posted June 20, 2013 10:07 AM            

Saturn is classic for throwing cold water on anything it touches. If it touches your Moon, you will be insecure about your feelings. One’s feelings are the deepest part of one.Hence, Moon/Saturn makes one insecure down to the core. If Saturn touches one’s Sun, one will doubt one’s ego and identity. Saturn/Sun will show up more in the work life.. Saturn /Sun would be classic for the man who can’t seem to be successful in work. He can’t seem to move to the top of the company. If he advances, he sabotages himself. He feels like a loser, so he designs life so he will lose. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.

Saturn conjunct angles can result in low self esteem in the particular angle it conjuncts. If it is the Asc, one may have something wrong with their appearance such as being too bony, tooth problems, bone problems resulting in a hunchback and/or a pervading sense of low self esteem. This would likely show to others. If Saturn conjuncts the IC, one may have had a cold unloving home. One may wear this scar on the inside. If Saturn conjuncts the DSC, one may be rejected by one’s mate. If Saturn conjuncts the MC, one may feel ( or be)rejected by society. I have seen this in men who feel they can never get ahead and are jealous of those who do.

If Saturn conjuncts a planet or asteroid, the person seems to be obsessed with it. If Saturn conjuncts Venus, one may be obsessed with finding love. If Saturn conjuncts Mars, one may be obsessed with goals. If Saturn conjuncts Nessus, one may be obsessed with the darkest part human nature. If Saturn conjuncts Echo, one may be obsessed with finding one’s voice. I have this. If you study my articles, you will see it to be true. If Saturn conjuncts Dejanira, one may be obsessed with being a victim or overcoming being a victim. One can find the nature of ay planet or asteroid and plug it in here. Low self esteem could result from the hardship of any of these. One good thing about Saturn is that it does get better with time. One must earn the advancement, though. If one really, really struggles with one’s Saturn, one can mature, leave the problems behind and develop a wisdom which is satisfying because it was so hard won.

Chiron conjunct the ASC seems to indicate severe bullying. This can leave a scar of low self esteem for life.

One of the hardest stelliums( three or more planets in a sign or house) is a 7th House stellium. This is because it is the house of ” the other”. The 7th house is the house of one’s partner. Hence, if one has many planets here, one may look to find one’s identity in one’s partner. This can lead to low self esteem because finding one’s identity in another is fraught with failure.

12th house planets may lead to low self esteem because they are so darn hard. I have many articles on them because they are fascinating to me. The 12th house is not of this earth. It is the house of the next dimension. People with a strong 12th house( many planets here) may not fit in this world. That can lead to low self esteem.

12th House planets are the single hardest thing one can have in the chart, according to some of the classic Astrologers. This does make sense. A 12th house planet is suppressed. The 12th house suppresses what resides therein. Think of your feelings being suppressed. This would be the Moon in the 12th. Think of not being able to take action because you are afraid of rejection. This is Mars in the 12th House. Think of having secret fetishes that you are ashamed to tell others. This is Uranus in the 12th house. Think of feeling like you sit on top of a volcano of primal feelings. This is Pluto in the 12th house. These natives may go so far as to have a double life.

The 12th House can be called the House of Hiding. Intimacy can be so very, very hard for the best of us. Letting another person see you are can be one of the scariest things in the world. For 12th house people, this is taken up many notches.. Low self esteem may result from the sheer frustration of trying to overcome 12th House planets.The 12th House must be overcome in a different way than Saturn. Saturn can be overcome by maturity on this earth. 12th house planets must be overcome by understanding of the next dimension, the dimension in which God lives. If you have a heavy 12th House, you are going to be a saint or a sinner. You will be a great one, at whichever one you chose. One thing you will not be is shallow. One thing you will not be is superficial. Your depth can be a gift to the world but you will have to fight to bring it out from hiding because hiding is what the 12th House does best.

This is not an exhaustive study of self esteem in the chart. That would take pages and pages. However, I think it is a start and something that may help you understand your own chart ..I eagerly await comments, as usual

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posted June 20, 2013 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by luisbunuel:
Oh dear! I have a seventh house stellium...

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Do you feel very co-dependent? Which planets are in the stellium?

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posted June 21, 2013 07:12 AM            

I have 3 planets , the sun, mercury and pluto in the 7th.

Merc+Pluto very tightly conjunct, by less than a degree.

Don't know the answer to the codependency question, but I would say that I am not what you would call a 'mingler'. I like my own company and people bore me, sometimes!

posted June 21, 2013 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
Oh wow, loving this article again, Ami!
Very insightful!

How would saturn & the sun in the same house, but not conjuct, effect this? Because I recognise the 'career sabotage' to an extent. Right on top, all highly promising, next moment: dropped, lol. It's in my 4th in Leo.

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Thank you Twirl! Sorry i didn't get back about house Rulers. I guess I got involved with other projects, so please forgive me

Saturn and Sun in the same house would be the interpretation by HOUSE and not conjunct but house is important. So, are these in the 4th House? if so, home is very important to you but your childhood home was cold. Is this true?

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posted June 21, 2013 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by luisbunuel:
Hello, Ami Anne.

I have 3 planets , the sun, mercury and pluto in the 7th.

Merc+Pluto very tightly conjunct, by less than a degree.

Don't know the answer to the codependency question, but I would say that I am not what you would call a 'mingler'. I like my own company and people bore me, sometimes!

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Ok, to me, I would think that you may tend to find your identity through others. Is that true? Do you feel powerless but get powerful partners>

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posted June 21, 2013 08:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Thank you Twirl! Sorry i didn't get back about house Rulers. I guess I got involved with other projects, so please forgive me

Saturn and Sun in the same house would be the interpretation by HOUSE and not conjunct but house is important. So, are these in the 4th House? if so, home is very important to you but your childhood home was cold. Is this true?

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Hi Don't worry about the house rulers. It is there if you want to try things out anytime. No 'must'

I'm not sure if I would describe it as 'cold'. My mum is actually very warm, but my dad had a high authoritive profession and was away long periods of time. It was very difficult when he got home. Because everyone felt 'disturbed' and we were tiptoeing around the house to find a new balance. And my family is the type to keep everything 'pleasant'. So not discussing anything that is bothersome. So I always happily join 'petty' family parties from my friends where the whole family drops in and even the tiniest pains/emotions,etc. get discussed and board games are on the table all night. I just love that!
And home is important to me in a sense I have a place I can withdraw. So my own home is very comfy and cosy. Does that make sense?

Thanks!

posted June 21, 2013 08:43 PM            

true for me - Saturn conj moon.

Saturn conj mercury and Mars in 12H are true too.

I can't relate to Saturn conjunction obssession though.

posted June 22, 2013 02:33 PM            

People think that I'm more like Capricorn than Cancer, lol.

My Sun & Moon are in 6th house.

posted June 22, 2013 04:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Everyone has this to some extent. In fact, those who appear not to often are just masking it. But luckily, self-esteem is something that can be built or rebuilt over time.

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Wonderful wisdom, Randall!

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posted June 23, 2013 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Thanks! If someone has never experienced low self-esteem at some point in their life, it would be rare. But some people have a deeper issue with it. It can be overcome, though.

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posted June 30, 2013 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Can you do aspects that indicates positive self esteem?

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Lets see. That is a great question. I would have to think about it, Juni. You could ask this question in Astr 2 and see what people came up with.

posted June 30, 2013 09:08 PM            

A strong Sun--conj Jupiter maybe or a Moon conj Jupiter

Saturn not pulling a person down in a close conjunction with the Sun, moon, venus or mars

A strong mars that can go after what it wants.

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posted June 30, 2013 09:55 PM            

Perhaps some of the really good Fixed stars would help.

I would think that the personal planets would have to have some good things conjunct them( or many of them would)

These would be the Sun, moon, venus, Mars, and mercury.

There could be some struggles but not such that the person gets a super low self esteem.

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posted July 01, 2013 08:37 AM            

This is a very good question, Juni, and great food for thought!

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posted July 02, 2013 07:00 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Thank you, good info! Too often we don`t investigate our positive qualities and we all have them. Sometimes, in life, we forget.

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Very good point, Juni. Thank you for the reminder! xx

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