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Topic: ASTROLOGY: Henry Tudor and Anne Boleyn
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted April 27, 2014 02:22 AM
  
Does it strike anyone as odd that a May5th birthday is @ 23+ Taurus? Is this due to precession, do you think? Or does the alteration to Gregorian calendar makethst much difference to the date? From what I have read the difference is only a few days, and yet 23 taurus is usually more like the 14/15 these days...looking forward to sitting at a desktop to peruse this tomorrow!IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted April 27, 2014 02:40 AM
Well apparently Ami has a different chart. Astrotheme have Anne's moon in Pisces not Libra, and not quincunx Henry's. Quite a different bird. I woukd love to say how much sense that makes to my understanding of Anne and her "witchy" reputation, but I don't trust astrotheme and i don't know where Ami gets her positions from.Astrotheme have Henry's MC and Anne's sun straddling Algol...now Anne did lose her head, fitting Algol's worst rep, but Henry didn't unless you are being metaphorical and even then there's room fir doubt... IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted April 27, 2014 02:40 AM
Also Astrotheme's chart put Anne's merc at least 15° from the sun, in gemini...Def not the same chart...though the conjunction of both Reguluses is in both...  It would be nice to be able to discuss the same info, but here is another indication that anne's birthdata are not exactly agreed upon. It would be great to know the date Ami is working from! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2014 08:29 AM
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/002816.html ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2014 08:30 AM
Anyway, my guess is that someone rectified the date I found on Google. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2014 08:43 AM
Cata
I told you that if you wanted to e mail me, I would give you the info. That still stands. You can take it or leave it. Thanks------------------
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 1805
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 27, 2014 11:02 AM
Well apparently tho Astrodienst have the same date the chart is more like what you have Ami. Is that where you are looking? Itold you, I don't have the set up to email from here. A simple yes or no would be nice butIf you want to keep your sources to yourself that's fine. My Scorp MC loves a mystery. In fact my first exposure to Anne was thru a book as a preteen which was all about the mystery/detective side of the historical process. Thank you so much for bringing this topic. I have a feeling the discrepancies in the charts may be due to the fact that when Anne e was born the Julian calendar was still in use, so I am off to check out the differenced. I'll be back to share what I find. As I mentioned, Ami, technology stands in the way of my emailing from here and especially on my phone. Nor, considering the way you go around the board warningpeople away from me, do I feel particularly open to private convos, to be honest. Maybe it was rectified and maybe the rectification was chosen because it fit...but I have seen that devolve into wishful thinking, people rerectifying every time they meet someone who would fit a different ascendant, for instance... But I am determined to find out why the same date leads to two different charts. Your help would have been appreciated, but you are right, it's more educational to do my.own sleuthing. I don't understand why you are resistant to the fact that unknown birthdates can never positively rectified without doubt, but that's your privilege. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx
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From: the Point of Light within the Mind of God
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 27, 2014 11:12 AM
Did you check out where there was a meteor in that John Dee?That had dates, it may help you to rectify that. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 1805
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 27, 2014 11:20 AM
I need a larger screen, more power and more windows for that Ellyn, it may be tomorrow before I can get to it but I shallIP: Logged |
Ellynlvx
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posted April 27, 2014 11:25 AM
Helpful to have an Astrologers account, I am sure.IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted April 27, 2014 11:58 AM
The phone just can't see much, and is way too confusing. I am looking forward to perusing it in a viable format.IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx
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posted April 27, 2014 12:14 PM
Gotcha.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2014 12:15 PM
My guess is someone rectified the dates and one main factor may have been Henry's Regulus conj Anne's ASC--exact.------------------
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Delilah423
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posted April 27, 2014 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Thank you so much for bringing this topic. I have a feeling the discrepancies in the charts may be due to the fact that when Anne was born the Julian calendar was still in use, so I am off to check ut the differences. I'll be back to share what I find.
That makes sense. As a genealogist and someone interested in the Tudor period since I was a young child, this topic fascinates me. And as a genealogist, the lack of source citation makes me nuts. Google is not a source; a link to the website on which her birth date was found would be. Not exactly hard or timeconsuming to do. EDIT: Catalina, if I remember correctly, the difference between the Julian and Gregorian calendar is about 2 weeks. EDIT 2: When Britain switched in 1752, they dropped 11 days from the calendar. And currently, the Julian calendar is 13 days behind the Gregorian. See:
http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/julian-gregorian-switch.html
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 1805
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 27, 2014 01:49 PM
Cool that looks a good link! Thanks, D!Ami, with all due respect, while Anne's asc being on Regulus is very encouraging, Henry's being there too is not. Where, for instance is your Regulus? I suppose I could be tactful and say nothing as on the other thread but as a math teacher once taught me, the quickeryou are, the more time you have to check your work... IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2014 02:09 PM
Anne's ASC is a very personal placement. That is the point.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2014 02:11 PM
In other words, Regulus may be fixed but Anne's ASC is not fixed. I thought this should have been obvious ------------------
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted April 27, 2014 02:27 PM
And I agreed with you. It is Henry's regulus being on her asc that is not significant. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2014 02:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Catalina:
And I agreed with you. It is Henry's regulus being on her asc that is not significant.
It IS significant because the Asc is a PERSONAL point for Anne. A person's ASC could be anywhere in the entire chart. Hence, anything touching that person's ASC is very, very important.Also, her ASC being conj Regulus is a PERSONAL point, too. Regulus may stay the same but the ASCs change!
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Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 1805
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 27, 2014 05:21 PM
How can I make this clear? I am not saying Regulus on her sac is not significant, tho a rectified chart putting it there would not be conclusive - to me- because the ascendant may have been chosen because regulus is there.On the other hand Henry's regulus being there is no more significant than mine or yours being there. Because it is not his Regulus, since it doesn't move. There is nothing personal about "his" Regulus being on
her sac IF that is her true ascendant. It seems quite
possible to me, since she was apparently quite regal in many ways even as a child. But it doesn't pin down her
actual birth date. I find your rundown very interesting, but if I am going to
study it for asteroid meanings or a demo chart, I would
rather know how the date was arrived at. Even people
who know their birthday and all the events of their
lives have trouble rectifying their time-less
charts...because more than one Ac will usually work in
the same life depending on how you look at it.. Having
done many miscalculations when I was learning to
erect charts by hand (pre computerized chart sites) I
have experienced this firsthand. For instance the first time I did my own I forgot about
daylight savings which changed the sign of my AC. Not
enough to throw the whole chart off but to significantly
alter it's flavor! So you might see how using the
different calendars, Julian and Gregorian, could create
a lot of mistakes? Historians do their own kind of rectifying, by going over
the time line of what IS known and figuring out what is
not recorded by deduction. I am more concerned with the accuracy of the birth
time and that is what I am trying to find out. My daughter has Regulus rising and while she is very "regal" in some ways the only thing she is queen of is her own house. Henry's Regulus is on her Asc too. IP: Logged |
Delilah423
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posted April 27, 2014 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:It IS significant because the Asc is a PERSONAL point for Anne. A person's ASC could be anywhere in the entire chart. Hence, anything touching that person's ASC is very, very important. Also, her ASC being conj Regulus is a PERSONAL point, too. Regulus may stay the same but the ASCs change!
Absolutely true. But without a known year of birth, let alone an exact date, time, and location, how do you know the ASC? If your answer is through astrological rectification, who did the rectification and on what did they base it? IP: Logged |
Delilah423
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posted April 27, 2014 05:31 PM
Catalina,We must have been posting at the same time. Looks like we're saying the same thing in different ways. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 1805
From: shamballa
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted April 27, 2014 05:31 PM
Your Regulus is on anne's ascendant too, Delilah. It is significant that anne's Asc is on Regulus, not the other way around. But only one point, as I tried to show by using my daughter as someone who also has this placement.In other words, double whammies do not apply with fixed stars unless both people have personal points involved. Interestingly Henry does not seem to have anything much on Regulus. IP: Logged |
Catalina
Knowflake Posts: 1805
From: shamballa
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posted April 27, 2014 05:34 PM
Lol ^IP: Logged |
Delilah423
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posted April 27, 2014 06:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Catalina:
Your Regulus is on anne's ascendant too, Delilah. It is significant that anne's Asc is on Regulus, not the other way around. But only one point, as I tried to show by using my daughter as someone who also has this placement.In other words, double whammies do not apply with fixed stars unless both people have personal points involved. Interestingly Henry does not seem to have anything much on Regulus.
Oh, duh. Now I get it. (I think). They're called fixed stars because they're fixed. IP: Logged |
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