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StarLover33
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posted September 23, 2002 10:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone how is that we plan to study? I mean should we have a notebook or disk to save for refrence? Will we have homework? Do we all study at our own pace? Can we ask questions? How would you like us to participate?

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Randall
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posted September 24, 2002 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Study at your own pace. Join in at any time. Start whenever you want. Ask questions. Contribute. Talk about each Lesson. And homework will be available for those who want practical experience.

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"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark

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posted September 26, 2002 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Students can learn silently or can participate by contributing and/or asking questions. The Course is interactive. Hopefully, the different views of many Teachers will make the Course quite thorough.

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Auriel Langford
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posted October 01, 2002 04:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everyone should work on their own chart as we go through the course. If you have questions, feel free to ask and get input from others here. I'm also going to end every lesson with an assignment. I have chosen several birth charts for people and events that you can choose to work on. That way you can all have the same birth data to study and discuss together. If you choose one particular chart and follow it through the whole course, you will learn a great deal from it. I'll start a string for each particular birth chart so you can keep all the information together. Hope it'll help!

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Randall
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posted October 02, 2002 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having common charts to work on can be a great learning experience. I just want to add that each Teacher may also have homework of their own that they give out.

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StarLover33
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posted October 02, 2002 07:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My biggest concern is how will all of this stay organized?

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Cat
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posted October 02, 2002 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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stella polaris
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posted October 03, 2002 11:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just wondering about different house systems and if that will be discussed during the course? I'm Norwegian and born on almost 64 degrees north, a Norwegian astrologer recommended me to use the equal house system and I honestly think my chart fits much better with this house system than Placidus, not to mention the charts of my family and friends born far north. North of the Polar circle you can't use Placidus, the further north you get, the bigger a mess the chart looks like. Magnolia, being from Norway, too, might face this problem as well as any of you wanting to do the chart of your friend in Alaska or north-Siberia..But it seems like some astrologers are very much against the equal house system, though I never understood why...One American astrologer I asked about this insisted you can't do a chart when the sun doesn't rise, but Placidus doesn't work even those months when the sun both rises and sets...
I'd like your comments and inputs on this, I'd especially like to know WHY the equal house system isn't considered any good any more...And if there are any astronomers out there who could explain this...Thanks a lot!
Stella

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Cat
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posted October 04, 2002 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Stella
Hmm maybe that's more of an American theory re the Equal House System - I don't know.
Here in London the Faculty of Astrology (where Liz Green qualified as an astrology) use the equal house system. So do "The Parkers" in their astrology books.

I think the Equal House System is a good one to start out with - when you are first learning. After that you can then start to look at the other systems to see which you personally prefer - because that's what it comes down to in the end. Placidus is probably the most commonly used one at the moment but a lot of people also like Koch.

There are many different house systems - a lot of which are not at all popular.

You can basically divide the different house systems into 3 types......

Ecliptic
Space
Time

The Equal House system is an Ecliptic System.
Placidus & Koch are both Time Systems.
Campanus is an example of a Space System.

Hope that helps.
Sue

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Gregory
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posted October 04, 2002 10:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll throw my two cents in as to why the Equal house system is not popular with many modern astrologers, and that is simply that there is a strong feeling these days that we have to get "beyond" the more intuitive/mythic/symbolic approach of ancient astrology and become more "scientific" with all of the astronomical and mathematical tools available to us now that the ancients did not have.

The ancients simply divided the chart into 12 equal houses, for the same reason they divided the zodiac into 12 equal signs: because it was the clearest representation of the archetypes they were trying to present. Modern astrologers tend to want to distance themselves from this mythical/archetypal thinking and become more scientific, so they look at the fact that the ecliptic (where the signs of the zodiac lie) is in a different plane from the equatorial plane of Earth (where the planet turns in 24 equal hours each day) - and they note that since these planes are not identical, they don't mathematically map to each other in 1-to-1 correspondence. In the summer, for example, the Sun spends more time in the upper six houses than in the lower six (that is, there are more hours of daylight than night-time), while in the winter it is the opposite (for the Northern hemisphere). As a result, all these different house systems were developed to try to represent the houses more "accurately" from an astronomical point of view.

My own thought about this is that it is a misplaced emphasis on science. If this were supposed to be scientific rather than symbolic division, then the signs themselves should be divided unequally! That is, each contellation does not "really" take up exactly 30 degrees in the space surrounding the earth, some take up more and others less. Nonetheless the signs were divided equally because that best expressed the concept of the zodiac, and each sign was named for the constellation that "mainly" coincided with it at the beginning of the first great age. (Now, of course, they don't coincide even roughly because of the precession of the equinoxes!) To me it makes perfect sense to divide the houses equally according to the same reasoning: it accurately expresses the archetypal idea that there are 12 "departments" of life, none of which are more important than the others.

For that reason it doesn't bother me at all that the MC does not coincide with the 10th house cusp in the Equal house system -- which was the original impetus for the development of all the other house systems. If we think that the 10th house cusp MUST coincide with mid-day, then why don't we think that the 7th house cusp MUST coincide with sunset? But it doesn't, in ANY of the house systems (except on 2 days out of the year).

Linda Goodman was a traditionalist in this sense, which is why she used the Equal house system, as ALL astrologers did until the 1700's when Placidus was devised. In my own view, all of the alternate house systems that have been devised since then are attempts to solve a problem that doesn't really need to be solved, any more than the zodiac itself needs to be adjusted to "solve" the problem that the constellations are not really divided into 12 equal segments. Astrology uses both accurate scientific measurements AND symbolic constructs, and to me that's exactly as it should be!

Just my two cents on the subject -- I don't think the other house systems are "wrong" (any symbolic organization is useful, as long as it is consistent) just unnecessarily complicated for no really good reason.

Love,
Greg

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Cat
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posted October 04, 2002 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Greg
Thanks for your explanation. You know, as I logged off after posting earlier, I thought I should have also said that I'm sure Greg will cover this for everyone...and voila you did
Sue

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Randall
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posted October 04, 2002 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great explanation, Greg!!!!!!

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stella polaris
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posted October 07, 2002 06:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you! Especially to you, Greg! I've asked this question sooooo many times and now FINALLY I got an answer that makes sense!

What about the interpretation of MC and the 10th house? OK, the 10th house wil still be the house for career, social status, I presume, but what about MC?

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Cat
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posted October 07, 2002 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Stella
Not long to go now - then you will have all the answers you need

The course starts next week
Sue

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Randall
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posted December 19, 2002 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To the top!

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