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SaggiMC
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posted March 12, 2012 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Perfect explanation Vi. Thank you so much!


I've had T Neptune square natal venus and it was *wonderful* I thought I had finally
met my Soul mate, twin flame, you name it.
Neptune definately draws a veil accross your perceptions. My venus is well aspected in my taurus stellium. Gosh did I enjoy the feelings of romance, tender touches and soft looks, gestures. Obviously, this was an *internal projection* on a person who eventually was not worth it...

When in reality I was being conned out of money...

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posted March 12, 2012 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ShyVirgo1979:
Here r my orbs
Sun in virgo - 19.37
Mercury in virgo - 19.25
Venus in virgo - 24.39
Saturn in virgo - 17.33
NN in virgo - 8.24

All in H6


your sun receives mercury within minutes this is called cazimi in traditional astrology.

quote:
Originally Posted by Olivia on astrologyweekly.com
If it's within 17 minutes of the Sun, it's cazimi.
Basically what happens in cazimi is the planet is considered to be 'sitting in the lap of the king' and is given great power.

If it's further than that, and up to 8-1/2 degrees away, it's combust, even if it's in a different sign.

From 8-1/2 to 15 degrees away it's under the beams, which means it's slightly weakened, but not as much as combustion would weaken it.

In combustion, the planet's power is transferred to the Sun, so will always act in service to the Sun - which is likely to come with one great gift.

Merc/Sun combust is often the sign of a very good writer, for example, but one can get awfully caught up in one's own opinions to the point of not listening to others, Venus combust in Taurus is often the guy who can bed just about any woman but can't establish a permanent relationship, Venus combust in Libra is often a gorgeous woman trapped in a miserable marriage, and so forth.
Jupiter could give wealth, make you a good barrister or a judge, possibly fame, but you might be awfully pompous.
Combust planets for women (any planet) seem to be bad for marriage as a rule, though it doesn't seem to hold true quite so much for men, though it depends on the planet, and I'd definitely still look at it.

A good tutorial on cazimi versus combustion is the Book or Scroll of Ester (which may or may not be in your bible depending on what version you've got). Consider Ester to be cazimi, and a whole lot of other folks in the story combust (even Haman goes combust eventually!). Read in that light you might get a whole new appreciation of biblical literature as well.



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“For technical purposes, in Western astrology, most ancient and medieval authorities considered a planet combust or burnt when its position was within 5-8 degrees on either side of the Sun. However, a planet will continue to be weakened by the Sun until it has elongated by 15-17 degrees from it. (Lilly says 17 degrees on p. 113 of Christian Astrology.) This positioning is said to be under the beams of the Sun, and although it may be stronger than being combust, it will still cause a noticeable weakening in a planet's effectiveness.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combust_(astrological_aspect)

“Venus combust may take away the strength to achieve, but when in a particularly close conjunction with the Sun it produces the condition sometimes termed nymphomania. Mars combust is always the man who fights for what he wants; and so with each planet according to its intrinsic nature.
Wilson says "there seems manifest a difference in genius and propensities of natives, according to the distance of their Mercury from the Sun; and that those whose Mercury is combust have little wit or solid judgment, though they will persevere in business and frequently with good success.” http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/combust.php

Cazimi/combust
“So for a modern astrologer, Mars either cazimi or combust the sun is strengthened because Mars is considered fiery and hot, and thus benefits from meeting the fiery heat of the sun. But cold and dry Saturn would weaken when either combust or cazimi, because the nature of the sun is damaging to Saturn. Modern astrologers usually make no distinction between a planet being combust the sun or cazimi.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combust_(astrological_aspect)

Sooooo, would you like to share are you good at creative writings, public speaking or alike???

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posted March 12, 2012 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ShyVirgo1979:
Here r my orbs
Sun in virgo - 19.37
Mercury in virgo - 19.25 Exalted
Venus in virgo - 24.39 Fall
Saturn in virgo - 17.33
NN in virgo - 8.24

All in H6



do you work in the health industries? my favourite career for Virgo is finance industries, bankding, finance, accoutancy types.
sun conj saturn shows a lack of rapport with father. Venus conj saturn shows feelings of being uncherished in early childhood

Your North Node isnt' close enough to this stellium, is it 5th or 6th house?

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posted March 12, 2012 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saggi
What would you say about Venus trine Saturn and Sun trine Saturn? Thanks.

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posted March 12, 2012 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Saggi
What would you say about Venus trine Saturn and Sun trine Saturn? Thanks.


I don't have these myself so cannot relate pesonally... but I have listed them
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000693.html

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posted March 12, 2012 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ShyVirgo1979     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ShyVirgo1979:
[b] Here r my orbs
Sun in virgo - 19.37
Mercury in virgo - 19.25 Exalted
Venus in virgo - 24.39 Fall
Saturn in virgo - 17.33
NN in virgo - 8.24

All in H6



do you work in the health industries? my favourite career for Virgo is finance industries, bankding, finance, accoutancy types.
sun conj saturn shows a lack of rapport with father. Venus conj saturn shows feelings of being uncherished in early childhood

Your North Node isnt' close enough to this stellium, is it 5th or 6th house?

[/B][/QUOTE]

I'm taking classes to b a home health aide actually lol .......I had a fallout with my father and haven't spoken to him since I was 19. And I'm 32. He wasn't really there for me during my childhood. I have bad memories of him...yes I felt uncherished during my childhood. My mother always favored my older sister and she started working lots of overtime and was always tired and I was constantly getting yelled for things. I took it hard as a kid. Its better now tho. Astrodiest says my NN is in my 6th house.

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posted March 12, 2012 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ShyVirgo1979     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
your sun receives mercury within minutes this is called cazimi in traditional astrology.

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Olivia on astrologyweekly.com
If it's within 17 minutes of the Sun, it's cazimi.
Basically what happens in cazimi is the planet is considered to be 'sitting in the lap of the king' and is given great power.

If it's further than that, and up to 8-1/2 degrees away, it's combust, even if it's in a different sign.

From 8-1/2 to 15 degrees away it's under the beams, which means it's slightly weakened, but not as much as combustion would weaken it.

In combustion, the planet's power is transferred to the Sun, so will always act in service to the Sun - which is likely to come with one great gift.

Merc/Sun combust is often the sign of a very good writer, for example, but one can get awfully caught up in one's own opinions to the point of not listening to others, Venus combust in Taurus is often the guy who can bed just about any woman but can't establish a permanent relationship, Venus combust in Libra is often a gorgeous woman trapped in a miserable marriage, and so forth.
[b] Jupiter could give wealth, make you a good barrister or a judge, possibly fame, but you might be awfully pompous.

Combust planets for women (any planet) seem to be bad for marriage as a rule, though it doesn't seem to hold true quite so much for men, though it depends on the planet, and I'd definitely still look at it.

A good tutorial on cazimi versus combustion is the Book or Scroll of Ester (which may or may not be in your bible depending on what version you've got). Consider Ester to be cazimi, and a whole lot of other folks in the story combust (even Haman goes combust eventually!). Read in that light you might get a whole new appreciation of biblical literature as well.



---

“For technical purposes, in Western astrology, most ancient and medieval authorities considered a planet combust or burnt when its position was within 5-8 degrees on either side of the Sun. However, a planet will continue to be weakened by the Sun until it has elongated by 15-17 degrees from it. (Lilly says 17 degrees on p. 113 of Christian Astrology.) This positioning is said to be under the beams of the Sun, and although it may be stronger than being combust, it will still cause a noticeable weakening in a planet's effectiveness.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combust_(astrological_aspect)

“Venus combust may take away the strength to achieve, but when in a particularly close conjunction with the Sun it produces the condition sometimes termed nymphomania. Mars combust is always the man who fights for what he wants; and so with each planet according to its intrinsic nature.
Wilson says "there seems manifest a difference in genius and propensities of natives, according to the distance of their Mercury from the Sun; and that those whose Mercury is combust have little wit or solid judgment, though they will persevere in business and frequently with good success.” http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/combust.php

Cazimi/combust
“So for a modern astrologer, Mars either cazimi or combust the sun is strengthened because Mars is considered fiery and hot, and thus benefits from meeting the fiery heat of the sun. But cold and dry Saturn would weaken when either combust or cazimi, because the nature of the sun is damaging to Saturn. Modern astrologers usually make no distinction between a planet being combust the sun or cazimi.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combust_(astrological_aspect)

Sooooo, would you like to share are you good at creative writings, public speaking or alike???

[/B][/QUOTE]

Public speaking?? Nooo!! LOL I have anxieties with that. But I remember back in jr high and high school I was good at writing reports for english. That was an easy subject for me. I used to write my best friend's reports for her cuz she sucked at it lol I used to call it "the art of b.s.-ing" lmao reports were just easy for me.

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posted March 12, 2012 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How is Esther a cazimi lol

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posted March 12, 2012 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ShyVirgo1979     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I even double-check my oldest son's reports sometimes all in virgo style too. He hates when I do it so I've tried not to so much. I'm like kid, reports should have ur opening and closing paragraphs and then all the paragraphs should have ur title sentence blah blah blah lol I like looking up synonyms so I can use big words that sound important and not so plain and then u can't repeat everything over and over heaven forbid lol *sigh* its a curse being virgo somedays. There does that answer ur question hehe

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posted March 12, 2012 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ShyVirgo1979:
I even double-check my oldest son's reports sometimes all in virgo style too. He hates when I do it so I've tried not to so much. I'm like kid, reports should have ur opening and closing paragraphs and then all the paragraphs should have ur title sentence blah blah blah lol I like looking up synonyms so I can use big words that sound important and not so plain and then u can't repeat everything over and over heaven forbid lol *sigh* its a curse being virgo somedays. There does that answer ur question hehe


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posted March 12, 2012 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How is Esther a cazimi lol



haven't a clue perhaps google?

ShyV, thanks for responding.

I'm just in the process of doing an MC vocational thread, just go to basic forum..

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posted March 12, 2012 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shy V,

I been updating my threads in Basic forum, nice mercury retrograde period, for going back over old stuff

Basic astrology forum, What to look for in Career http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000668.html
To enter this forum you need an extra password – astrology….

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posted March 12, 2012 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Shy V,

I been updating my threads in Basic forum, nice mercury retrograde period, for going back over old stuff

Basic astrology forum, What to look for in Career http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000668.html
To enter this forum you need an extra password – astrology….


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