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posted December 02, 2004 09:41 AM            

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Sana,

Hi sweetie, I'm playing catch-up and saved you only because, besides myself, you seem to have the most retrogrades. Retrograde Planets make you go inward, you see/sense things that are just below the surface.
This will be the thread we'll be working from

Lets start with Jupiter RX,

(Erin Sullivan)

The separation of the Sun and Jupiter when it is retrograde is balanced almost perfectly between the stationary-retrograde trine and the stationary-direct trine. As soon as Jupiter makes the first trine, moving into the opposition zone from the Sun, it is within only a few days of actual station and virtually motionless.

Of all the retrograde positions, this one seems the least malefic, if only because of the diversity of its possible external expression. The polymorphic nature of the God Jupiter, his depth and breadth of influence, all contribute to the difficulty in isolating characteristics and definitive traits to assign to the astrological planet. Most of Jupiter's keywords and traits are abstract and philosophical, easily translated into a variety of expression and not easily delineated. This is partly due to the fact that Jupiterian traits transmute through cultural eras, and its influence seems to change with social fluctuations and beliefs. For instance, what is thought of as 'Bohemian' in one culture is another culture's easy peasant life. Likewise, Bohemian in one era might become middle-class in the next generation. Even though, as the supreme deity of the Greek pantheon, Jupiter's position was absolute and his word ultimate, the implicit rules that cultures and societies embody always fluctuate with teh religious and moral ethos of the time. Boundaries and definition in the form of creeds and laws do change.

The relationship between the Sun and Jupiter is naturally supportive and complementary - indeed, we find that Jupiter / Zeus was a dispenser of laws, representative of Helios, just as Apollo was. The Sun appears to collude more happily with Jupiter, even when in quincunx or opposition! Jupiter's role in the development of the ego might well be to overinflate it periodically in order for it to experience limits and mortal definition.

The strongest common threads found in horoscopes with Jupiter retrograde are: a split social or religious background; a revolutionary parent; a restless, unsatisfied home background, or one in which social status was acutely important, either positively or negatively; an overinflated sense of adventure or valour; tunnel vision about education, either feeling inferior intellectually or being obsessed with research or single-focus education; passionate identification with tribalism.

Jupiter retrograde is frequently found in the charts of those who respond to an instinctive sense of justice, one at odds with the family's idea of proper behaviour. They find they must leave their birth background, sometimes literally emigrating or abandoning their cultural surroundings, to find their own, personal 'tribe'.

Both trine aspects promote an easygoing type of person, one who feels gifted in some way and frequently is. An inner sense of propriety and righteousness may occasionally manifest as complacency and lack of ambition, a preference for allowing the gods 'to will it', rather than to work assiduously at long-term projects. The deep inner knowledge of being privileged, if not balanced by more humble features in the horoscope, emerges through the personality as the 'special one' or the 'divine child'. Being internally confident of support from the immortals can result in hubris - overextension of one's true boundaries and an exaggerated sense of omnipotence.

The opposition of the Sun to Jupiter manifests in inflation, where the Sun's power as a vehicle for the ego is magnified, and feelings of omnipotence charge the system. The manic phases are often balanced by the extreme opposite - an inordinate sense of inadequacy or, positively, humility. The moral tone can be quite vibrant in the Sun-Jupiter opposition, but the undertone may be fear. Out of this anxiety can arise great work and tremendous courage and optimism; a solid, working faith in a supreme deity or power; and the capacity to inspire others by transferring an inner spirit across matter. Humour, a form of cosmic healing, is not unavailable to Jupiterians who recognize their relative unimportance in the greater scheme of things.

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posted December 02, 2004 12:06 PM              

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wow...wow...that explains a lot..i was kinda relieved to find my sun jupiter opposition is not bad.

split social or religious background -yes
revolutionary parent - yes
a restless,unsatisfied home background
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tunnel vision about education, either feeling inferior intellectually or being obsessed with research or single-focus education-exactly what i ve been feeling.

instinctive sense of justice, one at odds with the family's idea of proper behaviour-thats me alright...

thanks linda...thanks a lot...n i cant wait to know bout the remaining 4 rx planets..
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posted December 02, 2004 04:11 PM            

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Sana,
Heres Retrograde Saturn and Uranus

(Mohan Koparkar)

The retrogradation of Saturn creates an awareness of self-limitation. The native identifies inner phobias, insecurities, and individual liabilities. However, he has strong self-protective and self-preserving instincts. Life does not always start rosy for him, or he may feel he is in a wrong family. family difficulties, coping with the tradition and authority, make him feel inferior. As a result, inferiority complex gathers within. Building a protective cover for his circumstantial hurt relieves stresses for a while. However, he has to prove himself out in the world, for his own sake. Here, the over-compensation of self-assertiveness to justify his own ego is noticed. This duality of personality can make him very timid at times, but he has the capability to be a roaring lion. He respects an authority, even though he resents the person behind it in the hope of being an authority some day in teh future. Problems with the father are visible. Either he has to compete with him viciously, or he tries very hard to be totally different from him. In a woman's chart, a domineering father forces her to be thick-skinned but quite mellow inside. However, in many cases, she replaces him with a husband that is just like her father. Downfalls and intense recovery in professional goals are seen. The native has to work hard to achieve his objectives, but at the same time his ascent to the top is very complex. Fears, phobias, superstitious tendencies and pessimism are closely associated here. The native can be very introverted and spend significant amounts of time in his life in isolation, seclusion, or in making a comeback strategy. Persistent stubbornness is noticed, but his authority and ruling over tohers are not long-lasting. Blaming the circumstances, complaining of the injustice and hiding under the non-existent luck can be seen here. Substantial learning lessons in life are noticed here; and the second third of life can be the most active period in his achievements. Dealing with family responsibility and making sure one does not unload something similar to one's offspring is noticesd here. Due to circumstances, and often from his own doing, he feels humiliated by others. This may all be in his own mind, as most of this ill-fated humility comes from his self-punishing attitude. Masochism and frustrations from over-estimations are seen. A sense of security, stability, and foundation is very important to him, but he has a hard time maintianing that in life.

Retrograde Uranus

(Bil Tierney)

For those able to respond to Uranus retrograde natally, the workings of the intuitional sense can be very potent. However, because of greater unconscious attunement implied by retrogradation, intuition may operate so readily and rapidly that the individual might not objectively perceive its activity as something apart from his normal waking consciousness. He may take its existence for granted and thus could even cope with it better (his ego structure is less threatened by it). In general, the individual's potential uniqueness, genius, or even eccentric behaviour is likely to be held back from full expression in the outer world. Yet such qualities are apt to be more acutely experienced inwardly by the more self-awakened soul. He is prone to react on deeper, less obvious psychological levels in a more self-willed, rebellious, and defiant manner than he outwardly shows. He may actually be more intrinsically radical, unconventional, or original in outlook than is apparent. Thus, most would assume that this person is more orthodox and conservative (or more normal and ordinary by most social standards) than he subjectively knows himself to be. He closets much of his potential for colorful individuality. The normally disruptive force of electrified Uranus is less focused upon outer realms of experience, but instead concentrates upon the inner planes of consciousness... providing the individual with sudden insights that enlighten him to first reform from within. It is almost as if the individual is unconsciously attempting to throw light upon pre-conditioned attitudes developed in past life cycles and, through such insight and illumination, strive to free himself from binding pre-structures (especially of thought). Until he sufficiently can accomplish this, he repeatedly tends to turn attention away from overt involvement in progressive activities that could help change the social nature of current life affairs. His sense of future vision first depends upon successfully confonting and reforming elements of his own past. Thus, this is the more introspective, self-revealing Uranus. It is less driven to actively play the outer role of social activist.

If catalystic Uranus retrograde should receive frictional aspect contacts from other natal planets, this individual may be uncomfortable with whatever triggers his rebellious impulse to unexpectedly tear down established structure. He may be at odds with himself, perplexed as to why he stirs up disorganization in his affairs (according to the house position). In this case, outer conditions symboilze the readiness for inner chaos. Sudden, unsettling changes in attitude are here stimulated from the unpredictable stirrings of one's own unconscious self rather than from stimuli in the external environment. If anything, situational affairs become those appropriate symbols needed to objectify changes undertaken by the inner nature. THe outer circumstance itself is less important than the inner significance of that circumstance for this person. Expect unexpected explosiveness with this placement from time to tim, since pent-up nervous tension finds fewer outer channels compared to Uranus direct. Volatile reactions appear to come out of the blue with no rational explanation (although often with subjective meaning for the individual so aroused). Of course, in some cases, this could mean that the individual is less understood in his personal expression of Uranian traits (which already are not easy for most to appreciate) than one with Uranus direct, since he is catalyzed from within. His outer actions could seem even less appropriate for the occasion, and often are only comprehended (to some degree) by the individual himself. Wherever his special atlent or brand of genius is to be found, this individual is likely to make even more radical departures from the norm, since he revolutionizes from a more subjective point of view that is uniquely his and his alone. This condition, in fact, could easily suggest uniqueness-plus.

The group of souls who incarnate together with Uranus retrograde may collectively find themselves karmically gravitating towards whatever first prompts them to restructure and reform their inner selves more thoroughly before they attempt to discover how to best revolutionize society at large. Initially, they may find themselves psychologically pulling away from the established order of things around them in an attempt to first explore their own inner nature. Remember that these individuals, being intently concerned with knowing their own individuality first, often feel polarized or alienated by the social standards tto which they nevertheless are expected to submit. Their desire is to know internal freedom before they work towards advancing social freedom. The inner path of liberation they tend to follow may therefore seem counter-productive to what society wants or demands from such a generation. realize that these broad, sweeping statements do not apply to each and every member of this group but to those select few who are able to connect more directly with Uranian forces. For those who have learned to pay closer attention to the unfoldment of their individuality while also learning to broaden their impersonal goals and aspirations for society, Uranus retrograde can inspire these souls (often in an apolitical manner) to bring startling revelations and original throught to the awareness of the world concenring the expansion of human potential. Still, any sense of gaining relevant social insight first comes from being able to be enlightened from within. The individual is driven to awaken himself according to his own uncommon self-vision and at his own special pace. Although sometimes appearing highly active and vital in group affairs promoting social idealism, this individual is still inwardly prone to feel apart from the crowd he supports, more concerned about following the guidance of his inner self.

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posted December 02, 2004 04:53 PM            

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Sana,
Here's Retrograde Neptune and Pluto

Retrograde Neptune

(Martin Schulman)

Neptune's symbol is formed by the Crescent of Soul ascending from the Cross of Matter. The horizontal line of the Cross falls closer to the bottom of the figure, suggesting almost an inversion of the Cross symbol, as it seems to be falling away from the rising Crescent of Soul. Here, the formless lifts from the formed, as the Soul's sincere desire rises above the lesser importance of matter. Much like spiritual waters above the earth, the symbol represents the dissolving of matter that no longer needs to be crystallized.

It is interesting to note that the inverted Cross bespeaks of matter dropping away into lower worlds. This is in great measure descriptive of the mystical qualities of the planet.

When Neptune is Retrograde, the Cross appears upright through the inverted symbol, and the individual is more aware of his Soul as the Crescent of Soul appears closer to the earth plane. There develops a powerful inner need to approach all material things in the world in terms of their deepest significance to the Soul. In a sense then, the Retrograde Neptune may indeed give the individual the opportunity to express a very advanced stage of evolution, since it forces him to live in this world, but not be of it.

The personality of the individual with Retrograde Neptune is not easily understood by others. His motives do not possess the comon sense that one expects to be at the root of all motivation. Instead, he vibrates to a higher music, heard only to himself. His perceptions do not come from his material plane, but are a direct connection with his Soul. Thus, he can be highly spiritual but cares little for the formed side of orthodox religion. He can have a great love for music, but cannot ascribe to any definite man-made structure within it. He senses practically everything, but he relates his senses much less to physical reality than to his perception of a cosmic universe. He knows much more than he could ever put into words, for here again he realizes the limiting qualities of language as being but just another formed boundary which could encircle his infinite understanding. He is able to see the appearances and illusions that others live in, and therefore has to try to make the best bargain between not toppling their sand castles, while retaining all the inner truthes he knows.

The individual with Retrograde Neptune is living through the Karma of learning how to sort out that which is real in terms of his ideals, and that which gives the appearance of fulfilling his dreams. He knows what he needs but has difficulty finding it in the external world. Constantly living one dream after another, he often winds up running from imaginary shadows, while chasing unrealistic fantasies. Still, he must find his ideals in the world of 'no form' which has such a strong hold on him. He sometimes makes the mistake of projecting past dreams into present situations. This does not allow him to see the reality of the present clearly. He is highly intuitive, and through the different Retrograde Phases he is often able to know the outcome of situations long before he gets into them. But until he learns how to cope with the subtle flow of Neptunian energy that he feels within himself, he does not easily trust his intuition.

These individuals must learn how to integrate their senses with the ideals and dreams that they bring into this life. Instead of trying to distort perceptions in order to make the present fit the past, there must be an awareness of what parts of the present truly symbolize the parts of the past that are karmically incomplete.

Retrograde Pluto

(Mohan Koparkar)

The retrogradation of Pluto is quite common in many cases. Pluto's generational impact brings a dualistic strategy in them. As a result, working with plans and counter-plans is very significant. This multitude of strategies is important as a fail-safe mechanism for them. Getting a pleasure out of creating a strategy is more important than its actual execution. Public opinion can be fairly divided in this case, as the thinking process takes into account rebellious and anti-rebellious tendencies. An underdog appeal, at times, remains hidden for them. No matter what the chain of strategy can be, the last-minute action may or may not coincide with the plan. Plutonian qualities enjoy a sense of penetration. Here, due to retrograde phenomonon, the native will try to justify why he needs to go under others' skin. Justifying the detective logic has the utmost importance to him. he can psychologically evaluate a person, but the findings remain unknown to him until he comes to a state of self-explanation for its reason. This inderct evaluation of others helps him in many ways in terms of his objective opinions. The native enjoys instigation more than usual; but at the same time, he will avoid taking the credit for it. Combined resources may cause a clash of values. Thus, in his life time, he would learn the pros and cons of self-worth and together values independently. The native may not want to be a front runner as he ahs a difficult time accepting the negative response from others. In political or bureaucratic situations, he can be best suited for power behind the scene. His advising capabilities can be much more helpful to others than to himself. For his calculated risks, he often insures himself against the worst possibilities. However, due to universal injustice, that special insurance poslicy can be his weakest design. As a result, when he is counting upon that last thread and support, he may not get it. For his best, he is better off never to need to use his ultimatum.

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posted December 03, 2004 02:56 AM              

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hi...
thanks again...i ll have to read this n reread this before i fully grasp the meaning n implications..a lot of information to digest...but i m enjoying this...all my retro planets are in house 2(sag) and 12(libra).does this signify anything?

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posted December 03, 2004 11:11 AM            

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yes Sana that is a lot of info to absorb.
When we cover house placement of the planets we'll discuss your 12th and 2nd house placements

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posted January 13, 2005 12:59 AM              

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hi...
glad you are back LLL n now i m back too...after this long break m feelin kinda lost...are we doing the house placements now? i ve read the retro planets a lot of times n now i think i understand them pretty well...thanks LLL...

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posted January 13, 2005 02:59 AM            

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Hi Sweetie,
you've got a pretty tight Sun/Mars conjunction in the 8th house lets start there.

Sun conjunct Mars

(Karen Hamaker-Zondag)

Two active planets join forces here, signofying a ready identification of the self (Sun) with ambition, executive ability and leadership (Mars). Often the individual is rather pugnacious, competitive and fond of sport. Such a fiery combination as the Sun and Mars can make for great liveliness and enthusiasm. There is a capacity for hard work and the native's sights are set on solid achievement - also on the honors that go with it.

Mars is inflammable and, when conjunct the Sun, can give a very volatile personality. The native is excitable and subject to bursts of enthusiasm; sometimes being short-tempered and agressive into the bargain. Because Mars is uncompromising, the individual is one of those go-getting, turbulent people who display scant consideration for others and are intent on making the most of their own opportunities. The person with a Sun / Mars conjunction pulls no punches and is not easily thwarted. But, though quick to flare up, he or she is not usually one to bear a grudge.

The Sun conjunct Mars frequently opens up opportunities in sport, but the native also treats everyday life as something of a sporting event. Excellent outlets are sports such as boxing, fencing, wrestling, or sports that require explosions of energy. Frequently there is a fondness for high-risk sports and for sports demanding courage and speed. The Sun conjunct Mars can warn of violence, but only when there are insufficient outlets for the enormous amounts of energy generated by this aspect.

People with this conjunction know where they stand and are not afraid to make their position clear. Others may be apprehensive of them because they seldom mince words. The native is more forceful than he or she realizes, and unintentional and unwanted ruptures with others can occur. So restraint is advisable, especially as there is a tendency to act before thinking.

(Betty Lundsted)

This aspect should be read in the context of other aspects that involve the Sun-Mars conjunction. Mars heats up everything that it touches, so it tneds to give energy and spontaneity. When Mars conjuncts the Sun, the personality is acted out; it can be volatile; it can be quick to act and react. WHen reading this aspect it's important to remember in what sign the conjunction takes place in order to evaluate how the energy will express. Mars adds intensity to the Sun so there is a stronger vitality than without the presence of Mars. Well aspected conjunctions of Sun and Mars give added energy, but, when other planets are involved, how those aspects affect the SUn must be considered.

One thing to remember Sana is when dealing with Mars in an air sign (especially Gemini) is that they're aggresive mentally/verbally, and rarely do they get physically aggressive. All thaT Gemini makes you quite a clever wit. You appreciate a progressive mind/thinker.

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posted January 16, 2005 01:51 AM              

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hi LLL,
i played chess since i was a baby...i ve got 16th place in national level u-14 tournament n 4th place at state level..
my first coach was a taurean..his motto was slow n steady n defending until the end game will win you the game...i had no patience n always went GO GO GO ATTACK...n end game in the middle game..my second coach was a libran...he was awesome..he realised i loved the adrenaline rush n taught me to play rapid chess n blind chess n taught me to attack..
but i could not bear to lose...i wud b crushed n get frustrated n think bout it till i fell sick...i wud mope around n take it as a personal failure..it was like losing someone close to u...ugh...it got so bad that i quit...
now i m just scared of starting again...i cant play a friendly match...i play to win n my hands shake n my heart thumps n i turn red...but now there is no excitement in my life n i miss it...
how well the mars n sun conj in gemini explains all this..it always amazes me that astrology can b this accurate..thanks LLL...

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posted January 16, 2005 01:58 PM            

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you're welcome Sana
So chess is your passion,
funny thing about lessons, were apt to repeat them untill we get them right.
your reluctance to play again is part of that lesson. You need to learn to play for you,(as a Gemini, you can do this) not to just win but to enjoy and challenge your mind. You need to be able to lose without feeling bad. It needs to be fun. It can't stress you out before you even start, or you haven't learned that lesson yet. get it? as long as its a problem you need to work on it.

It doesn't surprise me that you've been able to master such an exellent mental game as chess, as you know, with chess you have to be 2 or 3 steps ahead with a back-up plan just in case, a lot of mental concentration perfect for a Gemini

Part of the inner frustration you feel is because of Uranus closely opposed to your Sun/Mars

Mars square or opposition Uranus (Charles Carter)

Here we get a good deal of self-will and eccentricity. There is no lack of energy, but it is often fitful and ill-directed, and the native is often a relative failure, being unable for some reason to make as good use of his talents as might reasonably be expected. Ill-temper is common, but is not always present; sometimes there is a tendency rather to fretfulness and erratic self-will; the native may be blunt and abrupt, or irritable and querulous. Sometimes the nervous conditions lead to shyness and retirement. The native is often what is known as edgy or cornery, and is frequently not well fitted for ordinary existence; it is distinctly unfavourable for married life or for any restricted or ordered way of living, but it is not an aspect which as a rule indicates any essential ill-nature or vice.

Like all combinations which create a desire for freedom and unrestriction, this often externalises in the shape of suicidal tendencies, the native being unfitted to brook patiently the check and delays that occur in most walks of life. Patience is a virtue that is seldom present, and humility is also rare. The native is likely to scorn diplomacy and any kind of manoeuvring, and is prone to throw up the sponge as soon as this is called for. In a word, he wants his own way at all costs.

As we have mentioned before, there are often attacks on the native's morals or honour, and sometimes there are direct assaults on his person, provided other more vital points are afflicted as well.

Accidents are not infrequent, and these aspects do not make for longevity, for there is seldom much placidity with Mars-Uranus; and the ability to acquiesce cheerfully and readily in the dispensation of Providence is not often very noticeable. There is often a disposition to take risks, and to overwork.

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posted January 17, 2005 10:27 AM              

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pretty sad but true.i should learn that lesson..lots of areas to work on...but still this uranus opp isnt all that bad as is described...mayb to the extent that i got frustrated n quit n there is a long list of things i ve quit...i was a magician..gave up coz i felt i was cheatin ppl..been good at studies n now my first job is workin at a factory manufacturing magic props and toys under my dad....job is real bad n m not happy but stickin on fer past 8 months...
but i never felt like a loser...just feel my life has been very very excitin...m not shy either...there was a time in my teens when i contemplated suicide but that was only coz i was so foolish..nothin ll make me feel that again...i dont know...mayb the uranus opp is not so significant in my chart because of other planetary influences n mayb also as uranus is retro maybe it slightly changes things...
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posted January 17, 2005 01:31 PM            

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Sweetie,

You don't have a suicide chart, Thank God. In fact you have no transits that are that rough right now.

When you're born, you take a picture (figuratively) of where the planets are at that moment and that is your natal chart, kind of like your astrological thumbprint. The planets don't actually stop at that point they keep going and from this, they are called transits, as the planets move they continue to aspect your own natal planets. Right now the closest you have to a hard aspect is Transiting Uranus moving into position to make the T-square with your Sun/Mars and Jupiter/Uranus. Nothing to worry about, Jupiter will be aspecting your Asc. Whenever Uranus is involved in Transits it ends up "freeing" you, this happens in the most unexpected ways

from Soulfood Astrology

If URANUS is transiting your birth chart, things may appear to be coming apart at the seams. You may be increasing your awareness and feeling especially alive, even in the midst of chaos. Events may happen “out of the blue,” resulting in a shock to your established world and the need for quick adjustments to new realities. You may feel restless or rebellious, wanting to throw everything over and start again. You may have inspiring flashes of insight and short-term but rejuvenating associations with people. Key Uranus transits typically occur in the teen years, early 20s, and early 40s. You can manage Uranus transits best by expressing your individuality and making changes without “throwing the baby out with the bath water.”

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posted January 18, 2005 05:06 PM            

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Hi Sana,

We're working on Mercury right now, yours makes 2 aspects a trine to the Moon, and a sextile to Venus. how nice

Moon trine Mercury (Betty Lundsted)

This trine indicates a mother who easily communicates her feelings and is interested in dealing with her child. This forms the individual who has the trine into an adult who enjoys relating, who enjoys the social graces and sharing both thoughts and feelings. It bestows an intuitive creativity, an interest in expressing the emotional self.

However, this aspect can be outweighed by afflictions from stronger planets to the Moon. For example, if Mercury trines the Moon but Saturn squares it, the Saturn aspect will be the stronger one, especially in the early years. This type of combination will indicate that the child had a good talking relationship with the mother, but not with the father.

Mercury conjunct or sextile Venus (Betty Lundsted)

When these two planets are tied together by aspect, it indicates that the mother of the person has had an influence on the ability to communicate. It can indicate a person who enjoys communication, who may be involved in the arts, in literature, in appreciating the beauty in the world. It may also indicate a person who loves to talk.

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posted January 19, 2005 08:34 PM              

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hi LLL...

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"Key Uranus transits typically occur in the teen years, early 20s, and early 40s.":

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you are right about the uranus transits being hard in the teens... thats when i was rebellious like i never was n probably never will again...i left home when i was seventeen...fought with mom...did my own thing...now i cant imagine myself like that...that was when i quit chess n magic too..
right now i m 21 so its still early twenties n right now i m contemplating running away from home again..lol...i work under dad n its getting bad n he is against my doin mba n i ve a good offer...but fighting with dad n convincing him is like almost impossible.i think i ll go anyways...

i did have a very good talkin relationship with mom but with dad its been strange...he is too bossy...libran with sag moon.i do find talkin to kids very very refreshing n i dont have any of my own but i intend to have lots n adopt a few if pos...

thanks LLL
you are the best teacher i ever had

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posted January 30, 2005 12:27 AM              

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hi...
i still find it so hard to read charts
i keep doing things wrong.anyways.i was wondering about my 2 stelliums.what is their significance?one of them is in sag house 2 with all three jupiter,uranus and neptune retro.it must mean something.
And here is something i want to clarify
jupiter denotes prosperity and luck.so in different houses it denotes prosperity of what that house stands for.my jup is in 2nd house. does that mean i m lucky in matters relating wealth? i must be sounding real ignorant and beginnerish(i made a word ) but i m so curious. also what does jup in pisces meanalso in 12th house?(my jup is in sag,jup in pisces is my sisters chart)
i have tons of questions.but those will have to wait until later..hopin to hear from u soon.
for you.
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posted January 30, 2005 02:33 PM            

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Oh Sana you're doing great, reading charts isn't something you can do right away, there is so much info to absorb and get the feel for. You're where you're supposed to be right now.

Your stellium involves Chiron so I hesitate to delineate it, but I will (I want to do some double checking)

Jupiter in the 2nd house is good for money, possessions and wealth you will accumulate, thats always a nice planet placement to have.

Right now we're on Venus. Yours is not aspected very well but then neither is mine. It doesn't deny love but it makes you work for the important things (it has nothing to do with romance). To be honest I kind of always felt like I was not being serious enough and on the verge of laughing but experience has taught me that, that is a terrible thing to do. (nervous laughter) As a Gemini, you know what I'm talking about

Venus square Saturn (Betty Lundsted)

Here the mother and father present an influence to the individual during his formative years that makes it difficult to develop any sense of self-worth. In order for an androgynous personality to develop - a personality with the masculine and feminine principles in balance - the parents must offer an image that can help build the concept. A feeling of self-worth is created by the constructive union of the masculine and feminine principles. The square aspect indicates that the images are at odds.

Venus indicates the effect of the mother and Saturn that of the father on the person's developing psyche. When these two planets are in a square aspect, the parents are at odds with each others and the effect on the person during childhood is a weighty one. People with this aspect don't know how they feel about men or women, warmth and affection (Venus), or authority and the ability to execute a personal sense of order in the live (Saturn). 'Is love frivolous?' they ask. 'Or, are men against women and vice versa?' This person carries an unconscious memory of Mom and Dad against each other, and this puts a feeling of apprhension in every relationship. Many internal or even subconscious apprehensions may ocur because the parents didn't express affection in a healthy manner. These people often get into role-playing marriages; they merely live with the partner but don't really share emotionally.

The aspect can cause a lonely feeling; pessimistic thoughts about love are similar to the Venus-Saturn conjunction. Here again, we see the person who was deprived of the kind of love he needed, or one who was deprived of possessions that his parents didn't understand his attachment to. These people do not enter into relationships easily; nor do they work well or co-operatively when relationship compromises must be handled.

When attempting to break the power of this aspect, the individual has to stop looking for guarantees; he must learn to give confidence to his partner as well as look for it from the partner. More comes from a relationship when the 'insurance policy' ideas are abandoned. Any personal behavior that seems to be motivated by 'my parents handled life this way' should be questioned because it may be an imitation of an unhealthy family pattern that will also create the same problems in the children he parents.

The person born with this configuration comes from a bleak childhood. He didn't have a chance to learn how to give or how to receive, for it wasn't done by the parents. The aspect can be overcome by deciding to learn how to give, how to appreciate, how to cake a chance in a love relationship, how to work through a compromise without a feeling of loss. When these things are learned, then the hardness of the aspect goes. It is much like taking a course in French or German: you start at the beginning and learn the subject.

Venus square or opposition Pluto (Karen Hamaker-Zondag)

Very strong emotions are found in hard aspects between Pluto and Venus. The intensity of the feelings and the need for depth and keen involvement are strongly developed. Pluto encourages the placid Venus to look for more, to develop a relationship and leave the superficial level. The all-or-nothing attitude is the same as it is in the conjunction, and, in many instances, is expressed as strongly.

Whenever this person makes friends or falls in love, feelings are intensified by Pluto and, generally without realizing it, he or she imposes him- / herself on the other person. Simply by an attitude, he or she holds the other in a grip, even though this is not the intention. But the uncertainty typical of the tense aspects is aggravated here by a hunger for more, so that this individual is seldom content with what he or she has. Pluto's pile of unconscious facts is not the best foundation on which to build a happy personal relationship. The person unintentionally toys with others. The relationship becomes a journey where he or she tests inner strength, and the partner is set up as a quintain to tilt at.

The individual can do well by moving within a fairly large circle where he or she attracts attention in one form or another, and generally finds it easy to lose him- or herself in sexuality. But with the hard Venus / Pluto aspects, before he or she can function reasonably well in a relationship, he or she needs to pass through a number of confrontations that will modify behavior.

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posted February 04, 2005 09:33 PM              

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right again...i dint even realise this until u told me.but it is true.i m bad at giving and receiving..my parents got separated when i was just a baby..mayb i was 5 years old.i ve a high inferiority complex.n again i keep looking for insurance policies...
i m seldom content with what i have..i feel its not enough or not great.i ve this thing in me that if i could do it then anybod cud do it...whatever it mayb n if i cant then i m pathetic.
n about that nervous laughter,do i know what u mean???OMG!!!i ve an interview this month on 25th to get into a mba school and i m scared stiff n m worried about making a fool of myself n blowing it,n its these things that trigger the nervous laughter and silly jokes that shoot first register later.lol...
hey Lll can u tel me if 25th n 26th of this month is good for me?this is very imp for me...
thanks for teaching me all this..i realise i ve a long way to go,sorry bout my impatience..i ll work and take as much as i m supposed to...thanks for being my guru...

sana

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posted February 09, 2005 12:07 PM            

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Dear Sana,
You're such a sweet girl its such a pleasure teaching you, thank you Sana.
This month, in fact as we speak your progressed moon is 27 degrees Libra conjunct Saturn and Pluto in the 12th house.
This is heavy duty, coming from the 12th, house of secrets some things are hidden and you may not have the whole picture or all the facts , that will come out when the moon passes into the 1st house. This is a very important karmic period in your life, and although it might sound negative its necessary and will change the current course of your life. Don't be afraid of change or extra responsibility Sana, its for the best I promise. Within 3 months expect further changes as your progressed Moon will be leaving Libra and entering Scorpio.
these are progressed aspects

Sophia Mason Delineation of Progressions

Progressed Moon conjunct Natal Saturn

a very heavy restrictive time when everything seems to be on hold. No matter how much you try to accomplish or how much effort you put forth, success and advancement seem to be hindered every step of the way. You are bewildered when others recieve awards for far less efforts on their parts. Responsibilities appear heavier than normal. Depression and a feeling that you are unloved or uncared for is common. Business does not thrive and you may be required to work longer and harder in order to achieve that extra financial gain.

Progressed Moon conjunct Natal Pluto

Strong desire to be in controll of your environment. The emotions become deeply intense and there is exteme expressions of feeling.Both Moon and pluto are phychic planets. The favorable aspects can bring about experiences with individuals who have previously passed away or the native (you) may have pronounced psychometric gifts. The women that come into your life may be hghly emotional and overly sensitive. If you work with the public there is the ability to sway the masses with a powerful influence through their contact.
Unfavorable aspects (you have no squares or oppositions Sana, just the conjunctions) indicates dictoral influence through the mother or women in general. An inner sence that a female is trying to control you or change something of a personal habit or style of dress. A stubborn adhearence to ones belief can cause upsets in your environment or domestic relationships.
May show a female problem.

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hi..
i just read about progressed moons a few days back in the astrology section and checked up my progressed moon n found it in libra..it dint make sense to me tho i tried a few interpretations.n i was like "when ll i b able to understand this??lol...n well thanks so much...
it is a strange period because my otherwise cool dad (boss)(i work for my dad)has become too strict n i hate work n thats y i m desperately trying for mba.if i get in then i might ve to fight with my dad as he is totally against my mba n try n get an educational loan...phew...trying period alright...
if i get in then my college ll start in 3 months so mayb thats the change!!!atleast i hope so...lol...otherwise its fine...i m willing to go with the flow right now...lets c what karmic lesson i m supposed to learn,i wudnt want to miss out on that...thanks lll...

sana
i hope i m doing well n not flunking..

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hi...
whew lots things happening in my life..

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"If URANUS is transiting your birth chart, things may appear to be coming apart at the seams. You may be increasing your awareness and feeling especially alive, even in the midst of chaos. Events may happen “out of the blue,” resulting in a shock to your established world and the need for quick adjustments to new realities. You may feel restless or rebellious, wanting to throw everything over and start again. You can manage Uranus transits best by expressing your individuality and making changes without “throwing the baby out with the bath water.”

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well...i told my father that i want to do my mba and he raised hell..i was working for him and i told him i am quitting and he did not expect that..things have been rough for me..now all depends upon what happens at my interview...hope i make it..i want to go away..breakfree...pray for me LLL...m so tense...havent been getting any sleep...so how are my planets doing?? seriously wonder how you manage so many students...you are an
have fun...

sana

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posted February 19, 2005 01:52 PM            

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go and give it you're best shot sweetie, you'll do fine. You are in my prayers

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posted February 24, 2005 08:55 PM            

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Dear Sana,

I'm thinking of you Sweetie and sending positive thoughts your way.

While we're at it, I see that we haven't covered your Scorpio Ascendant, so lets do that

(Howard Sasportas)

In the eighth labour of Hercules, the hero has to find and destroy the Hydra, a nine-headed monster who lives in a cave at the bottom of a murky swamp. At first, he tries to kill the beast while it is still in the water, but every time he cuts off a head three more appear in its place. Finally Hercules remembers the advice of his teacher: 'We rise by kneeling, we conquer by surrendering, and we gain by giving up'. He kneels down into the swamp and lifts the Hydra by one of its heads out of the water and into the air. Withdrawn from the water, the Hydra immediately begins to lose its power and wilt. Hercules cuts off all the heads, but a tenth one appears in the form of a precious jewel which he buries under a rock.

This story is closely related to the dynamics of Scorpio on the Ascendant. In one form or other, those with Scorpio rising must confront or grapple with that which is dark, taboo, hidden or destructive. Some will see the beast externally and fight what is dark and evil 'out there'. For others, the Hydra lurks in the depths of their own psyches, symbolizing such destructive emotions as jealousy, envy, greed, excessive lust or power drives.

Hercules succeeded in slaying the Hydra by lifting it out of the swamp and into the air. Similarly, Scorpio rising must bring into the light of consciousness what is dark and hidden inside. If Scorpionic energy is repressed, it seethes underneath, poisoning the psyche and giving rise to a stench which fouls the atmosphere between people. However, if the full force of these emotions are released in an unregenerate manner, their destructive power may be too much to bear.

A third alternative exists. Rather than either repressing the Scorpio side of the nature or acting it out altogether, it is possible to acknowledge the feelings involved and then transform or rechannel them more constructively. Like the jewel which appears when the Hydra is slain, negative complexes can be changed into something precious. Many artists have produced their best works through redirecting passion, anger or rage into a creative outlet.

The snake sheds a skin when growth and pressure from the inside renders the old skin too tight. Volcanic Scorpio rising accumulates internal pressure until an explosion, release and renewal must occur. By choice or coercion, this sign on the Ascendant wipes out and removes old forms and structures so that new ones can be built.

There is a depth to Scorpio rising which compels those who have this placement to burrow their way to the root of an issue in search of underlying meanings and motivations. Nothing is taken at face value. Like Bluebeard's wife, they may open doors which are better left closed. Scorpio rising draws Taurus on the Descendant to itself. Where Scorpio must challenge, attack, destroy and change, Taurus is patient, stable, down-to-earth and persevering. Taurus is equipped to withstand a Scorpio rising's onslaught and then calmly interject 'Don't forget, darling, dinner is at eight'. Those with Scorpio rising need to develop such Taurean qualities in relationship in order to balance the excessess and extremes of their turbulent and stronly felt passions.

The most obvious physical embodiment of Scorpio rising comes in the form of intense and piercing eyes set in a noticeably penetrating brow.

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posted February 26, 2005 12:54 AM              

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hi...
i am back..interview was cool...results expected within a week..glad to b back into the lessons...i am so totally a scorp rising that when ever i have asked people to guess my sunsign its always been scorpio?
followed by aries?sag? never gemini which makes my scorpio asc glad..hehe..i dont want ppl guessing my sunsign accurately...i like to keep them guessing..
n to top that sun 8th house which i guess pronounces things right?? also i find ppl avoiding my eyes when i look at them directly...mayb the intensity..n geminis are supposed to have darting eyes...not me...i can stare n stare deeply..intense feelings though scare the gemini in me...i know bout those dark mysterious places inside me and the internal pressure that feels like i m goin to explode..i burn myself out at times or create a lot of unnecessary stress...
anyways, right now m all positive after days n m gonna break into a song and dance right now ..shalalala...bye...

sana

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hi lll...
results out...m in waitin list n ll ve to wait until the last week of march for the results. its soooooooo frustratin. ....absolutely no idea what i should do in life ..can u look at the chart n tell me what career will suit me please?i m jobless and clueless....down in the dumps...
bye....

sana

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posted April 08, 2005 12:32 AM              

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list is out n i m in....
i m going away to do my mba...so i probably just ve 2 months here...u are a gret teacher LLL...thanks 4 everything...after my mba i ll come back n continue where i left off...
happy birthday dear

sana

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