pregnant it is so risky!" says the vax person. to which i said i would worry about that AFTER she got her period...

as it happened she had measles AND rubella without any more symptoms than a weird rash...apparently the mumps she had did not give her antibodies though...

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You better stand tall
When they're calling you out
Don't bend, don't break
Baby, don't back down

(It's my life)
And it's now or never
I ain't gonna live forever
I just wanna live while I'm alive

(It's my life)
My heart is like an open highway
Like Frankie said, "I did it my way"
I just wanna live while I'm alive
'Cause it's my life!

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posted July 02, 2010 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, cpn, lots of californians are refusing vax these days, so now we have a whooping cough scare campaign going....that was another one i refused for my girl...she had the first installment and screamed nonstop for 24 hours, so no more.

i believe in some vaccines, especially if you are going to a foreign country where, say, cholera is rife...but not for most childhood diseases. i remember being isolated for measles and really enjoying it despite the discomfort.

i have a client who was one of the first polio vaccine kids. she didn't get polio but she got the twisted spine that goes with it all the same. a lot of scoliosis seems to be connected with that particular shot...

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posted July 02, 2010 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vaccination Causes Autism – Say US Government & Merck’s Director of Vaccines
Posted on June 30, 2010 by childhealthsafety
A New Scientist article 29 June 2010 by Jim Giles states:-

We still do not know what causes autism.“

Desperate measures: The lure of an autism cure

That is not correct. Here we set out four ways autistic conditions are caused.

The first known cause of autism was rubella virus. This has been known since the 1960s. Live rubella virus is one of the three live viruses in the MMR vaccine.


congenital rubella can cause autism”

The Pediatrician’s Role in the Diagnosis and Management of Autistic Spectrum Disorder in Children – PEDIATRICS Vol. 107 No. 5 May 2001

Autistic conditions can result from acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) following MMR vaccination as held by the US Federal Court in the case of Bailey Banks. In his conclusion, US Federal Court Special Master Abell ruled that Petitioners had proven that the MMR had directly caused a brain inflammation illness called acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) which, in turn, had caused the autism spectrum disorder PDD-NOS in the child:

The Court found that Bailey’s ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccination. It is well-understood that the vaccination at issue can cause ADEM, and the Court found, based upon a full reading and hearing of the pertinent facts in this case, that it did actually cause the ADEM. Furthermore, Bailey’s ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage, and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized heading of Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD [an autism spectrum disorder]. The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine, and that this chain of causation was… a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to Pervasive Developmental Delay.

[Banks v. HHS (Case 02-0738V, 2007 U.S. Claims LEXIS 254, July 20, 2007)].

Autistic conditions can result from encephalopathy following vaccination. The US Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) confirmed to CBS News that of 1322 cases of vaccine injury compensation settled out of court by the US Government in secret settlements:-

We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures.”

CBS News Exclusive: Leading Dr.: Vaccines-Autism Worth Study Former Head Of NIH Says Government Too Quick To Dismiss Possible Link – WASHINGTON, May 12, 2008

Vaccine Case: An Exception Or A Precedent? – First Family To Have Autism-Related Case “Conceded” Is Just One Of Thousands – CBS News By Sharyl Attkisson WASHINGTON, March 6, 2008

Measles and mumps are two of the three live viruses in the MMR vaccine. Exposure to live measles or mumps viruses can cause encephalitis:-

measles and mumps can cause significant disability, including encephalitis“

The Pediatrician’s Role in the Diagnosis and Management of Autistic Spectrum Disorder in Children – PEDIATRICS Vol. 107 No. 5 May 2001

So there is direct evidence that live measles, mumps or rubella viruses separately can cause encephalitis leading to autism.

More troubling is that this has been known for a long time. So the risks of giving very young children a vaccine containing three live viruses all at once were known. These two World Health Organisation papers published nearly 40 years ago set out the hazards:

Virus-associated immunopathology : animal models and implications for human disease”:

1. Effects of viruses on the immune system, immune-complex diseases, and antibody-mediated immunologic injury Bulletin of The World Health Organisation. 1972; 47(2): 257-264.

2. Cell-mediated immunity, autoimmune diseases, genetics, and implications for clinical research Bulletin of the World Health Organisation. 1972; 47(2): 265-274.

People who are pre-disposed to have a mitochondrial dysfunction can develop autistic conditions following vaccination. The current President of Merck’s Vaccines Division, Julie Gerberding confirmed to CBS News when she was Director of the US Centres for Disease Control that:

….. if you’re predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism.“

HOUSE CALL WITH DR. SANJAY GUPTA – Unraveling the Mystery of Autism; Talking With the CDC Director; Stories of Children with Autism; Aging with Autism – Aired March 29, 2008 – 08:30 ET

Mitochondrial dysfunction is claimed to be “rare” but is not. It can apply to a minimum of 20% of cases.

And this was said when Gerberding was then head of the US Centres for Disease Control – budget US$11 billion. It followed from award winning author and journalist David Kirby breaking the story of the Hannah Poling case, secretly settled by the US Government. It was after this story broke that it started to be acknowledged that autism has an “environmental” cause and is not solely an “internal” condition [ie not determined solely by genetics]: AUTISM – US Court Decisions and Other Recent Developments – It’s Not Just MMR

[Gerberding went from the US agency charged with promoting vaccines [CDC] directly to become vaccine maker Merck’s Director of Vaccines Division: Dr. Julie Gerberding Named President of Merck Vaccines – 21 Dec 2009 – Merck & Co., Inc.

And what does not cause autism?
Autism is not “caused” by “genes”
Dr Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D. the 16th and current Director of the US$30.5 billion budget National Institutes of Health [nominated by President Obama: NIH News Release 17th August 2009 ] stated in evidence to US House of Representatives Committee May 2006 when Director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute:

“Recent increases in chronic diseases like diabetes, childhood asthma, obesity or autism cannot be due to major shifts in the human gene pool as those changes take much more time to occur. They must be due to changes in the environment, including diet and physical activity, which may produce disease in genetically predisposed persons.“

Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D. evidence to US House of Representatives Committee May 2006

Collins controls the US $30.5 billion annual medical research budget and is a leading medical doctor and geneticist who led the Human Genome Project.

Autistic conditions affect 1 in 100 US children. It affects 1 in 64 British children [1 in 40 are boys] according to a Cambridge University study.

ESTIMATING AUTISM SPECTRUM PREVALENCE IN THE POPULATION: A SCHOOL BASED STUDY FROM THE UK

Conclusions: The prevalence estimate of known cases of ASC, using different methods of ascertainment converges around 1%. The ratio of known to unknown cases means that for every three known cases there are another two unknown cases. This has implications for planning diagnostic, social and health services.”

It is estimated to cost the UK £28 billion per annum [roughly US$42 billion]: ["Economic Consequences of Autism in the UK" - London School of Economics - Study by team led by Professor Martin Knapp [Executive Summary]


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the above article claims that the MMR vaccine does cause autism, that the govt has admitted it,

however

it also says the diseases themselves cdause autism. perhaps so. they can also be very dangerous. but mostly not, and most people do NOT have to deal with all at once. this is the crux of the argument against the WAY vaccines are given

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yin is erasing all of her posts.

i knew she would be ****** about v sharing publically something she said privately.

that is really too bad. she will be missed if she leaves.

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posted July 02, 2010 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yin.

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The polio vaccine on the sugar cube, made me very sick when I was a teenager. (The live vaccine was on the cube.)

My computer is freezing up, so I can't type much. I remember feeling exceptionally cold and tired - I was curled up in front of the heating vent, with the heat cranked up, and it felt as though I had a freezing cold wind blowing through me. Everyone else was boiling hot. It took me a couple of weeks to recover - the doctor diagnosed me with something that usually occurs in infants or the elderly, with the barely-existent immune systems. It really did a number on me.

The book, "What Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines" made me cry, when I read it in 2002. It's scary, trying to do the right thing, and not knowing what that is.

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posted July 02, 2010 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Musette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's gotta be hard to stand behind a post like
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Nobody has dug up your personal pain to illustrate a point now, have they?
when her partner not only does it on a regular basis to so many people but also uses her to do so. And she's likely only read Valus's posts after he's already done a clean-up job of editing/deleting his most aggressively mean comments in here.

T, I admire your strength and confidence in your art.

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it would be very hard to stand behind a lover who did not hold precious and important the things i said intimately behind closed doors. it's a trust thing.

i am sure it embarrassed her and upset her.

it is really too bad it had to happen.

fireworks may be starting early.

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posted July 02, 2010 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Musette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It's scary, trying to do the right thing, and not knowing what that is.

That sums up the vaccination quandary right there.

Has anyone read about Jenny McCarthy and her fight against vaccinations and its tie to autism? She recently stopped her fight as her son was misdiagnosed with autism but he actually had something else, and the doctor she was getting information from was discredited in Britain - at least that's the best as I can remember it at the moment.

ETA: I found an article about Jenny McCarthy's situation: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1967796-1,00.html

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posted July 02, 2010 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dr. Wakefield.

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The scriptures have been reading me. The spirit of wrath is gone from me. I need to apologize for my hardness of heart. I'm sorry to all of you. To anyone I hurt. I'm sorry for being a fool. I'm sorry for being wise in my own sight. God knows my repentance is ongoing. I forgive everyone, and I say that, not to accuse anyone, or to insinuate that some apology is owed to me. I say it so you'll know that there isn't negativity being directed at you from me. If anyone still feels moved to reproach me or to doubt these words, I understand. But God is my judge, and I have confessed, and continue now to confess my wrongdoing, and my blindness. I don't want to be acknowledged for this. I don't want anyone to respond to this, but I will welcome any response; even a reproach. But I will not answer a reproach. My work is with God, and your work is also between yourselves and God. But if God moves you to make amends, follow Him. Or if He moves you to admonish me, follow Him. I am sorry. I am not a good man. I have so much anger in my heart, and so much conceit. But God has seen fit to cleanse me for this moment, that some goodness might peek out and speak for me. I know all of you suffer and struggle with private crosses and sorrows of your own. I know that the only wisdom is in understanding, and the only foolishness in judgment. I do not ask forgiveness of you, but of the Lord. I only set this apology down, that those who wish to make take it up, and those who do not may leave it. You are all good. You are all loved and understood by God. You all bring gifts of God. None of you deserve to be spoken to in anger. I'm sorry if I wrote too much just now. Thank you.

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posted July 02, 2010 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THE SAGE

VIRTUE and equity,
Courage and temperance,
Are the four qualities of the Sage.

He is not over-cunning or a fool,
His appetites are under control,
From cringing and boasting he is free,
And from foolhardiness and cowardice.

All virtues lie between
Excess and defect,
A narrow path betwixt
Hell's bottomless abyss,
Fine and sharp as a sword blade,
Which permits no lingering
Or turning round.

Equipoise is the summit of perfection,
Becoming like a simple essence.

As the rays of the sun
Shine upon the earth,
So the Light from the Spirit World
Shines brightly on him
Who has attained this equilibrium.

Sa'd ud Din Mahmud Shabistari

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

- George Eliot

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i am proud of you valus.
prouder than i have ever been.
please ask yin not to leave, she has friends here and i don't think anyone is upset with her at all.
i know you meant it.
have a good night.

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