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Topic: ASTROLOGY: Henry Tudor and Anne Boleyn
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted April 29, 2014 12:42 PM
  
.Took my own little historical journey last night into the past of LL. Very illuminating and reminded me of things .and people I had forgotten. Fascinating dynamics IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted May 02, 2014 09:27 AM
Anyway, I love your breakdown, Ami, it's just, well, if you are trying to show how Astrology is applied to the study.of this very well known relationship, it helps if you use the right people's charts.It has nothing to do with not liking anyone, but the Henry in this synastry of yours was Catherine of Aragon's first born son, who died shortly after being born. Not HenryVIII, his father. An innocent enough mistake; as I tried to point out when I mentioned how easily miscalculations can be made. Those early mistakes made me realize how easy it is to Justify when Rectifying, hence my aversion to rectified charts, though some people seem to do them well and it's a fascinating exercise in "what if's". IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 03, 2014 08:04 AM
I am finishing Wolf Hall and then onto the sequel and then onto 3 more books about the period  ------------------
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted May 03, 2014 11:57 AM
This site Ellyn mentioned has some good info tho it may not be romantic enough for your taste it is not too heavy reading, tho there's enough there to fill a couole of books it's broken down into bite-sized pieces  http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/anne/anne-boleyn-and-henry- viii/the-relationship-of-henry-viii-and-anne-boleyn/ IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted May 03, 2014 12:28 PM
A lot of people like to think Henry split from the Church for Anne's sake. Lust forpower, and the wealth he confiscated from the churches and abbeys, likely had a great deal more to do with it. Many historians see Anne as a pawn and excuse rather than a mover and shaker.Does your book discuss the fact that her sister was Henry's mistress before he moved on to Anne? Many think she refused because she didn't want to end up cast off and disgraced like Mary. Cromwell was also an interesting character, working for Wolsey while working behind his back to help undermine the Church's influence in England by helping make a non-Catholic queen, don't you think? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 03, 2014 01:58 PM
There are different interpretations of the motivations of the various people. Anne's sister had been around the block with a lot of people including Cromwell and even Henry after he was married to AnneIP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted May 03, 2014 02:07 PM
Yes a lot of liberties are taken with what facts are known, and filling in those that aren't. This goes on today with "news" that embellishes on what we can know and tries to imply what can't be known... In other words using gossip in place of facts to influence people.Or just plain amuse oneself...Don't know how mary, who left court when she got married, had such opportunities, but I suppose it's always possible...we can't prove otherwise. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 04, 2014 11:44 AM
I just finished Wolf Hall and started the sequel.
I don't think Wolf Hall was very good. She just plopped people in and you did not know who they were.
I see that in the sequel, she introduces all the players but you had to read about 600 pages of Wolf Hall and guess at many,many people and it was very frustrating.Did you read Wolf Hall, Cata? ------------------
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted May 04, 2014 12:07 PM
Nope, but from the reviews, including yours, it seems unlikely I will. Sounds like she assumed people knew the characters from history class...this is much more common knowledge in England where their history is at least as detailed as ours is here. An English schoolchild is not as familiar with our characters as we are..my daughter was lost when she entered American school in 7th grade!Who did you have to "guess at"? They weren't on
Google? Wondering if you have tried the synastry/composite with Henry VIII's data yet?
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted May 05, 2014 08:14 PM
Ellyn I couldn't find anything about a meteor...did it have something to do with Anne's birth perhaps?IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 05, 2014 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Nope, but from the reviews, including yours, it seems unlikely I will. Sounds like she assumed people knew the characters from history class...this is much more common knowledge in England where their history is at least as detailed as ours is here. An English schoolchild is not as familiar with our characters as we are..my daughter was lost when she entered American school in 7th grade!Who did you have to "guess at"? They weren't on
Google? Wondering if you have tried the synastry/composite with Henry VIII's data yet?
Exactly. There were too many people to Google. It was very confusing and frustrating.
However, in the sequel, everyone is named and his position shown, at the beginning of the book ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted May 05, 2014 08:23 PM
I am done with Anne and Henry but Cromwell is fascinating. He is sexy!------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted May 08, 2014 10:25 PM
http://www.theanneboleynfiles.com/anne/fall-articles/anne-boleyn-character-and-destiny/ Interesting about Anne that RH negative could produce one baby and the rest miscarried. Very sad but the more I read of her, she seemed like a sociopath. She seemed to have no empathy. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted May 09, 2014 07:45 AM
The sequel to Wolf Hall is much better. She lists the characters at the beginning. I had no idea who some were and was totally frustrated in Wolf Hall but now I know------------------
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted May 09, 2014 12:01 PM
Maybe ALL Henry's wives were flawed and that is why HE fathered no boys that lived past the age of 15? Biology lays the blame for all the stilborn, miscarried, and short-lived boys on the father, not the mothers. Of at least 4 different mothers he had not one male child that lived to maturity.And bis daughter, Mary, apparently couldn't bear healthy children either. Elizabeth was rumoured to have had a child with Robert Dudley but there's neverbeen any proof and it seems unlikely... Mary Boleyn, on the other hand, had healthy boy children IP: Logged |
Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted May 19, 2014 12:24 PM
I am done with Anne and Henry but Cromwell is fascinating. He is sexy!Pity. It would have been interesting to see if real life history panned out as text-booky as the fantasy. But I see you are more interested in the romance than the facts. Another day perhaps. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 19, 2014 01:10 PM
edit Trying restraint  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted May 19, 2014 01:55 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Catalina:
Maybe ALL Henry's wives were flawed and that is why HE fathered no boys that lived past the age of 15? Biology lays the blame for all the stilborn, miscarried, and short-lived boys on the father, not the mothers. Of at least 4 different mothers he had not one male child that lived to maturity.And bis daughter, Mary, apparently couldn't bear healthy children either. Elizabeth was rumoured to have had a child with Robert Dudley but there's neverbeen any proof and it seems unlikely... Mary Boleyn, on the other hand, had healthy boy children
Ha ha Miss Smarty pants. He had a another boy, Henry Fitzroy, from his one of his mistresses while he was married to Katherine 
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted May 19, 2014 02:20 PM
Yes sometimes it is wise to listen not rebuke. I am only bringing facts to the table. You call this history, which is not the same as romantic historical novels.Henry Fitzroy was one of the sons I was talking about and died at about 18. (not 15 as my memory incorrectly supplied)...He lived longer than any of the legitimate children, but apparently he was not as strong as the girls...Mary lived to be 40, which was not exceptionally short in those days especially for women who got pregnant late...and Elizabeth to 70. I will say AGAIN that your analysis at the OP is brilliant but the Henry it refers to was only lucky for Anne in that he died shortly after childbirth and helped Henry VIII argue his marriage to Catharine was "cursed"... Henry Fitzroy did not die in battle a healthy man. He - like all Henry VIII's boys - sickened and died at a young age. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 19, 2014 02:54 PM
edit I missed your compliment! I loeve compliments, so I am grooving out now
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Ami Anne
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posted May 19, 2014 03:54 PM
I will go back and check my original Henry chart. I can't believe I did not do it on Henry the 8th.------------------
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted May 19, 2014 05:33 PM
As I have said repeatedly. Henry Tudor b in 1511 was the shortlived son of Henry VIII born 1491 and Catherine of Aragon. I have also said that about your analysis of the synastry you posted at least three times now.However you were so busy seeing me as making trouble you didn't notice (as with most of our conversations) I was just pointing out facts. That is what I meant by letting your ego get in the way...another fact. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 19, 2014 05:47 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Catalina:
As I have said repeatedly. Henry Tudor b in 1511 was the shortlived son of Henry VIII born 1491 and Catherine of Aragon. I have also said that about your analysis of the synastry you posted at least three times now.However you were so busy seeing me as making trouble you didn't notice (as with most of our conversations) I was just pointing out facts. That is what I meant by letting your ego get in the way...another fact.
If I am wrong, I will admit it, Cata. I will look into the chart later lol
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Ami Anne
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posted May 20, 2014 04:36 PM
I found the best author Allison Weir. Man, she is sooooo good.------------------
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Catalina
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From: shamballa
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posted May 21, 2014 03:50 PM
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Henry_VIII,_King_of_England IP: Logged |
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