posted December 01, 2012 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What would Sun trine Saturn be, with respect to the relationship with the father?

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posted December 01, 2012 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
SS !

I have a loose Sun/Saturn square.
My father was always coming in and going out of the family, and then when I was 9 he left for good. I've lost contact with him from that point. I definitely have "daddy" issues, and it feels awful knowing that your own father doesn't care about you. I do struggle with low self-esteem, apathy and depression.. I'm not ambitious and not a hard worker, I'm easily demotivated. So obviously I have tons of things to work on before I can channel that energy positively.

It's definitely not an easy aspect to have..

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posted December 01, 2012 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by its_aqua:
Hey Guys..
Sun conjunction Saturn here.
I don't like my father. I think he is the most fake person I've ever met. He really disgusts me. He pretends to be easy-going and kind and all that, when he really isn't. You can't discuss with him, he has temper tantrums and he always pretends to be the victim. He has lied to me on numerous occasions but I recently confronted him and we'll probably never ever talk again, and I'm so glad about that.

I realised all this stuff quite late, as I'm now 21, but my parents divorced since I was a baby so I never really knew his true colours until recently that I lived with him for 4 years.

Personaly I'm a person with strong will, ambition and the belief that everything can be achieved if you work hard. I hate the way my father always wines,and never tries or tried about everything. And I hate how he always lies even about the simplest thing. I've also examined how he acts in his personal relationships, and he's behaviour is so ****** . He's sneaky and a liar and If you met him right now you'd probably think I'm crazy or lying because he's so disgustingly king when it comes to strangers, coming off as a nice person.

But he really isn't. I'm glad I will not be having any contact with him from now on. I dont want any connection with him and his miserable manners and cunning lies.

So sorry this post got so long, but I'm so glad I could get all this off my chest.

Other than my relationship with my father, I think I like my Sun conjunct Saturn.

Saturn and Sun are also conjunct to my N.Node, and I think this is what keeps me going, gives me strength and discipline. It's probably the wind under my wings, that keeps me strong, even after many troubles. So yeah, I guess I like this conjunction

Btw, Saturn is in Capricorn on the 8th house and my Sun in Aqua on the 8th house too.

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This sounds quite heavy and difficult... I hope you are OK. I am happy you see some positive in this, like the Saturn-NN aspect. It certainly does give you the drive to push on beyond your own limitations and difficulties... I have it myself and it gives me courage to move ahead too.

posted December 01, 2012 08:55 PM            

I don't know how much of a difference one's subjective experience may make in how aspects manifest. If it counts for anything, he's very consciously acted to be the opposite of most of the models of behavior illustrated to (and enacted upon) him as a child.

posted December 01, 2012 09:02 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I'm sorry you had this difficult situation.

I can definitely see the Neptune square creating an alcoholism issue along with the abuse. I'm sure it only intensified the abuse of the Sun-Saturn square... and how it made you feel inferior. But it is important to look past his negative attitudes and see good in yourself!

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Thanks, sweet-scorpion.
I definitely have self esteem issues, but they've gotten better as I've grown into myself (5th House Sun?).

posted December 03, 2012 07:04 AM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
This sounds quite heavy and difficult... I hope you are OK. I am happy you see some positive in this, like the Saturn-NN aspect. It certainly does give you the drive to push on beyond your own limitations and difficulties... I have it myself and it gives me courage to move ahead too.

I definitely see you overcompensating for your father's lack of stability and presence by being so ambitious and working hard. This is not a bad thing... it just is what it is, with this kind of aspect. Usually with the conjunction we see someone like yourself, who sees one's father as failing, lying, troubled, and basically useless/not good enough for valid reasons [like drugs, a bum, etc.]. So the person takes it upon themselves to rise above and be even better, despite the hardship and sadness that can come with it. I always feel that's the remarkable thing about this aspect. Instead of just accepting the defeat their dads made them feel, these people rise above to become even better.

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Thank you so musch sweet-scorpion for your reply! I'm going throught the most difficult time in my life, and every way of support, like your positive comments, boost my confidence and keep me going

posted December 13, 2012 12:40 PM              

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
[b]THE PAIN [AND POSSIBILITIES] OF SUN-SATURN
©Sweet-Scorpion on November 11, 2012

What is it about Sun-Saturn stress aspects (in particular) that resonate such pain?

One of my favorite famous examples of how Sun conjunct Saturn (a very stressful and oppressing aspect like the Square) can manifest is Billy Corgan. Billy is the lead singer of the alt-rock group Smashing Pumpkins, and has the combination in the 7th house, and even worse, Saturn opposite ASC. Billy has attested that he suffered such intense abuse at the hand of his father that he would contemplate suicide and self-injure growing up.

Sun-Saturn usually exemplifies paternal pain. Sun-Saturn squares in the charts of men I've studied seem to go with a feeling like they have the ability and drive to be successful but worry they cannot or should not surpass their father; it is also a potential abuse aspect, or feeling like Dad was always toughest on you in the household.
The conjunction harbors a unique kind of difficulty and fragility beneath a rough surface. Many with this aspect will feel very oppressed and burdened by their father figure in life and this can carry into their views of other higher and/or male authorities. Their fathers likely treated them coldly or austerely at a young age, to say the least, and often this aspect resonates like the square of some degree of child abuse, or emotional abuse.

Although Sun-Saturn can cause shyness, depression, and insecurity about the self and identity (the Sun), Saturn always yields a reward for those who tackle the Mt. Everest in their lives. If one tries to push on, they will find they can combat their anxiety and issues of self-worth, and become successful in what they want to do. Not only that, but they could potentially become a respectable authority figure one day if they can utilize their instilled qualities of maturity. They can come off as wise and trustworthy, a peaceful 'old soul' type who others enjoy being around.

Has anyone dealt with a Sun-Saturn problem in their natal chart? How do you feel it personally manifests for you? Feel free to share.

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My boyfriend has Sun-Saturn square and Saturn Opposite ASC in the 6th house

Did I mention he has hard relationship with his stepdad, and he really hates his abusive real dad?

posted December 15, 2012 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by ShyVirgo1979:
I have sun conjunct saturn with a 2 degree orb...my father was physically abusive to me when I was 5. And he was pretty much in and out of my life after my parents divorced when I was 8 I believe. As a teenager I rem sometimes we were cool (WHEN I got to c him which wasn't much) and then other times he was in a rage. He threatened me when I was 14 and told me he would beat my a**....I rem going to school the next day and told the nurse I didn't feel good and laid there on the cot and just cried til she kicked me out lol I haven't spoken to him in 14 yrs now.

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posted December 16, 2012 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I've seen with Sun-Saturn people latent rage towards the father figure yet at the same time, sometimes, a desperate or subconscious attempt to reconnect with the father at the same time... you're always doing all the work though and it rarely works out. Divorce and the father slacking after is quite common with this too.

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Story of my life. Even after everything that happened and now we aren't talking, and he hasn't even called me, I feel guilty.

posted December 16, 2012 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Wow... that is an intense situation. And classic of the conjunction also. I'm very sorry that happened to you. I hope you are OK now. I've seen with Sun-Saturn people latent rage towards the father figure yet at the same time, sometimes, a desperate or subconscious attempt to reconnect with the father at the same time... you're always doing all the work though and it rarely works out. Divorce and the father slacking after is quite common with this too. You aren't the only one. What house, I'm curious, is the conjunction in?

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The conjunction sits in my 6th house. Does that make a difference? Yes I am doing much better. Its all good now well as good as it will ever be anyways. Thank you for your compassion. I finally dealt with the hidden and repressed anger I had towards my father over the summer. I can't believe I carried that guilt and anger around all these yrs. I am 33 now. I have an older brother on my father's side and I learned earlier this yr that he was the same way with him. He actually got it much worse than me. I can't rem my brother's exact bday or id pull up his chart and look for this same aspect.

posted March 28, 2013 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
It could manifest as having a dad who was always pushing you and pushing you, not abusively, but enough to limit your own self-esteem a little. I see a more positive manifestation for some people with this vs. the square or opposition. Just shows that one might be able to have the strength to move past their father's limiting views or if he made them feel inferior.

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posted August 03, 2013 10:01 AM            

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Originally posted by peregrine:
Absentee for me. Sun opposite Saturn.

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